Baby screaming in restaurant

roadrunner16

JustTheOne wrote: »

Go to a restaurant that doesn't allow kids if it bothers you.

Simple.

this seems relevant to your point


http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-was-refused-by-d4-restaurant-in-case-my-little-girl-disturbed-diners-30930651.html

Olishi4

gozunda wrote: »

But does sound like the OPS description of the noise the child in question made ..

Ye ok in fairness it does so i can understand that. It would be a bit strange if the dad was encouraging it so yea I can see how that would be annoying.

goz83

Pac1Man wrote: »

Yowza! Usually it's only a few words or maybe a sentence, but a whole paragraph?! Maybe dial back the passive aggressiveness if you want people to be more sympathetic to your opinion.

Apparently the first time wasn't clear enough, so yes, an entire paragraph was dedicated to explaining what I meant, so not to confuse again.

gozunda wrote: »

I've checked and tbh no one said that ...

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Someone did. He confirmed so much a minute after you posted. See below.

Pac1Man wrote: »

Yes lock them away, that's what I said.

Plenty of places for kids to enjoy themselves rather than an adult orientated eating place.



As you say, in Ireland we rarely have dedicated play areas. Parents should be aware of that.

Were you locked away as a child? I'm so sorry, because that would be one of two things that would explain your attitude. The other would be that you are just acting like a dick.

Not so much adult oriented are restaurants and cafes when the restaurant provides high chairs for babies. They are then "family friendly". If the place has a kids menu....well, then kids are welcome. Kids do make noise. If you go to a place like this, expect to hear children. If you dive into the ocean, you get wet.

I'm appalled by the intolerance of some posters here. Of course, some make good and valid points about parents attitudes and I agree, there must be a line drawn, but going by the op and the little amount of info given, the lady was out of order for approaching the father who was entertaining his child.

esforum

gozunda wrote: »

I think the point made was that adults go to restaurants for social reasons and to enjoy eating out ... babies are brought along with parents and whilst the they enjoy eating and gooing at things- they would just as happily eat and goo goo at anything anywhere ...

and adults can be happy eating at home with friends, again whats the point?

gozunda wrote: »

Parents here appear to have a terrible attitude / lack of consideration for others in public spaces

Because they think that they have a right to bring a human being to a restaurant? You have no more rights than the parent when in a restaurant. they arent bars, theres no signs prohibiting age.

gozunda wrote: »

Parents with children in many other countries in my experience do behave with consideration to others in restaurants, pubs etc (personally I do not like to see children in pubs)

In my experience they allow their children to run around like little lunatics until the early hours then bring them home.

Pubs in Ireland, yes. Abroad its fine.

Pac1Man wrote: »

Yes lock them away, that's what I said.

You implied they should not be in areas they dont NEED to be in.

Pac1Man wrote: »

Plenty of places for kids to enjoy themselves rather than an adult orientated eating place.

Restaurants are not adult orientated. They have child seats, childrens meals etc for a reason.

Pac1Man wrote: »

As you say, in Ireland we rarely have dedicated play areas. Parents should be aware of that.

agreed, they should be introduced.

HensVassal

EazyD wrote: »

I blame the parents solely in such scenarios. After all, kids are generally noisy whether happy or upset. I had one experience on an Aer Lingus flight where the toddler of the parents in front of me was restless and noisy for the duration of a 3 hour flight.

Not an issue as one could expect such but maybe half an hour before landing the child dunked a whole cup of tomato juice over me that the father had handed him. Hair/ Clothes saturated, bag etc. Of course I was unhappy but these things happen.

What really pissed me off was the lack of reaction or even shred of an apology from the parents for the inconvenience. Literally no acknowledgment. When I suggested such, the parents went off at me. It's this attitude with parents that really gets me. We appreciate you can do very little given the circumstances but at least show some mutual respect and consideration for others around you.

I blame....I blame....I blame

dr.fuzzenstein

roadrunner16 wrote: »

this seems relevant to your point


http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-was-refused-by-d4-restaurant-in-case-my-little-girl-disturbed-diners-30930651.html

Over the years I have found out that the Irish seem to really, really hate children, more so than any other country I've been in. And of course trees and animals. As well as fish, the Brits, now the Germans (for bailing you out), the yanks, the sea, but most of all and above everything else, each other.
I've been here for over 20 years and i still don't get the place.

edit: I am not being entirely serious here.

Robsweezie

It happened at lunch the other day when I sat down for a sandwich. Two kids screaming wrestling and grabbing flowers from a display while the parents chatted away.

To me it's a form of noise pollution , but it's something you have to expect when sharing a public space. Accepting it? That's up to you. I didn't say anything and likely wouldn't.

I understand wanting peace and quiet after forking out a fortune for a nice restaurant.

Putin

goz83 wrote: »

As a father of 5, I would disagree with you. Entertaining a child most often prevents the crying most people cannot stand to listen to. Damage control.

Also known as contraception.....:pac:

ceadaoin.

gozunda wrote: »

But does sound like the OPS description of the noise the child in question made ..

No it doesn't. That's a kid screaming. The OP said this was a baby shrieking with delight.

That restaurant is very noisy in general. I can't believe someone went to the bother of filming it tbh. Relax and eat your food, maybe have some wine, for gods sake!

gozunda

esforum wrote: »

and adults can be happy eating at home with friends, again whats the point?

Read again - adults go out to enjoy eating out and socialise - babies are brought along by parents etc (+ what I said previously)

because they think that they have a right to bring a human being to a restaurant? You have no more rights than the parent when in a restaurant. they arent bars, theres no signs prohibiting age.

*The difference being parents 'should' be in charge of said children. They are not 'adults'. Parents need to act accordingly so other adults can enjoy their meals.

...Pubs in Ireland, yes. Abroad its fine.

Alcohol + drinking = no place for children

Restaurants are not adult orientated. They have child seats, childrens meals etc for a reason.

See * above

Why do you believe children should be allowed to run riot without parental control in restaurants?

goz83

Putin wrote: »

Also known as contraception.....:pac:

Sure the more you have, the bigger your pension :pac:









I hope

ceadaoin.

gozunda wrote: »

Read again - adults go out to enjoy eating out and socialise - babies are brought along by parents etc (+ what I said previously)

because they think that they have a right to bring a human being to a restaurant? You have no more rights than the parent when in a restaurant. they arent bars, theres no signs prohibiting age.[/qoute]

*The difference being parents 'should' be in charge of said children. They are not 'adults'. Parents need to act accordingly so other adults can enjoy their meals.



Alcohol + drinking = no place for children



See * above

Why do you believe children should be allowed to run riot without parental control in restaurants?

Who said that children should be allowed to run riot? seems like you think a child simply being in an establishment is out of order and shouldn't be allowed.

gozunda

ceadaoin. wrote: »

No it doesn't. That's a kid screaming. The OP said this was a baby shrieking with delight.

That restaurant is very noisy in general. I can't believe someone went to the bother of filming it tbh. Relax and eat your food, maybe have some wine, for gods sake!

I beg to differ. The OP referred to the child 'shrieking' - the is what that child in the video is doing and "the screams were getting really ear piercing"

I really have to laugh at parents who will defend their bdly behaved children to the ends of the earth. Hilarious as long as you don't have to put up with them...

ceadaoin.

gozunda wrote: »

I beg to differ. The OP referred to the child 'shrieking' - the is what that child in the video is doing.

I really have to laugh at parents who will defend their bdly behaved children to the ends of the earth. Hilarious as long as you don't have to put up with them...

Who is defending badly behaved children? Many parents on here have said they would take the child outside if they were crying or screaming.

You don't want to see or hear children at all. That's an unrealistic expectation if you want to live in society.

I have to laugh at people who get worked up about such things. I mean really, life's too short.

goz83

gozunda wrote: »

Read again - adults go out to enjoy eating out and socialise - babies are brought along by parents etc (+ what I said previously)




*The difference being parents 'should' be in charge of said children. They are not 'adults'. Parents need to act accordingly so other adults can enjoy their meals.



Alcohol + drinking = no place for children



See * above

Why do you believe children should be allowed to run riot without parental control in restaurants?

Adults should of course be in control of their children. 100 percent agree.

The only point I would make about your post is about the alcohol. I personally don't like kids being brought to pubs. It's not a good environment for children. That said, I am only of that belief because we are in Ireland, where people drink to get drunk, rather than just enjoy one, or two and leave it at that. But thats a whole other string of threads. I reckon its in the single digits the amount if times I have had any of my kids in a pub in Ireland. When abroad, its more restaurant bars than pubs and they usually are much better places for children to have fun while parents socialise.

esforum

gozunda wrote: »

Read again - adults go out to enjoy eating out and socialise - babies are brought along by parents etc (+ what I said previously)

and again I ask whats your point, go to the pub then where children are not allowed and let us parents have the restauarant (that would not let me in with a child if they had a problem with it)

gozunda wrote: »

*The difference being parents 'should' be in charge of said children. They are not 'adults'. Parents need to act accordingly so other adults can enjoy their meals.

adults need to understand that theres these things called children and they share the world with them. You were one and perhaps someday, you shall also have one, or two, or three....

gozunda wrote: »

Alcohol + drinking = no place for children

thats your opinion and thats Ireland where the social liufe evolves sitting in a dark room getting drunk.

Ya know its not uncommon in mainland europe for people to go to a pub or similar and not drink at all. Go to Germany, Spain, Italy or France and actually go socialise in a non tourist area, you will see kids in restauarants, pubs (or similar) until the early hours at the weekend.

You will also see entire streets of bars with not a single bouncer. Crazy to an Irishman.

gozunda wrote: »

Why do you believe children should be allowed to run riot without parental control in restaurants?

quote me saying that please

gozunda

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Who said that children should be allowed to run riot? seems like you think a child simply being in an establishment is out of order and shouldn't be allowed.

Well there is much apparent approbation of the parents attitude in this thread. And nowhere did I say " a child simply being in an establishment is out of order and shouldn't be allowed."

Typical makey uppy what aboutary to change the argument :rolleyes:

ceadaoin.

gozunda wrote: »

Well there is much apparent approbation of the parents attitude in this thread. And nowhere did I say " a child simply being in an establishment is out of order and shouldn't be allowed."

Typical makey uppy what aboutary to change the argument :rolleyes:

Well that is the attitude that your comments are conveying to me. I apologise if you do not feel that way.

Can you point me to where anyone has said children should be allowed to run riot or someone has defended badly behaved children?

gozunda

esforum wrote: »

and again I ask whats your point, go to the pub then where children are not allowed and let us parents have the restauarant (that would not let me in with a child if they had a problem with it
adults need to understand that theres these things called children and they share the world with them. You were one and perhaps someday, you shall also have one, or two, or three....
thats your opinion and thats Ireland where the social liufe evolves sitting in a dark room getting drunk.
Ya know its not uncommon in mainland europe for people to go to a pub or similar and not drink at all. Go to Germany, Spain, Italy or France and actually go socialise in a non tourist area, you will see kids in restauarants, pubs (or similar) until the early hours at the weekend.
You will also see entire streets of bars with not a single bouncer. Crazy to an Irishman.
quote me saying that please

Re my question 'Why do you believe children should be allowed to run riot without parental control in restaurants?

That seems to be your 'belief' from your reaction to criticism of those who don't like children screaming and running riot or parents who don't give a flying care

ceadaoin.

goz83 wrote: »

Adults should of course be in control of their children. 100 percent agree.

The only point I would make about your post is about the alcohol. I personally don't like kids being brought to pubs. It's not a good environment for children. That said, I am only of that belief because we are in Ireland, where people drink to get drunk, rather than just enjoy one, or two and leave it at that. But thats a whole other string of threads. I reckon its in the single digits the amount if times I have had any of my kids in a pub in Ireland. When abroad, its more restaurant bars than pubs and they usually are much better places for children to have fun while parents socialise.

The village we've stayed in in Spain a few times has a little bar kiosk in the playground. The locals sit and have a couple of beers while the kids play. No one gets drunk that I've ever seen. Can you imagine that in Ireland?

gozunda

esforum wrote: »

and again I ask whats your point, go to the pub then where children are not allowed and let us parents have the restauarant (that would not let me in with a child if they had a problem with it)

Parents are adults who should be in charge of their children! Its not really that hard to understand and should not have to be explained. If 'us' parents :rolleyes: can't control a child then 'they' shouldn't be in a restaurant in the first place.

Adults need to understand that theres these things called children and they share the world with them. You were one and perhaps someday, you shall also have one, or two, or three....

Ye don't say! . I was and I do. Thanks for the presumption! It does not absolve a parent of the need to take charge of a child's behaviour and act appropriately

hats your opinion and thats Ireland where the social liufe evolves sitting in a dark room getting drunk.
Ya know its not uncommon in mainland europe for people to go to a pub or similar and not drink at all. Go to Germany, Spain, Italy or France and actually go socialise in a non tourist area, you will see kids in restauarants, pubs (or similar) until the early hours at the weekend.

So now you advocate keeping children up to the small hours of the morning in establishments that serve alcohol as well :eek:

ceadaoin.

gozunda wrote: »

So now you advocate keeping children up to the small hours of the morning in establishments that serve alcohol as well :eek:

In Spain, it's normal for kids to be up until 10/11pm during the week and later at weekends. They wouldn't sit down to dinner until at least 8. And yes, the parents might be having wine with dinner or as I mentioned above, drinking beer in the playground until late. Outrageous!

gozunda

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Who is defending badly behaved children? Many parents on here have said they would take the child outside if they were crying or screaming.

Indeed a few have...

you don't want to see or hear children at all. That's an unrealistic expectation if you want to live in society.

Makey uppy much? Correction to your statement- most people do not want to put up with others badly supervised children. That is not unreasonable. Expecting people to do so is.

have to laugh at people who get worked up about such things. I mean really, life's too short.

So in effect are you saying that there are no poorly supervised children? That people reacting to children who are running riot and or screaming are just being a tad sensitive? Really?

esforum

gozunda wrote: »

Parents are adults who should be in charge of their children! Its not really that hard to understand and should not have to be explained. If 'us' parents :rolleyes: can't control a child then 'they' shouldn't be in a restaurant in the first place.

Who cant control? and define control? Are they allowed make noise at all? move?

gozunda wrote: »

Ye don't say! . I was and I do. Thanks for the presumption! It does not absolve a parent of the need to take charge of your child's behaviour and act appropriately

didnt say it didnt. Merely said kids can be present

gozunda wrote: »

So now you advocate keeping children up to the small hours of the morning in establishments that serve alcohol as well :eek:

look, if you are ignorant to what the rest of the globe does, thats not my fault. As soneone else said, the Spanish wouldnt dream of eating dinner until 8pm, personally I would say closer to 10pm and the kids would easily stay up until 11pm or midnight.

Secondly as I also stated, plenty of place cater for children with meals, drinks and play areas. THey also dont have people falling out drunk or fighting.

open your mind to the possibility that Irish kids dont belong in Irish bars because the the Irish mentality regarding alcohol.

(i dont drink by the way but would still find myself in a bar or restaurant with my kids)

ceadaoin.

gozunda wrote: »

Indeed a few have...



Makey uppy much? Correction to your statement- most people do not want to put up with others badly supervised children. That is not unreasonable. Expecting people to do so is.




So in effect are you saying that there are no poorly supervised children? That people reacting to children who are running riot and or screaming are just being a tad sensitive? Really?

I'm sure there are parents who let their children run riot. That is unacceptable and I haven't seen anyone here defending that.

Personally I can't recall a single time that I've been in a restaurant or pub and witnessed this. Children crying or a baby shrieking with delight is not bad behaviour. These things are going to happen, once the parents deal with it appropriately then what's the big deal?

gozunda

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I'm sure there are parents who let their children run riot. That is unacceptable and I haven't seen anyone here defending that.

It is apparent in quite a few posts that there was refusal to a knowledge the issue. You said

... have to laugh at people who get worked up about such things. I mean really, life's too short.

No it is never a laughing matter when children are allowed to be that disruptive that it effects others in a setting such as restaurant. A public park or a play ground is obviously a different situation.

Personally I can't recall a single time that I've been in a restaurant or pub and witnessed this. Children crying or a baby shrieking with delight is not bad behaviour. These things are going to happen, once the parents deal with it appropriately then what's the big deal?

Read back through the thread and there are a good few examples given of this type of behaviour. I think the point of many posters here is that 'some' parents don't deal with such behaviour appropriately and either ignore it or expect others simply to put up with it.

ceadaoin.

gozunda wrote: »

It is apparent in quite a few posts that there was refusal to a knowledge the issue. You said



No it is never a laughing matter when children are allowed to be that disruptive that it effects others in a setting such as restaurant. A public park or a play ground is obviously a different situation.



Read back through the thread and there are a good few examples given of this type of behaviour. I think the point of many posters here is that 'some' parents don't deal with such behaviour appropriately and either ignore it or expect others simply to put up with it.

The video you posted really wasn't that bad, the restaurant was already very noisy without the noise of the child. It wouldn't bother me.

Many of the examples being given are children being normal children by crying or shrieking with laughter for example. To me that is not "running riot".

Some people seem to disagree with children being in restaurants in the first place or expect them to be totally silent if they are. That is unrealistic

gozunda

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The video you posted really wasn't that bad, the restaurant was already very noisy. It wouldn't bother me.

I put up that video as it appears to be close to what the OP described. And going from the comments yes many found it extremely annoying. I can see their point tbh.

Many of the examples being given are children being normal children by crying or shrieking with laughter for example. To me that is not "running riot"

Children 'Shrieking or crying' and how it impacts others is very dependent on the situation / location. As I said in a park or playground generally there is no problem. But place the same child in a small restaurant where people can't move away or ignore children being very loud and possibly invasive of inter personal space eg conversation being punctuated by high volume and repeated screaming or shrieking. I believe a number of posters described children running amok (on the loose effectively) in supermarkets etc - ie 'running riot'. I have seen an example of this type of behaviour only recently and the danger of those children having an accident was quite real due to lack of adequate supervision irregadless of the effect of that behaviour of other shoppers which was also very noticeable.

MadDog76

Dogs bark, babies cry, ducks quack, taxi drivers moan etc. ......... if you want to enjoy your meal in a peaceful controlled environment then stay at home where you get to make the rules.

gozunda

MadDog76 wrote: »

Dogs bark, babies cry, ducks quack, taxi drivers moan etc. ......... if you want to enjoy your meal in a peaceful controlled environment then stay at home where you get to make the rules.

Yeah move along- nothing to see here- it's all in yer heads ...