Formula 1 2020 - General Discussion Thread (See MOD warning on first post)

Harika · 21-05-2020 6:59pm

the_pen_turner wrote: »

could vettel go to formula e

I wanted to say some break and then DTM but this seems unlikely. (Not from his side)

Sheeps · 21-05-2020 7:24pm

Isn't DTM in trouble financially?

donspeekinglesh · 21-05-2020 8:06pm

Sheeps wrote: »

Isn't DTM in trouble financially?

Audi are pulling out, so there's only one manufacturer left.

Harika · 21-05-2020 8:17pm

Sheeps wrote: »

Isn't DTM in trouble financially?

2 out of 3 manufacturers left and the new DTM was never built for privateers. So in case no miracle happens it's game over after this season.

Rodney Bathgate · 21-05-2020 8:20pm

There is always Truck Racing, I assume it is still popular in Germany?

g1983d · 21-05-2020 9:51pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

There is always Truck Racing, I assume it is still popular in Germany?

Used to love that in Eurosport back in the day

AMKC · 22-05-2020 1:44pm

There is rumours now that Renault are looking at Bottas to fill the seat. Maybe he would be happier there than at Mercedes but it would be a step down for him. So would Ocan be no.1 at Renault then or Bottas?

H3llR4iser · 22-05-2020 3:53pm

AMKC wrote: »

There is rumours now that Renault are looking at Bottas to fill the seat. Maybe he would be happier there than at Mercedes but it would be a step down for him. So would Ocan be no.1 at Renault then or Bottas?

I seriously doubt a midfield team can afford to have a #1 and #2 policy...they need to go the "grab anything you can as long as you don't knock one another out!" way by default...and the last part might not be a given when you got Ocon

El_Duderino 09 · 22-05-2020 4:04pm

H3llR4iser wrote: »

I seriously doubt a midfield team can afford to have a #1 and #2 policy...they need to go the "grab anything you can as long as you don't knock one another out!" way by default...and the last part might not be a given when you got Ocon

Yeah they might have a policy about which driver gets the new aero part when they only have one between the two drivers. But they don't have full #1 #2 drivers.

pjohnson · 22-05-2020 4:43pm

Bottas would be probably like Ricciardo. Pocket the money and remain in the midfield.

Wonder if Merc actually ARE interested in Vettel?

g1983d · 22-05-2020 5:58pm

AMKC wrote: »

There is rumours now that Renault are looking at Bottas to fill the seat. Maybe he would be happier there than at Mercedes but it would be a step down for him. So would Ocan be no.1 at Renault then or Bottas?

All talk until now has been who will merc put in the seat, would force the hand of merc a bit to nail their colours to the mast if he did leave them instead.
They would have to go with an ex WDC like alonso or vettel if they say they want the best drivers or else someone like ocon if they want hamilton as a no1

Top Dog · 23-05-2020 9:03am

pjohnson wrote: »

Wonder if Merc actually ARE interested in Vettel?

I'm hoping they'll give it to George Russel. Let Hamilton be his mentor before he retires.

Top Dog · 23-05-2020 11:42am

Renault looking for a 5 Billion loan from the French authorities.

Le Maire said Renault's French plant in Flins must not close and the company should be able to keep as many jobs as possible in France, but also said it needed to adapt and be competitive.

Can't see how you can justify the expense of Formula 1 when you have no customers for your engines and little return on the investment?

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0522/1140017-renault-and-nissan-in-jobs-warning/

AMKC · 23-05-2020 2:07pm

Top Dog wrote: »

Renault looking for a 5 Billion loan from the French authorities.

Can't see how you can justify the expense of Formula 1 when you have no customers for your engines and little return on the investment?

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0522/1140017-renault-and-nissan-in-jobs-warning/

I have said a few times in this tread that Renault could yet pull out of F1 but it would be great of they did not have too. I seems to be a thing with Renault do. Get into F1 for a while do ok then pull out.Then some 5 or 10 years later get back in do great win the drivers and constructors title twice in a row then pull out again. Then come back again etc. I think it will even be hard to find anyone to sell it too now like they did at the end of 2009 to Genii Capital because this pandemic we are currently is is far worse then the crash back then and has effected the whole world.

mickdw · 23-05-2020 11:12pm

Ricciardo was best out of there by the sounds of things.

eviltimeban · 24-05-2020 7:42am

Makes a mooted Alonso / Renault connection seem more like a cynical commercial ploy - get Liberty to pay half the salary, get more coverage, etc.

flazio · 24-05-2020 8:16am

At this stage, the only seat at Renault that Alonso should occupy is Cyril Abiteboul's seat.
That man is doing a lot of damage to that team and its reputation.

El_Duderino 09 · 24-05-2020 11:23pm

flazio wrote: »

At this stage, the only seat at Renault that Alonso should occupy is Cyril Abiteboul's seat.
That man is doing a lot of damage to that team and its reputation.

Apparently there are rumours of eric boullier going back to Renault. Missed Apex asked Joe Saward and he said he haadn't heard it.

mickdw · 25-05-2020 12:37am

Cant stand that man.
I thought he was running the french GP now.

AMKC · 26-05-2020 3:19pm

Mclaren to axe 1200 jobs and they say it is because of the Formula cost cap and the Covid-19 pandemic.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-05-2020 4:19pm

AMKC wrote: »

Mclaren to axe 1200 jobs and they say it is because of the Formula cost cap and the Covid-19 pandemic.

Furloughing or gone permanently?

That's a lot of staff. Like, is mclaren going bust?

ongarite · 26-05-2020 4:20pm

70 from F1 staff, rest from Automotive & technology divisions.

The cost cap means this is just the start of big layoffs from F1 teams.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-05-2020 4:28pm

ongarite wrote: »

70 from F1 staff, rest from Automotive & technology divisions.

The cost cap means this is just the start of big layoffs from F1 teams.

Ah OK. The 70 f1 staff I wouldn't worry too much about. Unfortunate for those individuals, of course. But the cost cap is necessary. Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes will need to lay off staff too. That's probably it though. The rest were always operating under or around the cost cap.

barryribs · 26-05-2020 4:41pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah OK. The 70 f1 staff I wouldn't worry too much about. Unfortunate for those individuals, of course. But the cost cap is necessary. Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes will need to lay off staff too. That's probably it though. The rest were always operating under or around the cost cap.

The only reason they are laying off staff is that they are not making money. Cost caps are myth. Staff will just move from Scuderia Ferrari to Ferrari. Whats to stop Mercedes investing in R&D for an energy recovery unit under the guise of using it in another series?

El_Duderino 09 · 26-05-2020 4:59pm

barryribs wrote: »

The only reason they are laying off staff is that they are not making money. Cost caps are myth. Staff will just move from Scuderia Ferrari to Ferrari. Whats to stop Mercedes investing in R&D for an energy recovery unit under the guise of using it in another series?

Very little to stop them doing that. There will be some oversight but there won't be very much. It will prevent them growing and will force them to lay off some staff. It's necessary though. It was silly with the top three being the only only ones being in contention for a win.

I suspect ferrari will need a bit more leeway with the laws. They're such a bad value for money team that they would likely struggle on a level playing field.

vectra · 26-05-2020 7:41pm

I was anticipating this with a long while, wonder will it go through?

Mick Schumacher tipped to replace Kimi at Alfa.

Harika · 26-05-2020 7:56pm

vectra wrote: »

I was anticipating this with a long while, wonder will it go through?

Mick Schumacher tipped to replace Kimi at Alfa.

Depends on his F2 season and if Kimi retires. So far he has one win, not good enough to be promoted to F1, without Schumacher in his name he would be no where.

vectra · 26-05-2020 8:00pm

Harika wrote: »

Depends on his F2 season and if Kimi retires. So far he has one win, not good enough to be promoted to F1, without Schumacher in his name he would be no where.

I absolutely agree with you on that one.:pac:

pjohnson · 26-05-2020 8:19pm

Harika wrote: »

Depends on his F2 season and if Kimi retires. So far he has one win, not good enough to be promoted to F1, without Schumacher in his name he would be no where.

Well Lando only had one win in his F2 career tbf. Not everyone needs to be an F2 champ to get to F1.

Harika · 26-05-2020 8:25pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Well Lando only had one win in his F2 career tbf. Not everyone needs to be an F2 champ to get to F1.

Lando was second in the championship in his first full season, Mick 11th.

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