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Homeless mother forced to sleep in car

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    #452
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    again, what if you cannot find a house in the region of where you work and cannot get access to enough credit?

    what if you do not have the abilities to do renovation works, and must employ professionals to do the work, which may also not be in your abilities to so financially?


    ^^^^


    This is an excellent example of the problem in Ireland, just a list of issues. So instead of trying to find a resolution sit and expect someone else to do it for them


    Maybe work out for yourself would be my answer. If other people can so can you.


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    #453
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,856 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    ^^^^


    This is an excellent example of the problem in Ireland, just a list of issues. So instead of trying to find a resolution sit and expect someone else to do it for them


    Maybe work out for yourself would be my answer. If other people can so can you.

    i.e. 'personal responsibility', yea?


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    #454
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    ^^^^


    This is an excellent example of the problem in Ireland, just a list of issues. So instead of trying to find a resolution sit and expect someone else to do it for them


    Maybe work out for yourself would be my answer. If other people can so can you.

    Surely the resolution is to build more social and affordable housing?


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    #455
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    does anyone one really think she or her husband were ever going to mortgage buy pay for and live in any house of her own buy taking up gainful employment ?


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    #456
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,324 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    No it’s not, council properties are owned by the local councils.





    No they’re not, the State is a sovereignty under which people are regarded as citizens of the State.





    There’s quite a bit there, but seeing as you deign other people to be part of some economically illiterate rabble who imagine they’re “patriots” and “comrades”, your own rabble is strikingly similar in that not only is it a demonstration of economic illiteracy, but also you imagine other people aren’t as “patriotic” or “socially responsible” as you are. You’re a good citizen, other people are bad citizens, no personal responsibility and all about their entitlements, rabble rabble.

    The thing is that the State has certain obligations towards people, that’s everyone btw, not just scaldys with a sob story, but also pull themselves up by their bootstraps, pigeon chested good citizens like yourself, even those with sad lives, to provide for and to protect those people. Successive economically illiterate Irish Governments have been failing miserably in fulfilling their obligations since the founding of the State, and that’s why we now find ourselves in a society where y’know, there are people like you in society, and there are people like the woman mentioned in the opening post - essentially, economically illiterate goons voting for economically illiterate goons who they imagine will give them what they feel they’re entitled to.

    You’re essentially no different than the same people you’re critical of. It’s just you don’t see it due to your own blind spot. Your own being pissed off is nothing more than a humorous sideshow of virtue signalling and not much else. What does it actually do for anyone? It does nothing. It doesn’t affect anyone in any way, it won’t stop the fact that this woman and her family’s needs will be assessed on the same basis and the same criteria as all other applicants for whatever she is entitled to. It doesn’t mean that she isn’t entitled to point out to the council that while she doesn’t want to live on top of her family in the one overcrowded household, she doesn’t want to live fifty miles from them either.

    Is she really being unreasonable? I don’t think so. I don’t imagine she’s any different from a lot of people who prefer to be close to their families. Is it unreasonable to expect that she and her children should continue to live in their car? Obviously not, and the Gardaí were understanding of her circumstances in enforcing the law and trying to find her and her family more suitable accommodation. It’s not ideal, but they should be congratulated for their efforts. They’re not family services nor are the the council, nor are they the State, but this woman has just as much right as you do to protest that the State has failed her and her family.


    The state has failed her?!


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    #457
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,856 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    does anyone one really think she or her husband were ever going to mortgage buy pay for and live in any house of her own buy taking up gainful employment ?

    what levels of employment would they be more than likely to get?


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    #458
    Vizzy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Vizzy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Surely the resolution is to build more social and affordable housing?

    Yep, and in this case Ms Joyce seems to only want a house in Nenagh.

    If she is willing to sleep in her car for 2 years she can be considered for some.

    In the meantime she could take a bit of personal responsibility and pay the money she owes to Clare County Council take a house that she is offered.


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    #459
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,856 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Vizzy wrote: »
    Yep, and in this case Ms Joyce seems to only want a house in Nenagh.

    If she is willing to sleep in her car for 2 years she can be considered for some.

    In the meantime she could take a bit of personal responsibility and pay the money she owes to Clare County Council take a house that she is offered.

    common default 'excuse' for the failure of free market economics


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    #460
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Surely the resolution is to build more social and affordable housing?


    A house in the Dublin area for 200k, is that not affordable?

    The women this discussion is about turned down a house. So you could build 1 million houses but you will still have people who wont move into them because they are not in the exact position they want....

    Also if she paid her rent in the first place then the county council would have money to build more houses. Do you not think so?


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    #461
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    what levels of employment would they be more than likely to get?

    the same as any one who has had benefits every one else has .

    Live study work achieve live some more


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    #462
    Vizzy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Vizzy


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    common default 'excuse' for the failure of free market economics

    Market economics don't apply to this woman.

    She was a tenant of Clare Co Co and would be assessed on a differential rent (i.e. the more you have the more rent you pay) and I would estimate that this would have been 17-20% of her income.
    She didn't pay.

    Then she decided that she would protest her "homeless" situation.
    Was offered a house and didn't take it.

    Don't forget, if she is given a house, then somebody else is deprived one.

    BTW, do you think that it is acceptable for her to place her children in a situation where they are "supposedly" sleeping in a car, while there is a perfectly good house available to her ?


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    #463
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,856 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    the same as any one who has had benefits every one else has .

    Live study work achieve live some more

    we dont all have the same abilities or opportunities in life, if they re on welfare long term, our educational system more than likely failed for them in the earlier stages, she may not be successful or able to complete third level


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    #464
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    we dont all have the same abilities or opportunities in life, if they re on welfare long term, our educational system more than likely failed for them in the earlier stages, she may not be successful or able to complete third level

    with the supports safety nets build into the social welfare system its a lot more likely that she failed the system rather than the other way around ,


    and we get to pay for her poor choices and failures.

    why is western Europe the only area of the world that supports these parasites .

    asia south America Africa even eastern Europe she would get at most the basic and left to better herself if she wanted to do that ,


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    #465
    collywobble7
    Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭collywobble7


    Wanderer78 wrote:
    common default 'excuse' for the failure of free market economics


    Don't feed it


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    #466
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    collywobble7 wrote: »
    Don't feed it

    logic is a hungry creature


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    #467
    kildare lad
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    Vizzy wrote: »
    Market economics don't apply to this woman.

    She was a tenant of Clare Co Co and would be assessed on a differential rent (i.e. the more you have the more rent you pay) and I would estimate that this would have been 17-20% of her income.
    She didn't pay.

    Then she decided that she would protest her "homeless" situation.
    Was offered a house and didn't take it.

    Don't forget, if she is given a house, then somebody else is deprived one.

    BTW, do you think that it is acceptable for her to place her children in a situation where they are "supposedly" sleeping in a car, while there is a perfectly good house available to her ?

    There's nothing like using your kids as a bargaining chip or sympathy to get a house , she's as bad as them Rona gypsies you see begging in town with their children


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    #468
    I Am Nobody
    Closed Accounts Posts: 726 ✭✭✭I Am Nobody


    kildare lad wrote: »
    There's nothing like using your kids as a bargaining chip or sympathy to get a house , she's as bad as them Rona gypsies you see begging in town with their children

    And that is the thing about it.They cave into those who are making the most fuss in the media.Instead of telling them look this is what we have.Take it or feck off.


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    #469
    collywobble7
    Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭collywobble7


    mynamejeff wrote:
    logic is a hungry creature


    Free market economics make people lazy feckless irresponsible cretins. Yep.


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    #470
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    collywobble7 wrote: »
    Free market economics make people lazy feckless irresponsible cretins. Yep.

    and culture , you forgot to mention culture


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    #471
    Vizzy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Vizzy


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    and culture , you forgot to mention culture

    and breeding


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    #472
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    I Am Nobody wrote: »
    And that is the thing about it.They cave into those who are making the most fuss in the media.Instead of telling them look this is what we have.Take it or feck off.

    There's plenty out there like that though , got me 4eva home 4 me n da kiddies , look at Margaret cash , heaps of kids , kids da in jail , refused 3 houses and then starts all that crap about being homeless sleeping in a Garda station. What ever happened to going to school , getting a job and keeping your legs closed till you found a decent man instead of getting stuffed by the local clown . As usual hardworking people have to pick up the tab for these layabouts. Then you've people in the Irish times thinking this women are some sort of martyrs...


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    #473
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Brian Hartman wrote: »
    She can just have the 5 bedroom house her fellow travellers turned down for not having a stable.

    Tbf that seems a reasonable compromise and alot nearer to nenagh than cashell


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    #474
    joseywhales
    Registered Users Posts: 4,011 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    kildare lad wrote: »
    There's plenty out there like that though , got me 4eva home 4 me n da kiddies , look at Margaret cash , heaps of kids , kids da in jail , refused 3 houses and then starts all that crap about being homeless sleeping in a Garda station. What ever happened to going to school , getting a job and keeping your legs closed till you found a decent man instead of getting stuffed by the local clown . As usual hardworking people have to pick up the tab for these layabouts. Then you've people in the Irish times thinking this women are some sort of martyrs...
    I was with you until you started pontificating on the sexual activities of other people


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    #475
    joseywhales
    Registered Users Posts: 4,011 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Brian Hartman wrote: »
    He ain't wrong. Keeps you legs shut if you can't afford children. Simple.

    We live in a society of individual liberty, it's never fair to dictate how one should live their lives. If they can't afford the kids, they should be responsible for the consequences, including losing their kids.


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    #476
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,238 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    theres 427 properties on daft between 50k-125k and atlas 2 bedrooms. Those are all affordable to a single buyer on 30k.
    If every single buyer on 30k suddenly started bidding on those houses they wouldn't stay at 50k-125k for long, though.


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    #477
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    endacl wrote: »
    If every single buyer on 30k suddenly started bidding on those houses they wouldn't stay at 50k-125k for long, though.

    A huge majority seem to think sitting at home doing nothing will suddenly magic up a house so I doubt anyone will bid on those houses


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    #478
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    joseywhales wrote: »
    We live in a society of individual liberty, it's never fair to dictate how one should live their lives. If they can't afford the kids, they should be responsible for the consequences, including losing their kids.

    Having more kids is seen as a pay cheque for some of these people. Shut down the children allowance and see if they can or can’t close their legs when they don’t have a pay cheque at the end of it


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    #479
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    joseywhales wrote: »
    I was with you until you started pontificating on the sexual activities of other people
    She doesnt have to keep her legs closed. Its free entertainment for her and her partner but maybe a few lessons on contraception wouldnt go amiss


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    #480
    StackSteevens
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    Edgware wrote: »
    She doesnt have to keep her legs closed. Its free entertainment for her and her partner but maybe a few lessons on contraception wouldnt go amiss

    Or indeed, some research into alternatives to using the front door. Although perhaps that's culturally inappropriate.


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    #481
    [Deleted User]
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    StackSteevens wrote: »
    Or indeed, some research into alternatives to using the front door. Although perhaps that's culturally inappropriate.

    Ooooohhhhh, Matron!


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