Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

flazio · 04-11-2019 1:13pm

For me, it just sounds wrong coming out of David Crofts mouth. I do like the phrase when it's said by Ben Edwards though.

Cork Trucker · 04-11-2019 1:18pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I’m aware of that expression but it never sticks out in my memory of the Coverage.

What about it winds people up so much?

Probably just the way David Croft commentates, can’t wait until sky finally dump him. As mentioned, Ben Edwards is better. You’ll never better Murray Walker. Having heard him commentate with James Hunt, Jonathan Palmer & Martin Brundle only Palmer was crap, Jonathan Legard being the other.Croft should have been left at the BBC in 2012.

eviltimeban · 04-11-2019 1:22pm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Probably just the way David Croft commentates, can’t wait until sky finally dump him. As mentioned, Ben Edwards is better. You’ll never better Murray Walker. Having heard him commentate with James Hunt, Jonathan Palmer & Martin Brundle only Palmer was crap, Jonathan Legard being the other.Croft should have been left at the BBC in 2012.

Are there plans to dump him?

uchimata83 · 04-11-2019 1:29pm

Croft is fine as a play by play guy, the problem is that he goes off on ridiculous tangents every race. Does the viewer really need to know that he and Johnny Herbert went on a road trip around texas?

Ted Kravitz is another tulip

Cork Trucker · 04-11-2019 1:34pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

Are there plans to dump him?

There was speculation they were going to prior to the start of this season, as well as Ted.

Cork Trucker · 04-11-2019 1:35pm

uchimata83 wrote: »

Croft is fine as a play by play guy, the problem is that he goes off on ridiculous tangents every race. Does the viewer really need to know that he and Johnny Herbert went on a road trip around texas?

Ted Kravitz is another tulip

I'd take Kravitz over Herbert though. Sky need a shake up, Lazenby is another that needs to go

El_Duderino 09 · 04-11-2019 1:35pm

uchimata83 wrote: »

Croft is fine as a play by play guy, the problem is that he goes off on ridiculous tangents every race. Does the viewer really need to know that he and Johnny Herbert went on a road trip around texas?

Ted Kravitz is another tulip

Some people love ted an i really don’t get it.

I ignore all the buildup except the quali review. I do t have sky so i only see sky when I watch with the lads in one of their houses. Otherwise I just see C4 highlights and fast forward the buildup.

Cork Trucker · 04-11-2019 1:41pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Some people love ted an i really don’t get it.

I ignore all the buildup except the quali review. I do t have sky so i only see sky when I watch with the lads in one of their houses. Otherwise I just see C4 highlights and fast forward the buildup.

Ted was apparently sacked before the start of the season before a fan frenzy o twitter was set up under the hashtag Where's Ted, can we do similar to get Georgie Thompson back?

Joeface · 04-11-2019 1:48pm

I have found it best since been forced to watch on SKY to limit what I watch to , FP1-FP3 mainly on Youtube F1 channel and the POST race here as well , Just Quailfing on Sky , and Just the Race ( arrive at 10past for the formation lap)

Croft is just tryin to fill the Void of nothing happening but he is not good at it , Wrong names , wrong overtake information, and still that "The DRS IS OPEN and he's gaining and still gaining but just not close enough this time " ...yes we know we could see from both the timing screen and the coverage he was never going to make it .

going to add in the Brundle no longer corrects him , I did find it funny listing to Paul Di when he was covering Brundle cause he was correcting Croft the whole race for names and order

elperello · 04-11-2019 2:05pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

Are there plans to dump him?

I'm sort of hoping they keep him at this stage.
I'd be worried that they might poach Ben Edwards from C4 as a replacement.

Cork Trucker · 04-11-2019 2:12pm

Joeface wrote: »

I have found it best since been forced to watch on SKY to limit what I watch to , FP1-FP3 mainly on Youtube F1 channel and the POST race here as well , Just Quailfing on Sky , and Just the Race ( arrive at 10past for the formation lap)

Croft is just tryin to fill the Void of nothing happening but he is not good at it , Wrong names , wrong overtake information, and still that "The DRS IS OPEN and he's gaining and still gaining but just not close enough this time " ...yes we know we could see from both the timing screen and the coverage he was never going to make it .

going to add in the Brundle no longer corrects him , I did find it funny listing to Paul Di when he was covering Brundle cause he was correcting Croft the whole race for names and order

He's belting out 'wheel to wheel' alot these days as well.

Joeface · 04-11-2019 2:17pm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

He's belting out 'wheel to wheel' alot these days as well.

yeah he is but he is lying to himself , he saw it like twice this year and still believes it's happening all the time.

I don't know what Sky are seeing that we aren't . maybe there is no one better.
maybe he is cheap and cheerfull . Race day ticket and a bed in a b&b or a cot in comentary box

I don't know even know why people asking him questions at his @crofty on twitter ....He is more than likely going to be wrong .

chicorytip · 04-11-2019 2:57pm

Chandook is the only weak link in the Sky presentation. He was recruited, apparently, to add technical detail and analysis but never has anything insightful or original to say. Kravitz is much better in that respect even if his mannerisms can be irritating.

d8491prj5boyvg · 04-11-2019 3:10pm

Not a fan of Croft or Chandook. Both have this pally attitude that is clearly hammed up for the cameras. I like Ted, he adds value and isn't too cringeworthy.

elperello · 04-11-2019 3:20pm

chicorytip wrote: »

Chandook is the only weak link in the Sky presentation. He was recruited, apparently, to add technical detail and analysis but never has anything insightful or original to say. Kravitz is much better in that respect even if his mannerisms can be irritating.

I think KC is wasted on the Sky crowd.
He fitted in better on C4.
He is the anoraks anorak and I respect that.

vectra · 04-11-2019 3:26pm

weisses wrote: »

sorry i was wrong ..... it was 52 seconds behind the winner

No it all makes sense ... Ferrari was all of a sudden testing a new setup experiment ...

everyone in the paddock kinda knows what happened if you read through the various comments ..... The directive put out made it clear RB and Merc knew what ferrari was up to ..And now that major performance gain loophole is illegal ..And as a result Ferrari,s straight line dominance is gone .... I say again, make of it what you will

ok 52 seconds, but that includes the time lost in his pit stop.

How does it make sense?
Old engine ??

Everyone in the paddock can "speculate" what they think is going on.

Again. Show me evidence of them cheating?

I am not saying they did not bend the rules, but "Innocent until proven guilty" comes to mind.

quokula · 04-11-2019 3:44pm

vectra wrote: »

ok 52 seconds, but that includes the time lost in his pit stop.

How does it make sense?
Old engine ??

Everyone in the paddock can "speculate" what they think is going on.

Again. Show me evidence of them cheating?

I am not saying they did not bend the rules, but "Innocent until proven guilty" comes to mind.

He was also instructed to stay off the kerbs because of the suspension issue, sacrificing the ideal line. And Vettel was the faster Ferrari driver this weekend, he had the pace to qualify on the front row and who knows if he'd have been fighting for the lead if his suspension wasn't damaged from the start.

Jordan 199 · 04-11-2019 3:48pm

McLaren and Petrobras have parted ways with immediate effect.

El_Duderino 09 · 04-11-2019 4:06pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

McLaren and Petrobras have parted ways with immediate effect.

That’s why Rich Energy were pretending mclaren wanted their sponsorship. Presumably mclaren is on the lookout for a sponsor - but not Rich Energy.

Cork Trucker · 04-11-2019 4:16pm

Giovinazzi retained for 2020 by Alfa Romeo

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.giovinazzi-retained-by-alfa-romeo-for-2020.68W98hjaTHS4QX7SW3HUDX.html

Jordan 199 · 04-11-2019 4:20pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That’s why Rich Energy were pretending mclaren wanted their sponsorship. Presumably mclaren is on the lookout for a sponsor - but not Rich Energy.

I would like the ELF brand to return to F1. There has been no French fuel brand in F1 for a while so I would like to see them back.

Cork Trucker · 04-11-2019 4:26pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I would like the ELF brand to return to F1. There has been no French fuel brand in F1 for a while so I would like to see them back.

Were Total French? Jordan had them during the Peugeot years didn’t they?

Cork Trucker · 04-11-2019 4:35pm

OSI wrote: »

Elf is part of Total

Never knew

Jordan 199 · 04-11-2019 4:35pm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Were Total French? Jordan had them during the Peugeot years didn’t they?

Yes, Total are French. Jordan used Total from 1995-1997. Jordan were known as Total Jordan Peugeot in 1995.

El_Duderino 09 · 04-11-2019 4:47pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I would like the ELF brand to return to F1. There has been no French fuel brand in F1 for a while so I would like to see them back.

Isn't it interesting that as fans, we develop a preference for brands in F1? Maybe it's no more interesting than saying that advertising works. I remembers someone saying they liked cigarette advertising (think it was Camel) and wished F1 would lift the ban on cigarette branding.

Cork Trucker · 04-11-2019 5:10pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Isn't it interesting that as fans, we develop a preference for brands in F1? Maybe it's no more interesting than saying that advertising works. I remembers someone saying they liked cigarette advertising (think it was Camel) and wished F1 would lift the ban on cigarette branding.

Rothmans Williams Renault Livery was the best

eviltimeban · 04-11-2019 5:52pm

Do fuel brands have much future in today's hybrid era?

El_Duderino 09 · 04-11-2019 6:14pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

Do fuel brands have much future in today's hybrid era?

If energy drinks, insurance companies, banks and Hershey's sweets choose to advertise then I don't see why fuel companies wouldn't do so.

skipper_G · 04-11-2019 7:18pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

Do fuel brands have much future in today's hybrid era?

Of course they do, Hybrid engines still use fuel, they still need oil

ctrl-alt-delete · 04-11-2019 9:04pm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

In relation to Sky F1, does anyone mute the race start? Sick to death of “it’s lights out and away we go” at every single race.

Nearly as annoying as " and it's live" at the football

Cork Trucker · 04-11-2019 9:31pm

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Nearly as annoying as " and it's live" at the football

That's equally annoying

Infoanon · 04-11-2019 9:48pm

Infoanon wrote: »

Latest update is Autosport is to continue in print form but the price is to immediately increase to £10.99 (!) , the result they say of having to change distribution as a result of selling F1 racing.

As an aside 1) Many of the F1 racing articles appear on the Autosport website and 2) A number of key staff have left Autosport

Autosport will be back to £3.99 per week from this week - there must have been some contract option that could trigger up to October 31st behind the price increase madness? ?

AMKC · 05-11-2019 12:31am

This is it wrote: »

It amazes me that you come on to a formula 1 forum and general thread right before watching the highlights of a race that you don't want to know the results of, only to tell people not to tell you the results, almost like you're hoping someone will so you can be outraged, again.

Not at all. I just thought it would have been nice to see if anyone else was watching the highlights like me. I already had an incline that Hamilton had become a 6 time WDC unfortunately thanks to the BBC.

Infoanon wrote: »

Autosport will be back to £3.99 per week from this week - there must have been some contract option that could trigger up to October 31st behind the price increase madness? ?

I wonder how many they have sold at the current €16 price. I will have a guess and say 0 because you would want to be utterly mad or have more money than sense to pay that much for a monthly magazine never mind a weekly one. It probaly hurt them more than leaving it at the price it was or even just raise the price bu a euro maybe but not by the crazy amount the raised it by. That was over a 152% price increase.

Charlie-Bravo · 05-11-2019 10:44am

If I am ever watching the highlights, I avoid looking at any forums, turn off the radio in the car, don't even peek at phone notifications just in case Google thinks i need to know the race result! It's hard to avoid...but I definitely wouldn't be looking on this thread to see if others are watching highlights too!! Nothing worse knowing the result in advance of viewing the race.

This is it · 05-11-2019 12:39pm

astrofluff wrote: »

If I am ever watching the highlights, I avoid looking at any forums, turn off the radio in the car, don't even peek at phone notifications just in case Google thinks i need to know the race result! It's hard to avoid...but I definitely wouldn't be looking on this thread to see if others are watching highlights too!! Nothing worse knowing the result in advance of viewing the race.

Yep, what you do makes sense!

eviltimeban · 05-11-2019 1:27pm

astrofluff wrote: »

If I am ever watching the highlights, I avoid looking at any forums, turn off the radio in the car, don't even peek at phone notifications just in case Google thinks i need to know the race result! It's hard to avoid...but I definitely wouldn't be looking on this thread to see if others are watching highlights too!! Nothing worse knowing the result in advance of viewing the race.

I went to watch the highlights of Mexico that evening, which I had recorded on Sky F1. Started the programme at 0 minutes, and there's a shot and caption of "2019 Mexican Grand Prix Winner Lewis Hamilton" from the previous show, that was still running. Thanks Sky.

El_Duderino 09 · 05-11-2019 1:43pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

I went to watch the highlights of Mexico that evening, which I had recorded on Sky F1. Started the programme at 0 minutes, and there's a shot and caption of "2019 Mexican Grand Prix Winner Lewis Hamilton" from the previous show, that was still running. Thanks Sky.

Similar to that, we were watching Quali on replay (quali was at 1 and shown again at 4) and an ad came on for the race the next day with the starting order for the top 3.

AMKC · 05-11-2019 8:55pm

astrofluff wrote: »

If I am ever watching the highlights, I avoid looking at any forums, turn off the radio in the car, don't even peek at phone notifications just in case Google thinks i need to know the race result! It's hard to avoid...but I definitely wouldn't be looking on this thread to see if others are watching highlights too!! Nothing worse knowing the result in advance of viewing the race.

Agreed.

eviltimeban wrote: »

I went to watch the highlights of Mexico that evening, which I had recorded on Sky F1. Started the programme at 0 minutes, and there's a shot and caption of "2019 Mexican Grand Prix Winner Lewis Hamilton" from the previous show, that was still running. Thanks Sky.

I watched the highlights on Sky a couple of times but the Channel 4 highlights is much better and the show more too. Sky cut it down the absolute bare minimum and still put 3 add breaks in it too.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Similar to that, we were watching Quali on replay (quali was at 1 and shown again at 4) and an ad came on for the race the next day with the starting order for the top 3.

Its crap when that happens means you can not really enjoy Q3 of qualifying because you know the main results anyway.

Inviere · 09-11-2019 12:23pm

McLaren have done some job since last season

Williams :rolleyes:

skipper_G · 09-11-2019 3:07pm

2.5 seconds quicker! That's a phenomenal level of improvement from McLaren.

Jordan 199 · 12-11-2019 12:24pm

Albon to stay at Red Bull for 2020.

El_Duderino 09 · 12-11-2019 12:38pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Albon to stay at Red Bull for 2020.

Delighted for him. Well deserved. Hope he can kick on and become a top driver and competitor for years to come.

pjohnson · 12-11-2019 12:41pm

Gasly staying at Toro Rosso aswell.

All thats left is for Williams to announce Latifi.

El_Duderino 09 · 12-11-2019 12:46pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Gasly staying at Toro Rosso aswell.

All thats left is for Williams to announce Latifi.

Is he the one without the points for a Superlicence?

pjohnson · 12-11-2019 1:27pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Is he the one without the points for a Superlicence?

I think he finally has the points from F2 this year he just needs the mileage which is why he is running 5 of the last 6 FP1's this year.

El_Duderino 09 · 12-11-2019 1:31pm

pjohnson wrote: »

I think he finally has the points from F2 this year he just needs the mileage which is why he is running 5 of the last 6 FP1's this year.

I wonder who's car is he getting to do that? Or will they share it out.

Cork Trucker · 12-11-2019 1:38pm

Hulkenberg officially off the grid at the end of the season, he said he won’t be returning as well if it happened. Leaves F1 with a record no one wants and will take some beating, most races without a podium finish. Brazil 2012 & Germany 2019 the closest he’d ever get to achieving it

patmahe · 12-11-2019 1:39pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Delighted for him. Well deserved. Hope he can kick on and become a top driver and competitor for years to come.

Same here, he's surprised me by going quietly about his business but always being there or thereabouts at race end. Outscoring Max (who makes a lot more noise and seems a much more volatile character) is no small feat, good luck to him in 2020. Glad Gasly is getting a second bite at the cherry at Torro Rosso too.

El_Duderino 09 · 12-11-2019 1:39pm

OSI wrote: »

Kubica's apparently.

I have to say I think that's the right choice. I wondered if they'd be explicit and just do it. I think Williams comes across as too soft sometimes and It's no harm to see them pull the trigger and take the time from the slower driver - who won't be there next year.

El_Duderino 09 · 12-11-2019 1:42pm

patmahe wrote: »

Same here, he's surprised me by going quietly about his business but always being there or thereabouts at race end. Outscoring Max (who makes a lot more noise and seems a much more volatile character) is no small feat, good luck to him in 2020. Glad Gasly is getting a second bite at the cherry at Torro Rosso too.

Yeah I'd agree with all that.

Gasley has been OK at TR since the demotion. Hopefully he can get it together next year and make a case for a drive at a top team again.

Is Kvyat signed for next year?

Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

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