Waterford GAA Thread - Mod note post #1

JD. 60 · 28-06-2021 10:23pm

enoughtaken wrote: »

25/1 in pp now. Just saying.

Don’t think there will be a stampede to take those odds ; hard to credit after last year’s exploits but maybe they overachieved last year.

Cahill talking about giving the fringe players a chance to prove themselves between now and the next match but who’s likely to step up to the plate.

Mastermcgrath · 29-06-2021 1:39am

This is actually a big test for Liam Cahill now in his own management career, whether he sees it that way or not. He’s still new to senior inter-county, It’s his job to lift the players again, and get them ready for the qualifiers. I didn’t like the tone of his interview after the game, almost like he had decided he had given up on some of these players. If that’s his mindset going back into the camp it will transcend down to the players quickly and you can lose the dressing room.

He got a lot a lot of plaudits after getting these guys to an All Ireland, and rightly so. But it works both ways you can’t say it’s all you when it goes well but be devoid of blame when it goes wrong.

He’s known for being a tough love kind of approach, given the players will be on the floor after this, let’s see if he can lift it to get a tune out of them in the qualifiers.

29-06-2021 6:12am

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

This is actually a big test for Liam Cahill now in his own management career, whether he sees it that way or not. He’s still new to senior inter-county, It’s his job to lift the players again, and get them ready for the qualifiers. I didn’t like the tone of his interview after the game, almost like he had decided he had given up on some of these players. If that’s his mindset going back into the camp it will transcend down to the players quickly and you can lose the dressing room.

He got a lot a lot of plaudits after getting these guys to an All Ireland, and rightly so. But it works both ways you can’t say it’s all you when it goes well but be devoid of blame when it goes wrong.

He’s known for being a tough love kind of approach, given the players will be on the floor after this, let’s see if he can lift it to get a tune out of them in the qualifiers.

If a lad cant lift or motivate himself to play inter county championship hurling,maybe they shouldnt be playing it?

It cant always be the usual waterford thing of the managers fault,either you want to suceed in any aspect of life,or you dont

an extemly limited clare team,beat them off the pitch....if we matched them in workrate,the team with more skilful players would win and its one area we arent lacking (skills)..which makes it frustrating as fcuk

TheScoringGoal · 29-06-2021 7:55am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If a lad cant lift or motivate himself to play inter county championship hurling,maybe they shouldnt be playing it?

It cant always be the usual waterford thing of the managers fault,either you want to suceed in any aspect of life,or you dont

an extemly limited clare team,beat them off the pitch....if we matched them in workrate,the team with more skilful players would win and its one area we arent lacking (skills)..which makes it frustrating as fcuk

Not necessarily. Take Calum Lyons for example. He didn't play badly, he restricted Kelly to 5 points from play was it? Bare in mind how Clare essentially played with two half back lines leaving huge space for the forwards they left up thats not a bad return for Lyons. However how much more could he have contributed if Conor Gleeson was picking up Kelly and Lyons could be one of the free men in front of him? Lyons could carry ball or score himself as he has shown over the last year. The only one who had the ability to allow that happen was Cahill but he didn't until too late. Similarly Austin was excellent but we needed him further up for the same reasons as Lyons but also we needed his physicality.

After 10 mins it was clear Clare had a second half back line in place and there was no chance of finding space in the full forward line for Dessie. But we kept putting ball in, mostly to Conlon on his own. We needed someone who could score from distance to come out deeper so the Clare players had to come out. Whether that be Stephen Bennett, Austin, Calum Lyons, even Shane McNulty. By the time Patrick Curran came on in the role it was much too late.

Some players played badly, no question about it. But I think Cahills interview where he accepted no blame himself is what is concerning.

JD. 60 · 29-06-2021 9:21am

Does anyone know for certain how the qualifiers work.

Right now, you have Waterford, Laois & Antrim plus 4 more teams after this weekend = 7 teams in all, which has to be reduced down to 6. I'm not sure how it gets to 6 .... is there a 'preliminary' match between Antrim/Laois or a draw between these 2 & Waterford as the preliminary ?

Anyway, when you get the 6 teams, 2 get a 'bye' leaving the other 4 teams to play each other ?

Now you're down to 4 teams if you're still with me ; these play off to leave 2 teams go forward into qtr finals to meet the provincial losers. Elementary my dear Watson.

Mastermcgrath · 29-06-2021 9:40am

JD. 60 wrote: »

Does anyone know for certain how the qualifiers work.

Right now, you have Waterford, Laois & Antrim plus 4 more teams after this weekend = 7 teams in all, which has to be reduced down to 6. I'm not sure how it gets to 6 .... is there a 'preliminary' match between Antrim/Laois or a draw between these 2 & Waterford as the preliminary ?

Anyway, when you get the 6 teams, 2 get a 'bye' leaving the other 4 teams to play each other ?

Now you're down to 4 teams if you're still with me ; these play off to leave 2 teams go forward into qtr finals to meet the provincial losers. Elementary my dear Watson.

Laois and Antrim play in a relegation final this weekend with the winners going forward to first qualifying round, Open draw with ourselves and 2 semi final losers, with other 2 sf losers getting a bye. We’d have to win 2 games to get back to a AIQF

Billy Ocean · 29-06-2021 9:59am

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Laois and Antrim play in a relegation final this weekend with the winners going forward to first qualifying round, Open draw with ourselves and 2 semi final losers, with other 2 sf losers getting a bye. We’d have to win 2 games to get back to a AIQF

the Laois Antrim game is on July 10 I think

Motivator · 29-06-2021 11:58am

Deleted User wrote: »

If a lad cant lift or motivate himself to play inter county championship hurling,maybe they shouldnt be playing it?

It cant always be the usual waterford thing of the managers fault,either you want to suceed in any aspect of life,or you dont

an extemly limited clare team,beat them off the pitch....if we matched them in workrate,the team with more skilful players would win and its one area we arent lacking (skills)..which makes it frustrating as fcuk

I don’t think Clare are extremely limited at all, they know their strengths and they play to them. Waterford were very poor on Sunday, unbelievably poor for the first round of the Championship actually. There was no intensity in the game, it was very stop start and this water break thing has to go. It’s knocking the momentum out of games. That’s not an excuse for Waterford it’s more of a rant from me.

I expect us to get through the qualifiers and reach a quarter final and sure it’s wide open once it’s straight knockout.

PTH2009 · 29-06-2021 2:56pm

We will play on the 17th July against either Laois,Antrim or one of the losing Leinster Semi finalists. We can't receive the automatic bye to Round 2 and that will go to one of the losing Munster Semi finalists

Open draw in Round 2 depending on repeat pairings IF we get there

puzl · 29-06-2021 9:31pm

This is our path to Liam this year:

Two weekends off during which we hope to see Prunty and Baron back. Fingers crossed of course.

Then:

17/18 July - 1st qualifier round Vs a semi final loser or winner of Laois/Antrim

If we win that then:

24 July - 2nd qualifier round against a beaten semi finalist.

If we win that:

31 July - QF against a losing provincial finalist.

If we win that:

7/8 August - Semi final against aprovincial winner

And if we win that........

We get a two weekends off

And then:

22 August AI final.

So we have 2 weeks off, 4 weeks in a row, two weeks off and a final. Seems like a tall order, but we'll keep on dreaming as always.

PeggyShippen · 29-06-2021 9:43pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

We will play on the 17th July against either Laois,Antrim or one of the losing Leinster Semi finalists. We can't receive the automatic bye to Round 2 and that will go to one of the losing Munster Semi finalists

Open draw in Round 2 depending on repeat pairings IF we get there

I hope the water break is here to stay. It makes the game more interesting and could be developed more. The bad teams use it badly .

Deisegodeo · 29-06-2021 10:11pm

puzl wrote: »

This is our path to Liam this year:

Two weekends off during which we hope to see Prunty and Baron back. Fingers crossed of course.

Then:

17/18 July - 1st qualifier round Vs a semi final loser or winner of Laois/Antrim

If we win that then:

24 July - 2nd qualifier round against a beaten semi finalist.

If we win that:

31 July - QF against a losing provincial finalist.

If we win that:

7/8 August - Semi final against aprovincial winner

And if we win that........

We get a two weekends off

And then:

22 August AI final.

So we have 2 weeks off, 4 weeks in a row, two weeks off and a final. Seems like a tall order, but we'll keep on dreaming as always.

the problem is we would have to play top teams in quarter and semi finals and it's then the 4 weeks in a row becomes a real problem, plus a higher chance of even more injuries. it's a tall order really.

JD. 60 · 29-06-2021 10:15pm

puzl wrote: »

This is our path to Liam this

So we have 2 weeks off, 4 weeks in a row, two weeks off and a final. Seems like a tall order, but we'll keep on dreaming as always.

Ahem, a tall order but truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.

I remember being in Thurles in 2013 for the qualifier against Kilkenny. The preceding qualifier game was a god damn awful match between Clare & Wexford ; Clare limped over the line and then, amazingly, went on to win the AI.

Rosita · 29-06-2021 11:45pm

JD. 60 wrote: »

Ahem, a tall order but truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.

I remember being in Thurles in 2013 for the qualifier against Kilkenny. The preceding qualifier game was a god damn awful match between Clare & Wexford ; Clare limped over the line and then, amazingly, went on to win the AI.

Not sure there's a solid comparison. In 2013 Clare played Laois on 6 July, Wexford on 13 July. Then they played Galway two weeks later and the semi-final was not for another three weeks on 18 August. The first All Ireland final was not played until 8 September. That's five games over ten weeks. A far cry from 4 in 4 weeks. Not saying it can't be done but no comparison with Clare in 2013 if the run of games is the point at issue, which I think is what the other poster was talking about.

PTH2009 · 30-06-2021 12:23am

Last season we played 3 weeks in a row getting to the All Ireland final

Looking forward to the weekends semi finals, one would hope Dublin don't cause another shock and beat Galway. Galway in the 1st round of the qualifier's would be a right kick in the stones for us. We wait and see

formerlyET · 30-06-2021 1:32am

PTH2009 wrote: »

Last season we played 3 weeks in a row getting to the All Ireland final

Looking forward to the weekends semi finals, one would hope Dublin don't cause another shock and beat Galway. Galway in the 1st round of the qualifier's would be a right kick in the stones for us. We wait and see

I don't think Dublin beating Antrim was a shock. And Dublin are capable of kicking Waterford, the way they're performing this year, in the stones too.

I think I posted about it on here before, but during the league there was one weekend where Waterford conceded more than Westmeath conceded. 4-28. Prunty and Barron played in that game. I know it's only the league. But that's 4-28.

Junior Hurler · 30-06-2021 2:01am

Laois conceded 5-31 to Wexford at the weekend. A nod to the legendary concession of 5-31 by Waterford in the 1982 Munster final.

spaceCreated · 30-06-2021 1:37pm

puzl wrote: »

This is our path to Liam this year:

Two weekends off during which we hope to see Prunty and Baron back. Fingers crossed of course.

Then:

17/18 July - 1st qualifier round Vs a semi final loser or winner of Laois/Antrim

If we win that then:

24 July - 2nd qualifier round against a beaten semi finalist.

If we win that:

31 July - QF against a losing provincial finalist.

If we win that:

7/8 August - Semi final against aprovincial winner

And if we win that........

We get a two weekends off

And then:

22 August AI final.

So we have 2 weeks off, 4 weeks in a row, two weeks off and a final. Seems like a tall order, but we'll keep on dreaming as always.

The silver linings there is that the players will have no time to think of anything else other than the next match, they'll also have a lot more serious gametime relative to other teams as we progress (if we keep going). Theres no substitute for actually playing in a match.

skaface · 30-06-2021 6:29pm

spaceCreated wrote: »

The silver linings there is that the players will have no time to think of anything else other than the next match, they'll also have a lot more serious gametime relative to other teams as we progress (if we keep going). Theres no substitute for actually playing in a match.

The problem with so many matches in this short time frame is the worry of picking up even more injuries along the way, which unfortunately we can't afford, as seen by the absence of two of our regular stsrters against Clare.

Mastermcgrath · 30-06-2021 7:38pm

Junior Hurler wrote: »

Laois conceded 5-31 to Wexford at the weekend. A nod to the legendary concession of 5-31 by Waterford in the 1982 Munster final.

Why in Gods name would you bring that up

PTH2009 · 01-07-2021 8:38pm

I wonder will our 1st round qualifer be used as a trial event given there will be thousands in attendance between these weekends games

Could be wrong but i think the qualifiers are neutral venues with Thurles and Kilkenny been ideal venues depending on opposition

spaceCreated · 01-07-2021 11:03pm

skaface wrote: »

The problem with so many matches in this short time frame is the worry of picking up even more injuries along the way, which unfortunately we can't afford, as seen by the absence of two of our regular stsrters against Clare.

Like... do you think I was unaware of this or...?

skaface · 02-07-2021 3:27pm

spaceCreated wrote: »

Like... do you think I was unaware of this or...?

Cop yourself on there..
This is a public forum .. You posted on here and i just commented on your post..
Less of the sarcastic comments.. No one likes a smart arse

JD. 60 · 02-07-2021 6:16pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/ken-mcgrath-it-was-boring-it-was-actually-boring-1.4610160

spaceCreated · 02-07-2021 9:11pm

skaface wrote: »

Cop yourself on there..
This is a public forum .. You posted on here and i just commented on your post..
Less of the sarcastic comments.. No one likes a smart arse

Soooo...?

Edit: Like your pointing out the very obvious for no apparent reason and commenting on my post specifically I thought maybe you had something else to say

skaface · 02-07-2021 9:18pm

spaceCreated wrote: »

Soooo...?

Edit: Like your pointing out the very obvious for no apparent reason and commenting on my post specifically I thought maybe you had something else to say

I'd ssy you'd want to get out more often if my post is bothering you that much..
"commenting on my post specifically '..
Don't worry, i won't comment on anything else that you post anymore.. Is that okay with you

PTH2009 · 03-07-2021 4:06pm

Jesus the qualifiers will be intense with Galway joining

PTH2009 · 03-07-2021 9:05pm

So one of Antrim, Laois, Galway and Wexford in 2 weeks in the first round of the qualifiers

Be hoping for the winners of the PR between Laois and Antrim. Galway or Wexford would be tricky as ever and wouldn't fancy our chances going by last weekend

TheScoringGoal · 03-07-2021 9:23pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

So one of Antrim, Laois, Galway and Wexford in 2 weeks in the first round of the qualifiers

Be hoping for the winners of the PR between Laois and Antrim. Galway or Wexford would be tricky as ever and wouldn't fancy our chances going by last weekend

Have you ever fancied our chances?

JeffKenna · 03-07-2021 9:27pm

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

Have you ever fancied our chances?

In fairness he's right this time, Cork and the losers of Tipp/Clare then in the second round.

Gavlor · 03-07-2021 9:30pm

JeffKenna wrote: »

In fairness he's right this time, Cork and the losers of Tipp/Clare then in the second round.

We’ll probably struggle against cork plus tipp/Clare in fairness

JD. 60 · 03-07-2021 9:48pm

Be hoping for the winners of the PR between Laois and Antrim. Galway or Wexford would be tricky as ever and wouldn't fancy our chances going by last weekend[/QUOTE]

Wait for the draw before having a meltdown.

I think Galway might be more trickier than the rest. Very flat performance by Galway today ; shades of Waterford last weekend.

Keeping injuries to a minimum will be the key with such a packed schedule ; we’ve had our fair share already. I see that the Dublin full back (one of the best around) went off injured today as did Monaghan’s marquee forward (Conor McManus).

tommylad1212 · 03-07-2021 11:26pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

So one of Antrim, Laois, Galway and Wexford in 2 weeks in the first round of the qualifiers

Be hoping for the winners of the PR between Laois and Antrim. Galway or Wexford would be tricky as ever and wouldn't fancy our chances going by last weekend

If you want to win an all Ireland you need to be beating good teams can't play Antrim every week

skaface · 04-07-2021 12:39pm

When is the draw for the Qualifiers being made

Pogue eile · 04-07-2021 12:54pm

skaface wrote: »

When is the draw for the Qualifiers being made

Next Monday morning after the Antrim v Laois game

skaface · 04-07-2021 1:00pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

Next Monday morning after the Antrim v Laois game

Thanks

Punt Road · 04-07-2021 5:29pm

BUMP!

Punt Road wrote: »

Anyone Listen to Anthony Daly's examiner podcast with Fergal Horgan yet?
I cant help but feel the new Sin bin ruling is set up to be a absolute disaster.....

So a Sin Bin can only be given 'if a player with a goal-scoring opportunity either inside the 20-metre line or the semi-circular arc that extends from the 20 meter line is pulled down, tripped, or struck with a hurley in a careless manner then a penalty shall be awarded and the offender will be yellow-carded and sent to the sin-bin for 10 minutes"

Firstly there's no new card colour. If there's a foul warranting a sin bin it will be signified by a penalty and a yellow card. [There is no black card or special referee signal to highlight the sin bin itself]. Confusion could arise if a fella gives away a penalty that warrants a yellow card but was not a sin bin offence as described above. Maybe a small enough issue as we'll soon see the player trotting off the field but something that could've been avoided maybe.

With regards a sin bin foul [which incurs a sin bin, a yellow card and a penalty]

- Its up to the ref alone to assess if there's a goal scoring opportunity. It doesn't need to be 'clear and obvious' according to Horgan and thats a minefield. God help referees. Each Sin Bin decision will be dissected to death on Sunday game / social media/ Monday papers. The factors at play in this part of the decision alone is countless. Some will be clear cut granted.

- If A fella commits one of these sin bin fouls [in bold above] right out near the sideline then a sin bin can be awarded if the ref deems a goal is on. Horgan said in the podcast "why would defender commit one of these fouls out there if he thought a goal wasn't on" and therefore he would award the Sin bin. A crazy comment to make.

- Finally and this is the most important one I think.... if a fella is bearing down on goal, is within the 21 a defender can grab his jersey and pull him back and not incur a sin bin. He will of course incur a yellow card and if in the square a penalty but not a sin bin as he didn't commit a foul highlighted in bold above i.e. pull him down. Two things spring to mind now. Defender will try perfect the jersey pulling art form now as their "last chance saloon tackle" and worst of all.....forwards will, on feeling a jersey tug, go to ground like a sack of spuds giving the referee the chance to interpret that he was "pulled down" rather than a jersey tug i.e. a sin binning instead of a traditional yellow + free/ penalty.

I hope I'm wrong but I think a few big decisions will be centered around this new ruling this year...

TheScoringGoal · 04-07-2021 10:48pm

Punt Road wrote: »

BUMP!

On the topic of penalties, would I be correct in saying the last one we were awarded in championship was against Clare in 2012?

PTH2009 · 04-07-2021 10:51pm

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

On the topic of penalties, would I be correct in saying the last one we were awarded in championship was against Clare in 2012?

Think we got one against Wexford in 2014 in the Qualifier in Nowlan Park which we which lost

TheScoringGoal · 04-07-2021 10:57pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Think we got one against Wexford in 2014 in the Qualifier in Nowlan Park which we which lost

I forgot that one, I think we missed one that day alright

Tiger Roll · 04-07-2021 11:13pm

TheScoringGoal wrote:

On the topic of penalties, would I be correct in saying the last one we were awarded in championship was against Clare in 2012?

Didn't we get one in a qualifier against Dublin about 5 years ago . The day Maurice and Liam rushe had a Barney . I think Shane Bennet took it but I could be dreaming

Cake Man · 05-07-2021 12:31am

So it looks like it'll be either Antrim/Laois, Wexford or Galway in the first round of the qualifiers next weekend. Some dose to get drawn against Galway, I'm sure they'd be hoping to avoid us as much as we'd hope to avoid them. Then again, Wexford wouldn't be any way easy either so it's pretty much a minefield at this stage.
Any word on Prunty or Barron's injuries and how likely it would be either of them will make it?

PTH2009 · 05-07-2021 3:31pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/all-ireland-fixtures-throw-in-times-confirmed-for-leinster-and-munster-hurling-finals-1.4611936?mode=amp

'Antrim or Laois will be drawn against one of the Munster teams, which must include Waterford as a defeated quarter-finalist. Either Galway or Wexford will be drawn against Clare or Cork. The two teams left over, which will be from the group Galway, Wexford, Clare and Cork, will get a bye to the second round'

A bit confusing now with this explanation but would be happy if that's the case and it's us against the winners of Antrim vs Laois

JD. 60 · 05-07-2021 3:42pm

'Antrim or Laois will be drawn against one of the Munster teams, which must include Waterford as a defeated quarter-finalist. Either Galway or Wexford will be drawn against Clare or Cork. The two teams left over, which will be from the group Galway, Wexford, Clare and Cork, will get a bye to the second round'

A bit confusing now with this explanation but would be happy if that's the case and it's us against the winners of Antrim vs Laois[/QUOTE]

It is certainly is confusing. Waterford can't get a buy so they play the winner of Laois/Antrim .... Two of the remaining four teams get a bye ? ?

Deisegodeo · 05-07-2021 4:04pm

I find it confusing, so do we play Antrim or laois then ?

Deskjockey · 05-07-2021 5:23pm

Deisegodeo wrote: »

I find it confusing, so do we play Antrim or laois then ?

No. My understanding is that Antrim play Laois first in a preliminary round, and then the 4 teams below go into a pot to play each other (assuming previous ties can't be repeated) . The draw is next Monday morning.

Wexford
Galway
Waterford
Antrim /Laois

That's my understanding

Then the 2 teams left standing out of this will play Clare or Cork and there will be another draw to see who plays who.

If that's wrong let me know

PTH2009 · 05-07-2021 5:29pm

Deskjockey wrote: »

No. My understanding is that Antrim play Laois first in a preliminary round, and then the 4 teams below go into a pot to play each other (assuming previous ties can't be repeated) . The draw is next Monday morning.

Wexford
Galway
Waterford
Antrim /Laois

That's my understanding

Then the 2 teams left standing out of this will play Clare or Cork and there will be another draw to see who plays who.

If that's wrong let me know

Its this format AFAIK

'One of Clare or Cork will receive a bye to round 2

One of Wexford or Galway will receive a bye to Round 2

Round 1
Bowl 1 will be the winner of Laois/Antrim and Wexford or Galway
Vs
Bowl 2- Waterford and Clare or Cork

Round 2 will contain the 2 Round 1 winners and then 2 teams that got the byes (draw if there's no repeat matches ie Waterford vs Clare, Wexford vs Laois

Dublin/Kilkenny and Tipperary/Limerick guaranteed at least a QF'

thesultan · 05-07-2021 6:09pm

Cake Man wrote: »

So it looks like it'll be either Antrim/Laois, Wexford or Galway in the first round of the qualifiers next weekend. Some dose to get drawn against Galway, I'm sure they'd be hoping to avoid us as much as we'd hope to avoid them. Then again, Wexford wouldn't be any way easy either so it's pretty much a minefield at this stage.
Any word on Prunty or Barron's injuries and how likely it would be either of them will make it?

They were back running at the weekend

carter10 · 05-07-2021 10:28pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Its this format AFAIK

'One of Clare or Cork will receive a bye to round 2

One of Wexford or Galway will receive a bye to Round 2

Round 1
Bowl 1 will be the winner of Laois/Antrim and Wexford or Galway
Vs
Bowl 2- Waterford and Clare or Cork

Round 2 will contain the 2 Round 1 winners and then 2 teams that got the byes (draw if there's no repeat matches ie Waterford vs Clare, Wexford vs Laois

Dublin/Kilkenny and Tipperary/Limerick guaranteed at least a QF'

Why do Cork get a bye?

JeffKenna · 05-07-2021 10:31pm

carter10 wrote: »

Why do Cork get a bye?

They got to the semi final.

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