Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

finglashoop

Lukker- wrote: »

The numbers don't really back this up. The fact is if Conor or Ronda are on the card it will double the buys.

The UFC can groom new stars but it takes time to build them up and you'd have to imagine they are at least 2 years off bringing through another superstar, whoever that may be.

Even when Weidman was champ he didn't have close to the pull Ronda or Conor did and you'd think he ticks many of the boxes. Undefeated, family man, literally a walking piece of apple pie, the person who dethroned Silva.

Historically the UFC haven't had too many stars that have transcended the sport itself. GSP was one. Brock possibly even though he was short lived and Ronda, Liddel and Silva was probably the biggest of all. He was at one time the biggest sports star in Brazil but after he got popped and lost his title people don't even want to know who he is there.

So I disagree, the UFC itself is part of the attraction but not it needs it's big fighters to prop it up. The show must go on of course but the UFC would very much prefer if that was with Conor.

You misread what i meant. Its how they do business, no fighter will be allowed be bigger than the ufc itself, so the ufc is the attraction and the fighters are under that banner

Wrongway1985

Cathy.C wrote: »

Has to rankle with Lorenzo that someone he is having a power struggle with is still the biggest PPV draw for his company and that fighters are turning down slots on the biggest night in UFC history just to fight that fighter on another card.

UFC201 etc would probably make Nate more money against an opponent he already beat not to mention not sharing PPV points with Jones, Tate etc. He's hardly worried about a number before 196 his 6 previous fights were on free TV.

A milestone alright new arena in Vegas and such biggest night many variables suggest may be it isn't but no doubt the UFC marketing machine will tell you it is

Cathy.C wrote: »

UFC don't exactly come away from this smelling of roses either. Reprimanding Conor so publicly, in such a disproportionate way, they might very well have won the battle, but they have far from won the war and are also far from unscathed, in an overall sense at least. Yes, they will lose out on $40m or so but more than that, they have also come across as quite amateurish in how they have dealt with this situation. There is a reason that most professional sports fine their stars for missing certain events, not meeting their obligations etc and that is because it works and also because there is little consequence the for the sport or its fans when they do that.

What the UFC did however was grossly cut off their own nose to spite their own face. They publicly deflated one of their most vocal stars, in a way which would be akin to a circus showing a video each night of how they inject sedation into their man eating lions before each show. McGregor's bark won't seem as fierce now when they wheel him out on Conan and Kimmel. End result being that they saw to that their main star would miss their main event and quite simply, it would not happen in any other sport, be that a heavyweight boxing champion getting pulled from a world title bout, or a football star being pulled from a European Cup Final. Baby, bath water and all that.

The UFC mightn't come out smelling as roses but crucially Conor doesn't either.

Conor publicly stating 200 won't do 1.5 million buys sounds like wishful thinking and simply if that's the case a very woeful attitude.

As for other sports comparisons a boxing champ pulled there is different repercussions in that situation, fighters and promoters in boxing can split and get new ones and still match make with same level opponents. Conor cannot split with UFC and still fight the competitors under the brand.

The football one; a player pulled for a particular reason is most likely getting paid for sitting on the bench or their couch at home Conor doesn't fight he is not getting paid.

The losing 40mil is completely exaggerated too (read espn article also), Conor is tied to the UFC for a number of fights he can fight 2-3 times a year and they cash in when that happens be it 201,202 etc.

Cathy.C

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

UFC201 etc would probably make Nate more money against an opponent he already beat not to mention not sharing PPV points with Jones, Tate etc. He's hardly worried about a number before 196 his 6 previous fights were on free TV.

I meant purely from a power standpoint there. Nate turning down 200 to wait for Conor undermined the UFC I feel. Sitting at a UFC 200 press conference saying you're going on vacation?

A milestone alright new arena in Vegas and such biggest night many variables suggest may be it isn't but no doubt the UFC marketing machine will tell you it is

I'm pretty sure though that them not being able to have McGregor on Good Morning America infuriated them on a business level. This was their time to go mainstream and no fighter in the UFC's history is more mainstream than Conor McGregor.

The UFC mightn't come out smelling as roses but crucially Conor doesn't either.

Totally agree, which is why I also used the word 'either'

Conor publicly stating 200 won't do 1.5 million buys sounds like wishful thinking and simply if that's the case a very woeful attitude.

Yeah, not sure why he makes some of the comments he does on Twitter. I think if we had seen them being said in person we might not be so put off by them. He loses a lot of his cheeky charm on social media. Trash talking and the like doesn't always translate very well on that medium. He's hardly a wordsmith at the best of times.

Although I liked this from him today. Back on point and lets hope it stays that way.

https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/727156559546081280

constance tench

Mod Edit: Warned for trolling..

jigglypuffstuff

Conors talking about excuses??

Realistically speaking..the real reason Conor wouldn't do the Marketing for 200 is because he's nothing left to say to Diaz...after all his mouthing he got his ass beat

Conor ' Diaz you soft skinny fat fake gangster '

Diaz ' beat your ass in 2 rounds '

Conor ' .... '

Diaz effectively rendered Conors best asset useless in this situation..So Conor took his ball and went home...UFC didn't wear it for a second

IMO the only one making excuses here is Conor tbh

Cathy.C

pone2012 wrote: »

Realistically speaking..the real reason Conor wouldn't do the Marketing for 200 is...

He would have done marketing. He only requested to be excused for the initial stages of it. As he said in his statement on April 21st:

I did not shut down all media requests. I simply wanted a slight adjustment. But it was denied.

I am still ready to go for UFC 200.

I will offer, like I already did, to fly to New York for the big press conference that was scheduled, and then I will go back into training. With no distractions.

Mellor

pone2012 wrote: »

Conors talking about excuses??

He was asked a question specifically about Nate saying "he wouldn't have been aboe to hit me if I had a full camp" or word to that effect

StringerBell

Nate said he didn't think he would have got clipped at all with a full camp, more of a boast really no?

Conor has been making excuses though which makes that tweet kinda funny.

newballsplease

#whitebelt

Lol

pone2012

pone2012 wrote: »

Conors talking about excuses??

Realistically speaking..the real reason Conor wouldn't do the Marketing for 200 is because he's nothing left to say to Diaz...after all his mouthing he got his ass beat

Conor ' Diaz you soft skinny fat fake gangster '

Diaz ' beat your ass in 2 rounds '

Conor ' .... '

Diaz effectively rendered Conors best asset useless in this situation..So Conor took his ball and went home...UFC didn't wear it for a second

IMO the only one making excuses here is Conor tbh

you're not far wrong, that is part of it alright. how could he walk into Stockton and mouth off as per last time, having had his arse handed to him by a guy who helps the elderly on weekends!!

Mouthalmighty

I think people are quick to hang CMcG here. I think his claim has some merit, he does a press event in Vegas, 14 hour flight, jet lag, & all other factors = a week of training missed. American fighters have a max of 3-4 hour flights = a day of training missed maybe two. Yes the situation got a wee bit silly at times with McG's tweets but I believe that CMcG is right in his assertions and saying no. He is essentially acting like a martial artist as opposed to a prize fighter on this occasions. He wants to train and improve as he is fighting a bad MF in Diaz. I think people are overlooking the challenge that Diaz presents for any fighter. He is very well rounded, teak tough along with being much taller bigger and stronger. I don't see why skype or some such can't be used and as a previous poster the UFC is biting off their nose to spite their face. He is THE BIGGEST DRAW period. He WILL sell a crap load of PPVs. This is an easily solvable problem but the brass won't do it out of ego (which is on both sides to be fair). I just want to see a good fight.

StringerBell

One thing that has been shown about McGregor, and it is why I think the UFC have taken the hard line and will take the hit on UFC200, it should do well enough off its own bat.

McGregor pretty much guarantees huge numbers regardless of the card, they will be happy to have him on 201,203,204 etc knowing the numbers will be huge, this is not the UFC cutting off their nose to spite their face, they will not do as well with McGregor not on 200? Thats ok, they will make up for it by having him on another card where the interest and buys will spike because he is involved.

(I'm not going to bother going back over the travel thing)

finglashoop

Mouthalmighty wrote: »

I think people are quick to hang CMcG here. I think his claim has some merit, he does a press event in Vegas, 14 hour flight, jet lag, & all other factors = a week of training missed. American fighters have a max of 3-4 hour flights = a day of training missed maybe two. Yes the situation got a wee bit silly at times with McG's tweets but I believe that CMcG is right in his assertions and saying no. He is essentially acting like a martial artist as opposed to a prize fighter on this occasions. He wants to train and improve as he is fighting a bad MF in Diaz. I think people are overlooking the challenge that Diaz presents for any fighter. He is very well rounded, teak tough along with being much taller bigger and stronger. I don't see why skype or some such can't be used and as a previous poster the UFC is biting off their nose to spite their face. He is THE BIGGEST DRAW period. He WILL sell a crap load of PPVs. This is an easily solvable problem but the brass won't do it out of ego (which is on both sides to be fair). I just want to see a good fight.

Ufc are showing mcgregor who is the boss. its that simple. And the short term cash loss is a hit they seem more than willing to take. Mc gregor will make money in his next fight that he would have made on this card.

Mellor

Mouthalmighty wrote: »

He WILL sell a crap load of PPVs. This is an easily solvable problem but the brass won't do it out of ego (which is on both sides to be fair).

I think it's a bit ridiculous to suggest the UFC brass are doing this out of ego. And that they are somehow losing out, but stubbornly not giving in. There are multiple shareholders, they aren't going let one of the other throw away millions over saving face.

The fact is, they will have weight up their options, and they simply aren't losing out here.

The current UFC 200 plus UFC 202 with McGregor headlining will sell more PPVs between them, than UFC 200 with McGregor and an empty UFC 202.

This whole fiasco gave them a load of free publicity for UFC 200. McGregor tried to leverage that against hi no-show. But the fact is, once the genie is out of the bottle, it's not under his control. The UFC already have it.

pone2012

pone2012 wrote: »

Conors talking about excuses??

Realistically speaking..the real reason Conor wouldn't do the Marketing for 200 is because he's nothing left to say to Diaz...after all his mouthing he got his ass beat

Conor ' Diaz you soft skinny fat fake gangster '

Diaz ' beat your ass in 2 rounds '

Conor ' .... '

Diaz effectively rendered Conors best asset useless in this situation..So Conor took his ball and went home...UFC didn't wear it for a second

IMO the only one making excuses here is Conor tbh

Totally agree!
Nate does act gangster, but he did choke him out gangster style after all his mouthing!

weldoninhio

With his latest ramblings McGregor is in danger of becoming a parody of himself. Claiming he's gonna toy with Diaz when the rematch happens.

After all his excuses about getting back to basics etc. He'd have been as well keeping his mouth shut in the build up to Diaz, whenever it happens and concentrating on winning rather than talking nonsense.

John_D80

weldoninhio wrote: »

With his latest ramblings McGregor is in danger of becoming a parody of himself. Claiming he's gonna toy with Diaz when the rematch happens.

After all his excuses about getting back to basics etc. He'd have been as well keeping his mouth shut in the build up to Diaz, whenever it happens and concentrating on winning rather than talking nonsense.

You may only have been exposed to him since he went to the UFC but to be fair to him, McGregor has been verbally lambasting his opponents since long before he was in the UFC at all. The verbal sparring was always part of his ''prep''. So that (slating Diaz) is all part of him getting back to basics IMO. Its one of the things he does best.

Just because Diaz won the last fight, that doesn't mean he is not vulnerable to a good old fashioned psych-out!! :-)

Saipanne

John_D80 wrote: »

You may only have been exposed to him since he went to the UFC but to be fair to him, McGregor has been verbally lambasting his opponents since long before he was in the UFC at all. The verbal sparring was always part of his ''prep''. So that (slating Diaz) is all part of him getting back to basics IMO. Its one of the things he does best.

Just because Diaz won the last fight, that doesn't mean he is not vulnerable to a good old fashioned psych-out!! :-)

I don't see McGregor getting to Diaz, mentally. Not even slightly.

John_D80

Saipanne wrote: »

I don't see McGregor getting to Diaz, mentally. Not even slightly.

Perhaps he will, perhaps he wont. But at the very least it seems to be a big part of his own mental preparation and it seems to help him, as much if not more than it hinders his opponents.

A lot of fighters need to stir up animosity within themselves for their oppponents as part of their pre fight routine. Ive always thought Conor was one. Once the fight is over that layer of animosity fades away.

lougal88

John_D80 wrote: »

Saipanne wrote: »

I don't see McGregor getting to Diaz, mentally. Not even slightly.

Perhaps he will, perhaps he wont. But at the very least it seems to be a big part of his own mental preparation and it seems to help him, as much if not more than it hinders his opponents.

A lot of fighters need to stir up animosity within themselves for their oppponents as part of their pre fight routine. Ive always thought Conor was one. Once the fight is over that layer of animosity fades away.

I'm looking forward to seeing what he is going to say to try and unhinge Diaz or stir himself up. So far the best he has come up with on social media is that he will "toy" with him.

I'm also of the opinion that Diaz will win the verbal battles this time having made Conor tap. Whether it was due to Conor gassing, getting rocked, being poor on the ground whatever the opinion the result is the same, he was finished in the most convincing fashion.

Not much he can say at all, which IMO is why he ducked the media obligations (not all but at least the initial conferences).

I also think himself and Kavanagh should lay off social media as it is getting beyond embarrassing at this stage.

TheNap

My god can he stay off social media for a week at least.

Yes you caught him with your uppercut on numerous occasions.

Caught him and had no affect on him.

I look at that as a negative not a positive.

From initially taking the defeat well i think the longer time goes on the bigger affect the defeat has had on him.

VisibleGorilla

I thought a rematch was stupid and still do, but with the way he is talking now I'd LOVE to see Diaz choke him out yet again.

What the hell is the guy thinking? He can earn a lot of respect back by defending his belt instead of making himself look more and more like a fool.

RonanP77

Saipanne wrote:

I don't see McGregor getting to Diaz, mentally. Not even slightly.

It's like trying to intimidate a turnip. He doesn't understand half of what Conor says.

cloudatlas

TheNap wrote: »

My god can he stay off social media for a week at least.

Yes you caught him with your uppercut on numerous occasions.

Caught him and had no affect on him.

I look at that as a negative not a positive.

From initially taking the defeat well i think the longer time goes on the bigger affect the defeat has had on him.

Agree, the 'he was swept and controlled' comment just shows how deluded he is.

He won't psych out Nate, he is posting good responses to Conor's rubbish on twitter.

Conor's approach is all based on 'The secret' book affirmations the philosophy being, if you say it out loud and you believe it it will come to pass.

dashoonage

cloudatlas wrote: »

Conor's approach is all based on 'The secret' book affirmations the philosophy being, if you say it out loud and you believe it it will come to pass.

I believe Conor will shut up.
I believe Conor will shut up.
I believe Conor will shut up.
I believe Conor will shut up.
I believe Conor will shut up.
I believe Conor will shut up.

yourdeadwright

rusty cole wrote: »

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Put it this way, Condit is a better striker than Conor, is bigger than Conor and he couldn't put Robbie away. Robbie throws absolute bombs and is a massive welter weight. If he fought Conor, it wouldn't last very long, he'd wade through everything Conor threw at him and then unleash a bomb of an overhand left and it's night night time.

Conor is an average sized LW and a big FW, he's a very small WW.

Weight classes exist for a reason. We saw what a big LW did to Conor, Robbie Wouldn't take 2 rounds to wobble Conor and when did he wouldn't do the humane thing and choke him out, he'd throw bombs from the top until the ref stopped it.

Conor will defend his FW belt and after that if he doesn't lose to Frankie, he can talk about going to LW and fighting someone like Ferguson. Diaz or Khabib.

I really don't think he has a hope in hell of getting the LW strap though, it's just a completely different ball game in that division.

I have to pull ya there, condit is not a better striker than mcgregor, no fecking way. mcgregor is where he is now purely on his efficiency as he admits, nominal output maximum hit rate. his power decimates 145'ers but cannot carry into WW as we seen. I agree, condit is a beast, he's a 6 foot plus lean welter weight who should go over when hit, yet he can take the best out of big rig, lawlor and GSP and still keep truckin!!
I think condit is one of the greats, a real martial artist, throws left and rights followed by low then high kicks, has a very durable style and savage work rate plus fitness for weeks. He really is the champ that never was.

Condit is miles better striker than Conor it's not even close
Condit has way more diverse striking than Conor and miles better defence
Conor only has more power at his weight class that's it,

PokeHerKing

Can anyone tell me why people on twitter keeping post DAD after Mcgregors tweets?

Myrddin

Conor won't get inside Nate's head. Hell, he didn't the first time around, why would he now after being beaten? I don't believe this is why he didn't do the media obligations though, he'd have known he lost the psychological warfare aspect of this fight right after he lost their first bout, so it's hardly something he just remembered at the last minute. It'll be interesting to say the least, how he handles the presser for their rematch, whenever that may be (if at all).

PokeHerKing

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Can anyone tell me why people on twitter keeping post DAD after Mcgregors tweets?

Adopt me!
It's ridiculous grown adults using it at him.

I believe the reason McGregor won't be at UFC 200 is because he knows he needs serious time and training to beat Diaz!
And mouthing off just made him look an absolute tool after his last "panic and hit him with everything quick" mode.

Diaz can fight, isn't bothered by talking ****e, and isn't a one round wonder!