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  • #1442
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Nodin wrote: »
    That makes no sense whatsoever. Why do you believe we should take in no refugees?

    While I sympathise with their plight I don't believe a lot of them are genuine refugees. Are they not supposed to claim asylum in the first safe country anyway? Why are they all mostly men aged between 20 and 40?

    I don't think Ireland has any obligation to take them in. I don't want them here as I know they will be a net drain on society. I think the influx of Islam into Europe comes with a dangerous bite and we need to put a hold on any more arriving until we figure this out.


  • #1443
    JaCrispy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭JaCrispy


    Because they're not our problem.


  • #1444
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    At a rate of no more than 500 per year with no family reunification unless it is the refugee leaving and going back to his family.

    We could probably do a lot better than 500 a year. But at least it's a start, you're heading in the right direction.


  • #1445
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    dav3 wrote: »
    That's not really a good enough reason not to take refugees.

    Are there any points you could put across that might make people think 'yeah fair enough, good point'?

    Looking for a reason to not take in refugees is asking the wrong question. The real question is why should we take in refugees?

    Because they are fleeing war? They've already passed through peaceful countries to get here.


  • #1446
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,727 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    GT_TDI_150 wrote: »
    Today I read a post of a teacher friend of my cousin who said "paraphrasing here: what can I teach the kids in my class when the muslim kids applauded the news of the bombs today?"
    I'm calling bollox on that unless there is only one school teacher in all of Belgium: https://www.google.ie/search?q=what+can+I+teach+the+kids+in+my+class+when+the+muslim+kids+applauded+the+news+of+the+bombs+today%3F&oq=what+can+I+teach+the+kids+in+my+class+when+the+muslim+kids+applauded+the+news+of+the+bombs+today%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57.175951j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

    In particular: http://rebrn.com/re/belgian-teacher-how-do-you-teach-a-class-when-all-the-muslim-chi-2555384/
    Few mistakes here. This man is Dutch not Belgian and didn't witness this.

    It was a tweet based upon another tweet from a Dutch girl who went to a high school in Amsterdam.

    At that high school there were apparent Muslim kids cheering and being proud of the attacks today.

    The girl who wrote those tweets has blocked her Twitter so if it is true or not I can't tell right now but it is sad nonetheless.


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  • #1447
    GT_TDI_150
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    I had to make the same point after the paris attacks, these lads are 2,3,4th generation settled immegrants and still consider themselves morocan or turk rather than belgian-morocan or just belgian. They dont identify as belgian. They are no more belgian than most people reading this.

    Lets call a spade a spade here


  • #1448
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    stefanovich wrote: »
    While I sympathise with their plight I don't believe a lot of them are genuine refugees. Are they not supposed to claim asylum in the first safe country anyway? Why are they all mostly men aged between 20 and 40?

    I don't think Ireland has any obligation to take them in. I don't want them here as I know they will be a net drain on society. I think the influx of Islam into Europe comes with a dangerous bite and we need to put a hold on any more arriving until we figure this out.

    There are nearly 4 million of them out there. If we get our act together we could get the pick of the bunch.

    If we put them through rigorous screening, take the ones that won't be a drain on society or follow Islam, it should add up to a good few thousand.

    We may not have any legal obligation to take them, yet. But it's the right thing to do. How many would you take in?


  • #1449
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    JaCrispy wrote: »
    Because they're not our problem.

    They're humanities problem. And we're all humans.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1450
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Looking for a reason to not take in refugees is asking the wrong question. The real question is why should we take in refugees?

    Because they are fleeing war? They've already passed through peaceful countries to get here.

    Okay, here's some reasons why I think we -should- take in refugees. And yes, a few bad apples might slip in amongst the actually needy.

    Firstly, I don't think the countries that closest border the distressed regions should bear the entire brunt of fleeing migrants. I think it's short-sighted to try insist upon it. Greece can barely keep itself going when it doesn't have refugees coming in. Sure, we're geographically fortunate, hurrah for us! We'll not get -that- many that even look to us, but surely we can give some people a helping hand?

    And secondly, we're a nation of emigrants. When the Famine struck here, over a million of us fled to other shores - the UK and the US being the most obvious examples. And guess what? The people there were freaked out at this neverending wave of impoverished, often sick, uneducated Irish. And eventually they got over it. The UK is an even better example, allowing Irish people to migrate over over the past hundred years, even throughout the Troubles. And I've no doubt that many eyed the papers, looking at, say, the murder of Lord Mountbatten, bombings, threats, and harrumphed that the IRA should be kept out and all these bloody Irish coming over were bound to be harbouring some of them! Oh, I know, it's a tiny-scale compared to what we're seeing now. But I think "pah, send them all back where they came from! It's not our problem!" is a dangerously short-sighted - and forgetful - view.

    Yes, there's issues. Yes, we're scared at this new threat, the Troubles writ large and over the whole world. And we're not even sure if we will win this or if this situation is the new paradigm. But honest to god, there -are- people who aren't able to sit down and discuss this over the internet, people who are a hell of a lot worse off and who are making plans to flee in a dangerous, uncertain journey because home is no longer safe. Yeah, I think we should help a few of them.


  • #1451
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    Mod

    Folks, we've locked enough immigration threads and there are plenty in politics café if that's what you wish to discuss.

    This thread is regarding the attacks in Brussels not immigration and though they may be linked I'm asking that and immigration discussion takes place in politics café, thanks. If it continues we'll need to hand out thread bans as locking this thread isn't really an option right now. Please take the above on board


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  • #1452
    GT_TDI_150
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    Victor wrote: »
    I'm calling bollox on that unless there is only one school teacher in all of Belgium: https://www.google.ie/search?q=what+can+I+teach+the+kids+in+my+class+when+the+muslim+kids+applauded+the+news+of+the+bombs+today%3F&oq=what+can+I+teach+the+kids+in+my+class+when+the+muslim+kids+applauded+the+news+of+the+bombs+today%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57.175951j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

    In particular: http://rebrn.com/re/belgian-teacher-how-do-you-teach-a-class-when-all-the-muslim-chi-2555384/

    Ok my bad took a cousins word on this one ...


  • #1453
    GT_TDI_150
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    What I would like to know is how are so many of the people involved in terror attacks 'on watchlists' or 'known to the authorities'

    stop 'watching', start tackling!


  • #1454
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    GT_TDI_150 wrote: »
    What I would like to know is how are so many of the people involved in terror attacks 'on watchlists' or 'known to the authorities'

    stop 'watching', start tackling!

    BBC said earlier they were on a watch list...with 20,000 other people!


  • #1455
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    BBC said earlier they were on a watch list...with 20,000 other people!

    Maybe it's time 20,000 people were more closely monitored.


  • #1456
    GT_TDI_150
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    Nodin wrote: »
    So its not refugees, its muslim refugees.

    yup ...

    yes the current lads bombing / killing are european citizens (i use the term lightly in their case ( see few posts ago) ... They are 2nd 3rd level migrants and did not adjust to western living ... the next set of them will not do so either.

    note that after the Abdesalam shooting and arrest, the cops got bottles lobbed at them when continuing their investigations byyoung members of the local (muslim)community ... today, in Anderlecht, these youths disrupted the minute silence @ 12:00 ... they are such nice people, whe should bring more into Europe

    I lived there for 17 years ... they do not adjust to western ways


  • #1457
    Irish Praetorian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    dav3 wrote: »
    There are nearly 4 million of them out there. If we get our act together we could get the pick of the bunch.

    If we put them through rigorous screening, take the ones that won't be a drain on society or follow Islam, it should add up to a good few thousand.

    We may not have any legal obligation to take them, yet. But it's the right thing to do. How many would you take in?

    No it's not the right thing to do, it's the hipster thing to do, it's what you do to impress gullible people with displays of how 'righteous' and 'humanitarian' you are without any regard for the practical implications.
    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    They're humanities problem. And we're all humans.

    Then let the 6.5 billion people on the planet not Western Europeans handle the problem, I'm sure we can still stump up the cash.

    I for one don't want to invite in today's refugee so his kids can gay bash you and me tomorrow.


  • #1458
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Panorama special on tonight, starting @ 10


  • #1459
    Neamhshuntasach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    Panorama special on tonight, starting @ 10

    That must be +1 as it's on now on BBC One.


  • #1460
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    the bomber

    2012 radicalised in jail

    2013 went to fight in syria against regime. Returned to kidnap his brother at one point. His younger brother believed to be youngest jihadi.

    He was in a video, seen dragging beheaded corpses behind jeep.


  • #1461
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Associated Press are saying that at least 400 ISIS terrorists were trained and sent to Europe to launch waves of attacks.

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/712728655630364672

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1c1661cef71c4a1a93f3a1863d27a284/trains-400-fighters-attack-europe-wave-bloodshed
    the ringleader of the Nov. 13 Paris attacks claimed he had entered Europe in a multinational group of 90 fighters, who scattered "more or less everywhere."


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  • #1462
    lawlolawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    GT_TDI_150 wrote: »
    What I would like to know is how are so many of the people involved in terror attacks 'on watchlists' or 'known to the authorities'

    stop 'watching', start tackling!

    Yeah, after recent events i'd have to agree with this. if you are on a watchlist for something that is very easily provable then you just need to disappear.

    We can keep treating these people with kid gloves and picking up the body parts of innocents every few months once they get to execute their plans or we can just make the problem go away in a relatively short period of time.

    If anyone who is 100% verified as planning or participating in a terror attack is tracked down by authorities then they should never be taken alive. Find them, end them, dispose of the waste in the most insulting manner possible. They are already willing to kill themselves/die for their cause, let's start helping them fulfill their wish.

    Fight savagery with obscene savagery. These people have nothing to add to humanity and should just be eliminated root and branch.


  • #1463
    GT_TDI_150
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    the bomber

    2012 radicalised in jail

    2013 went to fight in syria against regime. Returned to kidnap his brother at one point. His younger brother believed to be youngest jihadi.

    He was in a video, seen dragging beheaded corpses behind jeep.

    abaood wasnt the bomber ... he was the planner


  • #1464
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    GT_TDI_150 wrote: »
    abaood wasnt the bomber ... he was the planner

    i was trying to spell his name, but gave up in the end:pac:

    you are correct, he is the planner


  • #1465
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,014 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Panorama is proving a real eye opener here. It's pretty clear the actual attacks that have occurred are the tip of the iceberg. In the last 12 months alone a number of attacks have been foiled or have gone wrong in France and the U.K.


  • #1466
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    They have some network set up. The authorities don't seem to bother them.


  • #1467
    cowboyBuilder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭cowboyBuilder


    That panorama show, is that UK restricted ?

    Or will they have that on the iPlayer available globally ?


  • #1468
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Ah stop, the driver told the police he's been drinking and they still let him go!!

    Dunno Cowboy, but it's fascinating,


  • #1469
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    What is the programme called so I can watch it on iplayer?


  • #1470
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    TheHillOfDoom wrote: »
    What is the programme called so I can watch it on iplayer?

    Panorama s13 episode115


    If you have plus +1 it'll be starting shortly

    they said at the end you can catch it on bbc iplayer


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  • #1471
    dissed doc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    They have some network set up. The authorities don't seem to bother them.

    It is a policy of appeasement developed in the 1970s. The elderly politicians in charge of "us" were raised on anti-national anti-european idealogies. They have pursued those policies as they come of political age in the last 10-15 years. The result is what we now have.

    The fact is, that there is very little chance if any of a 2nd or 3rd generation Muslim of immigrant background of ever integrating.

    We know there is high marginalisation, high unemployment, little or no identification with the country of birth. The solution is early identification in schools, prevention of segregated schools and segregated communities. Basically, once there are 1% of the population Muslim, no more can live there. The idea is to prevent the numbers required to ghettoise and radicalise. That requires high concentrations of extremists that can blend into larger communities with ease.


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