Season 6 Episode 7 "The Broken Man" - "Book readers"

Barna77 · 08-06-2016 09:51PM

So, are we in for Lady Stoneheart as the season finale shocker?

wp_rathead · 08-06-2016 10:43PM

Barna77 wrote: »

So, are we in for Lady Stoneheart as the season finale shocker?

Personally I don't want LSH to appear in the show- think we already had Jon, Hound and Benjen all come from the supposed dead in this season

I think season finale is going to be the Wall coming down
While in the books i've feeling it is going to be Euron magic, in the show I've feeling its going to be Bran coming back south of the wall and because he is "marked" the Night King will be able topple The Wall himself

intheclouds · 08-06-2016 11:06PM

I think the season finale is the tower of joy reveal and Cerseis trial by combat.

J. Marston · 08-06-2016 11:25PM

I just hope the Dorne clowns don't show their faces in the last three episodes. The King's Landing story is building nicely to a big finish and the Sand Snakes haven't been seen in ages, hope they're not involved in any twist.

rawn · 08-06-2016 11:33PM

J. Marston wrote: »

I just hope the Dorne clowns don't show their faces in the last three episodes. The King's Landing story is building nicely to a big finish and the Sand Snakes haven't been seen in ages, hope they're not involved in any twist.

SHOCK TWIST! The HS is one of the Sand Snakes

RobbingBandit · 08-06-2016 11:49PM

I can see Qyburn taking on the role of Varys(probably without Aegon at this stage that would be too much of a curve ball) killing Kevan, Pycelle and maybe Mace too. I am curious as to how Sam has gotten on stealing Heartsbane that was a massive plothole for me, what has also happened to the battle of Mereen will it even take place in the show now at all.

09-06-2016 02:00AM

J. Marston wrote: »

I just hope the Dorne clowns don't show their faces in the last three episodes. The King's Landing story is building nicely to a big finish and the Sand Snakes haven't been seen in ages, hope they're not involved in any twist.

I'm hoping the very same, but with each glorious episode that goes by where they don't appear, the likelihood of them appearing in the next increases IMO. I just can't shake the feeling that they're going to pop up again soon. If the show was going to write them off due to the fan response (as some opine it has done), I reckon we would have seen them get butchered earlier this season in that Dorne scene, rather than Doran and Areo Hotah.

The only way I would be truly happy to see them return to the show would be if some random group somehow delivered them all to Cersei. "Here, this lot poisoned your daughter and want to do the same to you, me and my men captured them for you." Cersei - "Excellent work team. Have them dropped into a pit with the Mountain who will use them to train for my trial."

Then, one by one...

I really dislike Ellaria and the Sand Snakes in the show, not that I cared for them much in the books, but their scenes are like they are from a different, inferior show altogether.

amos13 · 09-06-2016 08:16AM

RobbingBandit wrote:

I can see Qyburn taking on the role of Varys(probably without Aegon at this stage that would be too much of a curve ball) killing Kevan, Pycelle and maybe Mace too. I am curious as to how Sam has gotten on stealing Heartsbane that was a massive plothole for me, what has also happened to the battle of Mereen will it even take place in the show now at all.

Sadly, I think it'll be a reappearing sand snake. And Tommen will also die a poisonous death just like his brother and sister. We need tommen to go before Cersei, and Cersei's not long for this world, so any episode now. As soon as Tommen bites the bullet, the HS is fooked again.

ricero · 09-06-2016 10:09AM

wp_rathead wrote: »

Barna77 wrote: »

So, are we in for Lady Stoneheart as the season finale shocker?

Personally I don't want LSH to appear in the show- think we already had Jon, Hound and Benjen all come from the supposed dead in this season

I think season finale is going to be the Wall coming down
While in the books i've feeling it is going to be Euron magic, in the show I've feeling its going to be Bran coming back south of the wall and because he is "marked" the Night King will be able topple The Wall himself

Dont understand this theory that because hes "marked" then the nights king can take down the wall ?

intheclouds · 09-06-2016 10:31AM

ricero wrote: »

Dont understand this theory that because hes "marked" then the nights king can take down the wall ?

The same magic is in the wall that kept the white walkers from being able to enter the cave where Bloodraven was.

When the Nights King marked Bran he was able to bypass that magic and walk into the cave so the assumption is that he will be able to do the same with the wall and collapse it.

Im actually feeling annoyed right now at how they have blue balled us with the tower of joy. 7 episodes in and we just got the tease of it so far. Just show us ffs!!!

I dont understand why Jon Snow isnt being beheaded for deserting the Nights Watch?

Is it because Ramsay is Warden of the North so thats who would do it?

Nerdlingr · 09-06-2016 10:56AM

intheclouds wrote: »

I dont understand why Jon Snow isnt being beheaded for deserting the Nights Watch?

Technically his watch ended when he died.

intheclouds · 09-06-2016 11:08AM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Technically his watch ended when he died.

WE know that. But they dont seem to be telling anyone else it.

From House Glovers perspective for example, they dont know it - and if they did would they believe it?

amos13 · 09-06-2016 11:31AM

intheclouds wrote:

From House Glovers perspective for example, they dont know it - and if they did would they believe it?

As someone else already noted, it's easy to behead some lone terrified deserter than a courageous son of a Stark with a small army at his back.

Also most people don't have the same honour-bound duty complex that Ned did.

mewso · 09-06-2016 11:38AM

intheclouds wrote: »

WE know that. But they dont seem to be telling anyone else it.

From House Glovers perspective for example, they dont know it - and if they did would they believe it?

Can't we just assume they are telling people. We don't need several scenes where everybody retells his resurrection. My biggest issue with the show these days is that writers seem more interested in what is cool than what is pertinent to the telling of a good story hence clegane bowl is inevitable because it would be so cool. I'm down with MrBTongue:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek2O6bVAIQQ

intheclouds · 09-06-2016 11:47AM

mewso wrote: »

Can't we just assume they are telling people. We don't need several scenes where everybody retells his resurrection.

I wondered the same after Hardhome - youd think, after something so huge and scary, that people would be talking about it - but its like no one was.

Youd think, if someone was resurrected from the dead and people were telling each other about it that youd see or hear at least one amazed reaction no? I mean, its huge - someone was dead and now they are alive!! Loads of people wouldnt believe it - same way loads of people dont believe in White Walkers or Giants.

I assumed they werent telling people.

Billy86 · 09-06-2016 04:43PM

Riddle101 wrote: »

Glad to see that the Hound is back, he's my favorite character in the entire series. Wonder where his character arc will lead him after Cleganebowl. Assuming of course that's what they're setting up for.

After the Cleganebowl his future will be as soup. With all the slow build up of The Mountain, the Cleganebowl needs to be at least a full series off in my opinion, unless The Hound gets the most brutal, vicious, one-sided beating in the history of the show to the point there are literally no bones left. Otherwise the whole alchemy Frankenstein recovery line they made a point of keeping a close enough eye on, will have been a complete waste of time and Zombie Mountain/Robert Strong will have been possibly the most disappointing character in the whole show, outside of Dorne of course.

wp_rathead · 09-06-2016 09:13PM

stankratz wrote: »

I really dislike Ellaria and the Sand Snakes in the show, not that I cared for them much in the books, but their scenes are like they are from a different, inferior show altogether.

Yes, they are like when a show has a spin off, but for one episode they bring in the characters from the original to generate popularity - It is usually awkward as fnck, like the whole Dorne plotline has been

GerB40 · 09-06-2016 11:07PM

wp_rathead wrote: »

Yes, they are like when a show has a spin off, but for one episode they bring in the characters from the original to generate popularity - It is usually awkward as fnck, like the whole Dorne plotline has been

Dorne is to Game of Thrones what Joey was to Friends...

rawn · 10-06-2016 12:08AM

Dorne had SO much potential, especially after they introduced Oberyn, I even liked Ellaria when she was in KL. They should have left it at that after Oberyn got cuddled to death.

GerB40 · 10-06-2016 12:24AM

rawn wrote: »

Dorne had SO much potential, especially after they introduced Oberyn, I even liked Ellaria when she was in KL. They should have left it at that after Oberyn got cuddled to death.

If they even Hinted at the long term Dornish plan (not the Dornish masterplan theory) then Doran could've had great potential. He is really one of a kind in the world of GoT. He's pragmatic to a fault, letting his reputation suffer and his subjects hate him just to give the impression that he's loyal to the Crown. His family have at best, a begrudging respect for him, at worst, complete hatred. But D+D, in their infinite wisdom, decided that the best way for Martells to avenge Oberyn's death was to kill his brother, who was also their leader, and nephew (or whatever Trystane was to him).

Daith · 10-06-2016 06:32AM

I like the idea that Doran's story is that he *waited too long* to get revenge. He never took the opportunity. I think that would be very GRRM.

CMOTDibbler · 10-06-2016 08:55AM

GerB40 wrote: »

If they even Hinted at the long term Dornish plan (not the Dornish masterplan theory) then Doran could've had great potential. He is really one of a kind in the world of GoT. He's pragmatic to a fault, letting his reputation suffer and his subjects hate him just to give the impression that he's loyal to the Crown. His family have at best, a begrudging respect for him, at worst, complete hatred. But D+D, in their infinite wisdom, decided that the best way for Martells to avenge Oberyn's death was to kill his brother, who was also their leader, and nephew (or whatever Trystane was to him).

Well his masterplan went up in smoke in the books, so killing him off in the show was just a shortcut to the same result without all the extra characters his book arc entailed.

We obviously don't know what his plan B was after Quentyn became Dragon barbecue but there would be an assumption that he would join Young Griff and attack KL (eventually). Ellaria seems set on the same path (without Young Griff), so the same end result by means of a shortcut.

The meat of that plot, for me would be that whilst the Lannisters and Tyrells are looking inward at the HS and the Faith militant, the real threat will come from outside whilst their forces are tied up in a civil war and Riverrun.

EagererBeaver · 10-06-2016 09:26AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Well his masterplan went up in smoke in the books, so killing him off in the show was just a shortcut to the same result without all the extra characters his book arc entailed.

We obviously don't know what his plan B was after Quentyn became Dragon barbecue but there would be an assumption that he would join Young Griff and attack KL (eventually). Ellaria seems set on the same path (without Young Griff), so the same end result by means of a shortcut.

The meat of that plot, for me would be that whilst the Lannisters and Tyrells are looking inward at the HS and the Faith militant, the real threat will come from outside whilst their forces are tied up in a civil war and Riverrun.

Dorne was one of my favourite parts of the books and they absolutely ruined it. Was desperately hoping to have Darkstar on the show.

Oh, OK, was very interested in who they'd cast s Arianne as well.

Don't think the show will stop me enjoying the Dorne angles in the books - in Sunspear, KL or the Citadel.

tommy2bad · 10-06-2016 09:40AM

Yeah Dorn in the books was excellent. It had so much promise as house Dorn had the most reason to hate the lannisters and was the only house that hadn't been defeated by the Targaryens. What we got in the TV show was some gypsies camped on a dull beach. Could and should have left Dorns involvement in the TV show at their time in Kings Landing.
OK both end badly but at least the diversion in the books was diverting and entertaining, on TV it was just annoying and distracting.

Barna77 · 10-06-2016 10:02AM

Was reading somewhere yesterday how the producers made a mess after simplifying the Dorne storyline for the tv series, that due to criticism they decided to end it the odd harsh way they did.
All potential gone. Dorne was a mess altogether.

Washington Irving · 10-06-2016 10:04AM

Still think we're gonna see Dorne again this season, probably in episode 10 when all the action elsewhere is done.

EagererBeaver · 10-06-2016 10:09AM

They *have*to come back in at some point, surely. As preposterous as it all was, you can't have Ellaria effectively organise a rebellion then never turn to it again and hope the audience forgets about it.

As much as I actually want to be able to forget about it, knowing that it was there, not tied off, would annoy me.

10-06-2016 12:29PM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

They *have*to come back in at some point, surely. As preposterous as it all was, you can't have Ellaria effectively organise a rebellion then never turn to it again and hope the audience forgets about it.

As much as I actually want to be able to forget about it, knowing that it was there, not tied off, would annoy me.

In fairness it seems the BWB, The Freys and the Blackfish's army have been doing nothing in the intervening 3 years since the Red Wedding so they have previous on this. Also the fact there seems to be a white walker style spell on Winterfell not allowing any Boltons to leave while Jon and Sansa roam about.

rawn · 10-06-2016 12:52PM

CMOTDibbler wrote:

We obviously don't know what his plan B was after Quentyn became Dragon barbecue but there would be an assumption that he would join Young Griff and attack KL (eventually). Ellaria seems set on the same path (without Young Griff), so the same end result by means of a shortcut.

Possibly. But in the books there's a lot of evidence to show that Quentyn is still alive!

wp_rathead · 10-06-2016 01:08PM

Washington Irving wrote: »

Still think we're gonna see Dorne again this season, probably in episode 10 when all the action elsewhere is done.

*last scene*
*credits roll*
*Cuts to a Maester reading a raven scroll*
"Seven Hells, there has been a mass outbreak of Greyscale in Dorne and all in Sunsspear has turned to stone"
*cuts to Dorne showing 4 statues of Sandsnakes and Ellaria*

And there was much rejoice

Season 6 Episode 7 "The Broken Man" - "Book readers"

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