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DrPhilG · 31-03-2021 9:05am

Wtf is this a 5 rounder for?

I don't even agree with main event non title fights being 5 rounds. Now they're arbitrarily deciding that a co-main is going to be 5 rounds too?

dashoonage · 31-03-2021 9:15am

DrPhilG wrote: »

Wtf is this a 5 rounder for?

I don't even agree with main event non title fights being 5 rounds. Now they're arbitrarily deciding that a co-main is going to be 5 rounds too?

maxium ROI on a diaz in a cage.

Zero-Cool · 31-03-2021 9:50am

Charlie Olives or Chandler to pull out with Covid, Nate gets the shot and becomes champ, put money on it!

dashoonage · 31-03-2021 9:57am

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Charlie Olives or Chandler to pull out with Covid, Nate gets the shot and becomes champ, put money on it!

Masvidal beats Usman , Diaz vs Masvidal in July to unify all 3 belts in a TLC match with GSP as a special guest ref.

mailburner · 31-03-2021 10:19am

Rjd2 wrote: »

Nate must be getting serious money for this, low profile opponent who he has got **** all of a chance against.

https://twitter.com/arielhelwani/status/1377093236745854983

nice handy fight for Leon, hope he's getting well paid.

Never saw this one coming

mailburner · 31-03-2021 10:24am

fair play to Holland for stepping up but I'm not sure I want to see some of the
same from him after his last performance but at least vettori should
at least stand with him

could go 0/5 this year

Alf Veedersane · 31-03-2021 10:44am

Vettori's fight night weight is about 210. Holland said before he walks around in the mid-190s.

I don't see it going well for Holland.

eagle eye · 31-03-2021 11:00am

Anybody disagree that Edwards and Wonderboy was the fight to make with the winner getting a title shot?

yourdeadwright · 31-03-2021 2:19pm

Fighters baffle me ,

Diaz sits out for nearly 2 years and then takes a fight against someone who will just try to hold him against the cage and then lie on top of him ,

No idea why he'd take the fight,

yourdeadwright · 31-03-2021 2:19pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Anybody disagree that Edwards and Wonderboy was the fight to make with the winner getting a title shot?

Id love to see Usman v Wonder boy

its the one style he hasn't fought

mailburner · 31-03-2021 2:41pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Id love to see Usman v Wonder boy

its the one style he hasn't fought

Wonderboy needs to be more vocal and start calling out fighters

I'd say nobody wants to fight him in fairness

mailburner · 31-03-2021 2:44pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Anybody disagree that Edwards and Wonderboy was the fight to make with the winner getting a title shot?

should be the fight that was made

Diaz fight is a bs match up but a safe one for Leon.

MrStuffins · 31-03-2021 2:45pm

I'd love to see Wonderboy go full heel and just generate some pull for himself.

Look at Colby. Nobody wanted to see him fight. He talked himself from almost being cut to being given chances he wouldn't have gotten without his schtick! And those chances allowed him to fight his way to title contention.

Even if Wonderboy tried the Cejudo thing and tried being cheesy.

Anything!

xtal191 · 31-03-2021 2:49pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

Nate must be getting serious money for this, low profile opponent who he has got **** all of a chance against.

https://twitter.com/arielhelwani/status/1377093236745854983

That'll be extremely one sided, stupid fight imo

mailburner · 31-03-2021 7:51pm

so jones has reportedly turned down 8-10million

He says that's way too low for a fight of this magnitude so I'm guessing it'll
take close to 20 million to get him in

Do you think this fight will generate the same amount of ppv's as a conor fight?

Do you think this fight will actually happen now?

I've a feeling ufc won't play ball and say fcuk it and give it to Lewis but I think they should give bones what he wants if the projected ppv's are similiar to what conors are.

I've no idea tbh but I'm thinking it ought to hit the million surely....francis is popular...Jones not so much.

seems outside of a conor bout recently that only usman masvidal went over the million and last one before that was nunes rousey in 2016
https://www.sportbible.com/ufc/mma-news-the-16-biggest-pay-per-view-buys-in-ufc-history-20200326

Zero-Cool · 31-03-2021 8:04pm

I think the next season of The Ultimate Fighter was supposed to be starting in next couple of weeks but haven't heard anything. Any rumblings?

MrStuffins · 31-03-2021 8:22pm

mailburner wrote: »

so jones has reportedly turned down 8-10million

He says that's way too low for a fight of this magnitude so I'm guessing it'll
take close to 20 million to get him in

Do you think this fight will generate the same amount of ppv's as a conor fight?

Do you think this fight will actually happen now?

I've a feeling ufc won't play ball and say fcuk it and give it to Lewis but I think they should give bones what he wants if the projected ppv's are similiar to what conors are.

I've no idea tbh but I'm thinking it ought to hit the million surely....francis is popular...Jones not so much.

seems outside of a conor bout recently that only usman masvidal went over the million and last one before that was nunes rousey in 2016
https://www.sportbible.com/ufc/mma-news-the-16-biggest-pay-per-view-buys-in-ufc-history-20200326

I actually think that this could be marketed as as big a fight outside of Conor PPVs. Francis's story, his style, how he looks, how scary he is........ V the unbeaten LHW GOAT and arguably the GOAT of the whole sport (hold the picos).......

America love their HW boxers and Francis has a touch of the Tysons about him, in that he can put anyone away.

This could be huge, not just in MMA circles

rob316 · 31-03-2021 10:35pm

Cage legacy postponed this Saturday due to restrictions. Promoter kept in constant contact with the authorities and the superintendent turns around 3 days out it can't go ahead. Some bull****, gutted for the fighters was looking forward to this for ages.

riffmongous · 31-03-2021 10:56pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

I actually think that this could be marketed as as big a fight outside of Conor PPVs. Francis's story, his style, how he looks, how scary he is........ V the unbeaten LHW GOAT and arguably the GOAT of the whole sport (hold the picos).......

America love their HW boxers and Francis has a touch of the Tysons about him, in that he can put anyone away.

This could be huge, not just in MMA circles

They need to market it as the dui'ing, pregnant woman hit and running, waitress molesting, eye poking, etc. etc. junkie cheat finally getting the beatdown we've been waiting for for years, at the hands of the child-worker turned HW champ :pac:

mdwexford · 01-04-2021 12:47am

DrPhilG wrote: »

Wtf is this a 5 rounder for?

I don't even agree with main event non title fights being 5 rounds. Now they're arbitrarily deciding that a co-main is going to be 5 rounds too?

I think they should make all co-main events 5 rounds.

Would result in some more classic 5 round wars and it gives fighters a chance to go 5 rounds and get used to it before stepping up to a title fight.

Beersmith · 01-04-2021 7:07am

mdwexford wrote: »

I think they should make all co-main events 5 rounds.

Would result in some more classic 5 round wars and it gives fighters a chance to go 5 rounds and get used to it before stepping up to a title fight.

That was the idea with making the main 5 rounds but it actually in most cases makes the fights lower paced and boring. What overshadows it is obviously the main is a major fight. So many great match ups have actually been ruined by the 5 rounds i believe.

ASOT · 01-04-2021 3:13pm

Not much changes for fighters with this new Venum deal.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNIANETh9yo/?igshid=15uc2xunth6g9

Big Ears · 03-04-2021 12:56am

mdwexford wrote: »

I think they should make all co-main events 5 rounds.

Would result in some more classic 5 round wars and it gives fighters a chance to go 5 rounds and get used to it before stepping up to a title fight.

If it's 2 genuine top 5 fighters against each other and the winner is in with a good shout of fighting for the title, it absolutely should be 5 rounds.
It can be frustrating when Championship calibre fighters are matched off and your left wondering what the result would have been over 5.

However if it's a poor card, and two lowly (or perhaps not at all) ranked fighters are in the co-main, then they should leave it at 3 rounds.

MrStuffins · 03-04-2021 2:26am

Mike Goldberg has been let go by Bellator. Such a shame.

Say what you want about the guy, but he and his voice are absolutely iconic in the sport.

I like Anik and all but he's much more "professional" where as Goldie was always much more fun and upbeat.

He had absolutely no clue what was going on most of the time...... which made him even better because it was unintentionally hilarious.

Really hope he gets his place in the Hall of Fame!

derfderf · 03-04-2021 3:37am

mailburner wrote: »

so jones has reportedly turned down 8-10million

He says that's way too low for a fight of this magnitude so I'm guessing it'll
take close to 20 million to get him in

Do you think this fight will generate the same amount of ppv's as a conor fight?

Do you think this fight will actually happen now?

I've a feeling ufc won't play ball and say fcuk it and give it to Lewis but I think they should give bones what he wants if the projected ppv's are similiar to what conors are.

I've no idea tbh but I'm thinking it ought to hit the million surely....francis is popular...Jones not so much.

seems outside of a conor bout recently that only usman masvidal went over the million and last one before that was nunes rousey in 2016
https://www.sportbible.com/ufc/mma-news-the-16-biggest-pay-per-view-buys-in-ufc-history-20200326

I'm not sure why they can't just offer low base pay, high ppv points. If Jon's that confident he's huge draw, let him prove it.

The Floyd p · 03-04-2021 4:10am

Zero-Cool wrote: »

I think the next season of The Ultimate Fighter was supposed to be starting in next couple of weeks but haven't heard anything. Any rumblings?

Brett Okamoto @bokamotoESPN
UFC president Dana White @danawhite tells me Alexander Volkanovski @alexvolkanovski and Brian Ortega @BrianTcity
will coach The Ultimate Fighter 29, which will start filming later this month and air on ESPN+. Their title fight will be rescheduled at the end of the season.

Hopefully it allows Volk to get a bit more rub. He's so talented but still underrated.

DrPhilG · 03-04-2021 11:18am

derfderf wrote: »

If Jon's that confident he's huge draw, let him prove it.

I assumed that was the issue, Jones isn't that great a draw and he knows it. So he wants a big base pay rather than relying on the PPV points.

Still Ill · 03-04-2021 12:40pm

Yeah, Jones isn't making any sense if he's talking about his worth but wants a huge payday up front. The money has to come from somewhere. Take the guaranteed couple of million, then sell the fight for your %. It's a hugely exciting fight tbf and I think it'd sell a lot when he finally stops moaning. It works out well for all parties if they make the fight and sell a lot of PPVs. Would be very disappointing if we don't get to see it

walshb · 03-04-2021 2:00pm

Jones reminds me of Floyd when Floyd was ducking the Manny fight!

walshb · 03-04-2021 2:02pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

I assumed that was the issue, Jones isn't that great a draw and he knows it. So he wants a big base pay rather than relying on the PPV points.

I think a Jones/Francis fight would be a real big seller!!

More than anything Jones has done at 205 lbs.

HW champion is D prize. The man!!!

Homelander · 03-04-2021 7:19pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Mike Goldberg has been let go by Bellator. Such a shame.

Say what you want about the guy, but he and his voice are absolutely iconic in the sport.

I like Anik and all but he's much more "professional" where as Goldie was always much more fun and upbeat.

He had absolutely no clue what was going on most of the time...... which made him even better because it was unintentionally hilarious.

Really hope he gets his place in the Hall of Fame!

I've increasingly felt the last while that he's been majorly phoning it in in Bellator, when you compare his UFC commentary to his commentary in Bellator the last year or so there's an absolute world of difference.

Before, he was exciting, passionate, and just a great colour commentator, even if he wasn't the most knowledgable. In Bellator it was like he was bored reading off a page half the time.

Rjd2 · 03-04-2021 8:54pm

Excellent fight , we will find out how good Gane is.

https://twitter.com/bokamotoESPN/status/1378397269754535937

mailburner · 03-04-2021 9:02pm

Really hoped they'd make that match up as I wanted to see Gane tested and I can't think of a harder fight for Gane

They have to give volkov a shot if he beats Gane

mailburner · 03-04-2021 9:06pm

https://twitter.com/bokamotoESPN/status/1378180543867547648

love this match up too

04-04-2021 6:58pm

^^^Great match up.

I recall some analyst (likely either Luke Thomas/Brian Campbell) suggesting that with Endeavor planning IPO this year that we're due for great supercharged events in the lead up. Makes sense. But great fights announced ever since the announcement. UFC essentially keeping the rest afloat the past year.
Would expect the IPO to get some pushback/not be a completely obvious grant given given impending lawsuits and business variability. But I'm no expert.

Zero-Cool · 06-04-2021 3:54pm

New Venum gear. Looks nice, a lot nicer than Reebok's first attempt

https://twitter.com/ufc/status/1379437487588786182?s=19

Mellor · 07-04-2021 4:18am

Zero-Cool wrote: »

New Venum gear. Looks nice, a lot nicer than Reebok's first attempt

The styling of the walkout gear looks ok. Better than Reebok's first go.
But I think some of the fight shorts look a bit odd. Like they'd be hard to move in.

https://twitter.com/BigMarcel24/status/1379388102737805313

derfderf · 11-04-2021 2:21pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

I assumed that was the issue, Jones isn't that great a draw and he knows it. So he wants a big base pay rather than relying on the PPV points.

I wonder exactly what he's asking for if 8-10 million is not enough. Has even Conor ever gotten more than $5m up front?

In fairness, I think that fight would have very high numbers for a fight without Conor. I don't see why it couldn't have Usman vs Masvidal numbers.

Rjd2 · 11-04-2021 3:05pm

derfderf wrote: »

I wonder exactly what he's asking for if 8-10 million is not enough. Has even Conor ever gotten more than $5m up front?

In fairness, I think that fight would have very high numbers for a fight without Conor. I don't see why it couldn't have Usman vs Masvidal numbers.

What could it peak at 1.2?

I know some online saying it could do much more but that seems a little mad, looking at Jones history and while Ngannu is the man not a household name with Joe Bloggs.

ASOT · 14-04-2021 12:40pm

McGregor Porier 3 official, interesting caption.

https://twitter.com/ufc/status/1382294525574467589?s=19

Beersmith · 14-04-2021 1:32pm

Interesting caption? You mean in reference to the bull**** beef regarding dustins charity? This must be the lamest grudge match based on that.

Mellor · 14-04-2021 1:36pm

Next season of TUF is Ortega v Volkanovski.
Ortega is bringing in Rener Gracie as his jiujitsu coach. So Volkanovski is bringing in fellow Aussie Craig Jones.
Craig was online earlier and said he was going to challenge Rener to match. Should be interesting.

For those that aren’t aware;
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNV6Uzvlmc-/?igshid=1s8tgqqvzqbm5

ciano316 · 14-04-2021 1:51pm

Hahaha the bust up on Twitter only to announce the fight and ticket sales today is hilarious.

Work Work Work.

hots · 14-04-2021 2:15pm

ASOT wrote: »

McGregor Porier 3 official, interesting caption.

https://twitter.com/ufc/status/1382294525574467589?s=19

such WWE nonsense :rolleyes:

MidlanderMan · 14-04-2021 2:17pm

Mellor wrote: »

Next season of TUF is Ortega v Volkanovski.
Ortega is bringing in Rener Gracie as his jiujitsu coach. So Volkanovski is bringing in fellow Aussie Craig Jones.
Craig was online earlier and said he was going to challenge Rener to match. Should be interesting.

For those that aren’t aware;
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNV6Uzvlmc-/?igshid=1s8tgqqvzqbm5

Rener hasn't been in competition since he was about 19 I think due to a back injury. He was a very good blackbelt at 18/19 and I'm sure he's incredibly good Inthe gi, but Jones would/should be on a totally different level in a competitive roll. The older brother Ryron is apparently the better grappler of the two. That said their younger less talented brother was able to defend against Gordon Ryan for a while and managed to sure some pretty nice sweeps and a nice throw so if he's better than the family ****up he might be able to give Jones at least a nice friendly roll with some interesting moments.

Mellor · 14-04-2021 3:45pm

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Rener hasn't been in competition since he was about 19 I think due to a back injury. He was a very good blackbelt at 18/19 and I'm sure he's incredibly good Inthe gi, but Jones would/should be on a totally different level in a competitive roll. The older brother Ryron is apparently the better grappler of the two. That said their younger less talented brother was able to defend against Gordon Ryan for a while and managed to sure some pretty nice sweeps and a nice throw so if he's better than the fair ****up he might be able to give Jones at least a nice friendly roll with some interesting moments.

He retired at 20 I think, but competed once off at 29 for Gracie Worlds. I agree he was legitimately very good. But yeah, I’d give him zero chance against Jones. Especially nogi.
Are you talking about Ralek? I seem to remember Gordon being all over him.

I was thinking interesting more along the lines of the interactions between them than a close match if it happened. Rener is a full on Gracie kool-aid pedaller. Craig is just a piss taker with vicious leg locks.

MrStuffins · 14-04-2021 3:49pm

Jones to rip his lower leg apart within 2 mins

ASOT · 14-04-2021 9:20pm

Jimmy flick on with Helwani, very tough watch. Hopefully he gets to get back into his dad's good books.

yourdeadwright · 15-04-2021 10:22am

In kind off MMA related news i hope Ben Askren beats the breaks off that youtube fella who comes across very unlikable

Also to pick Askren out of all MMA guys for a boxing fight is a joke that i hope ends up biting him in the ass ,

Obviously i won't buy the fight cause why would i but i like Ben so hope he gets a win ,

rob316 · 15-04-2021 10:30am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

In kind off MMA related news i hope Ben Askren beats the breaks off that youtube fella who comes across very unlikable

Also to pick Askren out of all MMA guys for a boxing fight is a joke that i hope ends up biting him in the ass ,

Obviously i won't buy the fight cause why would i but i like Ben so hope he gets a win ,

Frank Mir also boxing on this show. Big fan of Mir but I couldn't pay for it. $24 dollars by the way

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