Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

jigglypuffstuff

I was looking forward to this fight...but the way Conor is acting I genuinely hope that the UFC, and Nate Diaz never give him the chance...Seriously..He's talking smack about a guy who tapped him out in 2 rounds with 11 days to prepare and no camp...There is no excuse..no weight, no cardio... nothing..He is the inferior fighter...its simple really

Im genuinely losing respect for him by the day, I look back over his post fight interview about being humble in defeat, that's the biggest load of crap ever...I've yet to see a fighter handle a loss this poorly

Deadst4r

pone2012 wrote: »

I was looking forward to this fight...but the way Conor is acting I genuinely hope that the UFC, and Nate Diaz never give him the chance...Seriously..He's talking smack about a guy who tapped him out in 2 rounds with 11 days to prepare and no camp...There is no excuse..no weight, no cardio... nothing..He is the inferior fighter...its simple really

Im genuinely losing respect for him by the day, I look back over his post fight interview about being humble in defeat, that's the biggest load of crap ever...I've yet to see a fighter handle a loss this poorly

Aren't Nick and Nate known for making excuses every time they are defeated?

mdwexford

pone2012 wrote: »

I was looking forward to this fight...but the way Conor is acting I genuinely hope that the UFC, and Nate Diaz never give him the chance...Seriously..He's talking smack about a guy who tapped him out in 2 rounds with 11 days to prepare and no camp...There is no excuse..no weight, no cardio... nothing..He is the inferior fighter...its simple really

Im genuinely losing respect for him by the day, I look back over his post fight interview about being humble in defeat, that's the biggest load of crap ever...I've yet to see a fighter handle a loss this poorly

If you genuinely believe all that then you have no clue what you are talking about.

See Jose Aldo for how to handle a loss far far worse.

nocoverart

pone2012 wrote: »

I was looking forward to this fight...but the way Conor is acting I genuinely hope that the UFC, and Nate Diaz never give him the chance...Seriously..He's talking smack about a guy who tapped him out in 2 rounds with 11 days to prepare and no camp...There is no excuse..no weight, no cardio... nothing..He is the inferior fighter...its simple really

Im genuinely losing respect for him by the day, I look back over his post fight interview about being humble in defeat, that's the biggest load of crap ever...I've yet to see a fighter handle a loss this poorly

I think you saying Conor is an inferior fighter is a bit of a stretch IMO. Yes Nate won, and he definitely was impressive in that fight. But with certain adjustments, I think Conor might just have a fighters chance against the all of a sudden GOAT that is Nate Diaz with his unbeatable 19/10 record. Yes Nate only had 11 days fight camp but Conor also took a lot of risks to make that fight happen. I think it's an intriguing match up myself. You should definitely post your comment over on Sherdog though, you will get 5000 likes from jealous virgins that are just blinded by hate.

Mellor

CatFromHue wrote: »

Well she had arranged to get her promo work and her training in on the same day so for her doing promo's and training on the same day isn't a problem......except if she has to do someone else's promo's cos they don't want to.

But it's not "someone else's promo". She is one of two title holders on the card. In any other card, the brunt of the onus for promoting would lie with with the two title fights. However, with Conor there, she had a free ride to 1.5million buys and a PPV bonus.
Without out Conor there she has to sing for her supper. And isn't happy about it, it's incredibly ironic.

darced wrote: »

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^^^This. There are sweeps and there are sweeps.
He deserves some credit for taking ankle control, x-guard and the sweep as far as JiuJitsu knowledge goes. You can't just accidentally do any of that like that, (the white belt criticism from some was ridiculous at the time).
But making out that he swept an elite blackbelt is misleading also. This wasn't closing seconds of an IBJJF match, he doesn't get points for a sweep.

pgj2015 wrote: »

that would be a really bad way to "win" if you can call it a win, diaz doesn't care about scar tissue so it wouldn't really be winning in my opinion. it would be like getting the points in a football match because the other team doesn't turn up.

Punching the other guy in the face so much that the doctor stops it, is like the other team not turning up? :pac:

newbbieb

nocoverart wrote: »

I think you saying Conor is an inferior fighter is a bit of a stretch IMO. Yes Nate won, and he definitely was impressive in that fight. But with certain adjustments, I think Conor might just have a fighters chance against the all of a sudden GOAT that is Nate Diaz with his unbeatable 19/10 record. Yes Nate only had 11 days fight camp but Conor also took a lot of risks to make that fight happen. I think it's an intriguing match up myself. You should definitely post your comment over on Sherdog though, you will get 5000 likes from jealous virgins that are just blinded by hate.

Agree with some of your points,i also wouldn't necessarily say he is the inferior fighter but he was that night and to be quoting Nates 19/10 record as a reason to say he is not that good shows a lack of mma knowledge.

I am not a massive Diaz bros. fan,but Nate is extremely legit,a couple of them losses were at WW another was to RDA who not only is the champ,Diaz came in well out of shape,you didn't even see the best Nate in that fight,but his resume of who he has fought is a whos who of recent past.

Conor has fought a few top fighters no doubt but his resume isn't close to Diaz,Conor Ko'ed some absolute cans before he entered the UFC with only one or 2 legit opponents beforehand.Diaz has been fighting elite fighters from basically the first fight on his record.

nocoverart

newbbieb wrote: »

Agree with some of your points,i also wouldn't necessarily say he is the inferior fighter but he was that night and to be quoting Nates 19/10 record as a reason to say he is not that good shows a lack of mma knowledge.

I am not a massive Diaz bros. fan,but Nate is extremely legit,a couple of them losses were at WW another was to RDA who not only is the champ,Diaz came in well out of shape,you didn't even see the best Nate in that fight,but his resume of who he has fought is a whos who of recent past.

Conor has fought a few top fighters no doubt but his resume isn't close to Diaz,Conor Ko'ed some absolute cans before he entered the UFC with only one or 2 legit opponents beforehand.Diaz has been fighting elite fighters from basically the first fight on his record.

I'm not a diehard as in I watched MMA since the early 90's but I was a fan before I even heard of Conor. I agree with your point about Nate's record ( I actually genuinely love the Diaz Brothers) but let's be real here! Nate wasn't getting much credit for his resume before his victory over Conor. But he was the guy that beat the guy that certain fans obsessively hate on. At the end of the day Conor has lost Three times and yet some people would have you believe his career is over, Regardless of his resume Nate has lost Ten times and his career isn't doing that bad.

newbbieb

nocoverart wrote: »

I'm not a diehard as in I watched MMA since the early 90's but I was a fan before I even heard of Conor. I agree with your point about Nate's record ( I actually genuinely love the Diaz Brothers) but let's be real here! Nate wasn't getting much credit for his resume before his victory over Conor. But he was the guy that beat the guy that certain fans obsessively hate on. At the end of the day Conor has lost Three times and yet some people would have you believe his career is over, Regardless of his resume Nate has lost Ten times and his career isn't doing that bad.

No doubt he is getting a lot of love from American fans who hate on Conor just enjoying having their guy beat the uppity Irishman,kinda like how Dan Henderson got cemented into American Hero status after KOing Bisping.

I agree he wasn't getting much credit beforehand but he was in Danas bad books then and they were paying him badly and probably purposely matchin him up bad.

It seems like the UFC are really trying to use this to push Diaz forward a bit now and build him into a star now that they seem to have ironed out their contract dispute with him.Either way my point about his record was just like if Conors 20 plus fights were 20 of diaz opponents not sure his record his so good either,it might be still pretty good but unlikely to be what it is now.

nocoverart

newbbieb wrote: »

No doubt he is getting a lot of love from American fans who hate on Conor just enjoying having their guy beat the uppity Irishman,kinda like how Dan Henderson got cemented into American Hero status after KOing Bisping.

I agree he wasn't getting much credit beforehand but he was in Danas bad books then and they were paying him badly and probably purposely matchin him up bad.

It seems like the UFC are really trying to use this to push Diaz forward a bit now and build him into a star now that they seem to have ironed out their contract dispute with him.Either way my point about his record was just like if Conors 20 plus fights were 20 of diaz opponents not sure his record his so good either,it might be still pretty good but unlikely to be what it is now.

You're talking not but sense. At the end of the day I think things would be a lot duller without the likes of Conor and Nate. A lot of boring fighters out there both inside and outside the cage. These guys are comedy gold and are exciting fighters... and they deep down respect each other. Hopefully it happens.

Cathy.C

pone2012 wrote: »

I was looking forward to this fight...but the way Conor is acting I genuinely hope that the UFC, and Nate Diaz never give him the chance...Seriously..

You hope Nate never gives Conor the chance?? :P

Nate is dancing a jig that Conor ever decided to fight him when RDA pulled out. He is now a multi millionaire many times over thanks to that decision and far from a possibility of him not going to fight Conor again, he has in fact refused to fight other fighters at UFC 200 just so he can wait and have that rematch, and who could blame him, as he will make even more money the next fight than he did from the first.

He's talking smack about a guy who tapped him out in 2 rounds

Tapping out played no part in that fight. None. The fight was over while Conor was still on his feet.

with 11 days to prepare and no camp...There is no excuse..no weight, no cardio... nothing..He is the inferior fighter...its simple really

This overstated nonsense just won't end will it. You'd swear Nate was retired, living on a beach some place, eating only hot dogs and donuts for a couple of years, washing it all down with tequila shots and hadn't moved from a deckchair in over a month. Then Dana calls and tells him he better get his s*** together as he's been taken out of retirement to fight McGregor in just 10 days time. Mother of Christ. Truth be told he had better preparation than Conor did, who was been wheeled from TV show to TV show the month of the fight and was also being followed by camera crews non stop. He was also eating steaks for breakfast and working his muscles hard (if his Embedded episodes were anything to go by at least).

Here are some quotes from an interview with Nate the week before the fight where he was asked where he was at with his training when he got the call (go to 2m 50 seconds in):

"I always train, I always train to fight.

"Sometimes I'm training harder when I'm not fighting, because I don't have too many hobbies, all I do is train.

"If I got nothing to do, I'll be at the gym and there really is not a lot to do. The fight came up and it was time to go".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYXoVOJsogs

I really like Nate, he's a hard guy not to like tbh but this whole 'fat boy in Cabo, he only had 10 days notice with no camp' stuff is so overstated.

Wrongway1985

newbbieb wrote: »

Either way my point about his record was just like if Conors 20 plus fights were 20 of diaz opponents not sure his record his so good either,it might be still pretty good but unlikely to be what it is now.

8 of 10 Diaz losses fought for title in UFC/Strikeforce. 0 of 3 in Conors case.

Mellor

Cathy.C wrote: »

Tapping out played no part in that fight. None. The fight was over while Conor was still on his feet.

The exchange on the feet was the catalyst for the finish, but to say the the ground played no part in it, and it was over before that, is just plain wrong.

Mellor

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

8 of 10 Diaz losses fought for title in UFC/Strikeforce. 0 of 3 in Conors case.

You might want to rethink that last bit...Clue:

Nate Diaz

Lukker-

Mellor wrote: »

The exchange on the feet was the catalyst for the finish, but to say the the ground played no part in it, and it was over before that, is just plain wrong.

He didn't leave himself with many options after that takedown attempt

CatFromHue

Mellor wrote: »

But it's not "someone else's promo". She is one of two title holders on the card. In any other card, the brunt of the onus for promoting would lie with with the two title fights. However, with Conor there, she had a free ride to 1.5million buys and a PPV bonus.
Without out Conor there she has to sing for her supper. And isn't happy about it, it's incredibly ironic.

It was someone else's promo in that it was time reserved for McGregor as no one knew what was going on.

She had done her part but was then asked to do more as the promo makers where caught on the hop by McGregor not being there.

If it was a few weeks out that McGregor decided not to do the stuff that's different but it wasn't, it was a few days so all the plans were thrown in the air.

As I said the UFC needs to think about how they promote the superstars but alot of people are correct to feel peeved about throwing their schedule out the window as McGregor decided at the last minute not to do the stuff.

Cathy.C

Mellor wrote: »

The exchange on the feet was the catalyst for the finish, but to say the the ground played no part in it, and it was over before that, is just plain wrong.

It's not wrong. He was KO'd if he had stayed on his feet.

You think that squirming on the canvas was representative, in any way shape or form, of Conor's Jiu Jitsu skills?

Come on. Fight was over. Even Nate says as much.

"So then all of a sudden he is shooting for a take down and it's 'oh so you're a wrestler now, you're a wrestler, remember I'm the black belt in Jiu Jitsu and you're shooting on me now? So you and me know that is this is a wrap, the beginning of the end.."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2zANlbiywM

Mellor

Lukker- wrote: »

He didn't leave himself with many options after that takedown attempt

I beg to differ tbh.
It wasn't simply a case of he shot a takedown, Nate rolled him over, punched him in the face, Conor turn and got the choke. It was a much more intricate sequence than that.
A small mistiming in that sequence and the fight didn't end there. The results may or may not have changed in a later round. But saying the ground sequence was not a factor is wrong. imo

Cathy.C wrote: »

It's not wrong. He was KO'd if he had stayed on his feet.

But he didn't stay on his feet, so that's not relevant. Might as well say it wouldn't have been over if he didn't get hit.
I'm talking about what happened when it hit the ground.

You think that squirming on the canvas was representative, in any way shape or form, of Conor's Jiu Jitsu skills?

I think that sequence is representative of Nate's Jiu Jitsu. I also think that initially Conor was using solid jiu jitsu, despite the #whitebelt moniker he earned for it. It's simply that Nate was able stay marginal ahead. And the difference between the finish and the bell was really marginal.

Verses a different fighter, after getting rocked on the feet exactly the same, and shooting the same sloppy takedown into a guillotine, He would have ended up in side control. The fight wouldn't have ended.

Getting rocked on the feet led to the finish, sure. I made that point after the fight when people were talking about basic sub defense. But it was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. That's all I'm saying.

Mellor

Mellor wrote: »

I beg to differ tbh.
It wasn't simply a case of he shot a takedown, Nate rolled him over, punched him in the face, Conor turn and got the choke. It was a much more intricate sequence than that.
A small mistiming in that sequence and the fight didn't end there. The results may or may not have changed in a later round. But saying the ground sequence was not a factor is wrong. imo


But he didn't stay on his feet, so that's not relevant. Might as well say it wouldn't have been over if he didn't get hit.
I'm talking about what happened when it hit the ground.


I think that sequence is representative of Nate's Jiu Jitsu. I also think that initially Conor was using solid jiu jitsu, despite the #whitebelt moniker he earned for it. It's simply that Nate was able stay marginal ahead. And the difference between the finish and the bell was really marginal.

Verses a different fighter, after getting rocked on the feet exactly the same, and shooting the same sloppy takedown into a guillotine, He would have ended up in side control. The fight wouldn't have ended.

Getting rocked on the feet led to the finish, sure. I made that point after the fight when people were talking about basic sub defense. But it was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. That's all I'm saying.

You make no sense whatsoever.
It was quite clear to all impartial fans that Conor was gonna be dropped if he stayed on his feet.
It was also quite clear that he was hammered on the canvas and nothing like some magic split second decision on Conor's part was gonna change it.

Mellor

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

You make no sense whatsoever.
It was also quite clear that he was hammered on the canvas and nothing like some magic split second decision on Conor's part was gonna change it.

I'm sorry that you didn't understand my post. Which part do you need me to explain?

I completely agree that Conor was going to be finished standing. I've never said and differently?

Right after the fight I said;

Mellor wrote:

The sub win was more over being rocked on the feet than poor grappling skills

As yes, he was dominated the final exchange on the ground. "Hammered" as you put it. Again, I never said he wasn't.
Check what I actually said, and not what you think I am saying.

Mellor

Mellor wrote: »

I'm sorry that you didn't understand my post. Which part do you need me to explain?

I completely agree that Conor was going to be finished standing. I've never said and differently?

Right after the fight I said;


As yes, he was dominated the final exchange on the ground. "Hammered" as you put it. Again, I never said he wasn't.
Check what I actually said, and not what you think I am saying.

Your replies read like you believe Conor went for the takedown because he had some intricate sequence planned when the dogs in the street could see it was a panic move from a gassed out fighter who was out of his depth both physical and mental!

Mellor

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Your replies read like you believe Conor went for the takedown because he had some intricate sequence planned when the dogs in the street could see it was a panic move from a gassed out fighter who was out of his depth both physical and mental!

I never said anything remotely like like tbh.

The exchange on the feet was the catalyst for the finish, but to say the the ground played no part in it, and it was over before that, is just plain wrong.

Mellor

Mellor wrote: »

I never said anything remotely like like tbh.

Again, McGregor went for the wrestling move because he was done standing, wasting all his energy and getting rocked and almost losing his legs from a hit just before that.
He went to ground because he was done going toe to toe, and was going to lose otherwise, so it's not wrong to say the fight was lost before he went to ground!

To suggest that the ground game played a part would be to suggest Conor could've won had he stayed on his feet, and that is wrong as the evidence showed.

Depp

100% he was definitely rocked amd he probably went for the takedown to give himself a bit to recover but you cant say he 'lost before he went to the ground'

yourdeadwright

darced wrote: »

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No way is Condit a better striker than Conor, I cant believe anyone would even think that. He is certainly tougher but technically he is miles behind him in footwork, timing, boxing, even defence, yeah Conor gets hit but look at the slips in the Nate fight, beautiful countering that we dont see much in MMA.[/quote]

Once Diaz got his timing going he really hurt Conor on the feet and remember Diaz had no sparring before the fight, Condit outstruck Nick Diaz who's better than Nate on his feet, people say he ran but he outstruck him ,
Conor has power in his left hand and looks for that shot over and over again,He has good timing but his kicks aren't great and doesn't use knees or Elbows,
Conor couldn't change his game up like Condit could, I stick by statement Condit is far more diverse and more well rounded striker,

Mellor

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Again, McGregor went for the wrestling move because he was done standing, wasting all his energy and getting rocked and almost losing his legs from a hit just before that.
He went to ground because he was done going toe to toe, and was going to lose otherwise,

You keep repeating that, and I kept point out how I don't disagree with any of that. I'm not sure if I can make it any clearer.

To suggest that the ground game played a part would be to suggest Conor could've won had he stayed on his feet

How did you draw that conclusion. A bit of an illogical leap tbh.
What if it was a back and forth scramble before Nate won. Who that have played a part? Would that still suggest that Conor could have won on the feet. Of course not. The two are unrelated.

Conor was in trouble on the feet, if he stayed standing he probably have been stopped. We don't know for sure.
But he didn't stay standing, he got out of that spot by shooting. He was probably still a bit shook up. But if you think the grappling exchange and Nate's jiu jitsu didn't play a part then you weren't paying attention.

Cathy.C

Mellor wrote: »

I think that sequence is representative of Nate's Jiu Jitsu. I also think that initially Conor was using solid jiu jitsu, despite the #whitebelt moniker he earned for it. It's simply that Nate was able stay marginal ahead. And the difference between the finish and the bell was really marginal.

Ah come on. That's just baloney in fairness. Nate was able to stay 'marginally ahead'? 'Marginally'?? Conor's jiu jitsu was solid?? The guy went at Nate like a clumsy oaf. Nate leg trapped, mounted and rnc'd him as if he was manipulating the body of one of the kids he teaches on a Sunday. There was almost no resistance from Conor. His only defense against the punches was to squirm away from them.

There was nothing solid about Conor's jiu jitsu after he went to ground, nothing and the difference was far from marginal.

Verses a different fighter, after getting rocked on the feet exactly the same, and shooting the same sloppy takedown into a guillotine, He would have ended up in side control. The fight wouldn't have ended.

Getting rocked on the feet led to the finish, sure. I made that point after the fight when people were talking about basic sub defense. But it was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. That's all I'm saying.

It wasn't a different fighter though and so that's a pointless comment. As Nate himself said, Conor was gassed out, he could feel it, hear it and so when he went for the takedown he knew it was "a wrap". If Conor put up anything close to a fight on the ground I would agree with you to some degree, that a large and important part of the fight took place on the ground, but the reality is that there was no real fight on the ground, which is why Conor tapped out as fast as he did when the choke was put on him, as he knew he was done, and more importantly, he knew that Nate knew he knew it.

micks

Cathy.C wrote: »

It's not wrong. He was KO'd if he had stayed on his feet.

You think that squirming on the canvas was representative, in any way shape or form, of Conor's Jiu Jitsu skills?

Come on. Fight was over. Even Nate says as much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2zANlbiywM

why not quote the bit of that video where diaz says if he'd been able to spar in the lead up to the fight he wouldnt have been caught by mcgregor in the first rd?
but it doesnt matter that he didnt have a proper camp of course

Ush1

Depp wrote: »

100% he was definitely rocked amd he probably went for the takedown to give himself a bit to recover but you cant say he 'lost before he went to the ground'

He wasn't only rocked he was also exhausted, that was the main factor. Nate was fine and there was plenty of time left in the round, no way I could see Conor surviving.

Mellor

Mellor wrote: »

You keep repeating that, and I kept point out how I don't disagree with any of that. I'm not sure if I can make it any clearer.


How did you draw that conclusion. A bit of an illogical leap tbh.
What if it was a back and forth scramble before Nate won. Who that have played a part? Would that still suggest that Conor could have won on the feet. Of course not. The two are unrelated.

Conor was in trouble on the feet, if he stayed standing he probably have been stopped. We don't know for sure.
But he didn't stay standing, he got out of that spot by shooting. He was probably still a bit shook up. But if you think the grappling exchange and Nate's jiu jitsu didn't play a part then you weren't paying attention.

Paying attention?
Probably would've been stopped?
It was blatantly obvious but as it doesn't suit your argument you pretend it's not relevant as to why he went to ground......he was losing the fight badly.
He went to ground and showed nothing but blind arm waving after that to protect his face.
You are as deluded as Conor is if you believe all of that.

Mellor

Cathy.C wrote: »

It wasn't a different fighter though and so that's a pointless comment.

How is it pointless? You said that the ground played no part in the finish. On that basis, any opponent should of been able to finish. I'm saying they they wouldn't have, therefore Nate's Jiu Jitsu most definitely played a part.

As Nate himself said, Conor was gassed out, he could feel it, hear it and so when he went for the takedown he knew it was "a wrap".

Im sure he did, it was a desperate move from Conor. Doesn't mean it was irrelevant though.

Ah come on. That's just baloney in fairness. Nate was able to stay 'marginally ahead'? 'Marginally'?? Conor's jiu jitsu was solid?? The guy went at Nate like a clumsy oaf. Nate leg trapped, mounted and rnc'd him as if he was manipulating the body of one of the kids he teaches on a Sunday.

Conor's takedown was poor, really poor. There was no penetration step, no drive, and his head was down.
The head being down allowed Diaz to grab a arm-in guillotine. As Diaz sat back, Conor grabbed the far leg, to pass to that side. That's good awareness of what was happening, a lot of guys are just going to in full guard tapping.
Diaz inverted his guard and trapped the leg.
That was a huge factor imo. That tiny hook dictated the rest rest of the fight. Had he not hooked the leg. Conor passes to side and Nate has to let go, as he's in the bad spot.

Then Conor lifted his hips to defend the choke. I think he planned to leg drag and pass back the other side. (ie the BJ Pass he used vrs Siver). Diaz recognized that his inverted guard wasn't going to hold and moved to take the guillotine from the top. Conor started his roll escape, the one vrs Mendes from UFC 189. He freed himself from the inverted guard and guillotine. But Diaz knew he had lost it and switched to an underhook, it prevented Conor from rolling away. Then he used that underhook to stop Conor turning over in mount (the first time). From there it was punch, punch, back take, slap choke.

I agree that he was rocked on the feet and that was the biggest factor in the finish. That's been my position since the fight. But I just feel that its completely wrong, and pretty dismissive of Diaz' skills, to say the above grappling sequence played no part in the fight/finish.