Golf Lockdown Discussion No discussion of breaking Restrictions

callaway92 · 11-02-2021 12:00PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Thinly veiled I was too useless and cowardly to play it so I took up golf. Figures

wtf is this garbage kinda comment doing in this forum?

Ivefoundgod · 11-02-2021 12:10PM

The fact that an admitted "GAA man" thinks playing GAA is brave is the funniest thing I've read in a long while but it does sort of confirm that attitudes like that are common amongst "GAA men".

DuckSlice · 11-02-2021 12:19PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

I know Belmullet quite well and play golf up there every year. In fact I was talking to a man from there yesterday about the very topic. Belmullet has a lot of people living and working abroad and a lot of them came home for Christmas. It would not have many hotels so Broadhaven Bay served drinks with food and would have been seen as the epicentre of some outbreaks.

I'm very familiar with the area myself and live 40 minutes away.
I've heard plenty of stories about the hotels alright, it got seriously out of hand. My point was i don't know how that's related to the GAA.

If you're ever stuck for someone to play with give me a shout, unless its raining

Whiplash85 · 11-02-2021 12:51PM

etxp wrote: »

I'm very familiar with the area myself and live 40 minutes away.
I've heard plenty of stories about the hotels alright, it got seriously out of hand. My point was i don't know how that's related to the GAA.

If you're ever stuck for someone to play with give me a shout, unless its raining

It has nothing to do with GAA. He admitted he hated GAA. Didn't outline a reason except for falsehoods about GAA being responsible for outbreak in Belmullet. I have heard stories anecdotally from people there who never even mentioned GAA as reason for outbreak there instead mentioning other factors that are pointless ro bring into this discussion.

Anyway I will be up on the 4th of July for the 4 ball event run over 2 days. Might hit you up for a practice round if we ever get out of this mess.

Salvadoor · 11-02-2021 01:01PM

padmcv wrote: »

How on earth can the Taoiseach talk about extending a Level 5 lockdown for a second time AND, with a straight face, say he will head off to Washington on a jolly during it "if asked"?

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Because he has a brass neck and no shame. He doesn't care what the ordinary Joe Soap think, that his party is tanking in the opinion polls. He doesn't even care what his parliamentary party think of him. It has been a massive ego trip to become first Cork Taoiseach since Jack Lynch and he has probably dreamed about presenting a bowl of shamrock to POTUS since he was a boy at any cost.

I am sorry for the rant that has nothing to do with when we will be back playing golf but I have not felt this low at anytime over the last 12 months. It seems there is no hope.

It's a bilateral political meeting with the new President of the USA not a fcuking jolly.

Whiplash85 · 11-02-2021 01:05PM

Salvadoor wrote: »

It's a bilateral political meeting with the new President of the USA not a fcuking jolly.

That he can do via zoom.

Biden swore in his cabinet via zoom with their ceremonies on zoom too. I'm sure they would have like to have been there in person to shake his hand but we are in the midst of a global pandemic. MM should have the call via zoom too.

DuckSlice · 11-02-2021 01:06PM

Salvadoor wrote: »

It's a bilateral political meeting with the new President of the USA not a fcuking jolly.

Do you think they will get a round of golf in over there?

Salvadoor · 11-02-2021 01:08PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

That he can do via zoom.

Biden swore in his cabinet via zoom with their ceremonies on zoom too. I'm sure they would have like to have been there in person to shake his hand but we are in the midst of a global pandemic. MM should have the call via zoom too.

if Biden invites him; he goes, If Biden invites him to a zoom call; do a zoom call.

Its Biden's call not MM's

To call it a "jolly" is populist BS being propagated by the nutters (SF, PBP, Soc Dems etc)

Whiplash85 · 11-02-2021 01:12PM

Salvadoor wrote: »

if Biden invites him; he goes, If Biden invites him to a zoom call; do a zoom call.

Its Biden's call not MM's

To call it a "jolly" is populist BS being propagated by the nutters (SF, PBP, Soc Dems etc)

I never called it a jolly and I dont subscribe to views of those parties you identified. There is nothing he cant do or achieve on a call in much the same way as meeting him in person. People all around the world are collaborating on projects, implementing new software systems, launching new products etc from the comfort of their home. This should be no different.

downthemiddle · 11-02-2021 01:12PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

That he can do via zoom.

Biden swore in his cabinet via zoom with their ceremonies on zoom too. I'm sure they would have like to have been there in person to shake his hand but we are in the midst of a global pandemic. MM should have the call via zoom too.

MM travels to Europe on a regular basis. It is part of his job. We are the only country that has an annual invitation to the Whitehouse. It is a trip that has been used to secure multi national investment in this country. It has led to billions being invested in our economy. It is why the tradition continued during the Trump era.
There are many issues you could use to beat MM with. This is the wrong one.

Ivefoundgod · 11-02-2021 01:14PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

It has nothing to do with GAA. He admitted he hated GAA. Didn't outline a reason except for falsehoods about GAA being responsible for outbreak in Belmullet. I have heard stories anecdotally from people there who never even mentioned GAA as reason for outbreak there instead mentioning other factors that are pointless ro bring into this discussion.

I'll take this IT article over your anecdotal evidence to be honest with you where they specifically mention the All Ireland final as a cause.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/how-did-a-remote-mayo-town-become-ireland-s-most-covid-infected-place-1.4465431

Whiplash85 · 11-02-2021 01:17PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

MM travels to Europe on a regular basis. It is part of his job. We are the only country that has an annual invitation to the Whitehouse. It is a trip that has been used to secure multi national investment in this country. It has led to billions being invested in our economy. It is why the tradition continued during the Trump era.
There are many issues you could use to beat MM with. This is the wrong one.

What secures investment is the convoy, lobbyists and business leaders that go with him. The networking at the Gala dinners and balls. All those have been cancelled. Biden has a much better relationship/affinity with Ireland than any POTUS in living memory so I'm not sure there is a need to go over if a call could achieve the same thing. It is the message it sends out to a downtrodden nation whose morale is on the floor. Anyway it is the last point I will make about it because you have your view and I have mine and it is a golf forum afterall. They are other places to make these points I'm sure.

tyivpc5qjx0f2b · 11-02-2021 01:18PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

I never called it a jolly and I dont subscribe to views of those parties you identified. There is nothing he cant do or achieve on a call in much the same way as meeting him in person. People all around the world are collaborating on projects, implementing new software systems, launching new products etc from the comfort of their home. This should be no different.

They’re not the same.

By your logic, Biden should be setting up calls with Kim Jong-Un, Putin and potentially renegotiating the Nuclear Deal with Iran vi Zoom.

I’m not conflating MM’s visit as anything on the level of that but there are certain things that can’t be discussed via Zoom call. Let’s not pretend they’re not different

DuckSlice · 11-02-2021 01:20PM

This thread has gone way off topic lads....

Salvadoor · 11-02-2021 01:24PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/taoiseach-says-he-will-travel-to-washington-for-st-patrick-s-day-if-invited-1.4482034

Well it can be ended here. He'll go IF INVITED

Golfhead65 · 11-02-2021 01:37PM

Anyway lads, when do you think we'll be back playing golf and not talking politics

Slimity · 11-02-2021 02:02PM

Is it possible that Martin is talking about wider level 5 restrictions remaining til Easter while Varadkar is still correct in suggesting there may be minor adjustments for outdoor pursuits like golf etc from march 5th?

Pdoghue · 11-02-2021 02:09PM

Slimity wrote: »

Is it possible that Martin is talking about wider level 5 restrictions remaining til Easter while Varadkar is still correct in suggesting there may be minor adjustments for outdoor pursuits like golf etc from march 5th?

I think the situation is still quite fluid to be honest. They're obviously softening us up for a Level 5 extension to Easter, but stuff like golf could be allowed from mid March. If you remember last summer, the restriction end dates were pulled forward when the numbers improved.

Whiplash85 · 11-02-2021 02:20PM

Golfhead65 wrote: »

Anyway lads, when do you think we'll be back playing golf and not talking politics

The tone has shifted away from a "resilience and recovery plan for living with Covid" to a "managing the pandemic plan". It is quite a shift. If you listened to interview with Aine Wilson this morning it doesn't get any starker. the question was put to him "will you resist calls for opening up and bringing on a 4th wave or will you bottle it". I nearly crashed the car when I heard it framed that way.
So to answer your question it is impossible to say. I will still pay my membership but who knows when we will be back playing. I was optimistic after Varadkars comments the other day but it could be May or June now.

MorganIRL · 11-02-2021 02:25PM

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Hahahahaha. Well done on being a very brave, good little GAA/alter boy.

Joking aside, the GAA has "stepped up massively", in spreading Covid around the country. See Moycullen, Belmullet etc etc.

GAA had nothing to do with the spread of Covid in Belmullet, please get your facts right before sprouting lies.. not a big admirer of the organisation but these are lies your spreading.

ClutchIt · 11-02-2021 02:51PM

Salvadoor wrote: »

if Biden invites him; he goes, If Biden invites him to a zoom call; do a zoom call.

Its Biden's call not MM's

To call it a "jolly" is populist BS being propagated by the nutters (SF, PBP, Soc Dems etc)

And if Biden asks him to jump off a bridge?

MM is the leader of a sovereign nation, it is absolutely his call.

youcancallmeal · 11-02-2021 02:53PM

Slimity wrote: »

Is it possible that Martin is talking about wider level 5 restrictions remaining til Easter while Varadkar is still correct in suggesting there may be minor adjustments for outdoor pursuits like golf etc from march 5th?

One can only hope. Mental health is becoming/already is a major issue so it would make sense to open up low risk activities like golf. Unfortunately the government have repeatedly made illogical decisions during the pandemic though.

Ivefoundgod · 11-02-2021 03:04PM

I'm curious to know, if the government did allow golf with a max of 2 households as before on March 5th but with the 5km restrictions in place how many people here would break that restriction to travel to the course?

DuckSlice · 11-02-2021 03:14PM

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

I'm curious to know, if the government did allow golf with a max of 2 households as before on March 5th but with the 5km restrictions in place how many people here would break that restriction to travel to the course?

I'm 8km away from my course, one of the nearest shops to me is also in the same village as the golf course. I'll be allowed to go do some shopping but not play golf in the fresh air 500m from the shop. I'll probably be breaking the 5km.:eek:

willabur · 11-02-2021 03:15PM

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

I'm curious to know, if the government did allow golf with a max of 2 households as before on March 5th but with the 5km restrictions in place how many people here would break that restriction to travel to the course?

I didn't the last time and won't this time. When I go to play golf I don't want to have that feeling of whether i'll be caught by the guards or not. Have enough to worry about day to day without that

I do have a driving range close by so that should act as some kind of methadone for me

Ivefoundgod · 11-02-2021 03:55PM

etxp wrote: »

I'm 8km away from my course, one of the nearest shops to me is also in the same village as the golf course. I'll be allowed to go do some shopping but not play golf in the fresh air 500m from the shop. I'll probably be breaking the 5km.:eek:

Difficult to legislate for this scenario, my dad is in a similar situation in that his nearest supermarket is beyond 5km but his course is around 8/9km the opposite direction. If he was stopped he'd struggle to come up with a valid reason to be travelling that direction when there's no shops other than garages in between. It's not really fair but I'll be telling him to stay put for now.

The issue I'd have is there were people on here, on twitter and Facebook who were openly saying they would be ignoring the rules. If that happens the 5th of March how long before there is a story in the papers about some eejit travelling 50km to play golf, we'll be back to locked down in no time. I'm hoping people have more sense this time than to flout the rules but I doubt it.

blue note · 11-02-2021 04:12PM

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

I'm curious to know, if the government did allow golf with a max of 2 households as before on March 5th but with the 5km restrictions in place how many people here would break that restriction to travel to the course?

The last time around I had to go outside of my 5k to get to the course. The entire course was within my 5k, but for about 2 minutes on the way there I was outside of my limit. It wasn't a grey area, I simply broke the rule. So I can't claim to be an angel in all of this. It was certainly at the lesser end of rule breaks, but it was a clear break.

But once they're open, golfers will be ignoring the 5k limit, ignoring the max of 2 households, ignoring the travel alone rule, etc. Not all golfers and not all to the same degrees, but it will be happening all over the country.

Ivefoundgod · 11-02-2021 04:39PM

blue note wrote: »

The last time around I had to go outside of my 5k to get to the course. The entire course was within my 5k, but for about 2 minutes on the way there I was outside of my limit. It wasn't a grey area, I simply broke the rule. So I can't claim to be an angel in all of this. It was certainly at the lesser end of rule breaks, but it was a clear break.

My father broke it the last time, roughly 3km over the 5km limit to get to it but as I said I'll be telling him to stay put this time not that he'll listen.

blue note wrote: »

But once they're open, golfers will be ignoring the 5k limit, ignoring the max of 2 households, ignoring the travel alone rule, etc. Not all golfers and not all to the same degrees, but it will be happening all over the country.

This is the crux of the issue and is the reason we are where we are, its why people making the argument that golf is safe is irrelevant, its never the golf that is the issue its the activities around it that cause the problem. Travelling in groups ,playing with 4 households etc. are what will cause issues. Its the same with every sport to be honest and its why those people arguing that there's been no outbreaks linked to golf or GAA or whatever are way off.

Russman · 11-02-2021 04:51PM

blue note wrote: »

The last time around I had to go outside of my 5k to get to the course. The entire course was within my 5k, but for about 2 minutes on the way there I was outside of my limit. It wasn't a grey area, I simply broke the rule. So I can't claim to be an angel in all of this. It was certainly at the lesser end of rule breaks, but it was a clear break.

But once they're open, golfers will be ignoring the 5k limit, ignoring the max of 2 households, ignoring the travel alone rule, etc. Not all golfers and not all to the same degrees, but it will be happening all over the country.

Is the rule 5km driving, 5km walking or 5km as the crow flies ? (genuinely wondering)
eg not golf related but for example a relative of mine lives 5.2km by car from me but only 3km to walk it. if you google 5km from home a website will give you a 5km radius on a map which you could argue covers you (maybe).

kippy · 11-02-2021 04:52PM

Russman wrote: »

Is the rule 5km driving, 5km walking or 5km as the crow flies ? (genuinely wondering)

As the crow flies.
https://2kmfromhome.com/5km
You can in theory, drive, walk, cycle, crawl many more than 5 K, so long as you remain within that 5k radius.

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