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Breaking - explosions at Brussels Airport **Mod warning in post 1**

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  • #1172
    Liberosis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭Liberosis


    TheHillOfDoom wrote: »
    If you screen airports, they will target underground commuters, hospitals or churches. They don't have morals. Anywhere and everywhere is fair game. The more victims the better.

    What annoys me is that the authorities know who "they" are. They're being monitored, but cant be arrested without sufficient evidence. Its paradoxical in a sense.


  • #1173
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    Can I just add to that that these lunatics see Western citizens as nothing more than targets. Meat. Inconsequential. While they seek Allah, the non-believer is not worth a prayer and shall die. Man, woman, child. Who gives a ****. Not them.


  • #1174
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    Liberosis wrote: »
    What annoys me is that the authorities know who "they" are. They're being monitored, but cant be arrested without sufficient evidence. Its paradoxical in a sense.

    They're not monitored. You see Jihadi A meet Jihadi X and exchange backpacks, you arrest the bastards. They're on a 'watch' list. That does not translate to monitoring.


  • #1175
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    STB. wrote: »
    Would I Stop, I have read some of your rants. You haven't a clue sonny. Its called containment.

    These guys wanted to get into the airport itself, breach non existant security and incident prevantion measures, ensuring untold terror, total mayhem with maximum damage. They were not interested in blowing up the front of an airport entrance.

    The security services in Belgium did not communicate with each other.

    You can talk all you want about deportation and sealing of borders, but that boat has sailed. These guys are in the system and some are not even on the radar.

    Containment. At an airport? So you want people queuing for hours at airport security? Be realistic.


  • #1176
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    12Phase wrote: »
    To be perfectly honest, you've no idea if or how many attacks the Belgian authorities may have thwarted over the last few months and years.

    I think it's very easy to be highly critical from behind the comfort of a keyboard nearly 1000 km away.

    I'm not aware of *ANY* airport in Europe that pre-screens passengers before they enter the building. It's not standard practice.

    They do it in African countries where they have a fraction of the passengers. They have car checks on the way in.


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  • #1177
    Minderbinder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Minderbinder


    Viviana Screeching Winter wrote: »
    Every single time a tragic event befalls a nation close to home, somebody pops up and points out another tragic event half way across the globe. Guess what? What happens in Yemen is not important. It has nothing to do with the color of the perpetrators, but the connection to home. Belgium is close, Yemen is not. Many people here have been to Belgium, have friends in Belgium, etc etc. Very unlikely that the same can be said for Yemen.

    I do agree with your point but it is interesting that what happened in Yemen is not important because of proximity, yet the west seems to feel the need to send troops to Africa and the Middle East because the humanitarian crisis there apparently is important.

    In fact, if we didn't care about what happens in Yemen or Syria or Iraq today wouldn't have happened.


  • #1178
    Take Your Pants Off
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭Take Your Pants Off


    ''The militant group claimed responsibility for the two attacks in a statement released on its official account with the social media site Telegram.''

    Anyone have any links to their accounts ?


  • #1179
    Jan Laco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭Jan Laco


    deseil wrote: »
    Brussels was on high alert security wise and they still managed a double attack. The fact these people are willing to die for the cause means its impossible to twart all of their attacks. What do you suggest the government do?
    Bag and body searches of everyone using public transport all day everyday?

    They weren't on the highest level of alert even though they said themselves that usually cells act quicker once another cell is thwarted.

    The terrorist shot during the week was audacious and comfortable with trying to evade capture by walking out the front door. And had previously escaped an apartment....One man can evade a national swat team, give me a break. If he was evading tax he'd be caught quicker.

    I'd be very worried if I was Belgian that their security is so unobservant.


  • #1180
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    STB. wrote: »
    No I don't. But neither do you. All we do know is that a few days after capturing one of the ring leaders of the Paris attacks, and during a period of heightened security alert, that a number of people managed to waltz into a major airport with an assualt rifle, suicide belts, and suitcases full of explosives. The CCTV pictures that they have released could be anyone and the footage that you would see on Crimeline would put it to shame.

    Brussels has a population of 200k and is probably now the the jihadi epicentre of Europe. Belgium already has a split society with Dutch and French speaking individuals. Molenbeek is a very poor area in the western part of Brussels where many of these lunatics hang out.

    They have come and gone under the noses of the security services with complete impunity, hiding as it where, in plain sight.

    Pre-screening has existed at Dublin Airport in the past.

    Governments have known for years that Airport terminals are vulnerable. They treat it like they would any other public place. They accept that it's a risk but they don't go overboard treating the terminal any different to a shopping centre, for obvious reasons. The scanners before the plane are to keep bombs out of the planes because planes going down has a profound impact on global travel and can shut down an entire country for hours if not days.


  • #1181
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    Take Your Pants Off wrote: »
    ''The militant group claimed responsibility for the two attacks in a statement released on its official account with the social media site Telegram.''

    Anyone have any links to their accounts ?

    No.


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  • #1182
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Take Your Pants Off wrote: »
    ''The militant group claimed responsibility for the two attacks in a statement released on its official account with the social media site Telegram.''

    Anyone have any links to their accounts ?

    Telegram is an encrypted version of Whatsapp


  • #1183
    Hans Bricks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Hans Bricks


    Had to listen to a work colleague ask his wife over the phone, if their friends and relatives in Brussels were all okay today. Awful.

    Can't even be bothered replying to the reams of cuckold apologism, whataboutery and deflection from the root cause of this and inevitable future attacks.

    All the best to the victim's families.


  • #1184
    Rezident
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭Rezident


    While most Muslims are obviously fine, is it getting to the stage where Islam - as a whole - is doing more harm than good to the species?

    I think in the future, at least in more progressive countries, Islam will be against the law. It's just bad for people. If you wanted to introduce it now, Islam would fail a cost-benefit analysis.


  • #1185
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    Liberosis wrote: »
    What annoys me is that the authorities know who "they" are. They're being monitored, but cant be arrested without sufficient evidence. Its paradoxical in a sense.

    And its a bit late to arrest those who they suspected after they have blown themselves and others to smithereens.

    So the question now is... Just how safe is Ireland?

    Its all well and good being Vigilant, but is it Safe?


  • #1186
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Rezident wrote: »
    While most Muslims are obviously fine, is it getting to the stage where Islam - as a whole - is doing more harm than good to the species?

    I think in the future, at least in more progressive countries, Islam will be against the law. It's just bad for people. If you wanted to introduce it now, Islam would fail a cost-benefit analysis.

    If we win the great war Islam will end up like Nazism.


  • #1187
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    TheHillOfDoom wrote: »
    If you screen airports, they will target underground commuters, hospitals or churches. They don't have morals. Anywhere and everywhere is fair game. The more victims the better.

    There would be more people inside an airport at any one time than those arriving to depart. The airport would be more concerned with maintaining security and confidence within the airport building.

    Terrorists are concerned with maximum exposure.

    Would random stops at the entrance using handheld millimeter-wave scanners have caught this ?
    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Containment. At an airport? So you want people queuing for hours at airport security? Be realistic.

    Yes containment. At an airport.

    Terrorism, dead bodies. You want more of that ? Given the alternative scenario of death by being in the wrong place at the wrong time (like those poor souls today), inconvenience shouldn't be a bitter pill to swallow.

    Random security checks should minimise the risks at the very least. Its possibly more simple than your amateur debating skills.


  • #1188
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Liberosis wrote: »
    What annoys me is that the authorities know who "they" are. They're being monitored, but cant be arrested without sufficient evidence. Its paradoxical in a sense.

    Perhaps it's time for Mossad style tactics against them.


  • #1189
    GT_TDI_150
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    Being Belgian, I can tell you that the issue is not the security forces but the PC BS they have to deal with ... untill very recently they were not allowed (legally) to perform raids on suspects houses after 17.00 before 07:00 because you could be infringing on peoples rights. :mad:

    I was in that airport 4 weeks ago we were 4hrs early for the flight and damn ryan air dont open the check-in till 2 hrs before filghts so we had plenty time to observe the security and pre-Abdasalam capture it was already hightened... we met 10 pairs of soldier patrolling the check in area as well as another 10-15pairs of armed police officers ... we saw (middle eastern looking)lads getting stopped and have their bags searched ... the lads took it well but for the same money you get some one claming its racial profiling and that their rights are being breached. I can only imagine what the level were in the last couple of days.

    you know what wasnt shown on the news channels after abdeslam was shot and caught? Later that evening the police on site got hit with all sorts of projectiles and bottles. It becomes hard for them to do their jobs when the muslim community is doing every thing in its power no prevent them from doing so ... Abdasalam DID NOT evade capture with the help of 2 or 3 people ... the community know of the safe houses etc but arent willing to divulge this information to the authorities.

    I've a few muslim FB friends from back in school and they go very quite when this kinda thing happens ... every body comments, likes pics/posts that condemn attacts like to day but not these boys ...

    Today I read a post of a teacher friend of my cousin who said "paraphrasing here: what can I teach the kids in my class when the muslim kids applauded the news of the bombs today?"


  • #1190
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    If we win the great war Islam will end up like Nazism.

    93? Yeah, just the right age. Off to the front in the Great War....


  • #1191
    tharmor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭tharmor


    RiseToMe wrote:
    The problem with that is that youll have people queuing for that screening, so they will just detonate a bomb there instead.


    Not really....queue would not be long..


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  • #1192
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    93? Yeah, just the right age. Off to the front in the Great War....

    You say it like we're the ones starting it.


  • #1193
    Go Tobban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭Go Tobban


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Yeah, because they were having so much trouble recruiting up to now.

    So what's the solution then, military invasion? That's worked very well thus far

    It's almost like a lose-lose situation either way


  • #1194
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Go Tobban wrote: »
    So what's the solution then, military invasion? That's worked very well thus far

    It's almost like a lose-lose situation either way

    Definitely not.

    Basically what we're doing at the moment in terms of drone strikes and covert ops except seal the borders. Whatever policy we pursue to pacify the Middle East is going to make them very angry, so we had best not let the angry folks in.

    You're right, it's a catch 22. If we do nothing, they run roughshod over us, our allies and everyone else. If we do something, their allies within our own borders rise up against us. Turning back the clock on immigration solves everything, but we just have to work with what we've got now.

    Oh, and safe zones. Imagine the Republican party having the most humanitarian refugee policy. Build safe zones so Syrians can return to their country when it's at peace. There's a lot of rebuilding to be done so they should have full employment to keep them out of trouble for a while.


  • #1195
    GT_TDI_150
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    Oh, and if you do full pre-entry screening at airports, they WILL change targets, they have no moral compass.

    They tried the Parc des Prince in france, the metro in brussels today had kids going to schools ... they are decapitating people for being westerns FFS

    How long before they manage to hit a school or a sporting event properly? Are we gonna put military at every school enterance, at every GAA training sesssion, ...

    There was military and police in the airport ... The guys got in ... it happens

    Just consider ... what looks more suspect ... 1 lad walking around with a suitcase on a trolley or 3 lads walking around with their luggage on a trolley? If there was a flight to Turkey , Morocco, Tunisia, ... this morning then are the 3 lads or the one for that matter that suspiscious?


  • #1196
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    K.Flyer wrote: »
    And its a bit late to arrest those who they suspected after they have blown themselves and others to smithereens.

    So the question now is... Just how safe is Ireland?

    Its all well and good being Vigilant, but is it Safe?

    Safe against whom though?

    Terrorists? We're fairly safe, but i'm not going to hold your hand and tell you that everything is going to be ok.

    Drug Gangs, criminals targeting isolated communities? Probably not.


  • #1197
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,150 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Here's someone who put it well:

    https://twitter.com/aliamjadrizvi/status/712252162936606721

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • #1198
    RiseToMe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭RiseToMe


    tharmor wrote: »
    Not really....queue would not be long..

    So you normally arrive to the airport and breeze through with no queues? I fly at least twice a month and in any given security section, in one terminal, there's at least 150 people there in the various queues on quiet times. In Stansted it's multiples of that.


  • #1199
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    GT_TDI_150 wrote: »
    Oh, and if you do full pre-entry screening at airports, they WILL change targets, they have no moral compass.

    They tried the Parc des Prince in france, the metro in brussels today had kids going to schools ... they are decapitating people for being westerns FFS

    How long before they manage to hit a school or a sporting event properly? Are we gonna put military at every school enterance, at every GAA training sesssion, ...

    There was military and police in the airport ... The guys got in ... it happens

    Just consider ... what looks more suspect ... 1 lad walking around with a suitcase on a trolley or 3 lads walking around with their luggage on a trolley? If there was a flight to Turkey , Morocco, Tunisia, ... this morning then are the 3 lads or the one for that matter that suspiscious?

    school and other local events are no use to them because they would stand out as strangers in the crowd as word spreads amongst locals trying to find out who they are, they need more anonymous targets like trains metro airports etc, shopping centres, motorway services etc.

    I remember during the 80's in Paris all public buildings had security at entrances searching bags and people, all state buildings offices museums etc had police and army doing the same and even ordinary shops had security searching customers entering for explosives and weapons.


  • #1200
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Roger Fillman wrote: »
    Banned poster

    We should sent Christian Africa to war against militant Islam. Kill two birds.

    Banned.


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  • #1201
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Definitely not.

    Basically what we're doing at the moment in terms of drone strikes and covert ops except seal the borders. Whatever policy we pursue to pacify the Middle East is going to make them very angry, so we had best not let the angry folks in.

    WHO is We ?


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