The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD (Wii U)

Deano7788 · 13-01-2016 9:15pm

Just completely ignore half the box and you're fine...really poor decision. I'm sure there are a number of people who've never played it. Hopefully they won't pay too much attention to the box.

pasta-solo · 13-01-2016 9:23pm

Star Lord wrote: »

I know the game is 10 years old later this year, but do they have to put spoiler images on the box art?

Would people know there's a spoiler if it wasn't being pointed out from those who know? I've never played Twilight Princess, looked at the box art, then read your comment and went back to look again. Maybe I wasn't looking as intently as some others might, but until you mentioned a spoiler I would have been blissfully ignorant of it!

That said, I'm still not 100% sure whats being spoiled on me. Maybe I'm just slow.

The_B_Man · 13-01-2016 9:58pm

I've played it on the Wii (didn't finish it) and I have no idea whats being spoiled on that cover.

Machismo Fan · 13-01-2016 10:10pm

pasta-solo wrote: »

That said, I'm still not 100% sure whats being spoiled on me. Maybe I'm just slow.

Yeah, maybe it'll click the second I play the game but having never played the game it doesn't spoil anything to me.

CastorTroy · 13-01-2016 10:21pm

Yeah I think it's only if someone points out what they believe is being spoiled, then you wouldn't know unless you've played the game and remember what happens.

I finished it on the Wii and I know what's being referred to but, like I said, don't worry about it.

sligeach · 13-01-2016 10:23pm

Zelda: Twilight Princess HD - Another Change: Max Rupees Increased

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKG_Kh8d6f4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKG_Kh8d6f4&feature=youtu.be&a

I hope there's something to use them on besides the Magic Armour.

sligeach · 14-01-2016 8:59am

Zelda: Twilight Princess HD to have a Hero Mode, extra dungeon unlocked via amiibo

Nintendo revealed The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD back in November, during the latest Nintendo Direct presentation. But since then, the company hasn’t said anything about the game, and even yesterday’s article in Famitsu didn’t allow us to learn anything really new. The magazine only revealed that there would be fewer Tears of Light in at least one region, and that the rupee limit has been increased.

But thanks to the product page on Amazon.fr, we finally have some proper details about the game. First, we learn that The Legend Zelda: Twilight Princess will have a Hero Mode, in which damage are doubled. Good news for players who already played the game on GameCube and/or Wii: it will be available right from the start! What’s more, you will be able to switch from Hero Mode to “Normal Mode” at any time.

The product page also mentions the items, that you can select easily via the touchscreen of the Wii U GamePad. You will be able to switch items without interrupting gameplay, which is a pretty neat feature.

Finally, we get details about the amiibo features of the game. First, we learn that the amiibo from The Legend of Zelda series can be used to get back some arrows or hearts. As for the Wolf Link amiibo, it apparently unlocks a brand new dungeon called “The Cave of Twilight / The Twilight Cave” (Cave du Crépuscule). And as mentioned during the Nintendo Direct, you will be able to record some data on it, and then transfer it to the new The Legend of Zelda game on Wii U.

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD (Wii U) comes out on March 4th in Europe and North America, and March 10th in Japan.

http://www.perfectly-nintendo.com/zelda-twilight-princess-hd-to-have-a-hero-mode-extra-dungeon-unlocked-via-amiibo/

MilesMorales1 · 14-01-2016 9:02am

Nintendo locking stuff behind an amiibo?

Its probably not hugely significant stuff though. The stuff locked behind the amiibos in splatoon was just a couple of challenge maps and a weapon.

CiDeRmAn · 14-01-2016 10:36am

And, it's not core to the game, it's an added extra for those who buy the relevant Amiibo.
So, if you buy Twilight Princess HD you are getting what you pay for.
You want the extra, pay for the extra

sligeach · 14-01-2016 10:49am

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Nintendo locking stuff behind an amiibo?

Its probably not hugely significant stuff though. The stuff locked behind the amiibos in splatoon was just a couple of challenge maps and a weapon.

I don't agree with locking away content already on the disc behind a paywall on day one. Splatoon had more than "just a couple of challenge maps and a weapon." It unlocks 20(not sure, may be 15) challenges for each amiibo, weapons, special gear and mini-games. Hardly insignificant. It's paid for DLC before the game even came out and it's the same with TP.

Star Lord · 14-01-2016 11:17am

Yes it is, it's a reward for those that wish to buy the Amiibo. And personally, I'm delighted at the thought of getting an extra area, or something extra to play.

MilesMorales1 · 14-01-2016 11:34am

Well not really, since the argument would be, either that content wouldn't exist if not for the amiibo, or be DLC. Doesn't bother me, doesn't affect the core game, since chances are it'll just be like a challenge dungeon full of enemies or a bunch of chests.

sligeach · 14-01-2016 12:16pm

Twilight Princess already has the Cave of Ordeals. Funny how Wind Waker HD couldn't get a new dungeon, a game that actually needed more and had originally on the Gamecube been planned to include 2 more. Yet Twilight Princess, if there's one thing it's not short of, it's dungeons. It has more than any other Zelda game. Had SCamiibo been around at the time of WW HD, Nintendo might have conveniently changed their mind on the matter. We used to get bonuses in older games for free but now they're hidden behind SCamiibo and told they wouldn't otherwise exist.

CastorTroy · 14-01-2016 1:30pm

I remember in Link to the Past on GBA, the was an extra dungeon that could only be accessed by completing Four Swords. So I never got access to that dungeon

Corholio · 14-01-2016 2:27pm

sligeach wrote: »

Twilight Princess already has the Cave of Ordeals. Funny how Wind Waker HD couldn't get a new dungeon, a game that actually needed more and had originally on the Gamecube been planned to include 2 more. Yet Twilight Princess, if there's one thing it's not short of, it's dungeons. It has more than any other Zelda game. Had SCamiibo been around at the time of WW HD, Nintendo might have conveniently changed their mind on the matter. We used to get bonuses in older games for free but now they're hidden behind SCamiibo and told they wouldn't otherwise exist.

What bonuses did we used to get for free before that would equate to an extra dungeon in a Zelda console game?

It's DLC that you can optionally choose to get if you want, along with getting a pretty nice figure. The way Zelda's dungeons are made in a full game I would never expect to get a whole one for free.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 14-01-2016 3:42pm

I remember back in the day there was an extra dungeon added to the DX (Colour) version of Link's Awakening, granted it was in released in the years pre-DLC.

Myrddin · 14-01-2016 3:48pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

And, it's not core to the game, it's an added extra for those who buy the relevant Amiibo.
So, if you buy Twilight Princess HD you are getting what you pay for.
You want the extra, pay for the extra

Normally I'd agree, it's just like DLC - pay for it you get it etc. However, this is a port of a decade old game, at full price to boot. It should be treated at least, like a GOTY that comes bundled with any & all dlc for it. I wasn't sold on Amiibo's before, & this is exactly why...

Machismo Fan · 14-01-2016 5:54pm

Yeah, I don't have much problem with them walling bonus content behind amiibo. Especially when the core game is 40 hours anyway. People get mad when the amiibo do too little and then they get mad if they do too much. Can't really win. But with the way amiibo are selling for Nintendo, it's not going to change anytime soon.

sligeach · 14-01-2016 6:39pm

Corholio wrote: »

What bonuses did we used to get for free before that would equate to an extra dungeon in a Zelda console game?

It's DLC that you can optionally choose to get if you want, along with getting a pretty nice figure. The way Zelda's dungeons are made in a full game I would never expect to get a whole one for free.

Loads of games have extras and bonuses upon completion. Take Metroid: Other M as an example which I was discussing elsewhere today, I won't spoil it but there's a brilliant extra fight against a boss from Super Metroid after you complete the game.

I don't consider Cave of Ordeals a dungeon, it recycles the games assets and battles. We don't know yet what Cave of Twilight is but I'm hoping for better than that.

I've said before I despise amiibo and I think Nintendo will end up in a toxic position with them eventually, similar to how the Wii brand is viewed.

Corholio · 14-01-2016 7:02pm

sligeach wrote: »

Loads of games have extras and bonuses upon completion. Take Metroid: Other M as an example which I was discussing elsewhere today, I won't spoil it but there's a brilliant extra fight against a boss from Super Metroid after you complete the game.

I don't consider Cave of Ordeals a dungeon, it recycles the games assets and battles. We don't know yet what Cave of Twilight is but I'm hoping for better than that.

I've said before I despise amiibo and I think Nintendo will end up in a toxic position with them eventually, similar to how the Wii brand is viewed.

Nobody said anything about a bonus after completion? It's just an extra dungeon, which we don't know much about, unlocked via the amiibo. People buy the amiibo for different reasons, anyone buying it for the aesthetic reason will have a nice bonus, I don't see anything wrong with that. Unless of course you don't like amiibo period, which we all certainly know you don't, and that's another matter entirely.

super_furry · 14-01-2016 7:31pm

It's a really crappy business model, disappointed to see Nintendo stoop to this kind of carry on.

"Want more of this classic game you've already bought on two consoles? Buy our plastic tat!"

sligeach · 14-01-2016 7:31pm

There's another thing that nobody's picked up on. The only amiibo I own is the green Yarn Yoshi that came with the bundle, he's sitting in his box sealed. To get this dungeon in TP I've to unnecessarily open the amiibo and scan it to unlock content that's already on the disc. Needless hassle and cumbersomeness.

Myrddin · 14-01-2016 7:43pm

sligeach wrote: »

There's another thing that nobody's picked up on. The only amiibo I own is the green Yarn Yoshi that came with the bundle, he's sitting in his box sealed. To get this dungeon in TP I've to unnecessarily open the amiibo and scan it to unlock content that's already on the disc. Needless hassle and cumbersomeness.

In fairness that's clutching at straws, opening something we bought in order to use it is hardly a revelation.

It just annoys me more so because it's an old game:

The Master Chief Collection - Four full games for the price of one, two of them complete HD remasters.
The Nathan Drake Collection - Three complete games for the price of one. All three are HD remasters.
Twilight Princess HD - One HD remastered game, full price, DLC on disc.

I dunno, maybe I'm just having a bad day

it just seems like Ninty are still on another planet compared to Sony & MS.

sligeach · 14-01-2016 8:56pm

I don't want to open the amiibo. There's no reason whatsoever why the dungeon couldn't be unlocked without it. It's a forced roadblock. Nintendo will continue to do it as long as they can get away with it. And if it sells well they may go even further with future games.

Ol' Donie · 14-01-2016 9:52pm

Buy it twice and get over it.

Ah, no, that's mean. Sorry.

I bought the Link amiibo ages ago. It's still in it's box. I love Nintendo, but little toy yokeys don't do anything for me.

Does the old Link one do anything good anywhere (apart from Smash, don't care about Smash)?

*accepts ban*

Star Lord · 14-01-2016 10:44pm

sligeach wrote: »

Nintendo will continue to do it as long as they can get away with it.

I know, right, a company continuing with a strategy that is working for them. It's almost like companies try to make money, while providing things that many people obviously like. And doing what people have been asking for by offering more with the Amiibo.

Those crafty bastards.

Corholio · 14-01-2016 11:08pm

sligeach wrote: »

There's another thing that nobody's picked up on. The only amiibo I own is the green Yarn Yoshi that came with the bundle, he's sitting in his box sealed. To get this dungeon in TP I've to unnecessarily open the amiibo and scan it to unlock content that's already on the disc. Needless hassle and cumbersomeness.

Nobodies picked up on it because it's a silly argument. Whatever about the content it unlocks or doesn't unlock, everyone has their views on that but complaining that you have to open a product that is made to be opened, unless it's for collector reasons which in any case you'd never be opening it anyway, is a little ridiculous in fairness.

sligeach · 14-01-2016 11:51pm

Star Lord wrote: »

I know, right, a company continuing with a strategy that is working for them. It's almost like companies try to make money, while providing things that many people obviously like. And doing what people have been asking for by offering more with the Amiibo.

Those crafty bastards.

Have you read around the net? This hasn't gone down well at all. The Wii was hugely popular but in the long run I think it's done more harm than good.

sligeach · 14-01-2016 11:59pm

Corholio wrote: »

Nobodies picked up on it because it's a silly argument. Whatever about the content it unlocks or doesn't unlock, everyone has their views on that but complaining that you have to open a product that is made to be opened, unless it's for collector reasons which in any case you'd never be opening it anyway, is a little ridiculous in fairness.

It's not a silly argument. I've plenty of things from Collectors Editions, be it books, posters, Classic controller Pro's, gold Zelda Wii remotes, etc, all sitting in their boxes new. The thing is having those sitting there sealed never took away from the game's experience. Not opening the Wolf Link amiibo however, will make a difference. Depending on what it does, I may just watch a Youtube video but then the save data is supposed to affect Zelda U in some way. It's so unnecessary, any save data can be achieved without using an amiibo.

Corholio · 15-01-2016 12:15am

sligeach wrote: »

It's not a silly argument. I've plenty of things from Collectors Editions, be it books, posters, Classic controller Pro's, gold Zelda Wii remotes, etc, all sitting in their boxes new. The thing is having those sitting there sealed never took away from the game's experience. Not opening the Wolf Link amiibo however, will make a difference. Depending on what it does, I may just watch a Youtube video but then the save data is supposed to affect Zelda U in some way. It's so unnecessary, any save data can be achieved without using an amiibo.

I don't know what you are comparing, are the things you have still sealed? If so then what do they put towards any experience? If they aren't sealed then it's not comparing it like for like with collectors of amiibo. If people have been collecting sealed amiibo then they know they will never open them, the idea of them being used for data has been there from the start and even though it's been underused it's been known. In a way it's much better this way than digital DLC, in which a whole dungeon would never have been given away for free anyway, as the figure itself is able to be sold on again if someone chooses to do so.

sligeach · 15-01-2016 5:12am

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Buy it twice and get over it. Ah, no, that's mean. Sorry. I bought the Link amiibo ages ago. It's still in it's box. I love Nintendo, but little toy yokeys don't do anything for me. Does the old Link one do anything good anywhere (apart from Smash, don't care about Smash)? *accepts ban*

He unlocks the Spin Top in Hyrule Warriors. The only means of getting that item is by buying that amiibo. I don't want any and I certainly don't want that poorly designed one, he's looking at the ground and being supported by a column of urine.

One thing Nintendo could do to help a little is not have the foil on the bottom of the Wolf Link amiibo in the box. These boxes won't be out on display on shelves, plus if they really wanted, they could put a foil layer at the bottom of the outer packaging box.

sligeach · 15-01-2016 5:19am

Corholio wrote: »

I don't know what you are comparing, are the things you have still sealed? If so then what do they put towards any experience? If they aren't sealed then it's not comparing it like for like with collectors of amiibo. If people have been collecting sealed amiibo then they know they will never open them, the idea of them being used for data has been there from the start and even though it's been underused it's been known. In a way it's much better this way than digital DLC, in which a whole dungeon would never have been given away for free anyway, as the figure itself is able to be sold on again if someone chooses to do so.

I'm saying having unopened artbooks, Wii remotes, etc in these Collector Editions isn't taking anything away from enjoying playing the game that they were a part of. Keeping the Wolf Link amiibo sealed, if the rumours are true will take away from the full games experience. And it won't just be TP, it'll carry over into Zelda U. I also don't see the point or enjoyment of scanning a piece of plastic on a gamepad. Maybe if I was 6 years old I'd feel differently but I don't.

pasta-solo · 15-01-2016 9:34am

sligeach wrote: »

I also don't see the point or enjoyment of scanning a piece of plastic on a gamepad. Maybe if I was 6 years old I'd feel differently but I don't.

That is a completely unnecessary and mean statement. Just because you don't like Amiibo doesn't make those who do childish or immature. Someone could level the same argument at games in general "I don't understand why someone would play a game about a fairy child saving a princess, maybe if I was 6 years old..." But that would be wrong, and you implying anyone older than 6 is too old for Amiibo is equally ridiculous.

Simply put, if you don't want Amiibo, don't buy them. If you want amiibo, and whatever extra features that come with them, then buy them.

Star Lord · 15-01-2016 11:54am

sligeach wrote: »

Maybe if I was 6 years old I'd feel differently but I don't.

Mod warning: Don't get insulting again. We can carry on conversations with differing viewpoints without stooping to this level.

Pac1Man · 15-01-2016 1:07pm

To use product you must open product. It's not a revelation.

Amiibo's were not built to be kept in a box, hence why they have a chip on their arse. It's hardly Nintendo's problem that people decide to do so.

And all we are getting is an extra dungeon, so what? It's not a branching story with an alternative ending and they are not chopping the story either.

sligeach · 15-01-2016 1:37pm

pasta-solo wrote: »

That is a completely unnecessary and mean statement. Just because you don't like Amiibo doesn't make those who do childish or immature. Someone could level the same argument at games in general "I don't understand why someone would play a game about a fairy child saving a princess, maybe if I was 6 years old..." But that would be wrong, and you implying anyone older than 6 is too old for Amiibo is equally ridiculous.

Simply put, if you don't want Amiibo, don't buy them. If you want amiibo, and whatever extra features that come with them, then buy them.

I expressed my opinion. I said if "I" was 6 six years old. I was remembering back to when I was a child and liked action figures, I lost interest in them I'd say no later than 10 or 11 years of age. I wasn't insulting any member. There's absolutely nothing wrong with what I said and I'll challenge anybody that says so. Nintendo's primary audience is kids, it always has been. Just look at their ads. Where's the Bayonetta amiibo, Project Zero amiibo, Xenoblade Chronicles X amiibo? Different audience. All their other games have amiibo tied in in some way.

I'm buying the TP Collector Edition. That doesn't mean I can't disagree with what Nintendo are doing. And it's not, "Simply put, if you don't want Amiibo, don't buy them. If you want amiibo, and whatever extra features that come with them, then buy them."

There are people who want the dungeon but resent having it locked behind an amiibo on disc on day 1. Where's the option for people who buy the game digitally or buy the game only and don't want amiibo? Nintendo said amiibo would never impinge significantly on the game experience(Splatoon and Mario Party 10 are other debatable titles), I'd say a dungeon says otherwise. And it carries over to Zelda U. Companies like EA and Capcom have got ripped for doing this sort of practise but suddenly it's alright when Nintendo are doing it?

Edit: And Bayonetta will now get an amiibo but that's because of Smash Bros.

Corholio · 15-01-2016 2:01pm

sligeach wrote: »

I expressed my opinion. I said if "I" was 6 six years old. I was remembering back to when I was a child and liked action figures, I lost interest in them I'd say no later than 10 or 11 years of age. I wasn't insulting any member. There's absolutely nothing wrong with what I said and I'll challenge anybody that says so. Nintendo's primary audience is kids, it always has been. Just look at their ads. Where's the Bayonetta amiibo, Project Zero amiibo, Xenoblade Chronicles X amiibo? Different audience. All their other games have amiibo tied in in some way.

I'm buying the TP Collector Edition. That doesn't mean I can't disagree with what Nintendo are doing. And it's not, "Simply put, if you don't want Amiibo, don't buy them. If you want amiibo, and whatever extra features that come with them, then buy them."

There are people who want the dungeon but resent having it locked behind an amiibo on disc on day 1. Where's the option for people who buy the game digitally or buy the game only and don't want amiibo? Nintendo said amiibo would never impinge significantly on the game experience(Splatoon and Mario Party 10 are other debatable titles), I'd say a dungeon says otherwise. And it carries over to Zelda U. Companies like EA and Capcom have got ripped for doing this sort of practise but suddenly it's alright when Nintendo are doing it?

Edit: And Bayonetta will now get an amiibo but that's because of Smash Bros.

In fairness you were clearly implying people who used amiibo should be 6 years of age, but anyway that's already been dealt with.

The whole dungeon linked to the amiibo has only been vaguely leaked at this stage, we know almost nothing else about that so it's early even for you to be blaming Nintendo for something that hasn't even been announced or given detail to. It also doesn't impinge significantly on the game experience, if you buy Twilight Princess you're getting Twilight Princess. I'd certainly be criticising Nintendo if they were doing this consistently with games that were being made with the game and paid DLC separated before release but that's not the situation here.

sligeach · 15-01-2016 7:53pm

Corholio wrote: »

In fairness you were clearly implying people who used amiibo should be 6 years of age, but anyway that's already been dealt with.

Please don't say I was implying something when I wasn't.

"Maybe if I was 6 years old I'd feel differently but I don't."

Can I be any more clear that I'm talking about myself, not anybody else?

Star Lord · 15-01-2016 8:01pm

Warning: Lads, drop the subject please. Sligeach if you can't see how you were being insulting and belittling, and continue in that vein, then there will be issues.

And a reminder that arguing mod decisions/warnings on thread is not allowed. If you feel the need to argue this further, then PM me.

sligeach · 18-01-2016 6:51am

The digital version has gone up on Amazon for $50 and it has not gone down well.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01AOFMNZU/ref=as_li_tl

It makes the physical version with amiibo and soundtrack look like a bargain.

That price I suppose was to be expected.

CastorTroy · 18-01-2016 9:45am

Preordered yesterday from both Smyths and amazon. Wish I preordered from amazon before now though since they dropped in price temporarily recently. But will decide closer the time where to get it from dependent on if the price dropped and/or exchange rate

sligeach · 19-01-2016 5:17am

AONUMA BEGINS DISCUSSING TWILIGHT PRINCESS HD VIA TWITTER, MORE POSTS TO COME

“Hello, this is Aonuma. This year the world of Twilight returns in HD after 10 years. From today we’d like to introduce information on Twilight Princess for a while.

Twilight Princess is a story about the 2 worlds of ‘Light’ and ‘Darkness’. The game’s scale was getting bigger, and at the early stages of the original [GameCube version], we drew a lot of setting scenes. We also plan to publish [things like] discussions and [hidden] treasured images at times, so please look forward to them!

The introductions from now on will be brought by Malo who appears in this game. Malo, I’m leaving it to you!

…I’m Malo. I may look like this, but I’m the owner of ‘Malo Mart’, the hero of prices. …I won’t forgive you if you think I’m a child and ridicule me [because of that]…”

http://gonintendo.com/stories/250368-aonuma-begins-discussing-twilight-princess-hd-via-twitter-more-p

Star Lord · 20-01-2016 12:53pm

"First off, this new dungeon is accessible in "certain places" and sounds like more of a challenge mode. Entitled "Thorough Battle: Trial of the Beast", those who finish this gauntlet with a full Giant Wallet of 1k rupees will receive the Bottomless Wallet granting access for up to 9999 rupees.

More enticingly, you'll be able to use the Wolf Link Amiibo to recover the amount of hearts you had left over when you completed the Trial of the Beast.

Other Amiibo will also have perks in Twilight Princess HD. Link and Toon Link will fully replenish arrows, Zelda and Sheik will do the same with hearts, and the Ganondorf Amiibo grants double damage. Each of these can only be used once a day though."

Source: Eurogamer

sligeach · 20-01-2016 1:29pm

I don't like this at all. It's locking content already on the disc behind a paywall.

CiDeRmAn · 20-01-2016 2:34pm

sligeach wrote: »

I don't like this at all. It's locking content already on the disc behind a paywall.

Well, seeing as this has been your opinion of the Amiibo scene since you first commented on it, I don't think it needs repeating man.

We know you don't like the feature, move on

Machismo Fan · 20-01-2016 11:09pm

Scanning the Ganondorf amiibo makes you take twice as much damage. That's fantastic!

Deano7788 · 20-01-2016 11:16pm

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Scanning the Ganondorf amiibo makes you take twice as much damage. That's fantastic!

Is it not that your attacks do twice as much damage? Or did I read it wrong?

sligeach · 21-01-2016 3:32am

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Well, seeing as this has been your opinion of the Amiibo scene since you first commented on it, I don't think it needs repeating man.

We know you don't like the feature, move on

Disappointed by that comment. Nothing wrong with what I wrote. I must never say anything about amiibo in a new game? This affects 2 games with no alternative, never mind paying for the likes of arrows(a line of code). My comment is fair game, without being offensive, which it does deserve.