UFC 200 Jones vs Cormier 2

Hayden Pennyfeather · 24-03-2016 11:50AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqsYcLVMHyM&ebc=ANyPxKoELbaExMce_YQfb-B8YPx0YDk44K00kufPe5IIFXNwlqtmEPrgcuHcR5TE_wcWIIYdSNynQjo_CZ-AHqBZB9zQ_rGufw

I think this thread needs some lightheartedness. Enjoy.

evil_seed · 24-03-2016 11:50AM

why does it always come back to money with you guys? May as well counter each reply with "I know you are but what am I" it gets used so much

Spudman_20000 · 24-03-2016 11:51AM

Mellor wrote: »

RDA might say that...if he hates money and doesn't care that his injury cost him millions.

Well, he has already said that money isn't his main motivation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOZ-smL13T8

Pull the other one Rafael

weldoninhio · 24-03-2016 11:52AM

Mellor wrote: »

RDA might say that...if he hates money and doesn't care that his injury cost him millions.

Maybe he's in the MMA to have the prestige of being world champion at a sport he loves?? Just because McGregor is obsessed with money doesn't mean everyone else is.

Kev_2012 · 24-03-2016 11:58AM

darced wrote: »

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Because he has to do a lot of cardio to drop down to that weight

Well there is more evidence of Aldo using steroids because they fecked about with giving the urine sample last year.

Also, as somebody that gained 2 stone of muscle over the space of about a year or so, it does seriously affect your cardio.

Walking around relatively fit at 170 and being fighting fit at 170 are 2 totally different things.

I don't know for certain with Conor but I can assure you, you may be able to run and not get tired, or box and not get tired but other parts of your body that are not used to the extra weight will draw more oxygen, become fatigued more quickly and it drags your whole body down fitness wise and that affects your mind too.

Have a look at the box that Diaz caught him with, he caught Conor a right punch, but a fit Conor wouldn't have stumbled about like a 17 year old after one too many blue WKD.

Conor will be a different beast once he sorts his fitness.

Fitness > Strength everytime.

Swashbuckler · 24-03-2016 11:59AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Maybe he's in the MMA to have the prestige of being world champion at a sport he loves?? Just because McGregor is obsessed with money doesn't mean everyone else is.

Money is exactly why every fighter on the roster want to fight him.

evolving tipperary · 24-03-2016 12:17PM

weldoninhio;9916633"evolving tipperary;99162957It's hardly a big deal - McGregor's already annihilated the guy who was beating everyone for ten years. I'm all for rematches - 13 seconds doesn't merit one - 8 years of being at the top? Okay. But, he got an opportunity to step up and Aldo didn't. Neither did Frankie.

By that logic, RDA can turn around and say he's not fighting McGregor. Diaz has already anhiliated him and RDA took him apart. Let McGregor scrap it out with the other 155 contenders before he gets a shot at the title.
Absolutely, RDA could say that if he lived in a UFC world where possessing a belt mattered more than being a audience draw- but, RDA doesn't have the most important belt in the business. The Money Belt or Viewers Belt - everybody wants to see Mcgregor fight - either because they hate or love him. Regardless, of what people think of McGregor he has a dynamite left hand, kos people in spectacular fashion, has charisma and goes over wth sporting audiences within and outside of MMA. When you do that, like for example Mayweather or OsCAR Dela Hoya, yo get to call the shots and make the money - and, quite rightly so, He is making money for the UFC that they've never made before (that includes Ronda). RDA? McDonald? Possibly superior fighters but come to interviews without any personality or anything to say...

slicus ricus · 24-03-2016 12:17PM

evil_seed wrote: »

why does it always come back to money with you guys? May as well counter each reply with "I know you are but what am I" it gets used so much

weldoninhio wrote:

Maybe he's in the MMA to have the prestige of being world champion at a sport he loves?? Just because McGregor is obsessed with money doesn't mean everyone else is

UFC is a business, they are in business to make a profit. The fights that are scheduled are always going to be the ones that will make the most profit. That is just something everyone needs to accept because it is not going to change. It is not like boxing where several organisations have their say and will impose mandatory title defenses on champions.

With regard to the fighters themselves, while they may not be obsessed with money in the way McGregor is, in my opinion you would be foolish to think that they don't put big pay days in what is a short career high on their agenda. RDA didn't have to take the fight with Conor but he did and it's fair to say that money was one of the main motivators for it.

Mellor · 24-03-2016 12:29PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Maybe he's in the MMA to have the prestige of being world champion at a sport he loves?? Just because McGregor is obsessed with money doesn't mean everyone else is.

On what planet are being a pauper or a obsessed the only two options. :rolleyes:
Money is a factor for every fighter at that level, it's not the only factor of course. But it isnt something a fighter is ignoring considering the work and sacrifices it took to get there.

No sure where you are pulling the above from regarding RDA. He's openly admitted that he lost his payday (his exact words), and that, it's not the most important thing, but everyone likes money (also his words).'

Regardless, he doesn't lose the prestige of being champ if he takes the money fight.

yourdeadwright · 24-03-2016 12:36PM

this fights screams of the UFC milking all the cash out of McGregor they can,
If he loses he's in the same spot he is now and they still get another big money fight against Frankie or Aldo.

Spudman_20000 · 24-03-2016 12:45PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

this fights screams of the UFC milking all the cash out of McGregor they can,
If he loses he's in the same spot he is now and they still get another big money fight against Frankie or Aldo.

Nate going on record as saying he would want a rematch at 155 makes things interesting.

If Conor loses again to him, but this time at 155, where does that leave him? I can't see him making 145 ever again.

evolving tipperary · 24-03-2016 12:51PM

If McGregor loses and pulls the same figures or better - he will get to call the shots again.
If he doesn't pull the figures he won't get to...
McGregor is not obsessed with money - he wanted to fight RDA for the belt - one of the toughest fights out there for him- RDA pulled - it was also a big money generator but McGregor wants to be champion at 155 (which I think he will be eventually - will take a few years though). Then Aldo pulled then Frankie. Simples. Enter Diaz - made huge money - McGregor wants to avenge his defeat. UFC rubs its hands - more money. McGregor is not getting milked - - he is doing some pretty good milking himself. Making money better than anyone else at the moment - all fighters want to make as much money as possible and get out healthy - win a few belts along the way. Being in a sport to just to win belts is a just a childish dream - fighters want to earn for their future and present just like anybody else.

GSP has a networth of 25 million - McGregor will probably be over the top of that after one more fight - less fights and at a yonger age - and sans the brain trauma. Absolutely fantastic achievement.

scudzilla · 24-03-2016 12:55PM

evolving tipperary wrote: »

McGregor is not obsessed with money .

OK, I LAUGHED :pac::pac::pac:

evolving tipperary · 24-03-2016 01:02PM

scudzilla wrote: »

evolving tipperary wrote: »

McGregor is not obsessed with money .

OK, I LAUGHED :pac::pac::pac:

Well, if he was that obsessed he would do everything he could to keep his 0 - he didn't. He moved up weights and allowed Diaz to fight him at 170. And, he could have went back to 145 where he is dominant. Going back to fight Diaz at 170 again - that's a huge risk - not the smartest move money wise - they are a lot safer bets out there money wise.

Money Mayweather is obsessed with money - did everything he could to keep his 0 - because it's a big money generator when it's beside a fighter's name.

McGregor loves and enjoys making money - but, he is not obsessed. There's a difference.

Wrongway1985 · 24-03-2016 01:06PM

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Then Aldo pulled then Frankie.

Neither Aldo or Frankie were offered a fight to pull from that was all PR spin Dana knew Frankie was injured too and later apologized ie retracting what he spewed earlier which is typical Dana. Frankie at 145 for the title was NEVER on the cards. Complete negligence on the UFCs part too if they let Aldo compete with 2 months removed from being KO'd stiff anyone who thought that was a possibility is truly gullible.

Gamebred · 24-03-2016 01:09PM

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Neither Aldo or Frankie were offered a fight to pull from that was all PR spin Dana knew Frankie was injured too and later apologized ie retracting what he spewed earlier which is typical Dana. Frankie at 145 for the title was NEVER on the cards. Complete negligence on the UFCs part too if they let Aldo compete with 2 months removed from being KO'd stiff anyone who thought that was a possibility is truly gullible.

Frankie I agree that was a bull**** move from Dana,but Aldo is a different ball game he had put up on social media he will fight him any time any place,you cant write that **** up and say ah not this week actually not matter if he was ko'd or not,so the offer to him was genuine considering he was **** talking weeks earlier.

StringerBell · 24-03-2016 01:17PM

Aldo would not have been licensed to fight, the fight was never an option.

TheNap · 24-03-2016 01:22PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Frankie I agree that was a bull**** move from Dana,but Aldo is a different ball game he had put up on social media he will fight him any time any place,you cant write that **** up and say ah not this week actually not matter if he was ko'd or not,so the offer to him was genuine considering he was **** talking weeks earlier.

Surely you didnt take this literally and expect Aldo to step in and just fight ( excluding the fact he was medically suspended ) ?

evolving tipperary · 24-03-2016 01:25PM

I don't think it is as simple as that - he was called and Frankie said he was injured - recovering from an injury. But, Frankie also said he had said yes to the fight before and didn't get it - So, I assume UFC just contact four or five fighters when there is a pull - see who says yes then go with the best option. So, yeah, even if Frankie said yes he probably wouldn't have got it once Diaz said yes as he's a bigger draw and more exciting fight for fans. But, Frankie didn't go forward.

They let Mendez compete after being concussed against McGregor - against Frankie. I think Mendez would usually take that punch - came back too early.

Regardless, of the situation - the chance to fight was there - McGregor fought Mendez with a ****ed up knee. Have to take your chances - plenty of players across sports play with cortizone injections and what not.

Frankie makes me laugh to be honest - always complaining that MMcGregor gets to do what he wants and is holding up two weights divisions. Well, he is doing it, Frankie and you're not. Go work as hard in front of the media and adapt or just staying whinging on the outskirts...

evolving tipperary · 24-03-2016 01:28PM

I don't think Aldo will get many more chances to fight in the UFC - I think they want rid. They are not exactly working hard to keep him...

Aldo says he'll only fight for the belt - which is McGregor's belt - I think he knows his race is run and just wants one more big money fight - which I doubt he'll get.

StringerBell · 24-03-2016 01:28PM

Be nice if it didn't head fully down that "sports entertainment" road.

Gamebred · 24-03-2016 01:29PM

TheNap wrote: »

Surely you didnt take this literally and expect Aldo to step in and just fight ( excluding the fact he was medically suspended ) ?

Was cleared when he was offered the fight,I know he was trying to cut a promo on social media with the comment but it back fired,he got a call to fight and turned it down thats factual.

Mellor · 24-03-2016 01:30PM

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

I can't see him making 145 ever again.

I don't think dropping the weight will be remotely as hard as people are making out. Muscle isn't permanent, if he's running a calorie deficit, weight has to come off.

evolving tipperary · 24-03-2016 01:31PM

Gamebred;99167662
Would you like to see McGgregor Diaz at 155 or 170?

evolving tipperary · 24-03-2016 01:33PM

StringerBell wrote: »

Be nice if it didn't head fully down that "sports entertainment" road.

Yeah, but, once sport signs a contract with a TV or Entertainment outlet - that's exactly what it is 'sports entertainment'.

Swashbuckler · 24-03-2016 01:36PM

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Well, if he was that obsessed he would do everything he could to keep his 0 - he didn't. He moved up weights and allowed Diaz to fight him at 170. And, he could have went back to 145 where he is dominant. Going back to fight Diaz at 170 again - that's a huge risk - not the smartest move money wise - they are a lot safer bets out there money wise.

Money Mayweather is obsessed with money - did everything he could to keep his 0 - because it's a big money generator when it's beside a fighter's name.

McGregor loves and enjoys making money - but, he is not obsessed. There's a difference.

Honestly, all the reasons you listed are exactly why he is obsessed with money (which I have no issue with. why shouldn't he be). He moved up weights and fought Diaz because of the massive payday he stood to get from the PPV's. He could have gone back to 145 where he stands to make less money because less people will watch him fight Aldo or Frankie.

It was 100% the smartest move moneywise. Diaz couldn't make 155. SO it was either fight at 170 or possibly not fight on the PPV and lose the payday.

Gamebred · 24-03-2016 01:39PM

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Gamebred;99167662
Would you like to see McGgregor Diaz at 155 or 170?

155,His 155 weigh in before joining the ufc he looked perfect for the weight 170 is not for him,or Nate.

TheNap · 24-03-2016 01:48PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Was cleared when he was offered the fight,I know he was trying to cut a promo on social media with the comment but it back fired,he got a call to fight and turned it down thats factual.

Everyone always leaves themselves open to this sort of stuff though . It must be taken with a pinch of salt . McGregor said he would rather die than tap . Then he tapped . That is also a fact .

StringerBell · 24-03-2016 01:51PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Was cleared when he was offered the fight,I know he was trying to cut a promo on social media with the comment but it back fired,he got a call to fight and turned it down thats factual.

He was cleared to train, he was not cleared to fight. Dana would have known that when calling about the fight. That is factual.

Gamebred · 24-03-2016 01:52PM

TheNap wrote: »

Everyone always leaves themselves open to this sort of stuff though . It must be taken with a pinch of salt . McGregor said he would rather die than tap . Then he tapped . That is also a fact .

No double standards from me,fire away with the abuse of him for tapping for all I care he deserves it for saying that and back tracking,same way Aldo back tracked.

UFC 200 Jones vs Cormier 2

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