Cork 2016 Route news

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irishguy1983 wrote: »

Is Cork Brussels definitely gone??

According to Travel Extra 3 months ago, yes. It's also very unlikely that it will return if its not bookable by now.

irishbloke77

I still don't see cork on the Norwegian airlines website, for their flight to Barcelona or Boston. Is it not getting a little late since they are supposed to start flying in 4 months but still not yet for sale?

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irishbloke77 wrote: »

I still don't see cork on the Norwegian airlines website, for their flight to Barcelona or Boston. Is it not getting a little late since they are supposed to start flying in 4 months but still not yet for sale?

I think its getting fairly late too, but AFAIK they are waiting for some sort of US approval.

highlydebased

Norwegian looks doubtful for 2016 if ever to be honest

zone 1

have cork airport released anything yet

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zone 1 wrote: »

have cork airport released anything yet

In terms of what?

zone 1

well to say if the service will take off or not

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zone 1 wrote: »

well to say if the service will take off or not

Not as of yet, and if the service isn't going ahead they may not issue one (best you will get is a social media conformation). Most airports don't like Doom and Gloom PR, even if Cork is sometimes the exception.

marmurr1916

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Nah Cork - Dublin will never work for people going to Dublin itself. An ATR or something like that doing feeder flights however, may be viable.

Ryanair used to do Dublin-Cork flights a few years ago.

If they couldn't make a go of it I doubt some fella who thinks that an air route can be started up for €1 million could.

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marmurr1916 wrote: »

Ryanair used to do Dublin-Cork flights a few years ago.

If they couldn't make a go of it I doubt some fella who thinks that an air route can be started up for €1 million could.

The reasons why Ryanair couldn't do it (189 seat aircraft on that route!) are different to the reasons to why the deluded business man wouldn't be able to do it, but regardless neither will ever be able to.

L1011

marmurr1916 wrote: »

Ryanair used to do Dublin-Cork flights a few years ago.

If they couldn't make a go of it I doubt some fella who thinks that an air route can be started up for €1 million could.

Ryanair operated those flights solely to harm Aer Arann, not as a commercial service. Too big a plane too often also

L1011

irishbloke77 wrote: »

I still don't see cork on the Norwegian airlines website, for their flight to Barcelona or Boston. Is it not getting a little late since they are supposed to start flying in 4 months but still not yet for sale?

Its in their in flight magazine for both, but that is all part of the posturing with the DOJ/FAA over the foreign carrier permit

xband

Wondering how much lobbying power those opposed to that route have in the US?

LXFlyer

irishbloke77 wrote: »

I still don't see cork on the Norwegian airlines website, for their flight to Barcelona or Boston. Is it not getting a little late since they are supposed to start flying in 4 months but still not yet for sale?

Until they get US approval, you're not going to hear anything.


All of the original announcements made it clear that the launch of the Barcelona-Cork-Boston route was subject to getting US approval to operate it.

MoeJay

lxflyer wrote: »

Until they get US approval, you're not going to hear anything.


All of the original announcements made it clear that the launch of the Barcelona-Cork-Boston route was subject to getting US approval to operate it.

Which is a pity, as I've said before, seeing as they could start it tomorrow, but it doesn't suit Norwegian's narrative.

Van.Bosch

MoeJay wrote: »

Which is a pity, as I've said before, seeing as they could start it tomorrow, but it doesn't suit Norwegian's narrative.

I would love to see this route but I can't see it happening.does anyone believe it will happen?

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Van.Bosch wrote: »

I would love to see this route but I can't see it happening.does anyone believe it will happen?

We can't make up then minds of the US authorities!

But no, unless the licence is granted very soon, I can't see it starting.

man98

They could start if they liked any day, as Norwegian Air SERVICES. This is what they have been doing with their 787 fleet since day one. However, they know that they need support from America's friends if they can get their application for NAI through. The only difference between the two is that NAI is legally an Irish company, meaning they can treat workers worse than usual. There's pressure from the 4 major airlines in the US to reject the application as they're comfortable with their arrangement together. As long as Cork is being used as a pawn I have no time for all of these power games.

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man98 wrote: »

They could start if they liked any day, as Norwegian Air SERVICES. This is what they have been doing with their 787 fleet since day one. However, they know that they need support from America's friends if they can get their application for NAI through. The only difference between the two is that NAI is legally an Irish company, meaning they can treat workers worse than usual. There's pressure from the 4 major airlines in the US to reject the application as they're comfortable with their arrangement together. As long as Cork is being used as a pawn I have no time for all of these power games.

May I ask how can they treat workers worse than usual under the Irish company? Surely the Irish contracts aren't as bad as the Asian ones?

MoeJay

Being an Irish employer has less onerous requirements than being a Norwegian employer without the convoluted contractual arrangements needed...e.g. statutory sick pay for one. Corporation tax rate for another.

The Singaporean contracts operate under Norwegian Long Haul, but it's still a Norwegian company, unlike NAI.

Rawr

Carnacalla wrote: »

May I ask how can they treat workers worse than usual under the Irish company? Surely the Irish contracts aren't as bad as the Asian ones?

Usually Norwegian (aka Norwegian Air Shuttle) are governed by Norway's working regulations, which are a good deal more pro-worker than Irish regulations.

Norway's employment laws offer stricter rules regarding: working time, time off, pay (which tends to be higher), and conditions for dismissal (it can be difficult for a Norwegian company to sack staff without really good reasons). Irish law offers Norwegian a lot more flexibility for their long-haul operation, and thus part of the appeal for them to run it as an 'Irish' airline.

There was a lot of hub-bub here in Norway when people learned about this, especially from the current staff at NAS. Many viewed it as a cheeky way of getting around the local laws and to potentially undercut the higher paid staff based in Norway.

Out of interest, would that proposed Barcelona - Cork - Boston flight be one of the Dreamliners? Can Cork handle a craft that big?

L1011

Rawr wrote: »

Out of interest, would that proposed Barcelona - Cork - Boston flight be one of the Dreamliners? Can Cork handle a craft that big?

A320 (which they don't have yet, but are getting) is currently suggested.

xband

Cork has a long history of vapourwear when it comes to transatlantic announcements though.

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L1011 wrote: »

A320 (which they don't have yet, but are getting) is currently suggested.

Am...no.....the 738-800, to be upgraded to the 737Max.

Rawr

Carnacalla wrote: »

Am...no.....the 738-800, to be upgraded to the 737Max.

Much of Norwegian's short-haul fleet is made up of 737-800s (Often with very nice Sky Interiors). So it wouldn't be beyond their Pale to use one of them on this route.

However, could a 737-800 make it from Cork to Boston? Would there be weight restrictions on this flight? Or is an additional refueling stop needed? (At St. Johns for example). Also I don't know if any of the short haul Norwegians have ETOPS. Maybe they are waiting on that at the moment?

thomil

Rawr wrote: »

However, could a 737-800 make it from Cork to Boston? Would there be weight restrictions on this flight? Or is an additional refueling stop needed? (At St. Johns for example). Also I don't know if any of the short haul Norwegians have ETOPS. Maybe they are waiting on that at the moment?

Wikipedia states the maximum range of a Boeing 737-800 is 3060 miles, or 3115 miles when Winglets are fitted. The Great Circle Mapper gives a distance of 2925 miles. The aircraft will probably be hit with a payload restriction, especially given the runway here, but it should be doable. ETOPS is a whole different matter, though. Can't say anything about that.

Bussywussy

They Have ETOPS approval on 737s,runway should be fine for this route

Cosmo Kramer

I'd expect problems doing the route directly westbound in times of strong headwinds. However, at this stage I'd be amazed if it happens at all in 2016. I doubt there will be a press release but, at some point, Eoin English or another local hack will ask the question and will get a carefully worded response from Cork Airport PR.

yerwanthere123

This is all extremely disappointing. When Cork airport announced the routes last year I didn't realise that they hadn't even been approved by the US department of transport. They're not going to happen at all are they?

LXFlyer

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

This is all extremely disappointing. When Cork airport announced the routes last year I didn't realise that they hadn't even been approved by the US department of transport. They're not going to happen at all are they?

No one can say that yet - you will just have to be patient.

It was made very clear at the time that these services were subject to US approval being granted.

The RTE News report at the time stated:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0926/730488-norwegian/

Norwegian CEO Bjorn Kjos said: "This is only the beginning of our plans for new routes in Ireland but our expansion relies on the US Department of Transportation (DoT) finally approving Norwegian Air International’s application for a foreign carrier permit.

"Only DoT approval for NAI will unlock the door for these exciting new routes, creating more competition, more choice and better fares for business and leisure passengers on both sides of the Atlantic."