Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

Good result for Shamrocks in Intermediate hurling tonight. Western championship is by far and away the most competitive competition.

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Who were they playing? Who played well?

They beat Ardmore 16pts to 13 I think. Wasn't at it myself only saw result on twitter. Think Colm Roche was injured though so even better result for Shamrocks if true. Peter Queally unbeaten in championship in both divisions so far

Mountainlad wrote: »

Passage lost to Ballygunner in their last group game when they won the championship. Doing a good job there though, was told during the week by somone from Ballinameela that he reckoned Shamrocks would win the West.

Be close, I don't think there's much of a difference between Shamrocks, Clashmore and Ballysaggart....Ring are always gonna be tough to beat also. Tourin with the 3 Fives's back playing together...it's very difficult to pick a winner

Modeligo also, but are they after losing the 2 Walsh's? Thomas and Pa....their 2 midfielders from last year

The two lads who did the preview for the league final with Allianz, Paudie and Lorcan McLoughlin are both out for the entire Championship campaign. Coincidence? I think not...

Allianz we're onto you!

crottysfac wrote: »

Limerick 10/11 v Clare 11/10 . Paddy Power betting.

Any one of Kilkenny, Tipperary, Limerick, Clare, Dublin or Waterford can win the All Ireland this year in my opinion. Plenty of other people will argue Cork should be on that list and perhaps in such an open year Galway and Wexford should not be overlooked but I have it between the six I mentioned and two of them meet tomorrow.

This could be one hell of a game between two of the forgotten teams. Limerick were well in control of their semi final with Kilkenny last year until the thunderstorm seemed to unsettle them and of course Eoin Larkin's goal. I thought Limerick were very unlucky. They have had a very low key preparation for this fixture and are fancied by many to win. Apparently they have been tailoring their training and tactics to cope with the Clare gameplan which in many ways is similar to Waterford's.

Clare looked as if they could dominate the Championship for years after their win against Cork two years ago. Expertly handled under 21 teams created a conveyor belt of talent for senior manager Davy Fitzgerald but he has not built on that success. He has become embroiled in one controversy after another which has sucked some of the confidence out of his payers leading to relegation in the league campaign. Davy could be looking at the end game if they exit the Championship early this time round.

The one thing Fitzgerald has got right in the last few weeks is his total absence from the media and press pages. No talk of player unrest or bullying, just quiet as it should be. That could make Clare a very dangerous opponent today.

It will be a fascinating game and one which is as close as the betting suggests. After much deliberation I will plump for the team with the least baggage, Limerick.

Dublin will in time but are very young in transition with a game plan based on possession orientated style but have all Ireland proven coach and the outstanding ed coughlan from mayo football but a cork man


Waterford are not imo even close to all Ireland contenders as daly even didn't even have them beat cork in the paper today
And he blew open this myth waterford style is new
It's not and I said this before all it is is copycat other previous styles


As for baggage your imo completely wrong in limerick have less baggage then clare they haven't won since seventy three and never performance in croke park in minor or club or senior any description last few years so I can't fathom any logic how clare three under twenty one all Irelands and minor lost only point great kk minor team and won seniors all Irelands more baggage limerick
That's with respect a complete load of nonsense limerick have less baggage than clare

Liam sheedy Said it today clare players backing Davy was no way players pressures but their own choice and with o connell coming back and apologies to panel and galvin and Colin Ryan and o donnell all saying Davy is fine imo they all belive in him

Limerick I feel have with stronger team and team reaching peak years huge pressure tomorrow and unlike clsre who are missing a load can't afford to loose
It's imo win or bust for limerick and indeed Ryan
Clare with fit panel could bounce back
I slightly expect limerick to win as the team as I said is excellent team named but I still await be convinced they can play sweeper game effective but due clare injury worries I give them a hessiant vote to limerick but not for the reasons you say

Limerick have their own controversy with this week claims of politics within by the mother of a panel player and unlike clsre it happened so soon it represent challenge to solve so soon
I can't believe this nonsense that everybody copies waterford style
Limerick are copying clare style
Clare had this style before waterford two years ago but a way more fluid attacking style with more guile cohesion and elegance that waterford attacking wise have yet to prove and when they score like clsre high returns two weeks in a row v KK and like two years ago they they can claim to be like them

Galway had exactly the same style as Waterford in 2012 and waterford were defensive under Davy
Waterford have not invented or evolved hurling despite this myth some have imo

This talk the thunderstorm affected limerick as if to say it helped kk imo is such nonsense in limerick normally thrive with their physical game in these conditions while kk who played at a breathtaking pace in the all Ireland finals up a considerable notch from the limerick game would if it was dry have won by a few points
Limerick were at full peak but kk no where near the all Ireland final performance still won
Too much is made of the kk game imo from a limerick view

crottys lake wrote: »

I am glad I called the game right today and the best team won on the day. There are several points to make for meaningful discussion which I might go into later on but I must say something about Davy Fitzgerald.

I am genuinely worried and concerned for Davy. That interview made very uncomfortable watching and in fact was almost distressing. He looks to be under terrible strain and in fairness his answers or attempted brush offs of Claire McNamara were bordering on the ridiculous. Duignan correctly called it straight after the game when Davy went to berate the referee. This is an all too familiar pattern. I said last night here about the 'baggage' and it manifested itself again today with another red card and wholesale indiscipline from the Care outfit. It is incredible to think of the talent that is in Clare even with all the players that are now marking themselves absent from Davy's set up. They should have driven on to win after levelling late on in the game but the manager immediately withdrew another forward and Limerick punished that mistake with telling effect.

Davy's comments about being in the job for another ''few years'' might not rest well with the Clare public or indeed his panel after yet another Championship defeat especially with the abundance of talent that has been prepared for him by successive winning under 21 management teams. The loss of Kinnerk and his influence is glaring.

Davy will need support now from his closest friends because the backlash in his county will be severe. His health should come first and while there will be a few predictable ridiculous replies to this post like the one to my prediction last night I will just take no notice.

Limerick have now decided to join the 'system' but didn't play it that well. They will improve and be a huge threat to Tipperary. I will certainly be going to that match.

My long term fancy for Munster, our own Waterford at 10/1, will no doubt need to watch a ferocious backlash from Cork and I am going to go into detail as to how Cork will attempt to defeat us in the coming weeks. A few doubts grew in my mind during the week about that game but they are receding and I think we will take them. Incredibly we are still 6/1 tonight whilst Cork are 2/1 , work that one out !!!

You mention that you are worried about Davy. I personally feel that he draws all this onto himself. Why do we always end up talking about Davy after matches? Because comes on for after game interviews and try's to be clever. If he just answered the questions today instead of going around the houses and more or less answering the questions anyway there wouldn't be half the fuss.
How is it every other inter county manager can be interviewed after the game and doesn't become the main story.
The GAA needs characters like Davy but he can't become a caricature of himself and expect people to forgive his ramblings.
Personally I feel he is stifling the growth of this Clare team and trying to defend 3 sendings off in their last 3 championship matches on poor refereeing decisions is weak management. He should be clamping down on that and by protecting Donnellan by saying that there is nothing wrong with Donal O Grady is poor. Donnellan struck out twice in front of the ref and linesman yet Davy still thinks he shouldn't have been sent off. Incredible.

Having watched the game today a few things can be taken from it. Nothing to fear against that Limerick performance as i believe if we do meet them we should be confident of beating them. Clare,if Buglar and McGrath are back,will be dangerous in the qualifiers but no world beaters either. Our fellas should have enough confidence at this stage to be relishing the chance of winning Munster and while O Mahoney is a huge loss i still think we'll have enough about us to beat Cork. Tipp i would be afraid of but they have their own problems of having to go to the Gaelic grounds to beat Limerick which they definitely won't fancy. 6/1 is a tremendous price or an insult depending on what way you look at it.

crottys lake wrote: »

I am glad I called the game right today and the best team won on the day. There are several points to make for meaningful discussion which I might go into later on but I must say something about Davy Fitzgerald.

I am genuinely worried and concerned for Davy. That interview made very uncomfortable watching and in fact was almost distressing. He looks to be under terrible strain and in fairness his answers or attempted brush offs of Claire McNamara were bordering on the ridiculous. Duignan correctly called it straight after the game when Davy went to berate the referee. This is an all too familiar pattern. I said last night here about the 'baggage' and it manifested itself again today with another red card and wholesale indiscipline from the Care outfit. It is incredible to think of the talent that is in Clare even with all the players that are now marking themselves absent from Davy's set up. They should have driven on to win after levelling late on in the game but the manager immediately withdrew another forward and Limerick punished that mistake with telling effect.

Davy's comments about being in the job for another ''few years'' might not rest well with the Clare public or indeed his panel after yet another Championship defeat especially with the abundance of talent that has been prepared for him by successive winning under 21 management teams. The loss of Kinnerk and his influence is glaring.

Davy will need support now from his closest friends because the backlash in his county will be severe. His health should come first and while there will be a few predictable ridiculous replies to this post like the one to my prediction last night I will just take no notice.

Limerick have now decided to join the 'system' but didn't play it that well. They will improve and be a huge threat to Tipperary. I will certainly be going to that match.

My long term fancy for Munster, our own Waterford at 10/1, will no doubt need to watch a ferocious backlash from Cork and I am going to go into detail as to how Cork will attempt to defeat us in the coming weeks. A few doubts grew in my mind during the week about that game but they are receding and I think we will take them. Incredibly we are still 6/1 tonight whilst Cork are 2/1 , work that one out !!!

I would totally totally respect your right to opinion however id disagree with parts of your posts and your obviously saying you won't reply my post fair enough that's your choice but with the greatest respect I won't mind too much when your only really posting since waterford got semi final league so I'm sure you will understand and appreciate my unfamiliar knowledge your posts in your posts very new so compared lot other long term waterford posters here I probably won't take much in to you not replying to some posts just yet as posting when waterford winning is fine but it's always good see posters view when a team looses also
Like a manager in you judge them in victory and in defeat



like myself you called the game correctly and congratulations, but I said it be close before the game and I had doubts regards the ability limerick management tactically have and even a lot of limerick lads on their thread felt lot poor poor tactics and moves by limerick management were poor and I feel limerick were lucky to win and could easily lost and with mcgrath galvin or bulger would beaten limerick or even with full team at the start of the second half would have won

You would be correct regards discipline is a problem but like I said before the game the baggage was no problem and it proved so in no problem with the camp as team man down never gave up and played to the end and showed huge unity within and like v KK twice if was problems in team under manager wouldn't happened


You say you feel worried for Davy
Fair enough if you do and it's good to see but your imo making a very very big call to suggest he's under serious strain health wise and suggesting it'd affect him in you say he has strain when imo all managers intercounty show strain even cody and others and they had like Davy yes health issues regard cody and himself had work done regards their heart but didn't affect them in management
Davy is young and fit and imo didn't show any real strain in he's so passionate he was gutted after the match but regards the interview he was mellow in he could hardly go all out attack as if so people would complain so it's no when imo for him
He brushed off the interview as rightly so he was bring thrown the bait for a reaction as they know it's big news
He is smart and was right and was brilliant absolutely brilliant in praising he's team efforts and commitment and he didn't blame them but how he was so so so proud of he's team
Truly passionate and filled with compassion and pride imo

He was giving he's view and right regards some referee decisions but the man sent off was the correct call he had to go

You may know about Waterford fair enough but to suggest you know how cork will plan beat waterford as if you you know their plan sorry now but that's hardly correct now as I can guarantee you cork plan beat waterford is well kept secret and haven't been back training that much really since the final
Cork have injuries and Waterford are likely to possibly win but cork plan is kept secret as clearly shown by second half v Waterford when cork played long ball after ball on waterford half back line yet cork out thought clare double half forward line last year

Kinnerk loss you are correct is a huge loss but he said he's coming back next year and galvin also likely this year so two have huge belief in Davy and you should read ryan galvin and donnell interview praising davvy and even Liam sheedy also saying panel clare fully support Davy as have daly and jamsie o Connor etc
If you want me post links some those interviews for you to read I'd be happy to do so you can see huge support the panel have for him


Panel certainly belive in him and they showed that today and imo Davy won't be going anywhere as he's dad is chairman and he's sister in the supporters club and also if Davy is forced out people forget that daly o Connor kinnerk would unlikely take over over Davy head so there's no proven good coach outside them to take the job

Davy is the last man standing in a sense in he's last two counties he managed in he's the only and last man in fifty years or so to do what others could not do and get waterford to an all Ireland final and the last manager in clare win all Ireland and in clare hurling only second to the great great ger louganne so I think while yes he's unpopular he's record is outstanding and with lit also and always improved any team lucky to have him imo

If he gets a fit panel and improves the discipline they will take a serious team to beat them in championship paticularly in croke park as limerick and Waterford traditionally don't have great records in croke park

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

A very reasoned and balanced post with some points I'd agree with
You have a point to say it's unfair to say clare system was copied but imo it's unfairly equally for some to say waterford system is new when it's not really bran new to be fair

We protect our fullback by dropping Tadgh de Burca or sometimes Gleeson in front of Coughlan which is what Clare and some other teams have done. We also see some of the Waterford half forwards defending in our own half backline a bit like what Eoin Larkin was praised for over the last number of years. The rucks that form around the middle third and then the quick break with multiple runners off the ball is very Clare like alright although Clare with a full panel have more players suited to this style. IMO though Clare always have to have drop an extra player back to protect their full backline as their corner backs especially are average at best whereas Waterford have Connors, Fives and Daniels who don't need the same amount of protection as the Clare corner backs. I believe in time (maybe next year) Waterford will stop dropping an extra player in front of our full back. Although i would say that McGrath will always want his half forward line to drop back towards midfield/halfback line.

Waterford are a work in progress no doubt and if we beat Cork we still can't say we have arrived but if Cork beat us that also doesn't mean that we are all hype either. We won't know how good we are until we play either Tipp or more so Kilkenny in the championship. You have to be realistic with such a young team so if Waterford could get to an all Ireland semi final that would be a huge year for us and then build on that for next year. Really looking forward to June the 7th now hopefully the sod is dry for both teams sake.

I wonder is the Darragh Fives calf injury secondary to the hamstring problems he is having. Seems to be unlikely to feature prominently this year which is a real shame. To be down 2 vice captains is a big blow. That's the expected Center Back and Center Forward out now, not many counties would overcome that.
However there is good news I believe on Maurice Shanahan and he may be ok for Cork. Patrick Curran and Conor Gleeson are two other additions. I did think Conor Gleeson was just on the football panel but he may be on both. Curran and Gleeson's involvement in the training camp may be just to facilitate a Senior v U-21 challenge (that game on tomorrow I think) Will they make the bench v Cork I dunno, doubt it.
There probably won't be much change in the line up from the League Final.
Tomas Connors and Donie Breathnach could do a job at 11, Paudie Prender or Daniels could come in at wing with Austin Gleeson moving up and then there is Martin O Neill who can hit frees. My guess would be to fit in Brian O halloran in the forward unit and keep disruption to a minimum.
for Cork I see Brian Murphy is back, I wonder did that cause Mullane to twitch a little..

If he was togged off he must be ok.

Let hope to se him at some stage Saturday Night then

3ships wrote: »

U-21 team guess

Barry

McNulty-Shane Roche-Conor Gleeson

Aussie-Burke-MOB

Harney-Devine

Shane Bennet-DJ Foran-Dunford

Patrick Curran-Steven Bennett-Mikey Kearney


Dunno how Conor Murray and Donnelly are fixed

Cormac Curran, Kieran Power, Kieran Bennett, Tommy Waring among others

Shane Roche and Tommy Waring overage. I presume you mean Colm Roche. Conor Murray not on panel. Ryan Donnelly going well.

cascade12 wrote: »

Shane Roche is not u21. I wish he was.

Fair enough, just thinking back to the minor team 2012 and probably got mixed up with Jason Roche, Colm Roche is another strong candidate of course

https://www.facebook.com/gaawaterford/photos/pcb.840434342707278/840434142707298/?type=1&theater
Who are the players behind Patrick Curran at the front? Is it Ryan Donnelly and Shane Bennett?

3ships wrote: »

Might have been thrown by some of the U-21 trial games where sometimes a senior panelist was used to get a run but pretty sure Shane Roche is U-21

Shane Roche is overage this year

thegambler2 wrote: »

Shane Roche is overage this year

Ye got that wrong.

Was trying to pick a team based on recent challenge. I'd probably pick meself Tadgh Bourke FB just to cut out any nonense back there like last year and Austin Gleeson CB and build from there and Donnelly if going well to come in.

No matter how good this team is it'll be difficult to win an All Ireland
with these fixtures

Cork away
CLare away
Tipp/Limerick Munster Final
Galway
Kilkenny/Wexford

They really only have the week and a half between the Cork games to prepare

Did anyone go to the open training session last night?