Baby screaming in restaurant

Deleted User wrote: »

What are the rules?

I want to see them written down. I haven't seen them. And I certainly didn't know that one of them was that you have to tolerate it when a parent makes his child scream in a restaurant. It makes me kinda think that your point may be patent nonsense. But if it's a rule, then I certainly will consider it.

Beatrice Inexpensive Staple wrote: »

Little belly laughs and high pitched screeching are two very different sounds. I will often smile and chat a bit to a baby in a restaurant who's obviously dying to engage. I will also sigh to myself when a child is screaming and parents are doing nothing about it. This attitude that some people love children and some people can't stand them and there's no middle ground is very annoying and seems to be used by some parents as an excuse to dismiss any complaints.

HensVassal wrote:

You sound very self entitled. You want others to go elsewhere if they don't want to hear a screaming baby. Why don't YOU go elsewhere with the screaming baby (like home)? The majority must be inconvenienced because the minority (you) think it's your right?

Whispered wrote: »

She quoted me then said something along the lines of "this attitude of...", it's reasonable to assume she was referring to the post she had quoted. But no big deal, I clarified and she clarified.

Now you seem to be saying I suggested that laughing and screeching are the same thing. Are you? If so, I did not say anything along the lines of it being the same thing. As I said (third time now) my point was that I found it amusing considering I had been reading this thread. It wasn't a comment on the OP at all in fact. It was supposed to be a silly little anecdote about how I was thinking of this thread. Still some negativity has been read into it.

looksee wrote: »

I think you should be able to expect to have a reasonable conversation in a restaurant. Since the father was deliberately encouraging the child to scream he was out of order.

Yesterday I was in the 'extra seating' area of a cafe and one person close to us was having a long conversation with someone on a smart phone. In order that she could look at the link image of the other person she had the conversation on speaker. It was in, maybe, Polish, so we could ignore the content of the conversation, still the jabber was more penetrating than an ordinary conversation. At the same time a woman at another table was having a conversation, also in another language, she was talking very loud, very fast and very constantly (no one else got a word in ) and it was a bit mesmerising. Not the best environment to try and have a normal conversation!

lawred2 wrote: »

so a father was having a nice time entertaining his child and the child was enjoying it..

and someone came over to complain?

good grief

go somewhere else if happy children bother you

One eyed Jack wrote: »

If as you say "it happens a lot" (I have no way to quantify what you mean by 'a lot'), then people are already aware of autism. In fact, so aware are some people of autism, that when my son kicked off outside a polling station because he wasn't allowed vote, my wife was giving him a stern talking to when an old lady came over to her and said -

"Leave him alone, he could be autistic!"

I had to calm my wife down before she lost it with the old lady! :pac:

I'm aware that it happens, I'm aware that people can be impatient and inconsiderate, I'm aware that everyone isn't going to understand every little tick and twitch and the multitude of other traits associated with autism. But y'know what? I'm also aware that the vast, vast, vast majority of people in society are good people!

I'm aware of the care almost to the point of smothering the children, that the children in my son's class in school, the whole school really, look out for, and are ferociously protective of a number of children that are on the spectrum. They don't do it because they have to be told to. They do it because they want to. Because they want children on the spectrum to feel like they are included and that they are cared for and that they are treated with the same dignity and respect as everyone else.

The Carly Fleischmann video is in the same "the world revolves around me" category, because the film is all about Carly Fleischmann's world, and her experience of being autistic. Her experiences may be worlds apart from someone else's experience of being autistic. That's why it's called a spectrum, because every person with autism is going to experience the world differently, from their perspective.

I've worked with adults and children with special needs/differently abled, whatever terminology you prefer to use, for much of my adult life, and because I don't define them by that one trait or ability, I treat them the same as I would anyone else. If we're in a restaurant having a meal, consideration and making allowances for other people always goes both ways.

Some people don't understand that, and they're usually people that aren't on the spectrum. Their disability is their bad attitude and their lack of consideration for other people, but thankfully that's a lot less common in society than any classified cognitive, emotional, behavioral or physical disability.

alan partridge aha wrote: »

They don't single out the baby, the tell the parents the cop on and control the child. I think people are more inclined to tell someone to quite down if they are noisy rather than tell parents to control their child.

I'd expect parents to have a bit of cop on if their child is making excessive noise. Not everybody loves your child.