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    #1562
    formerlyET
    Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭formerlyET


    Waterford didn't want to win it, they wanted not to lose it. They never took the game on and finished the game off. They fell back and tried to defend the lead - time-wasting, instead of just burying it.


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    #1563
    carter10
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    Trying to win a senior all ireland based on years of failure at underage. Abysmal predictable and embarrassing.


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    #1564
    cnocsion
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    Stacksofwacks wrote: »
    turning into a hammering now, didn't deserve this

    Injuries didnt help but fitness a problem. Tipps strength and conditioning looking far ahead of ours.

    Pity as we looked to have enough to close it out in normal time.


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    #1565
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    Well done to them all the same, just rotten luck with that goal. Some big performances form a very young team so plenty to look forward to and I hope they can park that extra time for what it was.


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    #1566
    blueflame
    Registered Users Posts: 428 ✭✭blueflame


    iI agree that we tried to fall over the line with delaying tactics rather than trying to tack on a score or two to make the game safe. But we should remembers these are your lads and they had given everything and had lost three of the marqui players during the game. It should also be remembered that Tipp had teh advantage of the the game against Clare whereas we were stuck with inhouse games, which are no comparison for building stamina.


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    #1567
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    formerlyET wrote: »
    Waterford didn't want to win it, they wanted not to lose it. They never took the game on and finished the game off. They fell back and tried to defend the lead - time-wasting, instead of just burying it.

    Head back to the Tipp thread now there good lad. Ye were poxed


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    #1568
    formerlyET
    Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭formerlyET


    mountgomery burns wrote: »
    Head back to the Tipp thread now there good lad. Ye were poxed

    Disagree, they dug it out the hard way. Might not go much further but great character shown there. And finishing - when it was there to be finished - it was finished.


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    #1569
    carter10
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭carter10


    40 years watching the same crap repeated year after year. Tipp went for it, Waterford went into their shell and tried to hold on. Dress it up whatever way you like but those are the facts. Thats why Tipp have 26 all irelands and we have 2. Winning mentality.
    Tipp go to matches expecting to win, we go hoping to win.


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    #1570
    mountgomery burns
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    formerlyET wrote: »
    Disagree, they dug it out the hard way. Might not go much further but great character shown there. And finishing - when it was there to be finished - it was finished.

    They'd a gale force wind behind them and they were no closer to winning than they were at half time with 65mins gone.

    They deserve to win, because in the end they did it. We left it behind the first half not second, should have been much further ahead.

    Tipp were big favourites to win that match and were lucky to get extra time. Don't kid yourself.


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    #1571
    Mastermcgrath
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    carter10 wrote: »
    Trying to win a senior all ireland based on years of failure at underage. Abysmal predictable and embarrassing.

    A bit like your post


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    #1572
    Stacksofwacks
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    carter10 wrote: »
    40 years watching the same crap repeated year after year. Tipp went for it, Waterford went into their shell and tried to hold on. Dress it up whatever way you like but those are the facts. Thats why Tipp have 26 all irelands and we have 2. Winning mentality.
    Tipp go to matches expecting to win, we go hoping to win.

    Rubbish. 2 of our best players went off, we tried to hang in there after a very good performance but got very tired and Tipp got a good goal to level it. Not sure where they got six minutes from either.


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    #1573
    PTH2009
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    We need a proper development plan set up and by experienced coaches/people


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    #1574
    carter10
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭carter10


    Mastermcgrath wrote: »
    A bit like your post

    The truth and will continue to be the truth as long as Waterford people ignore the facts. Look at our underage record over the last few years. Whipping boys of Munster underage. Try to win a senior all ireland based on that.
    Have to bring in a Tipp man to show us how to do it.
    Until the mentality changes and some actual proper coaching is done at juvenile level we will just keep repeating tonight's abysmal performance every year.


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    #1575
    formerlyET
    Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭formerlyET


    mountgomery burns wrote: »
    They'd a gale force wind behind them and they were no closer to winning than they were at half time with 65mins gone.

    They deserve to win, because in the end they did it. We left it behind the first half not second, should have been much further ahead.

    Tipp were big favourites to win that match and were lucky to get extra time. Don't kid yourself.

    Exactly, they dug it out the hard way. And when it was there to be finished, it was finished. Ruthless. Five goals.


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    #1576
    Ropaire
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    carter10 wrote: »
    The truth and will continue to be the truth as long as Waterford people ignore the facts. Look at our underage record over the last few years. Whipping boys of Munster underage. Try to win a senior all ireland based on that.
    Have to bring in a Tipp man to show us how to do it.
    Until the mentality changes and some actual proper coaching is done at juvenile level we will just keep repeating tonight's abysmal performance every year.

    Make Waterford Great Again


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    #1577
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    carter10 wrote: »
    The truth and will continue to be the truth as long as Waterford people ignore the facts. Look at our underage record over the last few years. Whipping boys of Munster underage. Try to win a senior all ireland based on that.
    Have to bring in a Tipp man to show us how to do it.
    Until the mentality changes and some actual proper coaching is done at juvenile level we will just keep repeating tonight's abysmal performance every year.

    Tonight wasn't an abysmal performance. They were the better team in normal time, hit some bad wides especially on the frees in the first half but horsed into Tipp and played some very good hurling in dreadful conditions.

    All this as massive outsiders against a team that already bet Clare by about 14 points and are going for a 3rd all Ireland in a row at the grade (granted not the same players). And with 10 lads underage again next year in the team.

    We're all disappointed, I'm sick, after the last few days. But have some perspective, nobody is hurting more than the players.


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    #1578
    TheScoringGoal
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    Stacksofwacks wrote: »
    Rubbish. 2 of our best players went off, we tried to hang in there after a very good performance but got very tired and Tipp got a good goal to level it. Not sure where they got six minutes from either.

    I'd agree with everything aside from the 6 minutes query. It felt to me like the second half was very stop start and the added time was probably justified.

    But I'd also agree with your other points, we just didn't have the depth that Tipp have. But we have ten underage again next year from the first fifteen.

    I find the criticism of handling skills and touch to be incredible (not aimed at the chap I'm replying to) These lads have been allowed train collectively for what, 2 weeks now? On a very soft pitch under lights in December. Plus theres no way they would be conditioned as normal so fatigue will set in faster.


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    #1579
    Stacksofwacks
    Registered Users Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    carter10 wrote: »
    The truth and will continue to be the truth as long as Waterford people ignore the facts. Look at our underage record over the last few years. Whipping boys of Munster underage. Try to win a senior all ireland based on that.
    Have to bring in a Tipp man to show us how to do it.
    Until the mentality changes and some actual proper coaching is done at juvenile level we will just keep repeating tonight's abysmal performance every year.

    I don't know what your saying really, we were in an AI final this year, won an U21 and minor a few years ago. When your in the same province and as Tipp, Cork and Limerick its always going to be hard to win every year but it brings on our guys playing those teams I suppose.


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    #1580
    Asdfgh2020
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    Stacksofwacks wrote: »
    Rubbish. 2 of our best players went off, we tried to hang in there after a very good performance but got very tired and Tipp got a good goal to level it. Not sure where they got six minutes from either.

    Just wondering who won the toss to decide the extra time wind advantage....looked like w’ford did.......Tipp got 3-4 in first half of extra time and w’ford nothing or maybe a pt.....second half Tipp scored nothing and w’ford got 1-2 or 1-1 not 100% sure....a goal to level it at 65 mins and 30 secs or something like that .........also Tipps first goal was a gift....! 3-16 to 5-18 in the end.......8 pt defeat. Bit better than Sunday I suppose....a 1 pt defeat in full time would have been a better reflection of the game.....in saying that missing a penalty and some very score-able looking frees in first half is really where the game was lost


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    #1581
    Deisegodeo
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    A sickener to lose that, should have been able to close it out, 4 points up heading into injury time.

    great effort over all though, hard one for these young lads to take but i think 10 of the starting team are underage again next year so hopefully they learn form this defeat.


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    #1582
    Stacksofwacks
    Registered Users Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    Asdfgh2020 wrote: »
    Just wondering who won the toss to decide the extra time wind advantage....looked like w’ford did.......Tipp got 3-4 in first half of extra time and w’ford nothing or maybe a pt.....second half Tipp scored nothing and w’ford got 1-2 or 1-1 not 100% sure....a goal to level it at 65 mins and 30 secs or something like that .........also Tipps first goal was a gift....! 3-16 to 5-18 in the end.......8 pt defeat. Bit better than Sunday I suppose....a 1 pt defeat in full time would have been a better reflection of the game.....in saying that missing a penalty and some very score-able looking frees in first half is really where the game was lost

    If Waterford won that toss it was a silly thing to do, always take the advantage rather than let Tipp build up a head of steam, easier playing in front than behind, though I think they were out on their feet in ET anyway


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    #1583
    thesultan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭thesultan


    We paid for our negativity at the end of normal time. Cynical fouling. Pulling off the helmets then with nothing wrong. Fitzgerald was a major loss


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    #1584
    cnocsion
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭cnocsion


    All in all...v disappointing but we will get some senior players off that team sonner rather than later.

    Showed some inexperience not closing the game out whem it was there to be won.

    Future looks bright...lets hope we can keep cahill and co for minimum 2 more years and he will mould these young players....


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    #1585
    upthedeise16
    Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭upthedeise16


    I feel physically sick after, thought after the Beecher save in the 62nd minute, we would hold on. Hard luck to all involved.


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    #1586
    Pudz2180
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    nine of the starting team tonight were minors in 2018 & o’ceallaigh who came on was also on that minor team. Think halloran and Burke were minors last year. So hopefully we should have a strong team next year. Could throw in Patrick Fitzgerald as well though he’s probably still a bit young as I think he could be minor again next year. He looked very impressive for the minors on Saturday. Could be wrong but Think kiely was training with the seniors at the start of the year but had some injury issues. You’d imagine he would probably be one of the lads Cahill will be having a look at next year


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    #1587
    cnocsion
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭cnocsion


    Pudz2180 wrote: »
    nine of the starting team tonight were minors in 2018 & o’ceallaigh who came on was also on that minor team. Think halloran and Burke were minors last year. So hopefully we should have a strong team next year. Could throw in Patrick Fitzgerald as well though he’s probably still a bit young as I think he could be minor again next year. He looked very impressive for the minors on Saturday. Could be wrong but Think kiely was training with the seniors at the start of the year but had some injury issues. You’d imagine he would probably be one of the lads Cahill will be having a look at next year

    Kiely definitely worth a look at in the league id say.


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    #1588
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users Posts: 4,536 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    thesultan wrote: »
    We paid for our negativity at the end of normal time. Cynical fouling. Pulling off the helmets then with nothing wrong. Fitzgerald was a major loss

    I don't think we paid for it, just didn't do it well enough.
    I agree on the helmets coming off part, maybe stuff was happening I dunno, hard to see on TV.


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    #1589
    PTH2009
    Registered Users Posts: 38,080 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Not looking like the clubs will come first in 2021 and the league will kick off mid/late Feb with a reduced format. Why id be in favour of the clubs coming first is it will give the players time to refocus and also giving the management time to look out for new players. The possibility of the vaccine working might also mean crowds back for games mid 2021

    No pre season competitions either for 2021 only NHL and championship


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    #1590
    Gavlor
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    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Not looking like the clubs will come first in 2021 and the league will kick off mid/late Feb with a reduced format. Why id be in favour of the clubs coming first is it will give the players time to refocus and also giving the management time to look out for new players. The possibility of the vaccine working might also mean crowds back for games mid 2021

    No pre season competitions either for 2021 only NHL and championship

    You reckon the club players want to play the championship in feb/March?


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    #1591
    PTH2009
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    Gavlor wrote: »
    You reckon the club players want to play the championship in feb/March?

    Sure this year showed they can be run off in a quick time frame and players are still getting games. Suppose its a bit of a 50/50 thing , one one hand its possible club players will be done and dusted by summer and they can go on holidays and that but on the other hand would club players be able to handle the tougher weather conditions of the end of winter/start of spring (suppose the AI clubs were held to a good standard in that time frame)


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