Cork 2016 Route news

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http://www.corkairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/15-10-08/CityJet_Announces_New_Routes_To_France_From_Cork_Airport.aspx
Two new routes for next summer, Nantes and laRochelle.

CityJet, the Irish European regional airline, today announced additional services from Cork Airport, a week after launching its new airlink between the Southern capital and London City Airport.
The airline is to commence services next summer from Cork to the French cities of Nantes and La Rochelle. The carrier will fly from June 18, 2016, to both French cities, providing direct jet services to French regions which are very popular with Irish visitors. Cork/ La Rochelle will operate twice weekly on Tuesday and Saturday with Cork/Nantes weekly on Saturdays.

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http://www.corkairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/15-10-08/CityJet_And_Aer_Lingus_Announce_New_Routes_And_Capacity_At_Cork_Airport.aspx

Other good news at Cork Airport was Aer Lingus’ launch of its summer schedule, which includes additional capacity on its Paris, Barcelona, Palma and Faro services from Munster’s favourite airport.
The announcements by both airlines means over 2,300 additional seats each week from Cork Airport for the summer months to seven destinations that are exceptionally popular with Irish tourists.
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Aer Lingus had also already announced that it is to double its service to Tenerife for the winter season, which starts at the end of this month.

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http://www.corkairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/15-09-25/Cork_Airport_Wins_Its_First_Transatlantic_Routes.aspx

Norwegian has announced today that it plans to operate a direct Cork-Boston service from next May and that it also intends to launch a new Cork-New York service in 2017. A Cork-Barcelona service is also planned from May 2016.
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“Cork Airport has long sought a service to the United States and we are thrilled that our customers will be able to fly direct from Cork to Boston next year, and that we’ll have flights to New York in 2017,” said Cork Airport Managing Director Niall MacCarthy.
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Norwegian CEO Bjorn Kjos said: “Norwegian is leading the way in offering affordable transatlantic travel and with the new generation aircraft we have on order, we now have exciting plans to offer low-cost flights from Cork to Boston in 2016 and Cork to New York in 2017.

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Started this month. Cityjet ORK-LCY

http://www.corkairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/15-10-01/New_CityJet_Service_Takes_Off.aspx

CityJet’s new Cork-London City service takes off today and will operate three times per day from Monday to Friday, with one return flight on Saturdays and two flights on Sundays.

London is one of the most popular destinations from Cork Airport with over 800,000 passengers flying from the region each year. It is expected that the new London City service will increase this further over the coming months as Cork Airport returns to growth in 2016.

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http://www.corkairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/15-09-01/Flybe_Doubles_Direct_Flights_to_Cardiff_From_Cork_Airport.aspx

Flybe’s new additional service to Cardiff takes off today from Cork Airport just ahead of Ireland’s opening match in the Rugby World Cup in the Welsh capital against Canada in three weeks time. The new year-round service with Europe's largest regional airline is in addition to the Saturday flight that first took off from Cork Airport last June.
The announcement is part of Flybe’s route network expansion as the airline adds 22 more flights to seven key routes to and from Cardiff. The extra flight is perfectly timed for Irish rugby fans across Munster as Ireland are also set to play France in Cardiff’s state-of-the-art Millennium Stadium.

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Just to sum up the above that's:

Cork-Cardiff - Flybe (2pw)-Commenced
Cork-London - Cityjet (18pw)-Commenced
Cork-Nantes - Cityjet (1pw)-June 2016
Cork-La Rochelle - Cityjet (2pw)-June 2016
Cork-Dusseldorf - Aer Lingus (2pw)-May 2016
Cork-Boston - Norwegian (4/5pw)-May 2016
Cork-New York - Norwegian (Unclear) May 2017
Cork-Barcalona -Norwegian (4/5pw)-May 2016

Capacity Increases

ORK-FAO with Aer Lingus 7pw to 8pw
ORK-BCN with Aer Lingus 2pw to 3pw
ORK-PMI with Aer Lingus 3pw to 4pw
ORK-CDG with Aer Lingus 7pw to 9pw.

Bumper year at Cork.

Extra 37/39 flights a week so far!

yerwanthere123

Very exciting to see all the new routes, hope the American ones in particular are a success.

embraer170

But ORK-BRU being dropped?!

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embraer170 wrote: »

But ORK-BRU being dropped?!

Summer scheduled not fully loaded yet!
SNN-AGP and SNN-FAO are not loaded too.

roundymac

embraer170 wrote: »

But ORK-BRU being dropped?!

Hopefully that won't be the case, however EI have been very lukewarm with the route. Still we've had a couple of good news, it can't last for ever.

highlydebased

According to https://travelextra.wordpress.com/2015/09/30/travel-extras-sunday-supplement-oct-11-2015/ they are dropping it

Also not onsale is ORK-Pisa and Fuerteventura, though with the usual Ryanair rigamarole with part loading schedules they may yet appear...

highlydebased

Meanwhile a local businessman is seeking funding to start an airline to fly Cork-Dublin
http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/business-rallies-suport-for-new-service-to-dublin/1004136/

highlydebased

highlydebased wrote: »

Meanwhile a local businessman is seeking funding to start an airline to fly Cork-Dublin
http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/business-rallies-suport-for-new-service-to-dublin/1004136/

A million !!! Is that ALL he thinks it takes to start an airline ! And he'll knock out a business case in two weeks ! Yikes.

While I think there is realistically a good case for an airline to fly between the two cities, it would need to be pitch perfect, dirt cheap to make it financially worth while and perfectly timed for the TA flights.

A lot of research would need to be done to see where people from Cork going by road to Dublin are flying to to even see if it was worth while.

questionmark?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A million !!! Is that ALL he thinks it takes to start an airline ! And he'll knock out a business case in two weeks ! Yikes.

While I think there is realistically a good case for an airline to fly between the two cities, it would need to be pitch perfect, dirt cheap to make it financially worth while and perfectly timed for the TA flights.

A lot of research would need to be done to see where people from Cork going by road to Dublin are flying to to even see if it was worth while.

Of course he could do it for a million.........he plans on using joint catapults and paper airplanes ya?

roundymac

Just did a dummy booking for next thurs by rail, it can be done for €37 return. Now if he can beat that he might be on a winner. All very well though saying you can fly there in half an hour, you have to add on check in, 45 mins minimum, plus get from Dublin airport to city centre, your talking another 45-60 mins. thats almost the length of time for the train. You also have the bus @ €25 return. I wish you well with your venture.

Chris_5339762

Nah Cork - Dublin will never work for people going to Dublin itself. An ATR or something like that doing feeder flights however, may be viable.

VG31

In Germany there are lots of short flights along routes that are also well served by trains, many of which are even shorter than Dublin to Cork, e.g. Munich to Nuremberg, Frankfurt to Nuremberg, Frankfurt to Stuttgart, Frankfurt to Düsseldorf.

The route would have to be like Kerry/Donegal to Dublin and be able to connect with mainline EI flights.

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What this business man is proposing is very unlikely to have a connecting agreement with EI.

roundymac

roundymac wrote: »

Just did a dummy booking for next thurs by rail, it can be done for €37 return. Now if he can beat that he might be on a winner. All very well though saying you can fly there in half an hour, you have to add on check in, 45 mins minimum, plus get from Dublin airport to city centre, your talking another 45-60 mins. thats almost the length of time for the train. You also have the bus @ €25 return. I wish you well with your venture.

Any business case would have to be transfer traffic, preferably Aer Lingus running it so you get into T2 to shorten transit times. The aircraft would have to be faster than a turboprop but less seats than a jet. The Do328 design has been bought by a company looking to start production again in or near the original factory. 72 passenger aircraft is just too many. The economic case is very tight one way or the other. Purely flying as O&D traffic is going to be hard against rail and road, rail yes is beatable for some as you still have to get to a station sometimes through traffic but less waiting time than air.

Is there really many people wanting to go from Cork to Belfast ? That route has never been sustainable even before the M7 and M1.

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The supposed Ryanair expansion announcement rumours have died down. Schedule not announced yet though!

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On the main page of the Cork Aiport page there is a map of the destinations of Cork. Brussels is still there, but Fuerteventura and Pisa are not.

roundymac

I would'nt consider it the most accurate of pages. Often long after routes have been dropped they are still shown on that page. However some routes might have a lifespan of 2-3 years. When we travel to a place ex Cork it generally is going to be our one and only time going there, London Paris excepted. We would go in the first year or two of the route operating.

highlydebased

I see on travelextra that cityjet are planning a 12 week service to Menorca (Mahon Airport) next Summer, every Saturday

Jamie2k9

Cityjet seem to be shaping up well for Cork, with the new jets flying the route one might expect there could be a lot of future charter opportunities with them from Cork as well as scheduled services.

man98

It is worth noting that it will be with a SSJ 100, the first time one will have been to Ireland to my knowledge.

highlydebased

man98 wrote: »

It is worth noting that it will be with a SSJ 100, the first time one will have been to Ireland to my knowledge.

Well one assumes they will be operating from Dublin prior to this route starting

Chris_5339762

I'll miss the RJ85s, I quite like them.

man98

highlydebased wrote: »

Well one assumes they will be operating from Dublin prior to this route starting

I'd imagine so, but this is the first announcement. Good to see more charters from Cork too.

Jamie2k9

IB Express open twice weekly MAD from mid June-mind Sep.

roundymac

Great news, sat and wed flights. Will be able to feed into Iberia, ideal for South America.

Van.Bosch

roundymac wrote: »

Great news, sat and wed flights. Will be able to feed into Iberia, ideal for South America.

Twice weekly won't open up too many opportunities.

kub

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Twice weekly won't open up too many opportunities.

Might be just scouting demand

Stinicker

So I guess with this announcement we should now expect Ryanair to launch Cork-Madrid double daily at €4.99 until Iberia pull out then Ryanair will quietly pull the route just like how they killed off WizzAir at Cork.

kub

Stinicker wrote: »

So I guess with this announcement we should now expect Ryanair to launch Cork-Madrid double daily at €4.99 until Iberia pull out then Ryanair will quietly pull the route just like how they killed off WizzAir at Cork.

Am i right in thinking that a new route is free for the first while and charges are introduced after a while but if a competitor goes on the same route that they are charged full landing rates etc?
You are right, good point they are vultures and are no good for the long term growth of Cork with tricks like that.

lisasimpson

kub wrote: »

Might be just scouting demand

my thoughts exactly, there would be a good enough demand in the summer months anyways esp with all the Spanish students that come here and the number of Spanish working here. I really hope in jan the airport do a good promotional campaign (not just in cork but surrounding counties) for the new routes coming on stream... unfortunately some people just have the tenancy to check Airlingus and Ryanair website when booking trips

Van.Bosch

lisasimpson wrote: »

my thoughts exactly, there would be a good enough demand in the summer months anyways esp with all the Spanish students that come here and the number of Spanish working here. I really hope in jan the airport do a good promotional campaign (not just in cork but surrounding counties) for the new routes coming on stream... unfortunately some people just have the tenancy to check Airlingus and Ryanair website when booking trips

Think they may have a deal with a group of Spanish students as I saw that referenced somewhere.

Zonda999

Stinicker wrote: »

So I guess with this announcement we should now expect Ryanair to launch Cork-Madrid double daily at €4.99 until Iberia pull out then Ryanair will quietly pull the route just like how they killed off WizzAir at Cork.

At least Aer Lingus won't do the same with Iberia Express being a part of IAG. I think this route has decent potential without doubt much helped by the influx of Spanaish students during the summer but it strikes me as a decent route in terms of demand on the Irish side also, with any bit of marketing at all

highlydebased

The pressure is on US DOT to approve Norwegian's foreign carrier license. Cork flights (and others) cant happen without this

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/us-urged-to-give-nod-to-flights-from-cork-airport-by-norwegian-367300.html

MoeJay

This isn't actually true. Norwegian could start the route tomorrow.

They just don't want to use their existing NAS AOC. This is a fudge to allow NAI to get traffic rights into the USA.

Their flights ex LGW show there is no legal impediment to Norwegian using existing structures to operate routes. The Cork announcement, in my opinion, is being used by the corporation to achieve other goals.

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Stinicker wrote: »

So I guess with this announcement we should now expect Ryanair to launch Cork-Madrid double daily at €4.99 until Iberia pull out then Ryanair will quietly pull the route just like how they killed off WizzAir at Cork.

I doubt it, Wizz air was years ago, in recent years Ryanair haven't challenged any of these new routes, Prague, Ibiza (they didn't actually start but their cancellation was late), Newcastle, dusseldorf, Barcelona, Cardiff, Lá Rochelle, Nantes.

L1011

Carnacalla wrote: »

I doubt it, Wizz air was years ago, in recent years Ryanair haven't challenged any of these new routes, Prague, Ibiza (they didn't actually start but their cancellation was late), Newcastle, dusseldorf, Barcelona, Cardiff, Lá Rochelle, Nantes.

Ryanair's attack dog tactics are against new airlines not new routes. Those routes have been added (mostly) by long established airlines at ORK.

Easyjet and Wizz attack jobs were "get off my turf" warning shots. They've tolerated Norwegian until now at DUB* and I suspect the ORK flights will be OK also unless they start multiple routes.

*bar the fact that the four carrier CPH bloodbath means everyone is cheap, which is great for my 80 quid return almost last minute holiers I'm on... EI blinked first and go in March.

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L1011 wrote: »

Ryanair's attack dog tactics are against new airlines not new routes. Those routes have been added (mostly) by long established airlines at ORK.

There's only 1 long established airline at cork other than Ryanair, that's Aer Lingus, who have only added 1 of the routes I listed above.

L1011

Carnacalla wrote: »

There's only 1 long established airline at cork other than Ryanair, that's Aer Lingus, who have only added 1 of the routes I listed above.

Aer Lingus added three of them at least by my reckoning

Cityjet are a known entity for FR at DUB; not that they compete there but its not a new airline coming in on "their" turf.

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L1011 wrote: »

Aer Lingus added three of them at least by my reckoning

Cityjet are a known entity for FR at DUB; not that they compete there but its not a new airline coming in on "their" turf.

Only 1 as listed above, although maybe Newcastle can be counted if you want to argue the AL regional brand. Besides that cityjet taking up ex Ryanair routed is a dangerous game. No response? Can't see.much on Madrid either.

L1011

Carnacalla wrote: »

Only 1 as listed above, although maybe Newcastle can be counted if you want to argue the AL regional brand.

Dusseldort.

There's no argument about Newcastle either, its solely sold by EI.

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L1011 wrote: »

Dusseldort.

There's no argument about Newcastle either, its solely sold by EI.

But operated by stobart and all decisions made by the stobart company.

Locker10a

Carnacalla wrote: »

But operated by stobart and all decisions made by the stobart company.

I don't think that accurate, stobart look after the operations of the flight and aircraft most decisions such as frequency and timing would be decisions taken by Aer Lingus

LXFlyer

Locker10a wrote: »

I don't think that accurate, stobart look after the operations of the flight and aircraft most decisions such as frequency and timing would be decisions taken by Aer Lingus

I'm pretty sure that is not the case.

EI sell the tickets and market the service, but apart from that all of the commercial and operational decisions are down to Stobart.

Deatr

lxflyer wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that is not the case.

EI sell the tickets and market the service, but apart from that all of the commercial and operational decisions are down to Stobart.

Ixflyer is correct.

LXFlyer

Deatr wrote: »

Ixflyer is correct.

Thanks! LXFlyer