Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

lougal88 · 04-05-2016 12:40PM

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Can anyone tell me why people on twitter keeping post DAD after Mcgregors tweets?

Adopt me!
It's ridiculous grown adults using it at him.

It sums up everything that is wrong with the world!

yourdeadwright · 04-05-2016 12:42PM

Myrddin wrote: »

Conor won't get inside Nate's head. Hell, he didn't the first time around, why would he now after being beaten? I don't believe this is why he didn't do the media obligations though, he'd have known he lost the psychological warfare aspect of this fight right after he lost their first bout, so it's hardly something he just remembered at the last minute. It'll be interesting to say the least, how he handles the presser for their rematch, whenever that may be (if at all).

I think people put way to much on psychological warfare,
Ok I can understand it mite make you nervous when the fight begins but if you make it past the first 3 minutes in the cage and have had a few exchanges it goes out the window and your in a fight,
It defo had an effect on Aldo but im sure he would have settled if it had of last a few minutes

Myrddin · 04-05-2016 12:42PM

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

I believe the reason McGregor won't be at UFC 200 is because he knows he needs serious time and training to beat Diaz!

I agree with this. It's possible he let his emotions dictate his desire for a rematch, and later on, possibly after words from others, he could have accepted this is a significantly tougher task that he originally felt. Looking at how RDA demolished Nate, what was needed to do that are things you never see Conor doing. His current skillset, and a very good one it is, is not something that can be used to defeat Nate.

RonanP77 · 04-05-2016 12:44PM

cloudatlas wrote:

Agree, the 'he was swept and controlled' comment just shows how deluded he is.

But he was swept and controlled in the closing stages of round 1. It wasn't for very long but it did happen.

bur · 04-05-2016 12:55PM

This is just sad, since when is winning one round, not as convincingly as most think, anything to be bragging about and using to hype a rematch?

bur · 04-05-2016 12:59PM

RonanP77 wrote: »

But he was swept and controlled in the closing stages of round 1. It wasn't for very long but it did happen.

When the gap in the ground game is that big, you don't have to worry about getting 'swept and controlled(lol)', you ride it out as Nate did. It's funny too that Nate was punching Conor in the head all through that little scramble, despite being 'swept and controlled(lol)' by Conor.

Lukker- · 04-05-2016 01:10PM

Myrddin wrote: »

I agree with this. It's possible he let his emotions dictate his desire for a rematch, and later on, possibly after words from others, he could have accepted this is a significantly tougher task that he originally felt. Looking at how RDA demolished Nate, what was needed to do that are things you never see Conor doing. His current skillset, and a very good one it is, is not something that can be used to defeat Nate.

I disagree. Although you'd be right in suggesting that the strategy he uses for the majority of his UFC fights won't work. That goes for any other fights at LW too.

Conor is the most willing fighter to trade in the UFC, even more so than Lawler. He walks into shots confident that he can outstrike you and that his power will make the difference. The fact that Nate is taller and heavier means he can do less damage then normal and also has to throw punches at more difficult angles, this is why he resorted to upper cuts.

He wasn't always like this though, after the Brimmage fight he transitioned from a counter-striker to a pressure fighter. If he wants to beat Diaz he's going to have to change back. His counter-striking style is a pretty good foil for Nate's volume punching. His main problem was getting tagged walking into the pocket, which he likes to do with his hands way down.

If he wants longevity and to truly challenge for the LW title he'll need to adapt. He can't continue to take the damage he takes at FW from the bigger guys at LW.

Useful.Idiot · 04-05-2016 01:28PM

His skillset could be used to defeat Nate IMO. I think Nate's skillset is a bit more limited. Good solid straightforward boxing and lethal bjj but not much else. If Conor's concentrating on improving his cardio, which he seems to be, then he could win on decision if he conserves his tank throughout 5 rounds. He's the more technical and better moving striker. I think his ground game is sufficient enough to defend and get back to the feet again, if his energy is up. I think people really understate Conor's ground game as we haven't really seen much of it. Getting a sweep like that on a bjj black belt is no small feat. Even if he took a few hits he still wasn't in any trouble.

srm23 · 04-05-2016 01:41PM

any chance of this mcgregor/diaz being added back to ufc200
or has conor given up on that now?

JustShon · 04-05-2016 01:43PM

srm23 wrote: »

any chance of this mcgregor/diaz being added back to ufc200
or has conor given up on that now?

That ship has well and truly sailed by now.

RonanP77 · 04-05-2016 01:45PM

srm23 wrote:

any chance of this mcgregor/diaz being added back to ufc200 or has conor given up on that now?

He seems to have given up but it wasn't his choice anyway.

Spudman_20000 · 04-05-2016 02:09PM

Lord almighty, Cup Cake still doesn't get it:
http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/5/4/11586844/morning-report-miesha-tate-was-frustrated-with-the-conor-mcgregor

To paraphrase:
"Like, ummm, I was totally inconvenienced or whatevs by Conor's no show, and had to shoot another commercial and I missed one training session? Like, what's the big deal about him flying over to Vegas? Conor could have hit mitts on the plane on the way over, like totally? Ummm, I just don't get why it was a big deal n' stuff?".
And she wonders why she gets flak.

04-05-2016 02:19PM

Useful.Idiot wrote: »

His skillset could be used to defeat Nate IMO. I think Nate's skillset is a bit more limited. Good solid straightforward boxing and lethal bjj but not much else. If Conor's concentrating on improving his cardio, which he seems to be, then he could win on decision if he conserves his tank throughout 5 rounds. He's the more technical and better moving striker. I think his ground game is sufficient enough to defend and get back to the feet again, if his energy is up. I think people really understate Conor's ground game as we haven't really seen much of it. Getting a sweep like that on a bjj black belt is no small feat. Even if he took a few hits he still wasn't in any trouble.

Round 2, McGregor tried to take it to a ground game after being rocked on his feet twice by two huge hits, and he lost the ground game very quickly after that, being pummelled in the face, rolling over to avoid it then being choked out!

Your summary of his skill set shows blind faith after the evidence suggested otherwise.

Useful.Idiot · 04-05-2016 02:39PM

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Round 2, McGregor tried to take it to a ground game after being rocked on his feet twice by two huge hits, and he lost the ground game very quickly after that, being pummelled in the face, rolling over to avoid it then being choked out!

Your summary of his skill set shows blind faith after the evidence suggested otherwise.

That was the second round when he completely gassed out and his skills meant nothing. He couldn't dodge the shots anymore and taking it to the ground was a panic move after he got rocked but he had already lost of course. My summary was based on a tank that's not empty, which I made a point of. Cardio was Conors biggest weakness in that fight.

CatFromHue · 04-05-2016 02:42PM

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

Lord almighty, Cup Cake still doesn't get it:
http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/5/4/11586844/morning-report-miesha-tate-was-frustrated-with-the-conor-mcgregor

To paraphrase:
"Like, ummm, I was totally inconvenienced or whatevs by Conor's no show, and had to shoot another commercial and I missed one training session? Like, what's the big deal about him flying over to Vegas? Conor could have hit mitts on the plane on the way over, like totally? Ummm, I just don't get why it was a big deal n' stuff?".
And she wonders why she gets flak.

McGregor's problem was that he would miss training if he did all the promo's.
Meisha did miss training as no one knew whether he was coming or not.

I'm not seeing a big problem in what she said tbh.

Mellor · 04-05-2016 02:42PM

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Round 2, McGregor tried to take it to a ground game after being rocked on his feet twice by two huge hits, and he lost the ground game very quickly after that, being pummelled in the face, rolling over to avoid it then being choked out!

Your summary of his skill set shows blind faith after the evidence suggested otherwise.

There was a lot more to it than that. you could write a whole article on the closing seconds from the takedown attempt to the finish.

He whole, he was manhandled, therefore he has no skill on the ground is completely flawed. Elite blackbelts ave been taken down and instantly subbed, doesn't mean that are shit, it means they got caught.
The tiniest of movement can change the whole outcome of a grapplng sequence.

Spudman_20000 · 04-05-2016 02:56PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

McGregor's problem was that he would miss training if he did all the promo's.
Meisha did miss training as no one knew whether he was coming or not.

I'm not seeing a big problem in what she said tbh.

You don't see the irony in her wondering what the big deal is with Conor missing training, and then complaining about having to miss one training session due to extra promo work?

CatFromHue · 04-05-2016 03:05PM

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

You don't see the irony in her wondering what the big deal is with Conor missing training, and then complaining about having to miss one training session due to extra promo work?

Well she had arranged to get her promo work and her training in on the same day so for her doing promo's and training on the same day isn't a problem......except if she has to do someone else's promo's cos they don't want to.

Zero-Cool · 04-05-2016 03:08PM

Small bit of a difference though Between Cupcake getting 5 to 6 questions about Ronda and she replies with 'don't be such a grumpy face Ronda' to Conor's multiple press conference each lasting an hour where is like someone hooked an IV drip up to him punmping him up with red bull. He's promo work is a lot more actual work than most other fighters.

Spudman_20000 · 04-05-2016 03:16PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

Well she had arranged to get her promo work and her training in on the same day so for her doing promo's and training on the same day isn't a problem......except if she has to do someone else's promo's cos they don't want to.

Doesn't she train and fight out of Las Vegas? So she had scheduled her training and promo work for the same day. Must have been a huge headache to get that organised alright. :rolleyes:

TheNap · 04-05-2016 03:21PM

I've looked at the fight again just there.

The main way McGregor can win the fight is by the doctor stopping it due to Diaz being cut and blood going into his eyes.

A lot of scar tissue there

CatFromHue · 04-05-2016 03:34PM

yeah I think the UFC will have to have a think about how they do the media stuff but Meisha is right in saying that McGregor retiring, not retiring, who knows what he's doing affected her badly.

Wasn't he really late to the RDA Holm Meisha McGregor press conference too?

Boom_Bap · 04-05-2016 03:39PM

TheNap wrote: »

I've looked at the fight again just there.

The main way McGregor can win the fight is by the doctor stopping it due to Diaz being cut and blood going into his eyes.

A lot of scar tissue there

I've been listening to Joe Rogan talk about the fight, well the first one and the next one and the narrative he has is that leg kicks is what defeats Diaz. If I remember correctly, McGregor started out the last fight with a few that were effective but then switched to the big left and the upper cut.

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04-05-2016 05:51PM

Mellor wrote: »

There was a lot more to it than that. you could write a whole article on the closing seconds from the takedown attempt to the finish.

He whole, he was manhandled, therefore he has no skill on the ground is completely flawed. Elite blackbelts ave been taken down and instantly subbed, doesn't mean that are shit, it means they got caught.
The tiniest of movement can change the whole outcome of a grapplng sequence.

I have never claimed he was ****!
What I do stand over though is Diaz ability to take the fight to him either standing with large hits or at a ground game.
We can all speculate at what McGregor is good at vs other fighters, but we know what he's not good at when it comes to a fighter like Diaz!
McGregor has to change his entire game plan and stamina levels when fighting Diaz again and there is no evidence to suggest he can do that at this weight!

sonofenoch · 04-05-2016 06:34PM

Good analyses from David Haye on the Diaz fight......basically he underestimated Diaz and never adapted his fight plan going from 145 to 170 ....he put on all that weight and just thought he could do the same as he's been doing, couldn't argue with any of it and you realize when listening to someone who knows what he's talking about how pretty poor his preparation was, I still maintain he lost the run of himself from that initial RDA press conference, it was so over the top!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSjA_JfxFEA

Cathy.C · 04-05-2016 08:24PM

sonofenoch wrote: »

Good analyses from David Haye on the Diaz fight......

Yes, excellent. Thanks for posting. Full video here:

https://www.facebook.com/davidhaye1980/videos/10153290458716097/

pgj2015 · 04-05-2016 09:19PM

TheNap wrote: »

I've looked at the fight again just there.

The main way McGregor can win the fight is by the doctor stopping it due to Diaz being cut and blood going into his eyes.

A lot of scar tissue there

that would be a really bad way to "win" if you can call it a win, diaz doesn't care about scar tissue so it wouldn't really be winning in my opinion. it would be like getting the points in a football match because the other team doesn't turn up.

StringerBell · 04-05-2016 10:29PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I've been listening to Joe Rogan talk about the fight, well the first one and the next one and the narrative he has is that leg kicks is what defeats Diaz. If I remember correctly, McGregor started out the last fight with a few that were effective but then switched to the big left and the upper cut.

It is the blueprint to beating him, and Nick in fact. Both very heavy on that front leg and they don't like to give it up easy!

This is well known, Conor would have been well aware but had his own storyline to try to play out in the fight.

He threw some leg kicks, but no effect, neither man really had to worry about the others leg kicks and Conor is running a bit more risk throwing legs as if he gets caught he could be in serious trouble.

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