Homeless mother forced to sleep in car

Wanderer78 · 10-07-2020 2:06pm

JimmyVik wrote: »

There have always been people who cannot buy a house.

The only time anybody at all could buy a house was 2000s. And we know where that lead to.
If you earn low figure relative to those bidding against you, you are going to be outbid.
So do you think we should just give everyone a house who wants one?
Then what about the people who want to buy one?

we re currently experiencing a catastrophic failure of free market economics globally, its time to accept this, and try do something about it. the great moderation hasnt worked out too well, particular for younger generations, inflating asset prices and maintaining low wage inflation has failed. agree with the outbidding, largely due to the availability of credit to those higher earners. very few receive free houses, the words your looking for is 'heavily subsidized', because we dont live in a world of equal opportunities, and we dont all have the same abilities

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! · 10-07-2020 2:07pm

Children's allowance should only be paid for the first two births. Notice I said births rather than children as this will cover people who have twins, triplets etc through no fault of their own.

Lone parents' allowance should be abolished and replaced with a widowed parents' allowance.

ALL benefits should be capped at minimum wage X 40 hours per week.

You should have to engage with community services to get your money unless you're genuinely disabled.

Free housing should be in a high rise apartment block with zero tolerance frequent Garda patrols.

mick087 · 10-07-2020 2:14pm

Finty Lemon wrote: »

The solicitor can do the cleaning job and do the solicitor job
The cleaner can do the cleaning job but not the solicitor job.
If there were 20,000 solicitors in the country would the pay rate would fall?

Soikictors can and have done cleaning Jobs as cleaners have also done solicitors jobs. My point is not who does what job but equity in pay and working conditions.

Why would
Yes the pay rate may fall for some and go up for others.

10-07-2020 2:15pm

JimmyVik wrote: »

Any good deal on houses in Letrim?
Id buy one.

3 bed semi, large front and back gardens, full view of the mountains Needs a new burner for the boiler, garden needs a good tidy, could do with an update decoration wise but clean the carpets and get a cooker, fridge, etc and you could move in. Solid house structurally.

Started off at 65k think offers currently at 85k. You’d have a new kitchen, tiles, and work around the house done for about 15k.

mick087 · 10-07-2020 2:20pm

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

On the premise of this post alone, it is clear that there is no rational debate to be had with you.

There is a complete failure to understand the fundamentals of socio-economics among a raft of other things.

In your world, the State would build 7 million 3 bed houses and issue one to each family. It doesnt matter if you earn €0 per year or €10,000,000 a year, everyone gets an Ikea style flat pack, bog standard living domicile.

You might be a nice guy but your beliefs are infantile, your arguments are weak and your ideals are ridiculous.

Best of luck.

equity frightens people to the core.
I admit it seems like a pipe dream today but how does change
equity come about.

mick087 · 10-07-2020 2:22pm

rdwight wrote: »

There are two main ways in which council houses become unavailable for allocation by councils:

(1) they are allocated to a family that consider it a forever home for themselves and possibly next generation and will remain in the house regardless of changes in circumstances/income

(2) the property is sold to a tenant

At least in the second case the council gets money that can be used to build/acquire further housing

Yes i know how it works but i just dont believe in council homes being sold.

colm_mcm · 10-07-2020 2:25pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

we re currently experiencing a catastrophic failure of free market economics globally, its time to accept this, and try do something about it. the great moderation hasnt worked out too well, particular for younger generations, inflating asset prices and maintaining low wage inflation has failed. agree with the outbidding, largely due to the availability of credit to those higher earners. very few receive free houses, the words your looking for is 'heavily subsidized', because we dont live in a world of equal opportunities, and we dont all have the same abilities

Heavily subsidised with the remainder payable from free money received weekly = free.

mick087 · 10-07-2020 2:27pm

JimmyVik wrote: »

Speaking as someone who worked as a cleaner for years and then as a barman and then as a builders laborer for years before repeating my leaving cert to get the points to go to University and then train for years after that in my chosen career which is well paid.....

What planet were you on when you wrote that?

A planet where one day all workers earn a decent living wage where they are treated with with respect and dignity.

Did University teach you otherwise?

Graham · 10-07-2020 2:27pm

mick087 wrote: »

equity frightens people to the core.
I admit it seems like a pipe dream today but how does change
equity come about.

Study hard, work hard, focus on your career and you too could have exactly the same as someone who has done nothing.

Is that equity?

whippet · 10-07-2020 2:31pm

mick087 wrote: »

Soikictors can and have done cleaning Jobs as cleaners have also done solicitors jobs. My point is not who does what job but equity in pay and working conditions.

Why would
Yes the pay rate may fall for some and go up for others.

in this utopia of yours - no one would then want to do any work that bore any responsibility / risk / additional skills. We'd all be happy to run a vacum cleaner over a carpet for a few hours each day if we got the same wage as the surgeon who's skills honed over decades ensures that the brain surgery they are performing does not lead to someones death.

If there was no benefit to bettering oneself or avenue to use knowledge, skills and experience to better your own lot no one would bother.

Your theory and ultra socialist views are so out of kilter with reality and history has proven that it can't work.

Its admirable to have an belief that all jobs should be equal - it's just not reality

JimmyVik · 10-07-2020 2:32pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

we re currently experiencing a catastrophic failure of free market economics globally, its time to accept this, and try do something about it. the great moderation hasnt worked out too well, particular for younger generations, inflating asset prices and maintaining low wage inflation has failed. agree with the outbidding, largely due to the availability of credit to those higher earners. very few receive free houses, the words your looking for is 'heavily subsidized', because we dont live in a world of equal opportunities, and we dont all have the same abilities

I certainly dont have the ability to get a nice fancy new house for €50 a week right where id like one. Even if I slept in my car I wouldnt get one.

JimmyVik · 10-07-2020 2:34pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

3 bed semi, large front and back gardens, full view of the mountains Needs a new burner for the boiler, garden needs a good tidy, could do with an update decoration wise but clean the carpets and get a cooker, fridge, etc and you could move in. Solid house structurally.

Started off at 65k think offers currently at 85k. You’d have a new kitchen, tiles, and work around the house done for about 15k.

Im in

mick087 · 10-07-2020 2:38pm

Graham wrote: »

Study hard, work hard, focus on your career and you too could have exactly the same as someone who has done nothing.

Is that equity?

I have to leave this as its gone totally off topic and not fair on the opener.

mick087 · 10-07-2020 2:39pm

whippet wrote: »

in this utopia of yours - no one would then want to do any work that bore any responsibility / risk / additional skills. We'd all be happy to run a vacum cleaner over a carpet for a few hours each day if we got the same wage as the surgeon who's skills honed over decades ensures that the brain surgery they are performing does not lead to someones death.

If there was no benefit to bettering oneself or avenue to use knowledge, skills and experience to better your own lot no one would bother.

Your theory and ultra socialist views are so out of kilter with reality and history has proven that it can't work.

Its admirable to have an belief that all jobs should be equal - it's just not reality

I have to leave this as its gone totally off topic and not fair on the opener.

Graham · 10-07-2020 2:39pm

It was a tough question

whippet · 10-07-2020 2:46pm

mick087 wrote: »

I have to leave this as its gone totally off topic and not fair on the opener.

says it all really

mick087 · 10-07-2020 2:50pm

Graham wrote: »

It was a tough question

:pac:

katiek102010 · 10-07-2020 2:56pm

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

What a poorly researched article. She's still happily married.

She definitely is happily married. Her husband l has a chronic disability called invisibility.

It occurs whenever it suits them

katiek102010 · 10-07-2020 3:00pm

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

She's from a relatively small town, put it that way.

Didn't they get booted from the accommodation in UK too over anti social behaviour and rent arrears

Shefwedfan · 10-07-2020 3:14pm

mick087 wrote: »

I have to leave this as its gone totally off topic and not fair on the opener.

In other words, you know your wrong so run before admitting it

Eric Cartman · 10-07-2020 3:27pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

my original question was, can a person buy a house, by the looks of things, no they cant

they can, just not in Dublin, 1/26 counties lock out single buyers and low income earners. but in 25/26 counties its true that anyone working a reasonable job can afford a home.

katiek102010 · 10-07-2020 3:30pm

Overheal wrote: »

Cashelians must take great offense to the snub tbf

We are bloody delighted

Wanderer78 · 10-07-2020 3:36pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

they can, just not in Dublin, 1/26 counties lock out single buyers and low income earners. but in 25/26 counties its true that anyone working a reasonable job can afford a home.

but according to many on this thread, many people cannot buy a home, do all these many move to this one county?

Eric Cartman · 10-07-2020 3:56pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

but according to many on this thread, many people cannot buy a home, do all these many move to this one county?

no, according to you, only thinking of Dublin. Many on boards are from Dublin but when I hear people talk about homes being unaffordable what they usually mean is homes are unaffordable in Dublin or areas of Dublin they want to live.

Find me somebody giving out about the price of a home in leitrim or mayo or rural limerick ?

the other issue is people thinking home = 3 bed semi. A single buyer being able to buy a 2 bed apartment is a perfectly functional market, family homes are bought by families which now for the most part have dual incomes.

Signore Fancy Pants · 10-07-2020 4:07pm

Ok

1. She has a husband in the U.K, obviously earning living.
2. She has parents who own/rent a house.
3. She has a sister who owns/rents a house.
4. She temporarily lives in a car.
5. She owes rent on a previous council house.
6. She has been offered suitable accommodation.
7. She has refused suitable accommodation.
8. Her parents and sister refuse to house her or her kids.

What else am I missing??

Its an awful situation, she should have ripped the councils arm off after being offered that accommodation.

There must be nobody else on the list for her to have been offered one so fast.

She could commute like the rest of us.

Why would you deny you kids a house? They should be taken off her.

ToTheSea · 10-07-2020 4:20pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh come on now.

If she is claiming One Parent Family Payment and child benefit, she has income of over €2300 free and clear tax free from social welfare every month.
.

Just catching up with the thread.
If that is what she is actually getting from the state, then that is disgraceful.
Like why would anyone in this country want to work?

€2300 is on par with my wages and I had to complete an undergraduate degree followed a masters in order to give me the qualifications in order to obtain a job that offered that kind of salary.

Child benefit needs to be capped at 2 children, that will stop people seeing having more kids as a way to get free money from the state.
IMHO If you turn down any house offered, even if it's located on the opposite side of the country you get thrown off the list.

I remember reading another sob story where a woman was complaining about being on the housing list for 12 years, in that time she managed to have like 5 kids. Like where the hell is personal responsibility? you have no home but keep popping out the kids?.

I'm also aware of a family in my locality where there are 8 kids and neither parent work. Apparently the father has said he doesn't work because he wants to be there for ' his kids' and not miss the 'important parts of his kids growing up'. He has zero concept of the fact that other fathers and mothers for that matter in this country are missed out on being able to experience those parts of their kid's lives because they are out working and paying taxes in order to fund him getting to stay at home with his kids :mad::mad::mad:.

Wanderer78 · 10-07-2020 4:26pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

no, according to you, only thinking of Dublin. Many on boards are from Dublin but when I hear people talk about homes being unaffordable what they usually mean is homes are unaffordable in Dublin or areas of Dublin they want to live.

Find me somebody giving out about the price of a home in leitrim or mayo or rural limerick ?

the other issue is people thinking home = 3 bed semi. A single buyer being able to buy a 2 bed apartment is a perfectly functional market, family homes are bought by families which now for the most part have dual incomes.

i didnt mention anything about dublin, since im not from there, what if you re not from the areas you ve mentioned?

but what if you wanted to buy a home, in the hope of starting a family?

whats a perfectly function market, and can you give an example of one?

jmayo · 10-07-2020 4:45pm

It never ceases to amaze me how some people will back up the biggest fooking chancers out there.

You have the usual cohort of posters, and indeed ones in the media/social media, who will buy into this shyte lecturing us how awful this country is for not providing a house for this specimen exactly when and where she wants it.

Most normal people can see through the shyte, they can see the born and bred chancer that has probably contributed nothing in her life bar adding to the live register and the births register.

Either some people like pi**ing on the rest of us (and maybe even themselves to satisify their need to feel good), or they are chancers at the exact same thing themselves, or they are frankly complete morons.

Shefwedfan · 10-07-2020 5:31pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i didnt mention anything about dublin, since im not from there, what if you re not from the areas you ve mentioned?

but what if you wanted to buy a home, in the hope of starting a family?

whats a perfectly function market, and can you give an example of one?

Whats to stop you buying a house? if I can find a house for 200k in the Dublin area then anyone with a job will find a house a lot cheaper anywhere else in Ireland.

I am a member of a group on facebook about renovations, people buying house for very very cheap and then doing up and putting their own stamp on it. Most end up without a mortgage as they renovate over a period of time.

Loads of options available.

Wanderer78 · 10-07-2020 5:34pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Whats to stop you buying a house? if I can find a house for 200k in the Dublin area then anyone with a job will find a house a lot cheaper anywhere else in Ireland.

I am a member of a group on facebook about renovations, people buying house for very very cheap and then doing up and putting their own stamp on it. Most end up without a mortgage as they renovate over a period of time.

Loads of options available.

again, what if you cannot find a house in the region of where you work and cannot get access to enough credit?

what if you do not have the abilities to do renovation works, and must employ professionals to do the work, which may also not be in your abilities to so financially?

Homeless mother forced to sleep in car

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