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Eir rural FTTH thread II

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    #4472
    fritzelly
    Registered Users Posts: 17,332 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Fibre is fed from the exchange not the cabinets


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    #4473
    Marlow
    Registered Users Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    have there been situations where FTTH service can go live in an area before a cabinet in the area go VDSL/FTTC service have I that right? -

    Yes ...

    It has nothing to do with eachother. Completely different infrastructure.

    Actually, on the Calverstown exchange (Co. Kildare), exactly that happened. The area was FTTH enabled .. about 3-4 weeks later the local cabinet then also went live. Presumably it had been dropped there ages ago and they just finished the wiring of that, while they were at it.

    /M


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    #4474
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Marlow wrote: »
    Yes ...

    It has nothing to do with eachother. Completely different infrastructure.

    Actually, on the Calverstown exchange (Co. Kildare), exactly that happened. The area was FTTH enabled .. about 3-4 weeks later the local cabinet then also went live. Presumably it had been dropped there ages ago and they just finished the wiring of that, while they were at it.

    /M

    In Andy's case though the cabinet he is taking about is the exchange cabinet. Both systems need fibre backhaul into the core network and I suspect, though can't be sure, that this is the reason for the delay in his area.


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    #4475
    adocholiday
    Registered Users Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    adocholiday wrote: »
    I have uploaded an album to imgur if someone might be so kind as to check. If it's of any relevance the sticker on the spool like thing says RDM9-00714C.

    Album link: http://imgur.com/a/EJXQWpy

    You should have linked the image rather than the album ;)

    https://i.imgur.com/ubmZuRR.jpg

    That is similar to images already posted by others of a FTTH DP on a pole.

    Thanks! It's funny because when I put the eircode of the house into the fibre rollout tool it tells me that we're outside the fibre/300K area so will be in the NBP. I'm going to assume that a fibre connection 20m from the house would mean otherwise!


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    #4476
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    adocholiday wrote: »
    Thanks! It's funny because when I put the eircode of the house into the fibre rollout tool it tells me that we're outside the fibre/300K area so will be in the NBP. I'm going to assume that a fibre connection 20m from the house would mean otherwise!

    They have extended the build in certain areas and fibrerollout is not to be totally trusted. Do you have an existing copper line from that pole?


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    #4477
    adocholiday
    Registered Users Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    I know the previous owner of the house had a phone and DSL connection but I can't actually see the wire coming off the pole. There looks to be a duct on the pole going into the hill beside it so I wonder if the copper connection is coming in through the ground? Would that be common? Our house is elevated so the living room windiw actually the same height as the top of that pole.


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    #4478
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    adocholiday wrote: »
    I know the previous owner of the house had a phone and DSL connection but I can't actually see the wire coming off the pole. There looks to be a duct on the pole going into the hill beside it so I wonder if the copper connection is coming in through the ground? Would that be common? Our house is elevated so the living room windiw actually the same height as the top of that pole.

    That would be my guess. I can't see any other reason for the duct entering the hill like that. If you ordered the installer would try to feed the fibre cable through that duct so you have to hope it is clear and has not been crushed.


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    #4479
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,768 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Fibre is fed from the exchange not the cabinets

    these are the plethora of cabinets in our village ... could one of these be an exchange?

    464196.jpg

    EDIT: - sorry, someone did answer before on this thread (might have been you Navi or Marlow) but I tried searching on this thread and couldnt find the post saying which one was thought to be an exchange


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    #4480
    chris_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭chris_ie


    They’ve been busy out our way. Drove down the road today and all the poles I passed do indeed now have DPs on them.


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    #4481
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    these are the plethora of cabinets in our village ... could one of these be an exchange?



    EDIT: - sorry, someone did answer before on this thread (might have been you Navi or Marlow) but I tried searching on this thread and couldnt find the post saying which one was thought to be an exchange

    Yeah that is the exchange. The VDSL cabinet seems to be live now anyway. I just checked the pub's phone number and it is passing for 100Mb. Hopefully you won't have too much longer of a wait.


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    #4482
    chris_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭chris_ie


    The pole in my garden doesn’t linkup with the pole that has the DP. It goes off in a slightly different direction. Would they just run the fiber cable from that pole to the one in our garden?


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    #4483
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    chris_ie wrote: »
    The pole in my garden doesn’t linkup with the pole that has the DP. It goes off in a slightly different direction. Would they just run the fiber cable from that pole to the one in our garden?

    I'm not sure exactly what you are asking. Do you mean there is no existing cable from the DP pole to the garden pole? Where does your existing copper line come from?


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    #4484
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,906 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    chris_ie wrote: »
    The pole in my garden doesn’t linkup with the pole that has the DP. It goes off in a slightly different direction. Would they just run the fiber cable from that pole to the one in our garden?

    They will run the cable from the DP along the road to the pole that does connect to yours and then will string it from there - most likely - going by how they did it here.


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    #4485
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,768 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »
    Yeah that is the exchange. The VDSL cabinet seems to be live now anyway. I just checked the pub's phone number and it is passing for 100Mb. Hopefully you won't have too much longer of a wait.

    oh thanks , I should have tried putting the pub number into the checker.

    So what colour cabinet is the exchange please - is it the green one or white one or the grey looking ones?


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    #4486
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,906 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    adocholiday wrote: »
    I know the previous owner of the house had a phone and DSL connection but I can't actually see the wire coming off the pole. There looks to be a duct on the pole going into the hill beside it so I wonder if the copper connection is coming in through the ground? Would that be common? Our house is elevated so the living room windiw actually the same height as the top of that pole.

    Do you mean a pole on your property? If there is a line strung to it from a roadside poll, then it likely runs down the pole into the duct and then underground - possibly to a galvanised metal hatch let into the ground or pavement and then from there through another duct into the house.


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    #4487
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    oh thanks , I should have tried putting the pub number into the checker.

    So what colour cabinet is the exchange please - is it the green one or white one or the grey looking ones?

    I suppose technically they all make up the exchange in that they all house equipment you would find in an exchange building. As I said to you before I am unsure of whether they have located the OLT that would serve your area in one of those cabinets.


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    #4488
    chris_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭chris_ie


    Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »
    I'm not sure exactly what you are asking. Do you mean there is no existing cable from the DP pole to the garden pole? Where does your existing copper line come from?

    Ok I’ve done a highly detailed drawing ;) The green lines coming in top left are those with the fiber run and DPs
    https://i.imgur.com/cvvf7NN.jpg

    Pole in our garden :
    https://i.imgur.com/oF3bhgT.jpg

    Our pole connects to the pole on the left in this image. You can see the DP on the pole in the right. No connection between them :
    https://i.imgur.com/opuck9Z.jpg

    A while back I spoke to a KN guy who was down the man hole beside our pole. He was connecting the neighbours phone line on the other side (not the side in photo). So I asked was it ducted and he said that that road was. But the pole confuses me! :)


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    #4489
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,768 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »
    Yeah that is the exchange. The VDSL cabinet seems to be live now anyway. I just checked the pub's phone number and it is passing for 100Mb. Hopefully you won't have too much longer of a wait.

    a guy who leaves in his laptop for me to repair works down there at the pub/shop says they have had really terrible internet connection (that would have been ADSL) there and for the Lotto machine and the credit card machine etc... I had suggested moving wireless router there in a better location and making sure nothing blocking signal and doing a spreed test plugged straight into master socket, but he seemed to just think it were the broadband itself - now its VDSL fibre now is it likely it could be a lot more stable for him if he switches to a VDSL fobre package now do you reckon? (sorry to go off topic mods - i know its FTTC question) but its just that it came up on here and I was thinking of it.


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    #4490
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,906 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Further to my earlier post where I described my off-spec install in the loft, and just to re-cap: I ducted, trenched and buried my phone line myself about 17 years ago because Eircom wouldn't. With the fibre install, I happened to have some HD water pipe left over from something else and so the installer threaded the fibre through that and left it lying on the ground for me to bury.

    I have been busy digging up the phone duct so I can re-burry the fibre along with it. Progress so far:
    Telephone-duct-1.jpg

    Telephone-duct-2.jpg


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    #4491
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    chris_ie wrote: »
    Ok I’ve done a highly detailed drawing ;) The green lines coming in top left are those with the fiber run and DPs
    https://i.imgur.com/cvvf7NN.jpg

    Pole in our garden :
    https://i.imgur.com/oF3bhgT.jpg

    Our pole connects to the pole on the left in this image. You can see the DP on the pole in the right. No connection between them :
    https://i.imgur.com/opuck9Z.jpg

    A while back I spoke to a KN guy who was down the man hole beside our pole. He was connecting the neighbours phone line on the other side (not the side in photo). So I asked was it ducted and he said that that road was. But the pole confuses me! :)

    It should just be a matter of cable from DP pole to the pole on the left in your third image, then on to the pole in your garden.

    That is assuming your home has been assigned to that DP which I assume you have been as you don't mention any other nearby DP.

    Edit:

    I am an idiot. Those are ESB poles.


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    #4492
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    The guy down there at the pub/shop says they have had really terrible connection (that would have been ADSL) there and for the Lotto machine and the credit card machine etc... I had suggested moving wireless router there in a better location and making sure nothing blocking signal and doing a spreed test plugged straight into master socket, but he seemed to just think it were the broadband itself - now its VDSL fibre now is it likely it could be a lot more stable for him if he switches to a VDSL fobre package now do you reckon? (sorry to go off topic mods - i know its FTTC question) but its just that it came up on here and I was thinking of it.

    Should be rock solid at that distance. 20Mb up for his card machine!


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    #4493
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    chris_ie that pole in you garden and the one it connects to are ESB poles. If you to want to pm me your Eircode I can take a look and see how you may be connected.


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    #4494
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,768 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »
    Should be rock solid at that distance. 20Mb up for his card machine!

    thanks, must be something else , if not router issue a telephone wiring / socket fault then if its really that bad . I will pop down one day and check what speed he is getting at master socket level and plugging an ethernet straight into the router bypassing wireless one day and see whats gong on.


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    #4495
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    thanks, must be something else , if not router issue a telephone wiring / socket fault then if its really that bad . I will pop down one day and check what speed he is getting at master socket level and plugging an ethernet straight into the router bypassing wireless one day and see whats gong on.

    If he's getting VDSL they'll fit a new master socket that isolates the internal wiring. Also if he's relying on WiFi it needs to be planned properly.


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    #4496
    chris_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭chris_ie


    Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »
    It should just be a matter of cable from DP pole to the pole on the left in your third image, then on to the pole in your garden.

    That is assuming your home has been assigned to that DP which I assume you have been as you don't mention any other nearby DP.

    Yeah from that DP there are only 6 houses from there that are on the roll out.


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    #4497
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    chris_ie wrote: »
    Yeah from that DP there are only 6 houses from there that are on the roll out.

    See my edit. They are ESB poles.


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    #4498
    chris_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭chris_ie


    Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »
    It should just be a matter of cable from DP pole to the pole on the left in your third image, then on to the pole in your garden.

    That is assuming your home has been assigned to that DP which I assume you have been as you don't mention any other nearby DP.

    Edit:

    I am an idiot. Those are ESB poles.

    :D I had wondered if they were but thought the ESB poles were different! And they look pretty much the same as those with the DPs! Ha


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    #4499
    Marlow
    Registered Users Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    chris_ie wrote: »
    :D I had wondered if they were but thought the ESB poles were different! And they look pretty much the same as those with the DPs! Ha

    ESB poles usually have a sign, that there is high voltage on them.

    Also, ESB cables are always taught and neat. OpenEIR cables usually are sloppy and hanging through.

    Another way to identify ESB cables is the isolators for the power cabling. OpenEIR cabling has no isolators.

    /M


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    #4500
    chris_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭chris_ie


    Feel a bit of a dumba** now but all makes sense now haha! Cheers lads.


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    #4501
    Marlow
    Registered Users Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    ED E wrote: »
    170K SIRO premises as of August, 185K list of eircodes... Its SIRO. Theres a shorter list of OE Eircodes that they're planning (80K I think).

    Just to come back to this. I've compared that list of 185k to other data. They're as bad as Eir retail when it comes to updating their product check.

    That prequal data is like 2 months old. At least 2 updates since then.

    /M


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