Cork 2016 Route news

Jamie2k9 · 19-01-2016 03:06AM

Carnacalla wrote: »

Was expecting more of a drop, current services must have strengthened a lot.

What are the predictions for next year in terns of PAX?

They will be doing well if they get 2.1-2.2 million.

JCX BXC · 20-01-2016 03:06PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

They will be doing well if they get 2.1-2.2 million.

Really? With all the new routes and capacity increases?

xband · 21-01-2016 02:20AM

There's a fairly dramatic upswing in the economy too.

Short of a major international financial shock, I think Cork Airport should be turning around this year. Summer 2016 will be the best indicator.

roundymac · 21-01-2016 10:10AM

xband wrote: »

There's a fairly dramatic upswing in the economy too.

Short of a major international financial shock, I think Cork Airport should be turning around this year. Summer 2016 will be the best indicator.

It might all depend on the Chinese markets.:( I did'nt realise that this AOC application was made over two years ago. This is making me very suspisous of Norweigian's motives. Is this application ex Cork just to test the waters, fine if we get it, no major loss if we don't.

xband · 21-01-2016 10:48AM

Might well have been.

I hope Cork Airport didn't spend any money on the application.

Cosmo Kramer · 21-01-2016 11:14AM

Might have been a bit of 'find the European airport that's the most desperate for a US link and try to push through a route from there' to it alright.

The route is really Barcelona to Boston with a stop off in Cork anyway, I guess they could have chosen any airport for the stop off but may well have been heavily incentivised to choose Cork.

Cosmo Kramer · 21-01-2016 11:14AM

Might have been a bit of 'find the European airport that's the most desperate for a US link and try to push through a route from there' to it alright.

The route is really Barcelona to Boston with a stop off in Cork anyway, I guess they could have chosen any airport for the stop off but may well have been heavily incentivised to choose Cork.

JCX BXC · 21-01-2016 03:01PM

xband wrote: »

Might well have been.

I hope Cork Airport didn't spend any money on the application.

No, no they really wouldn't have spent much more than the price of a phone call.

lisasimpson · 21-01-2016 08:27PM

There is a bit of scope for both Shannon and Cork to operate successfully. Should have routes to mainland route that maybe only one of the service... not compete on some of the same routes

I though there would have been more of a drop in the 2015 figures.. Cant understand why the Lisbon flight was dropped, thought that was a busy enough route..I would expect 2.2million for 2016 at least

vkid · 21-01-2016 08:27PM

Norwegian spoke to other airports apart from Cork.

lisasimpson · 21-01-2016 08:27PM

There is a bit of scope for both Shannon and Cork to operate successfully. Should have routes to mainland route that maybe only one of the service... not compete on some of the same routes

I though there would have been more of a drop in the 2015 figures.. Cant understand why the Lisbon flight was dropped, thought that was a busy enough route..I would expect 2.2million for 2016 at least

JCX BXC · 21-01-2016 08:37PM

lisasimpson wrote: »

There is a bit of scope for both Shannon and Cork to operate successfully. Should have routes to mainland route that maybe only one of the service... not compete on some of the same routes

That's quite out of the blue...no one argues that and let's not have a Shannon vs Cork thread again.

I though there would have been more of a drop in the 2015 figures.. Cant understand why the Lisbon flight was dropped, thought that was a busy enough route..I would expect 2.2million for 2016 at least

I too expected lower 2015 figures and a higher growth rate for 2016 (being honest I wouldn't put all my faith in Jamie's 2016 estimate). For the LIS flight, it could be possible that yield was muck, and/or the route was only busy in the Peak summer, and made a loss or close to it outside June and July.

kub · 22-01-2016 10:12PM

I was reading an editorial in this mornings Irish Examiner and they said this US decision is a political one and are encouraging The Taoiseach to sort it out. He did say in the Dail that he was supportive of it ( as he is of course coming up to an election ).
Could someone tell me please has the editorial gotten it wrong as it clearly states that it relates to the provision of pre clearance at Cork?

JCX BXC · 22-01-2016 10:50PM

Was it, by any chance, written by Eoin English?

I doubt its political being honest, who loses out? Dublin and Shannon realistically only lose a handful of pax, the LHR and AMS service loses a few too.

How can it be influenced politically? Not from Ireland anyway, from the US the airlines they have a leg to stand on, the Open Skies states the agreement is not intended to bypass Labour Laws.

roundymac · 23-01-2016 12:46PM

Carnacalla wrote: »

Was it, by any chance, written by Eoin English?

I doubt its political being honest, who loses out? Dublin and Shannon realistically only lose a handful of pax, the LHR and AMS service loses a few too.

How can it be influenced politically? Not from Ireland anyway, from the US the airlines they have a leg to stand on, the Open Skies states the agreement is not intended to bypass Labour Laws.

I think he meant political from the US side.

kub · 23-01-2016 03:45PM

roundymac wrote: »

I think he meant political from the US side.

No Eoin English was not the author of that editorial, i think the emphasis was to get The Taoiseach to speak politics with the US.

basill · 26-01-2016 02:19PM

Why would the Taoiseach want to do that? Norwegian are the bottom feeders of the airline industry and they will provide very little to this country. They are also outside of the EU.

Thai employment contracts, Singapore based staff, zero hours contracts, AOC in Ireland with a domicile outside of the EU and people want to back them all for the sake of saving a few bucks on an airfare?

They will be just like WOW. Few headline discounted fares and then after a while it will be cranked up to normal pricing and as soon as loads slip a bit they will abandon Cork and shift the aircraft somewhere else more profitable.

Cork folk would be better served pushing for a 757 charter in much the same way as Knock has the 330 this summer. But unfortunately its always hot air and many would rather fly east to go west. Hence nothing ever happens.

Locker10a · 26-01-2016 03:37PM

basill wrote: »

Why would the Taoiseach want to do that? Norwegian are the bottom feeders of the airline industry and they will provide very little to this country. They are also outside of the EU.

Thai employment contracts, Singapore based staff, zero hours contracts, AOC in Ireland with a domicile outside of the EU and people want to back them all for the sake of saving a few bucks on an airfare?

They will be just like WOW. Few headline discounted fares and then after a while it will be cranked up to normal pricing and as soon as loads slip a bit they will abandon Cork and shift the aircraft somewhere else more profitable.

Cork folk would be better served pushing for a 757 charter in much the same way as Knock has the 330 this summer. But unfortunately its always hot air and many would rather fly east to go west. Hence nothing ever happens.

Couldn't agree more !

JCX BXC · 26-01-2016 05:22PM

basill wrote: »

Cork folk would be better served pushing for a 757 charter in much the same way as Knock has the 330 this summer. But unfortunately its always hot air and many would rather fly east to go west. Hence nothing ever happens.

It achieves shockingly little. People from Knock or areas around can't fly that route. Only pilgrims from the US. Cork has so such standing.

Why should Cork push for that?

zone 1 · 26-01-2016 05:44PM

after all if it goes ahead i hope it works. because this is corks only chance into the long haul market. hope it works but time will tell, cork could still waiting for TA in 2 years time the ways its going

JCX BXC · 26-01-2016 05:48PM

zone 1 wrote: »

, cork could still waiting for TA in 2 years time the ways its going

It probably will.

Cork may not see transatlantic for the foreseeable future. With the increasing competition from SNN and DUB airlines are very unwilling to damage their current markets. ORK may be a start for NAI should they get the permission from the US to pay their staff dirt money, but when they would have moved onto Dublin would they have kept their ops at Cork? Im not so sure.

zone 1 · 26-01-2016 06:02PM

would have something like st john in canada been start for cork connecting onwards to north america or would that be stupid idea

JCX BXC · 26-01-2016 06:05PM

Its an idea alright, in the long run I think its more likely than a US route.

MoeJay · 26-01-2016 06:21PM

The Cork lobby and media would spend their time better by asking Norwegian why they won't operate the route the same way they operate routes from the UK instead of giving an all or nothing ultimatum...

JCX BXC · 26-01-2016 06:26PM

MoeJay wrote: »

The Cork lobby and media would spend their time better by asking Norwegian why they won't operate the route the same way they operate routes from the UK instead of giving an all or nothing ultimatum...

Alot know why, they just aren't happy with the answer

The answer is the market isn't as hefty in Cork, but it is being used because they can play God for the airport while really being the devil by bypassing labour laws.

kub · 26-01-2016 06:59PM

basill wrote: »

Why would the Taoiseach want to do that? Norwegian are the bottom feeders of the airline industry and they will provide very little to this country. They are also outside of the EU.

Thai employment contracts, Singapore based staff, zero hours contracts, AOC in Ireland with a domicile outside of the EU and people want to back them all for the sake of saving a few bucks on an airfare?

They will be just like WOW. Few headline discounted fares and then after a while it will be cranked up to normal pricing and as soon as loads slip a bit they will abandon Cork and shift the aircraft somewhere else more profitable.

Cork folk would be better served pushing for a 757 charter in much the same way as Knock has the 330 this summer. But unfortunately its always hot air and many would rather fly east to go west. Hence nothing ever happens.

I don't know why The Taoiseach would do that, perhaps ask The Examiner, don't shoot the messenger.

Zonda999 · 26-01-2016 09:43PM

basill wrote: »

Why would the Taoiseach want to do that? Norwegian are the bottom feeders of the airline industry and they will provide very little to this country. They are also outside of the EU.

Thai employment contracts, Singapore based staff, zero hours contracts, AOC in Ireland with a domicile outside of the EU and people want to back them all for the sake of saving a few bucks on an airfare?

They will be just like WOW. Few headline discounted fares and then after a while it will be cranked up to normal pricing and as soon as loads slip a bit they will abandon Cork and shift the aircraft somewhere else more profitable.

Cork folk would be better served pushing for a 757 charter in much the same way as Knock has the 330 this summer. But unfortunately its always hot air and many would rather fly east to go west. Hence nothing ever happens.

Complete sense, if this was a normal situation via-a-vis service from Cork, it would be great but this whole thing has been reduced to a whole load of hot air with people, many of them politically motivated, trying to be seen to do things ahead of the election. For a start, I think there is complete ignorance on the local conversation in Cork (On the local radio stations talking shop morning shows, I mean) on the very valid reason that the US have stalled on allowing the route.

As for the talk of this bringing investment to Cork, very marginal I'd have said, we're talking about a seasonal service from a lo cost carrier. In that respect, I only think its useful in that it may convince one of the US carriers or Aer Lingus (potentially once they get A321LR's) that Cork has the viability to support a daily year round US route (like JFK, for example). Consistency of service like that would help Cork in fairness.

JCX BXC · 26-01-2016 09:56PM

Zonda999 wrote: »

As for the talk of this bringing investment to Cork, very marginal I'd have said, we're talking about a seasonal service from a lo cost carrier. In that respect, I only think its useful in that it may convince one of the US carriers or Aer Lingus (potentially once they get A321LR's) that Cork has the viability to support a daily year round US route (like JFK, for example). Consistency of service like that would help Cork in fairness.

Norweigen was to be year round.

To build a transatlantic market, as Belfast has you start with a summer seasonal service and build it. The markets not there automatically for a daily year round service to JFK. How do we know its there at all? There's no evidence I have seen.

lisasimpson · 26-01-2016 10:09PM

Regradless of the boston route, any idea of the bookings for the other new routes going..read on one of the national papers that holiday bookings made this January compared to other years are up significantly

Zonda999 · 26-01-2016 10:22PM

Carnacalla wrote: »

Norweigen was to be year round.

To build a transatlantic market, as Belfast has you start with a summer seasonal service and build it. The markets not there automatically for a daily year round service to JFK. How do we know its there at all? There's no evidence I have seen.

Apologies, hadn't realised it was to be year round, probably because there would be issues with the route on a 737-800 in the Winter I would have imagined.

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