UFC 200 Jones vs Cormier 2

TheNap · 24-03-2016 01:54PM

Gamebred wrote: »

No double standards from me,fire away with the abuse of him for tapping for all I care he deserves it for saying that and back tracking,same way Aldo back tracked.

I wouldnt abuse him for tapping . I didnt take his statement seriously.

evil_seed · 24-03-2016 01:55PM

evolving tipperary wrote: »

GSP has a networth of 25 million - .

And neither he nor his biggest fans/haters ever talk about this. Can you see the difference and point people are making about all the money talk now?

Gamebred · 24-03-2016 01:56PM

GSP was the star fighter of a country with 30 or 40 million people in it,McGregor is from fecking Crumlin.

evolving tipperary · 24-03-2016 01:57PM

Swashbuckler;9916798
He didn't move up weights to 170 for the biggest payday - he moved up to accommodate Diaz when he espressed difficulty at making 155 so soon. He was getting a massive payday anyway - regardless of whether it was RDA or Diaz, all the promotion had been done. How could he have gone back to 145 when set to fight 155 (when walking around in the 160s - less than two weeks out... - nah, there was a line of lads queing for the fights - even if well done the roster. Hell, even BJ wanted the fight! He wanted that coin!!! There was zero chance of no payday...
I don't buy the obsessed with money argument- it's too easy to launch at this fight talk persona - I even think there was a sense of fandom to fighting Diaz - he even smiled when he got the Stockon slap. McGregor has modelled his fight persona to an extent on the Diaz's attitude. But, McGregor has taken it to another level ...

evolving tipperary · 24-03-2016 02:01PM

evil_seed wrote: »

evolving tipperary wrote: »

GSP has a networth of 25 million -

And neither he nor his biggest fans/haters ever talk about this. Can you see the difference and point people are making about all the money talk now?

Then why is GSP trying to make the comeback fight to fight mcgregor - FOR THE MONEY. So what, if he dosen't talk about it. He wants it.

I don't see any problem about money talk - the fight business is a money business. It's an integral part of it - there is no UFC without money or fighters or super-star fighters.

What's the point of not talking about it?

Gamebred · 24-03-2016 02:04PM

Dont know whats even being debated now its gone so far off course,

So about ufc 200....

evolving tipperary · 24-03-2016 02:16PM

Gamebred;99168356Dont know whats even being debated now its gone so far off course,

So about ufc 200....
What's your favoured fight card?

weldoninhio · 24-03-2016 02:16PM

Gamebred wrote: »

GSP was the star fighter of a country with 30 or 40 million people in it,McGregor is from fecking Crumlin.

What has the amount of people in your country got to do with anything??

Gamebred · 24-03-2016 02:21PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

What has the amount of people in your country got to do with anything??

its easier to make more money when you have a potential fanbase of 40m buying ppvs.

Faugheen · 24-03-2016 02:25PM

I still don't see how McGregor beats Diaz, either at 155 or 170.

There's far too many holes in McGregor's game, he's very limited but can hit like a train. He doesn't have the all-round game to stick it out for 5 rounds in my opinion.

It's just so pointless at 170. Have the fight at 155 with the winner facing RDA at least.

Crann na Beatha · 24-03-2016 02:32PM

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ASOT · 24-03-2016 02:32PM

Jesus lads learn how to quote a post the walls of text are making my eyes bleed.

Wrongway1985 · 24-03-2016 02:51PM

evolving tipperary wrote: »

I don't think it is as simple as that - he was called and Frankie said he was injured - recovering from an injury. But, Frankie also said he had said yes to the fight before and didn't get it - So, I assume UFC just contact four or five fighters when there is a pull - see who says yes then go with the best option. So, yeah, even if Frankie said yes he probably wouldn't have got it once Diaz said yes as he's a bigger draw and more exciting fight for fans. But, Frankie didn't go forward.

Frankie had notified the UFC of injury before RDA pulled out e.g. there was no phone call to be made having this info. It is as simple as that.

evolving tipperary wrote: »

They let Mendez compete after being concussed against McGregor - against Frankie. I think Mendez would usually take that punch - came back too early.

Regardless, of the situation - the chance to fight was there - McGregor fought Mendez with a ****ed up knee. Have to take your chances - plenty of players across sports play with cortizone injections and what not.

Frankie makes me laugh to be honest - always complaining that MMcGregor gets to do what he wants and is holding up two weights divisions. Well, he is doing it, Frankie and you're not. Go work as hard in front of the media and adapt or just staying whinging on the outskirts...

Mendes fought 5 months after the McGregor bout he would have had medical clearance and a full training camp in the books.

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Well, if he was that obsessed he would do everything he could to keep his 0 - he didn't

He had no 0 on his record anyway. Frankie makes you laugh but he has 4 losses 3 of which are in title fights, Conor has 3 period.

Conor is a natural on the Mic , Some fighters are clearly trying to go down that route but when it appears formalised it's just not appealing at all. Frankies all American personality isn't unique to the table unfortunately for him I don't get what he can "work" on that wouldn't come across as out of character.

Foxtrol · 24-03-2016 02:53PM

If you listen to Diaz’ interview from yesterday it’s really clear how different he and Conor are from the likes of Aldo.

They both want the big money fights, want to challenge themselves while Aldo did everything he could to attempt to protect his undefeated streak. I don’t like that in a fighter but worse is when they then go complaining over and over again that they aren’t making enough money. If you want big money you have to be involved in big fights, and coasting to victories over the likes of Lamas is not that.

As far as Edgar and Aldo being offered to sub in for RDA, it’s really their own doing. You can’t be going on social media constantly demanding fights, complaining about not getting shots, claiming you’ll fight people anywhere when you’re not fit to fight. If they (or whoever controls their twitter) were fine with manipulating everyone into believing they were good to fight then they should accept being called out when they turn things down. Live by the sword die by the sword.

Don’t think Diaz is a smart fight for Conor and it’s not really one I want to see again so soon but it’s definitely going to do big numbers and they’ll rightly get paid well for it.

evolving tipperary · 24-03-2016 03:07PM

Frankie had notified the UFC of injury before RDA pulled out e.g. there was no phone call to be made having this info. It is as simple as that.

They contacted him:
""I'm even more pissed that Dana's insinuating that I refused' to take this fight, which is bullsh*t," he said. "Just because they asked me doesn't mean they were going to give it to me because guess what, in July they asked me to take the [UFC 189] fight on 15 day's notice, which of course I accepted, and I still didn't get it.
"I have a feeling that if I had said yes,' if Ali had texted back yes,' that fight still would have went to Nate Diaz. I think Nate Diaz was the fight they were trying to make since the beginning. From what I hear they contacted Nate even before they contacted me. But now Dana wants to go around saying that I refused to take this fight, and I don't know if he's going to try to use it against me in the future when another opportunity comes up where I can fight for the belt, and he's going to say, well, you had your opportunity and you said no.'"
Lots of people would say five months is not enough. It's not a mild concussion...

McGregor had a 0 in the UFC - UFC is never tired of being derisive of other competitions. I think it's fair to say Conor was a different fighter then.

Frankie is 35 - his best days are gone and no, he can work on it, but it doesn't mean he can get better on the mic. He can maybe have a similiar career to Dan Henderson now (The Dan Hendeson in the second half of his thirties) (Not that he is as good as Dan Henderson).

Frankie got beaten up by Benson twice - who has since been beaten three times and Benson has moved on to Bellator I think. Frankie is not the Frankie of old.

You've also miscontrued my point - i was laughing in relation to his whinging - not his record.

Davei141 · 24-03-2016 06:41PM

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Frankie got beaten up by Benson twice - who has since been beaten three times and Benson has moved on to Bellator I think. Frankie is not the Frankie of old.

This quote just typifies some of the new (mcgregor) fans. Speak like they know what they are talking about (everyone can read sherdog records) but have absolutely no context because they probably haven't even watched any of the fights they are commenting so confidently on.

Wrongway1985 · 24-03-2016 06:55PM

evolving tipperary wrote: »

McGregor had a 0 in the UFC - UFC is never tired of being derisive of other competitions. I think it's fair to say Conor was a different fighter then.

Frankie is 35 - his best days are gone and no, he can work on it, but it doesn't mean he can get better on the mic. He can maybe have a similiar career to Dan Henderson now (The Dan Hendeson in the second half of his thirties) (Not that he is as good as Dan Henderson).

Frankie got beaten up by Benson twice - who has since been beaten three times and Benson has moved on to Bellator I think. Frankie is not the Frankie of old.

You've also miscontrued my point - i was laughing in relation to his whinging - not his record.

Please use quotations properly if you are going to use them at all!!

Frankie was not beaten up as you put it against Benson sure he lost the fights (the 2nd he should have got the nod IMO) all the same but wasn't put away decisively. Benson lost to 3 guys who come up all the time in discussion with regard to Conor at 155 don't like the guy but ya he went to Bellator and will prob be champ before year is out.

Frankie has shown nothing including the Aldo fight since to suggest he is on a decline perhaps you should go back and watch the fights instead of making your mind up based on looking up wikipedia which seems to be the case and to say that Frankie is currently on a Dan Henderson career path is absolutely ridiculous at this stage strange comparison too especially when many would regard 35-40 year old Dan as in his prime (He was 40 when he smashed Fedor btw).

Needs Must · 24-03-2016 07:23PM

Ah sure it's only 1 step up from wrestling, it's all fixed!!

Dtp1979 · 24-03-2016 09:27PM

Had to skip the last 18 pages. Is the fight confirmed??

Gamebred · 24-03-2016 09:28PM

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Had to skip the last 18 pages. Is the fight confirmed??

Contracts have been sent out,not signed yet.

finglashoop · 24-03-2016 10:17PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Contracts have been sent out,not signed yet.

Thats a weird thing to announce is it not?

I presume all the details of any contract would be agreed before its sent out. So its only a case of getting a signature?

Although it could Just be for publicity.

Edit: to clarify i know helwani was the one to announce still a long time for a signature

Gamebred · 24-03-2016 10:23PM

McGregor usually stalls around now and demands more cash,thats probably holding the announcement up,going by Kavanaghs comments too its pretty certain the rematch is happening,he was on a podcast (whoa) and discussed it,said he watched the first fight with Conor too fwiw,rubbished the weight excuse too.

finglashoop · 24-03-2016 10:25PM

Gamebred wrote: »

McGregor usually stalls around now and demands more cash,thats probably holding the announcement up,going by Kavanaghs comments too its pretty certain the rematch is happening,he was on a podcast (whoa) and discussed it,said he watched the first fight with Conor too fwiw,rubbished the weight excuse too.

I could understand a stall while negotiating the contract in the first instance. Someone must have rubber stamped it for it.to be sent out

Lukker- · 24-03-2016 11:54PM

Can a mod lock the thread? It's not official and we don't usually have a thread until a week out anyways so why so early?

evolving tipperary · 25-03-2016 12:20AM

Davei141 wrote: »

This quote just typifies some of the new (mcgregor) fans. Speak like they know what they are talking about (everyone can read sherdog records) but have absolutely no context because they probably haven't even watched any of the fights they are commenting so confidently on.

I'm not a new fan - but, you seem to be able to now what other people do or assume. The usual port of call for someone who has no argument or interesting point to make.

I don't believe the 145 division to be particularly strong - hence, Frankie's move there. He hasn't lit up the division. He has a lot of decisions against older guys - including Uriah, Swanson, he stopped BJ (worn out BJ - not prime BJ). It's not an amazing division. Which is highlighted by how easily McGregor went through it - that's a fact.

Frankie's opponent who caused him to drop in weight, Benson Henderson, was ko-ed by RDA in the first round...Benson was also beaten by Cowboy... - who RDA smashed... - Frankie is old hat - not an elite fighter anymore.

ASOT · 25-03-2016 12:23AM

evolving tipperary wrote: »

I'm not a new fan - but, you seem to be able to now what other people do or assume. The usual port of call for someone who has no argument or interesting point to make.

I don't believe the 145 division to be particularly strong - hence, Frankie's move there. He hasn't lit up the division. He has a lot of decisions against older guys - including Uriah, Swanson, he stopped BJ (worn out BJ - not prime BJ). It's not an amazing division. Which is highlighted by how easily McGregor went through it - that's a fact.

Frankie's opponent who caused him to drop in weight, Benson Henderson, was ko-ed by RDA in the first round...Benson was also beaten by Cowboy... - who RDA smashed... - Frankie is old hat - not an elite fighter anymore.

Benson was robbed against cowboy, and that's coming from somebody who had money on the fight. General question have you seen any of the Benson Frankie fights or the Cerrone fight?

evolving tipperary · 25-03-2016 12:29AM

Yes, I have seen the fights - it's been a while. RDA didn't let it get to a situation where he was robbed against Cowboy.....

ASOT · 25-03-2016 12:31AM

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Yes, I have seen the fights - it's been a while. RDA didn't let it get to a situation where he was robbed against Cowboy.....

Well RDA has absolutely nothing to do with what I said but carry on.

evolving tipperary · 25-03-2016 12:34AM

Wrongway1985;9917184

Frankie has shown nothing including the Aldo fight since to suggest he is on a decline perhaps you should go back and watch the fights instead of making your mind up based on looking up wikipedia which seems to be the case and to say that Frankie is currently on a Dan Henderson career path is absolutely ridiculous at this stage strange comparison too especially when many would regard 35-40 year old Dan as in his prime (He was 40 when he smashed Fedor btw).

Nah, laddie. Another mistaken assumption with little to back it up. Dan Henderson was at his best in Pride. Fedor has been knocked out in the first round in the two previous fights also - it was a Fedor that his chin and head mushed - wasn't moving the same.... Particularly those belfort and silva fights...
He was a great fighter in his UFC days - such a dangerous opponent - capable of pulling it out agianst anyone. The finish against Bisping was insane. But he was not the elite Dan Henderson of Pride...
I think Frankie can be that dangerous opponent but he is not a champion with Aldo and McGregor around - and, he certainly couldn't go back up to 155.

StringerBell · 25-03-2016 12:43AM

Serious question, what is the issue you are having with quoting properly?

UFC 200 Jones vs Cormier 2

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