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Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

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  • #1232
    TallGlass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    LDN_Irish wrote: »
    52 people were killed in a prison riot in Mexico today. Another 5 with possibly life threatening injuries. And in Ireland we've had 2 gangland killings in the last couple of weeks.

    The only thing we're the world capital of is overreacting.

    So we are not shipping millions of euros worth of cocaine into Ireland for distribution to the rest of Europe?

    Ok so we had two killings, ah sure we are all fine then my mistake.

    Go put your head back into the sand son.


  • #1233
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    The police in spain have a lot to answer imo.


  • #1234
    Canterelle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭Canterelle


    Post ftw so far is "jobsbridge the feck out of them" love it


  • #1235
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Gamebred wrote: »
    The police in spain have a lot to answer imo.
    Spain have pretty tough police by most accounts but they do not make much of a job of policing drug gangsters.

    Gangsters in Ireland or Spain do not get away with as much as they do without Corrupt Police Officers.

    I suppose there are elements political and otherwise that like the colour of their money even if its just in the economy (not direct criminality) this money is welcomed with open arms.


  • #1236
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    Well he is ment to be the man in charge isnt he ?

    He is the one who signed off at the end of the day on the systemic destruction of the nations justice system and took no positive steps to fix the massive problem that now exists

    He is the leader of the government isnt he ?

    All this stuff didnt happen on its own you know.

    So presumably then before Enda K there was no such thing as drugs, no such thing as gangland?

    Jesus wept....yes he's in charge but use a bit of common sense! You can not blame the government for every little thing that goes wrong. It's petty and childish and absolves those truly at fault.


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  • #1237
    arayess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    So presumably then before Enda K there was no such thing as drugs, no such thing as gangland?

    Jesus wept....yes he's in charge but use a bit of common sense! You can not blame the government for every little thing that goes wrong. It's petty and childish and absolves those truly at fault.

    Enda is our longest serving TD since 1975 - breathe that in .....that's 1970 fcuking 5 longer than I've been born -
    by default above all in the Dail he would have the most time to influence policy on drugs and organised crime or at a minimum speak about it.

    Correct me if I'm wrong he has never spoken in favour of legalisation which would cut the cash cow that is drugs from the criminal underworld. Criminals smuggle drugs because there is money there....they will move onto something else but perhaps with less profits there will be less criminals and less bloodshed.

    bar a few soundbites has Kenny ever offered a solution to why young people within certain areas gravitate toward crime or how he would intend to limit crime ...no....he is all bluster.

    so if politics has any blame for crime (which I believe the state does) then enda kenny is front and centre of that blame.
    Yes he was in opposition for many years but I don't recall any impassioned speech a la joe higgins or tony gregory on crime and drugs from enda.
    None

    nineteen seventy five....
    That's 40 years in Dail eireann...at age 24 you think he would be bursting with ideas ...but fcuk me he is just a glorified career civil servant.


  • #1238
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    What are the those standing for election promising to do about crime ? I dont hear much


  • #1239
    JustTheOne
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    arayess wrote: »
    Enda is our longest serving TD since 1975 - breathe that in .....that's 1970 fcuking 5 longer than I've been born -
    by default above all in the Dail he would have the most time to influence policy on drugs and organised crime or at a minimum speak about it.

    Correct me if I'm wrong he has never spoken in favour of legalisation which would cut the cash cow that is drugs from the criminal underworld. Criminals smuggle drugs because there is money there....they will move onto something else but perhaps with less profits there will be less criminals and less bloodshed.

    bar a few soundbites have Kenny ever offered a solution to why young people within certain areas gravitate toward crime or how he would entend to limit crime ...now....he is all bluster.

    so if politics has any blame for crime (which I believe the state does) then enda kenny is front and centre of that blame.
    Yes he was in opposition for many years but I don't recall any impassioned speech a la joe higgins or tony gregory on crime and drugs from enda.
    None

    nineteen seventy five....
    That's 40 years in Dail eireann...at age 24 you think he would be bursting with ideas ...but fcuk me he is just a glorified civil servant.

    How long has Gerry been in politics or Michael or Joan?


  • #1240
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Clutching at more straws than a scarecrow having a ****.

    It was a tongue in cheek remark. I was under the impression this was after hours.


  • #1241
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    We have a school teacher from mayo running the country what do you expect I wouldnt let him look after my dog never mind a country,Im not saying all business experts are never wrong but you can be damn sure a proper ceo would run the country like a business and not have it in ruins the way it is today.


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  • #1242
    arayess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    How long has Gerry been in politics or Michael or Joan?

    loads and loads of years - wikipedia has the answers.
    although joan is only in the dail since 1997 (i think ) which is about half the time of our glorious leader.

    but it's all whataboutery - Enda has had the power the longest or at least the platform .

    In fairness to Gerry , the shinners were are the forefront of anti-drug marches years ago.


  • #1243
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    arayess wrote: »
    loads and loads of years - wikipedia has the answers.
    although joan is only in the dail since 1997 (i think ) which is about half the time of our glorious leader.

    but it's all whataboutery - Enda has had the power the longest or at least the platform .

    In fairness to Gerry , the shinners were are the forefront of anti-drug marches years ago.

    Gerry, along with John Hume and many others helped bring peace to Ireland with the GFA.

    What exactly are Endas achievements in office??

    Edit: Question not directed at arayess, just following on regarding his point.


  • #1244
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Yeah the whole "due process" thing is just way overrated. Bring back internment and be done with it.

    I'm not arguing for internment without trial, I'm arguing for a mandatory minimum sentence of at least ten years for any conviction of violent, gang-related crime. I don't believe in mitigating circumstances where gangland is concerned. If you're involved with a violent criminal gang, regardless of your circumstances, you're a scumbag who knows exactly what you're doing and how it is impacting on the lives of ordinary citizens.

    We should also have cascading sentences for previous convictions. In other words, the violent scumbag arrested for possession of a gun should get a higher sentence upon discovery of a long criminal record.


  • #1245
    RainyDay
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    We have a school teacher from mayo running the country what do you expect I wouldnt let him look after my dog never mind a country,Im not saying all business experts are never wrong but you can be damn sure a proper ceo would run the country like a business and not have it in ruins the way it is today.

    Except that it's not a business, it's a country. Running a business is easy - money in, money out.

    Running a country is a bit different. You don't get to control demand. You don't decide how many people get sick, or how many people will crash their car, or how many will be born.

    You're in control of people's lives, not selling them a product or service. It's a different league.


  • #1246
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Gamebred wrote: »
    We have a school teacher from mayo running the country what do you expect I wouldnt let him look after my dog never mind a country,Im not saying all business experts are never wrong but you can be damn sure a proper ceo would run the country like a business and not have it in ruins the way it is today.
    I can't take people who come up with this nonsense seriously.

    Enda Kenny was a school teacher for 4 years over 40 years ago. You may as well tell us that we have a school child running the country it was that long ago.

    In any case, why is having a previous job as a school teacher seen as a negative?


  • #1247
    Iang87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Iang87


    Is there anything to be said for letting them all kill each other if they promise to be careful with the public


  • #1248
    ohnonotgmail
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    Iang87 wrote: »
    Is there anything to be said for letting them all kill each other if they promise to be careful with the public


    Drop them all off on Spike Island and have our own version of Battle Royale. It would be a ratings hit if nothing else.


  • #1249
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,925 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Gamebred wrote: »
    We have a school teacher from mayo running the country what do you expect I wouldnt let him look after my dog never mind a country,Im not saying all business experts are never wrong but you can be damn sure a proper ceo would run the country like a business and not have it in ruins the way it is today.

    How's that theory working out for the people of Flint, Michigan? Oh yeah, they all have lead poisoning.

    I simply cannot understand people's attitude to the government. You're not electing a God, you're not electing someone to massively and directly change your life and make you rich and happy. You're electing people to manage the day to day boring stuff, whose hands are usually tied by existing forces such as unions etc.

    The sad part of this all is that our electorate must once again be bought off, not even a decade after the crash, the worst effects of which came from this ideology, and people are baying for more handouts.

    Once again, you're not electing a daddy, how you live your life or succeed is up to you. We need long term stability and common sense in this country, not the whims of petulant children to be addressed day after day like they're the be all and end all.


  • #1250
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    All the Enda supports out in force today,the man is a puppet farmer that shouldnt be let in control of a country complete cowboy.


  • #1251
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Gamebred wrote: »
    All the Enda supports out in force today,the man is a puppet farmer that shouldnt be let in control of a country complete cowboy.

    So you're saying he's a teacher that grows puppets.

    Ok then.


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  • #1252
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,925 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Valetta wrote: »
    So you're saying he's a teacher that grows puppets.

    Ok then.

    Don't forget that he's also in control of a cowboy (a country complete one, no less).


  • #1253
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Gamebred wrote: »
    We have a school teacher from mayo running the country what do you expect I wouldnt let him look after my dog never mind a country,Im not saying all business experts are never wrong but you can be damn sure a proper ceo would run the country like a business and not have it in ruins the way it is today.

    I'll never, for the life of me, understand why people expect Enda Kenny to simply click his fingers and solve all the country's problems in one go.

    It took 20 odd years for us end up in a recession, things aren't to go back to where they were in 5 or 6 or 7 years. It takes time and tough decisions whether you like it or not.


  • #1254
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I'll never, for the life of me, understand why people expect Enda Kenny to simply click his fingers and solve all the country's problems in one go.

    It took 20 odd years for us end up in a recession, things aren't to go back to where they were in 5 or 6 or 7 years. It takes time and tough decisions whether you like it or not.

    What's tough about telling judges not to let gangsters walk free from court without even so much as a stern talking to? :confused:

    EDIT:
    http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/retired-judge-slams-number-criminals-6683412
    Former district court judge Michael Patwell said he cannot see any reason for judges reducing jail terms – especially for offenders with dozens of previous convictions.

    Looking at a recent burglary case where a 20-year term was reduced to 12, Mr Patwell said suspended sentences should only be used when the individual has a hope of reform.

    He said: “To my mind, you only suspend a sentence for people you hope have learned their lesson and will come out and try to go straight.

    “A fella with 120 previous convictions has proven he has no interest in going straight.”


  • #1255
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,942 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    What's tough about telling judges not to let gangsters walk free from court without even so much as a stern talking to? :confused:

    EDIT:
    http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/retired-judge-slams-number-criminals-6683412


    because judges dont answer to politicians.


  • #1256
    Mesrine65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Mesrine65


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    What's tough about enforcing the laws of the land? :confused:

    EDIT:
    http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/retired-judge-slams-number-criminals-6683412
    FYP ;)


  • #1257
    Riverireland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭Riverireland


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    What's tough about telling judges not to let gangsters walk free from court without even so much as a stern talking to? :confused:

    EDIT:
    http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/retired-judge-slams-number-criminals-6683412

    I agree. We seem to have a problem prosecuting serious criminals in this country. I can't understand how these gangs have been allowed to become so powerful. I wonder if we might actually prosecute a banker at some point in the future too.


  • #1258
    benny79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭benny79


    I am by know means a FG supporter or like Enda,. I voted labour in the last election more foul me! but FG/Enda have got this Country out of a recession weather you like it or not. One in which FF but us in...

    But I mostly think they are as bad as each other. But running a Country calls for tough decisions not to everyone's likening.


  • #1259
    Tilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭Tilly


    Anyone have Garda checkpoints page liked on Facebook? They just (16 mins ago) posted this:


    Garda Checkpoints Dublin
    16 mins ·
    (((Checkpoint))
    outside Regency hotel.


  • #1260
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Tilly wrote: »
    Anyone have Garda checkpoints page liked on Facebook? They just (16 mins ago) posted this:


    Garda Checkpoints Dublin
    16 mins ·
    (((Checkpoint))
    outside Regency hotel.

    Fairly standard procedure, I would have thought.

    A week to the day after the shooting they will try and find people who travel that road on a weekly basis in the hope of getting some more info on the happenings last Friday.


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  • #1261
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    What's tough about telling judges not to let gangsters walk free from court without even so much as a stern talking to? :confused:
    You think the Taoiseach should have the power to tell the judiciary what to do?


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