Seems like a good deal on coal....

OmegaGene · 26-09-2018 8:55pm

john_doe. wrote: »

Thanks I found these ones good in stove , but burned way too quick in open fire.
I looked at the Facebook page of coal warehouse and there was a post also praising these guys who deliver to southern Ireland.
I've contacted them for price.
Probably not the cheapest but seems good quality and cheaper than where I buy locally

http://thedandys.ie

Have you tried supertherm ovoids
They can be sourced locally for €18 a bag and no need to take a gamble on a pallet of gear

john_doe. · 26-09-2018 8:59pm

bigron2109 wrote: »

Was onto Coal Direct today and speaking to a nice lad called Kieran. He said the Coalite is tbe very same as the large ovoids from Easyglow which I got this year . At £329 that works out at €368 a ton so still cheaper than Easyglow.

The other option he said is Maxibrite which is £349 a ton and that works out at €390 a ton. Both of these prices include free delivery too.

Don't see these prices or coal types on their website?

Rows Grower · 26-09-2018 10:17pm

There's a lot of good value around, probably thanks to this thread.

On the flip side there was a half page ad in the Kerryman this morning from North Cork Creameries advertising a promotion they are doing at the moment;

Only 410 euro for a ton of polish coal collected from the yard!

OmegaGene · 26-09-2018 10:19pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

There's a lot of good value around, probably thanks to this thread.

On the flip side there was a half page ad in the Kerryman this morning from North Cork Creameries advertising a promotion they are doing at the moment;

Only 410 euro for a ton of polish coal collected from the yard!

Better shopping local imo
You can try a bag first and see how it is and if there’s a problem with a bulk order it’s easier to resolve

Rows Grower · 26-09-2018 10:32pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Better shopping local imo
You can try a bag first and see how it is and if there’s a problem with a bulk order it’s easier to resolve

I'm all about supporting local when it is practical but last week I got a half ton of polish coal delivered from the north for 120 euro, also had a half ton of ovoids on the same pallet that cost 164 euro including delivery.

Got an extra 3 pallets from the truck driver too so plenty kindling thrown in.

I'd want to take out a mortgage to buy the same amount in my local supplier, a Mace shop.

OmegaGene · 26-09-2018 10:56pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

I'm all about supporting local when it is practical but last week I got a half ton of polish coal delivered from the north for 120 euro, also had a half ton of ovoids on the same pallet that cost 164 euro including delivery.

Got an extra 3 pallets from the truck driver too so plenty kindling thrown in.

I'd want to take out a mortgage to buy the same amount in my local supplier, a Mace shop.

I wouldn’t burn polish coal ever again
Poor heat and loads of cinders and crap left the next morning
Supertherm ovoids for me all the way from now on, the stove is red hot hear still from this morning

Berberis · 27-09-2018 8:52pm

Got an email from coal direct around 10:45am informing me that my order had been shipped.
Got a call at 3:30pm from delivery driver to let me know he be delivering to me in approx 2 hours.
Coal arrived just after 5pm and pallet left exactly where I needed it
So. Handy the coal being in 25 kg bags for me to lift in to final position. Opened a bag to have a look and quality appears good but will know tomorrow night when I burn some

john_doe. · 27-09-2018 9:48pm

Read through alot of this thread now.
From what I can see the best coal out there seems to be agrina ecorite or the Supertherm stuff, am I correct in this ?

It also seems very difficult to actually determine what the constitutes of the coal are .

I noticed on my Boru stove (35kw) it actually sais not to use coal as main fuel source.

TheRiverman · 27-09-2018 9:50pm

Foggy Jew wrote: »

Coalisland, Co Tyrone. The crowd are called Coal Warehouse & if you like and share their FB page, you get 2 bags free. (As opposed to 3 bags full... :-P )

Where else could it be,but in Coalisland

vectra · 28-09-2018 1:46am

If it is of any benefit to any member here.
I used the easyglow ovoids last year, Both sizes.
They were great,

This season I have tried some Supertherm, So far I can feel a huge difference in both heat output and burn time.
Supertherm outshines any other ovoids i have burned.
I will be ordering a tonne of Supertherm.
I would suggest anyone that wants to try ovoids to first go to their local depot and get a bag or two of supertherm to try.

Roen · 28-09-2018 7:40am

vectra wrote: »

If it is of any benefit to any member here.
I used the easyglow ovoids last year, Both sizes.
They were great,

This season I have tried some Supertherm, So far I can feel a huge difference in both heat output and burn time.
Supertherm outshines any other ovoids i have burned.
I will be ordering a tonne of Supertherm.
I would suggest anyone that wants to try ovoids to first go to their local depot and get a bag or two of supertherm to try.

From Kosy King? Seems that every second manufacturer has a product called Supertherm.

john_doe. · 28-09-2018 7:56am

vectra wrote: »

If it is of any benefit to any member here.
I used the easyglow ovoids last year, Both sizes.
They were great,

This season I have tried some Supertherm, So far I can feel a huge difference in both heat output and burn time.
Supertherm outshines any other ovoids i have burned.
I will be ordering a tonne of Supertherm.
I would suggest anyone that wants to try ovoids to first go to their local depot and get a bag or two of supertherm to try.

Where you buying the ton from?

Bazzy · 28-09-2018 9:17am

I bought a Ton of Superflame off Coal Direct

They mailed me yesterday very sorry to inform me they only had 20kg bags and would the be acceptable

Waiting on delivery will let you know how I get on.

vectra · 28-09-2018 9:22am

Roen wrote: »

From Kosy King? Seems that every second manufacturer has a product called Supertherm.

john_doe. wrote: »

Where you buying the ton from?

Sorry
I should have specified..
I am buying it from my local Dairygold Store.

I get 2x40kg bags for €37.99
I will get a Tonne for €450
https://www.coopsuperstores.ie/Fuel--Heating/Solid-Fuel/Smokeless-Coal/Supertherm-Smokeless-Fuel-40kg-Bag-0052082

john_doe. · 28-09-2018 9:35am

vectra wrote: »

Sorry
I should have specified..
I am buying it from my local Dairygold Store.

I get 2x40kg bags for €37.99
I will get a Tonne for €450
https://www.coopsuperstores.ie/Fuel--Heating/Solid-Fuel/Smokeless-Coal/Supertherm-Smokeless-Fuel-40kg-Bag-0052082

A ton delivered?

vectra · 28-09-2018 9:36am

john_doe. wrote: »

A ton delivered?

Yes.

Sasso · 28-09-2018 9:55am

A ton of this works out at €417 delivered. And very good reviews I think, not far off supertherm, unless I'm contradicted by someone experienced here.

https://staffordclarke.ie/product/superglow-smokeless-coal-40-kg/

28-09-2018 9:58am

I collected a ton of Staffords Superior Coal (silver bags) yesterday from a local supplier in Wexford for €445.

They were looking for €25 delivery but as its only 15 mins away and the fact that Im in need of a losing a few pounds I opted to collect it.

By my calculations ordering ovoids from the North would have been €380. Im happy to pay the little extra for coal that I know from previous use as being of great quality with terrific heat and decent burn time. In my opinion I have found it superior to the ovoids.

All set now....just wish it would get cold enough so I can start lighting the stove!!!

Tinder Surprise · 28-09-2018 10:00am

TheTorment wrote: »

I collected a ton of Staffords Superior Coal (silver bags) yesterday from a local supplier in Wexford for €445.

They were looking for €25 delivery but as its only 15 mins away and the fact that Im in need of a losing a few pounds I opted to collect it.

By my calculations ordering ovoids from the North would have been €380. Im happy to pay the little extra for coal that I know from previous use as being of great quality with terrific heat and decent burn time. In my opinion I have found it superior to the ovoids.

All set now....just wish it would get cold enough so I can start lighting the stove!!!

Have you ever used C.W ovoids? If so, i would appreciate if you could let me know how the this coal compares, as I reckon I will be looking for an alternative come my next tonne order.

28-09-2018 10:03am

Tinder Surprise wrote: »

Have you ever used C.W ovoids? If so, i would appreciate if you could let me know how the this coal compares, as I reckon I will be looking for an alternative come my next tonne order.

Yes I was using the CW ovoids for the past few years. In my opinion the Staffords lights easier, and the heat and burn time is very similar if not better. The only difference is that there are a few cinders left in the morning compared to the ovoids burning out to ash. Not a problem though as I just use the cinders when starting the next fire.

Tinder Surprise · 28-09-2018 10:08am

TheTorment wrote: »

Yes I was using the CW ovoids for the past few years. In my opinion the Staffords lights easier, and the heat and burn time is very similar if not better. The only difference is that there are a few cinders left in the morning compared to the ovoids burning out to ash. Not a problem though as I just use the cinders when starting the next fire.

cheers mate.

will more than likely give them a whirl when on my next order

OmegaGene · 28-09-2018 2:27pm

This is the supertherm I’m using and it’s mighty stuff

http://www.cplfuels.ie/products/supertherm-smokeless-coal

john_doe. · 28-09-2018 4:22pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

This is the supertherm I’m using and it’s mighty stuff

http://www.cplfuels.ie/products/supertherm-smokeless-coal

Do you burn it in a stove or open fire ?

john_doe. · 28-09-2018 4:36pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

This is the supertherm I’m using and it’s mighty stuff

http://www.cplfuels.ie/products/supertherm-smokeless-coal

This is the deal in my local co-op.
I'll go with this , not much price difference to north.

Is the Supertherm better than the Argina Cosyglow for open fires.

Alos any one know how the stoveheat premium compares to the Supertherm ?

OmegaGene · 28-09-2018 5:00pm

john_doe. wrote: »

Do you burn it in a stove or open fire ?

Stove

john_doe. · 28-09-2018 6:14pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Stove

Thanks , I was wondering what the stoveheat premium was in comparison, seems to be targeted for stoves from CPL as well.

OmegaGene · 28-09-2018 6:25pm

john_doe. wrote: »

Thanks , I was wondering what the stoveheat premium was in comparison, seems to be targeted for stoves from CPL as well.

I tried that once and wasn’t overly impressed
All you ca do is try some before making a big order

deisedav · 28-09-2018 8:47pm

john_doe. wrote: »

This is the deal in my local co-op.
I'll go with this , not much price difference to north.

Is the Supertherm better than the Argina Cosyglow for open fires.

Alos any one know how the stoveheat premium compares to the Supertherm ?

I would say the supertherm would pip the cosyglow for an open fire as it lasts a bit longer.

john_doe. · 28-09-2018 8:56pm

deisedav wrote: »

I would say the supertherm would pip the cosyglow for an open fire as it lasts a bit longer.

Below is the makeup of the coal , may explain why :-)
I actually thought PET coal was very bad for stoves , seems to be a lot in these . The argina Ecobrite seems to just be anthracite.

Cosyglo Argina
comprise anthracite (as to approximately 35 to 50% of the total weight), petroleum coke (up to approximately 45% of the total weight), bituminous coal (up to approximately 20% of the total weight) and a starch or other organic binder (up to 5% of the total weight)

Supertherm CPL
comprise anthracite fines (as to approximately 40 to 65% of the total weight), petroleum coke (as to approximately 20 to 40% of the total weight), bituminous coal (as to approximately 0 to 20% of the total weight), biomass (as to approximately 5 to 20% of the total weight), biomass char (as to approximately 0 to 10% of the total weight) and an organic binder or, molasses and acid binder (as to a maximum of 20% of the total weight)

Argina Ecobrite
comprise anthracite fines (as to approximately 96% of the total weight) and starch as binder (as to the remaining weight)

https://smokecontrol.defra.gov.uk/fuels.php

soap1978 · 28-09-2018 9:06pm

john_doe. wrote: »

Below is the makeup of the coal , may explain why :-)
I actually thought PET coal was very bad for stoves , seems to be a lot in these . The argina Ecobrite seems to just be anthracite.

Cosyglo Argina
comprise anthracite (as to approximately 35 to 50% of the total weight), petroleum coke (up to approximately 45% of the total weight), bituminous coal (up to approximately 20% of the total weight) and a starch or other organic binder (up to 5% of the total weight)

Supertherm CPL
comprise anthracite fines (as to approximately 40 to 65% of the total weight), petroleum coke (as to approximately 20 to 40% of the total weight), bituminous coal (as to approximately 0 to 20% of the total weight), biomass (as to approximately 5 to 20% of the total weight), biomass char (as to approximately 0 to 10% of the total weight) and an organic binder or, molasses and acid binder (as to a maximum of 20% of the total weight)

Argina Ecobrite
comprise anthracite fines (as to approximately 96% of the total weight) and starch as binder (as to the remaining weight)

https://smokecontrol.defra.gov.uk/fuels.php

so ecobrite is the best coal out of the 3 to buy?

john_doe. · 28-09-2018 9:39pm

soap1978 wrote: »

so ecobrite is the best coal out of the 3 to buy?

Starnge it uses so much Anthracite. That should generate some serious heat.

I also find odd about these products , is their high content of PET coke.
My stove manual warns against high content PET coke products as below.

Maybe I'm not intrepreting this correctly.

6. FUEL GUIDELINES
 This Boru Stove is fitted with a multi-fuel grate, which means that fuels such as; seasoned
wood, peat (both with a moisture content of less than 20%) and peat briquettes. Coal can
be used in moderation. But NEVER burn coal as a primary fuel.
 DO NOT use fuels with a high calorific value, petroleum coke content and/or petroleum
based products.

Petroleum coke has a very high carbon content and is virtually ash free. Ash plays an
important role when fuel burns as it helps to modify the combustion process e.g. the fire
bed temperature forms an insulating layer at the base of the fire to protect the grate from
direct contact with the burning fuel. With such low ash content in petroleum coke the fuel
tends to burn at a higher temperature than mineral fuels. The components of solid fuel
burning appliances are not generally designed to cope with the intensity of the heat that is
generated by the burning of petroleum coke based fuels. High petroleum coke products
are not as strong as approved fuels and are very prone to splitting causing hot embers to
be ejected from the stove or causing a second burn in the ash pan, this could lead to an
unsafe condition. High petroleum coke products can produce excessive soot deposits
because of incomplete combustion due to high moisture, leading to a risk of fire in the
chimney or liners. Burning petroleum based fuels will push your stove beyond it’s design
capability. This will over fire your stove and void your extended warranty.

Discodog · 29-09-2018 9:43am

soap1978 wrote: »

so ecobrite is the best coal out of the 3 to buy?

Ecobrite is the best stove fuel by a mile. You can turn the air right down & get a long controlled burn.

The warnings are because, if you accidentally left the air open, it could melt the grate in the stove.

OmegaGene · 29-09-2018 9:59am

Discodog wrote: »

Ecobrite is the best stove fuel by a mile. You can turn the air right down & get a long controlled burn.

The warnings are because, if you accidentally left the air open, it could melt the grate in the stove.

That exact thing happened to a friend of mine last season using the supertherm ovoids, he had the air open to light the fire then filled it up and went out, grate was warped and a crack appeared at the back of the stove
When the stove company came out they gave him a telling off but replaced it because it shouldn’t have cracked.
My stove is only a small one so I don’t need many ovoids in it and keep the air turned off, I lit the stove the other day and had to open the windows and back door lol it was roasting.

john_doe. · 29-09-2018 10:15am

Discodog wrote: »

Ecobrite is the best stove fuel by a mile. You can turn the air right down & get a long controlled burn.

The warnings are because, if you accidentally left the air open, it could melt the grate in the stove.

What you think makes Ecobrite the best stovefuel.
Is it the composition of Anthracite? I'm guessing Anthracite is quite pricy . The other coals seem to mix PET etc..

End of day suppose it's about what's in the coal itself and science of it.
We think heat , big ovoids etc, but guess we should be more concerned what's actually in it.

A coal may be hot but could also be destroying a stove

vicwatson · 29-09-2018 10:41am

Is there anything to be said for a bargain at all at all?

john_doe. · 29-09-2018 10:59am

vicwatson wrote: »

Is there anything to be said for a bargain at all at all?

Sorry off topic.

Up north it looks like coalite from what I can see.
With CW price increase and shipping increase and also Easyglow increases doesn't seem as much of cost saving this year.

I'll be going with the co-op myself , for sake of 20-30 euro it's just easier , they are down road from me . I've saved €30 on my oil anyway thanks to the Topoil promo.

OmegaGene · 29-09-2018 11:09am

local fuel supplier star fuels Mitchelstown and clonmel
20 x 40kg supertherm ovoids €368
5 x 25kg bales of coal briquettes (rekord) €45
Delivery coming tuesday

john_doe. · 29-09-2018 11:11am

OmegaGene wrote: »

local fuel supplier star fuels Mitchelstown and clonmel
20 x 40kg supertherm ovoids €368
5 x 25kg bales of coal briquettes (rekord) €45
Delivery coming tuesday

The co-op is now €358 for 20x40kgs Supertherm

OmegaGene · 29-09-2018 11:19am

john_doe. wrote: »

The co-op is now €358 for 20x40kgs Supertherm

My local co op charge €25 for delivery

2forjoy · 29-09-2018 9:20pm

john_doe. wrote: »

Starnge it uses so much Anthracite. That should generate some serious heat.

I also find odd about these products , is their high content of PET coke.
My stove manual warns against high content PET coke products as below.

Maybe I'm not intrepreting this correctly.

6. FUEL GUIDELINES
 This Boru Stove is fitted with a multi-fuel grate, which means that fuels such as; seasoned
wood, peat (both with a moisture content of less than 20%) and peat briquettes. Coal can
be used in moderation. But NEVER burn coal as a primary fuel.
 DO NOT use fuels with a high calorific value, petroleum coke content and/or petroleum
based products.

Petroleum coke has a very high carbon content and is virtually ash free. Ash plays an
important role when fuel burns as it helps to modify the combustion process e.g. the fire
bed temperature forms an insulating layer at the base of the fire to protect the grate from
direct contact with the burning fuel. With such low ash content in petroleum coke the fuel
tends to burn at a higher temperature than mineral fuels. The components of solid fuel
burning appliances are not generally designed to cope with the intensity of the heat that is
generated by the burning of petroleum coke based fuels. High petroleum coke products
are not as strong as approved fuels and are very prone to splitting causing hot embers to
be ejected from the stove or causing a second burn in the ash pan, this could lead to an
unsafe condition. High petroleum coke products can produce excessive soot deposits
because of incomplete combustion due to high moisture, leading to a risk of fire in the
chimney or liners. Burning petroleum based fuels will push your stove beyond it’s design
capability. This will over fire your stove and void your extended warranty.

@ john.doe

I was looking at the link to the make up of these , and one thing it tells me is that none of the round ovids are manufactured in Northern Ireland . So I wonder who makes the CW ones ?

john_doe. · 29-09-2018 9:54pm

2forjoy wrote: »

@ john.doe

I was looking at the link to the make up of these , and one thing it tells me is that none of the round ovids are manufactured in Northern Ireland . So I wonder who makes the CW ones ?

A lot I reckon are imported and bagged, someone on thread said there are hundreds of rebagging operations. For example I was using Hayes fuels , which are all bagged under that companies name, however on their website , they clearly state they are importers and distributors.

Didn't find any website like the UK one for ROI but maybe we don't regualte it as heavily.

Rows Grower · 29-09-2018 10:22pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Is there anything to be said for a bargain at all at all?

Gone be with the days when we burned whatever was there and we were lucky to have it.

I have a load of turf, wood, coal, ovoids and slack ready for the winter.

The chimney needs a clean and then we'll be good to blaze up the stove again.

No real cold there yet.

Berberis · 30-09-2018 12:26pm

Have been burning the champion coal from http://www.coaldirect.net/fuel-products the last two nights and very happy with it so far.
Good flame and heat from it. None of the smokey smell I got from the black diamond I got from CW a few years back.
Also noticed that the coal has burnt down well and am getting nowhere near the large lumps of rock and cinder I had been getting from the CW black diamond

jmreire · 30-09-2018 4:27pm

Berberis wrote: »

Have been burning the champion coal from http://www.coaldirect.net/fuel-products the last two nights and very happy with it so far.
Good flame and heat from it. None of the smokey smell I got from the black diamond I got from CW a few years back.
Also noticed that the coal has burnt down well and am getting nowhere near the large lumps of rock and cinder I had been getting from the CW black diamond[/QUO

Just to be sure, it's the Champion Coal, you are speaking about, and not the Champion Doubles? And transport is included in the price to the South of Ireland?:D

Berberis · 30-09-2018 6:08pm

jmreire wrote: »

Berberis wrote: »

Have been burning the champion coal from http://www.coaldirect.net/fuel-products the last two nights and very happy with it so far.
Good flame and heat from it. None of the smokey smell I got from the black diamond I got from CW a few years back.
Also noticed that the coal has burnt down well and am getting nowhere near the large lumps of rock and cinder I had been getting from the CW black diamond[/QUO

Just to be sure, it's the Champion Coal, you are speaking about, and not the Champion Doubles? And transport is included in the price to the South of Ireland?:D

Correct on all points

tomslick · 30-09-2018 11:05pm

Berberis wrote: »

jmreire wrote: »

Correct on all points

Just put in an order on the back of your recommendation.

bigron2109 · 04-10-2018 8:27pm

So my experience with Coal Direct. I Ordered a ton of coal last Wednesday morning . Order the Coalite as the lads who I spoke to said it was ovoids. Got a email on Monday to say it was dispatched. No coal on Tuesday so emailed on Tuesday night , and then Wednesday and called on Wednesday evening and was told I would get a callback.

No callback but received a email to say it would be here on Thursday morning and it was the couriers fault. Come 2.00pm on Thursday still no coal. Emailed again and was told it would be the evening. Eventually came on Thursday around 4.30pm.

Two of the bags were opened so got a look at the coal. Seems very like Easyglows large ovoids. One thing I did notice was that there seemed to be water in some of the bags even though they were wrapped well.

I will burn a bag at the weekend and let you know who they go but so far I’m not impressed with the service .

loki7777 · 04-10-2018 8:34pm

I would say condensation is normal. I had few bags in shed for few months and when opened coal was wet. I assume it wasn't full plastic bag and that's why you have water inside.

bigron2109 · 04-10-2018 8:38pm

loki7777 wrote: »

I would say condensation is normal. I had few bags in shed for few months and when opened coal was wet. I assume it wasn't full plastic bag and that's why you have water inside.

When I was putting them into the shed you could hear the water and when I was taking them off the pallet there was a lot of black water. They were not the plastic bags. More netted bags.

Bazzy · 07-10-2018 3:23pm

I got a ton of Superflame from Coal direct

Very impressed with it so far.

Leaves very little ash never a cinder there at all always just powder

And phenomenal heat off it

Very Impressed

Seems like a good deal on coal....

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