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Bus Eireann routes 109/109A Changes

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Have you ever just about caught a bus before it departs?

    If so, and you were delayed earlier, through no fault of your own, for whatever reason, perhaps by being delayed by road works, on a Luas or Dublin Bus heading towards Bus Aras, or on a Dublin Bus that terminates at Eden Quay, and you then had to run down to Bus Aras with three or four minutes to spare, would you appreciate it if the people who were already on the bus, resented the fact that you got on the bus, criticising you for delaying them?

    Or would your reaction be more along the lines of relief that you caught the bus and didn't have to wait 30 minutes for the next service?

    Your fellow commuters, I'm sure, did not intend to go through the stress of being delayed coming from wherever they were coming from, and then getting down to the station with such little time to spare, to be able to just about get the bus before it departs.

    I'm sorry but that's a nonsense.

    If we take that line of thinking every bus and train in the land should wait for late passengers and no one would get anywhere.

    Once the bus door closes that should be it.

    The timetable is there for a reason and I'm afraid if you're late, even if it's not your own fault, that should be the end of it.

    And yes I have just missed buses and trains myself, but I've had to swallow my pride and accept it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    Yes I would agree with the passengers on the bus. Once the door closes that should be it. Why should I be delayed further when I've made sure I was there on time?

    Every minute counts getting out of Bus Aras. The other day I got the 15.30 and some clown was late and the driver let them on. We didn't leave until 15.33 because they had to buy a ticket on the bus and of course they couldn't find their money.
    lxflyer wrote: »
    I'm sorry but that's a nonsense.

    If we take that line of thinking every bus and train in the land should wait for late passengers and no one would get anywhere.

    Once the bus door closes that should be it.

    The timetable is there for a reason and I'm afraid if you're late, even if it's not your own fault, that should be the end of it.

    And yes I have just missed buses and trains myself, but I've had to swallow my pride and accept it.

    The person to whom I responded, said that the door at the gate was open, as the bus was departing, and said that the doors of the gate should be closed.

    Was this bus already in motion and then stopped to let more people on?

    Perhaps the people who just about caught the bus, did so just before it was scheduled to leave, just before the bus started moving, in which case they would technically be still in time.

    I have been caught before, where I got down to Bus Aras to gate 7 and the door on the bus just closed and it started leaving, and I was not allowed on, and had to wait for the next bus.

    It was explained to me by an inspector, that it is a health and safety rule.

    I was responding to a description of a situation where the door on the gate was open and more passengers got on, while other passengers who were in Bus Aras already, were on the bus.

    Had the bus started moving before the other passengers got on?

    It is very possible that the passengers who had got on the bus, did so, just before it was scheduled to leave.

    Otherwise, why would the driver be still waiting at the gate, departure point, at Bus Aras, after the time the bus was scheduled to leave?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The person to whom I responded, said that the door at the gate was open, as the bus was departing, and said that the doors of the gate should be closed.

    Was this bus already in motion and then stopped to let more people on?

    Perhaps the people who just about caught the bus, did so just before it was scheduled to leave, in which case they would be technically be still in time.

    I have been caught before, where I got down to Bus Aras to gate 7 and the door on the bus just closed and it then started leaving, and I was not allowed on, and had to wait for the next bus.

    It was explained to me by an inspector, that it is a health and safety rule.

    I was responding to a description of a situation where the door on the gate was still open and more passengers got on, while other passengers who were in Bus Aras already, were on the bus.

    Had the bus started moving before other passengers got on?

    It is very possible that the passengers who had got on the bus, did so, just before it was scheduled to leave.

    Otherwise, why would the driver be still waiting at the gate, departure point, at Bus Aras, after the time the bus was scheduled to leave?

    The poster was clearly referring to the doors at the gate - not the doors of the bus.

    And they are quite right in their suggestion.

    The door at the gate should be closed in the same way as platform gates are in major railway stations to allow for an on time departure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    lxflyer wrote: »
    The poster was clearly referring to the doors at the gate - not the doors of the bus.

    And they are quite right in their suggestion.

    The door at the gate should be closed in the same way as platform gates are in major railway stations to allow for an on time departure.

    Was the bus moving before the other passengers got on the bus?

    Perhaps they got on the bus just before it started moving?

    Perhaps they got to the bus, just before it was scheduled to leave?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I have edited my post already.

    Was the bus moving before the other passengers got on the bus.

    Perhaps they got on the bus just before it started moving?

    Perhaps they got to the bus, just before it was scheduled to leave?

    Oh please stop with all these permutations about that particular instance. You are missing the point.

    He is making a general point that the doors should be shut at such time to allow the bus depart on time.

    That should be the practice.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    lxflyer wrote: »
    Oh please stop with all these permutations about that particular instance. You are missing the point.

    He is making a general point that the doors should be shut at such time to allow the bus depart on time.

    That should be the practice.

    No, I am not missing the point. it is a valid question to ask.

    If the passengers who got on the bus in question, later that other passengers, did so just before it started moving and just before it was scheduled to leave, are they not technically still in time for that bus?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    No, I am not missing the point. it is a valid question to ask.

    If the passengers who got on the bus in question, later that other passengers, did so just before it started moving and just before it was scheduled to leave, are they not technically still in time for that bus?

    For the love of God, stop focussing on that sort of detail.

    He is talking about in general.

    Can you not see the bigger picture rather than focussing on minutiae.

    He is making the general point that the doors at the gate should be closed in time to allow the bus depart on time.

    All the extra questions you are asking are irrelevant to that point.

    If they did operate said policy and the people were already outside the door that's a completely different point - of course they should be let on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    lxflyer wrote: »
    For the love of God, stop focussing on that sort of detail.

    He is talking about in general.

    Can you not see the bigger picture rather than focussing on minutiae.

    He is making the general point that the doors at the gate should be closed in time to allow the bus depart on time.

    All the extra questions you are asking are irrelevant to that point.

    If they did operate said policy and the people were already outside the door that's a completely different point - of course they should be let on.

    The points I have made are not irrelevant to the point.

    If someone makes a general point about an issue like this, you can't tell me, that the possibilities I have outlined, don't apply.

    It is very possible that passengers who just about manage to get buses before they depart the gate areas of Bus Aras at the scheduled time, are still technically on time for buses.

    If they are not at the gate before the time the bus is scheduled to leave, they will miss the bus.

    Just because passengers waiting earlier at the station get on the bus earlier than other passengers, does not mean that the passengers who get on later, are actually late, if they get to the bus before the time it is scheduled to leave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The points I have made are not irrelevant to the point.

    If someone makes a general point about an issue like this, you can't tell me, that the possibilities I have outlined, don't apply.

    It is very possible that passengers who just about manage to get buses before they depart the gate areas of Bus Aras at the scheduled time, are still technically on time for buses.

    If they are not at the gate before the time the bus is scheduled to leave, they will miss the bus.

    Just because passengers waiting earlier at the station get on the bus earlier than other passengers, does not mean that the passengers who get on later, are actually late, if they get to the bus before the time it is scheduled to leave.

    Ok I'm going to make it very simple for you.

    Forget about moving buses etc.

    Say BE were to implement a rule of closing gates 2minutes before departure time at Busaras, which is the gist of what is being suggested here.

    Then anyone who has passed through the gate and is on the "bus" side of the gate can board, but anyone showing up at the gate after it closes cannot.

    And yes I know that the bus conceivably could still be delayed, but the likelihood of that happening would be significantly reduced.

    We can all come up with a list of exceptions like you are - the point is trying to improve the process to try toavoid unnecessary delays.

    And before you suggest it - I'm not suggesting that if there is a queue already formed that they stop those people in it from boarding, just that once they have passed through the gate that it be shut to stop stragglers holding the bus up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,033 ✭✭✭Slippin Jimmy


    lxflyer wrote: »
    Ok I'm going to make it very simple for you.

    I think you are wasting your time with this one :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    lxflyer wrote: »
    Ok I'm going to make it very simple for you.

    Forget about moving buses etc.

    Say BE were to implement a rule of closing gates 2minutes before departure time at Busaras, which is the gist of what is being suggested here.

    Then anyone who has passed through the gate and is on the "bus" side of the gate can board, but anyone showing up at the gate after it closes cannot.

    And yes I know that the bus conceivably could still be delayed, but the likelihood of that happening would be significantly reduced.

    We can all come up with a list of exceptions like you are - the point is trying to improve the process to try toavoid unnecessary delays.

    And before you suggest it - I'm not suggesting that if there is a queue already formed that they stop those people in it from boarding, just that once they have passed through the gate that it be shut to stop stragglers holding the bus up.

    You still can't say that the points I made are not valid.

    The person who brought up this issue said that passengers were getting on the bus as it was about to depart.

    The person who brought up this issue did not say that passengers got on the bus after it had departed, and caused the bus to stop, to let them on.

    If someone gets to the bus later than others because they are delayed, through no fault of their own, well then the people that resent, moan and whinge when that person gets the bus, should expect the same resentfulness on the occasion when they are delayed getting down to the bus station, and end up being accused of delaying the bus on everyone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    You still can't say that the points I made are not valid.

    The person who brought up this issue said that passengers were getting on the bus as it was about to depart.

    The person who brought up this issue did not say that passengers got on the bus after it had departed, and caused the bus to stop, to let them on.

    If someone gets to the bus later than others because they are delayed, through no fault of their own, well then the people that resent, moan and whinge when that person gets the bus, should expect the same resentfulness on the occasion when they are delayed getting down to the bus station, and end up being accused of delaying the bus on everyone else.

    Actually what they said was this:
    tom23 wrote: »
    Little things like closing the door st bus aras as the bus departs wound be helpful to stop late commuters trying to get on, ya get delayed by even 1 minute leaving bus aras you could be in trouble.

    They never mentioned a specific instance or event.

    They clearly are making a general comment, referring to the bus being delayed by people arriving at the last minute, running through the gate and boarding the bus, and are suggesting that (like at major railway stations or airports) that there be a cut off point say a minute before the official departure time, after which the gate door is shut and no one else gets through after that.

    If people were to show up after that point and be denied boarding, in my eyes that's just tough. What caused them to be late is irrelevant. That would apply to anyone, including myself!

    I don't think that anyone is suggesting anything different, so I'm not sure why you're going on and on about it. Resentment doesn't come into it. Just a desire that the bus departs on time.

    I'll put it to you like this - If I turned up at the departure gate in Dublin Airport 15 seconds after they closed it, I'd be frustrated, but I'd accept it. If I was sitting on the aircraft and the ground staff kept the gate open for the last passengers beyond the normal deadline, thereby causing the flight to miss its departure slot I would be annoyed and I think I'd be right to be.

    It's called tough luck if you show up late.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    lxflyer wrote: »
    Actually what they said was this:



    They never mentioned a specific instance or event.

    They clearly are making a general comment, referring to the bus being delayed by people arriving at the last minute, running through the gate and boarding the bus, and are suggesting that (like at major railway stations or airports) that there be a cut off point say a minute before the official departure time, after which the gate door is shut and no one else gets through after that.

    If people were to show up after that point and be denied boarding, in my eyes that's just tough. What caused them to be late is irrelevant. That would apply to anyone, including myself!

    I don't think that anyone is suggesting anything different, so I'm not sure why you're going on and on about it. Resentment doesn't come into it. Just a desire that the bus departs on time.

    I'll put it to you like this - If I turned up at the departure gate in Dublin Airport 15 seconds after they closed it, I'd be frustrated, but I'd accept it. If I was sitting on the aircraft and the ground staff kept the gate open for the last passengers beyond the normal deadline, thereby causing the flight to miss its departure slot I would be annoyed and I think I'd be right to be.

    It's called tough luck if you show up late.

    People arriving at the last minute was not mentioned by the person who raised this issue.

    What was mentioned was "late commuters trying to get on".

    What I was suggesting was that it is very possible that the passengers had arrived at the last minute, a minute before the scheduled departure time.

    I was suggesting that this may be the case in many instances, in that rather than passengers being late, they caught the bus before it was scheduled to leave.

    If they were late, they would have missed the bus.

    I am well aware that a specific incident or event was not mentioned. How then, can you be certain, that in every case that a person gets the bus just before it departs, that they are actually late, getting on the bus after the scheduled departure time?

    It is for that reason that I suggested that it is very possible that many of the passengers who have managed to catch the buses, may not have been late for the buses, since the buses had not yet departed.

    You stated "If we take that line of thinking every bus and train in the land should wait for late passengers and no one would get anywhere"

    Why are you assuming that everyone who gets on the buses just before departure, are actually late?.

    Resentment does come into it, if passengers, who manage to get the bus just before it departs, are being blamed for the bus being further delayed, even though it may take them just a few seconds to get on the bus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    People arriving at the last minute was not mentioned by the person who raised this issue.

    What was mentioned was "late commuters trying to get on".

    What I was suggesting was that it is very possible that the passengers had arrived at the last minute, a minute before the scheduled departure time.

    I was suggesting that this may be the case in many instances, in that rather than passengers being late, they caught the bus before it was scheduled to leave.

    If they were late, they would have missed the bus.

    I am well aware that a specific incident or event was not mentioned. How then, can you be certain, that in every case that a person gets the bus just before it departs, that they are actually late, getting on the bus after the scheduled departure time?

    It is for that reason that I suggested that it is very possible that many of the passengers who have managed to catch the buses, may not have been late for the buses, since the buses had not yet departed.

    You stated "If we take that line of thinking every bus and train in the land should wait for late passengers and no one would get anywhere"

    Why are you assuming that everyone who gets on the buses just before departure, are actually late?.

    Resentment does come into it, if passengers, who manage to get the bus just before it departs, are being blamed for the bus being further delayed, even though it may take them just a few seconds to get on the bus.

    Man you seriously over complicate this.

    Clearly you don't fly anywhere from an airport very often.

    I give up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    Generally in Busaras when the driver sticks the bus into reverse that is it The doors won't open for anyone. but some drivers would go around the building again if they thought they were leaving someone behind, I have no issue with this on the last bus of the night but once the bus door closes for all other services there should be no exceptions.

    I think many issues like this for bus companies would be resolved if all drivers/inspectors etc were singing from the same hymn sheet because I have been on a few buses that were delayed leaving busaras because passengers who had been there waiting for 20 minutes only approach a driver or inspector at the last second to check some issue with their ticket. The inspector then has to sort that out which can take a few minutes and then the luggage doors open and close and passenger boards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    lxflyer wrote: »
    Man you seriously over complicate this.

    Clearly you don't fly anywhere from an airport very often.

    I give up.

    No I am not over complicating this.

    The rules of airport boarding has nothing to do with the issue being discussed.

    I will make the point again, you can't tell me, that passengers are actually technically late, in every case where they catch the bus at the gate at Bus Aras just before it departs.

    Just because someone who is already at the bus station before the bus arrives at the gate who then gets on the bus, does not mean that anyone who gets to the bus shortly afterwards, just before it departs, is actually late, if the person boards the bus before the time it is scheduled to leave.

    If the passenger was actually late, the bus would have already left the gate parking area.

    If someone makes a general point, they can't generalise and say that every passenger who gets on a bus just before it leaves, is actually late.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    No I am not over complicating this.

    The rules of airport boarding has nothing to do with the issue being discussed.

    I will make the point again, you can't tell me, that passengers are actually technically late, in every case where they catch the bus at the gate at Bus Aras just before it departs.

    Just because someone who is already at the bus station before the bus arrives at the gate who then gets on the bus, does not mean that anyone who gets to the bus shortly afterwards, just before it departs, is actually late, if the person boards the bus before the time it is scheduled to leave.

    If the passenger was actually late, the bus would have already left the gate parking area.

    If someone makes a general point, they can't generalise and say that every passenger who gets on a bus just before it leaves, is actually late.

    Man - give over - these posts are just rambling on and on - I've no intention of continuing this discussion.

    At this point the ignore button is becoming very tempting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    lxflyer wrote: »
    Man - give over - these posts are just rambling on and on - I've no intention of continuing this discussion.

    At this point the ignore button is becoming very tempting.

    That's very mature of you!

    I may well be repeating myself, but you cannot argue against what I am suggesting, which may well be the case in instances where people just about manage to catch buses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    Generally in Busaras when the driver sticks the bus into reverse that is it The doors won't open for anyone. but some drivers would go around the building again if they thought they were leaving someone behind, I have no issue with this on the last bus of the night but once the bus door closes for all other services there should be no exceptions.

    I think many issues like this for bus companies would be resolved if all drivers/inspectors etc were singing from the same hymn sheet because I have been on a few buses that were delayed leaving busaras because passengers who had been there waiting for 20 minutes only approach a driver or inspector at the last second to check some issue with their ticket. The inspector then has to sort that out which can take a few minutes and then the luggage doors open and close and passenger boards.

    I know that. That's what happened to me and I was not complaining about that.

    The point I am making is that considering that is the practice, if people manage to board buses before they depart, it stands to reason that the bus has not started moving yet, in which case they are perfectly entitled to board the bus, and not be made feel that they are inconveniencing other passengers who consider them to be mere "stragglers", just because they got on the bus after the people who were already waiting for the bus before it had arrived at the parking area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    That's very mature of you!

    I may well be repeating myself, but you cannot argue against what I am suggesting, which may well be the case in instances where people just about manage to catch buses.

    Indeed but you keep on missing the point that I was making and rambling on and on and on.

    My point is that if there was a rule that the gate door at Busaras closes 1 or 2 minutes before the scheduled departure time of the bus (which is what Tom23 was implying) then all of this palaver becomes irrelevant.

    Anyone who arrived at the gate after that point misses the bus.

    End of story.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    lxflyer wrote: »
    Indeed but you keep on missing the point that I was making and rambling on and on and on.

    My point is that if there was a rule that the gate door at Busaras closes 1 or 2 minutes before the scheduled departure time of the bus (which is what Tom23 was implying) then all of this palaver becomes irrelevant.

    Anyone who arrived at the gate after that point misses the bus.

    End of story.

    No I am not missing the point.

    The point really is, that the people Tom23 said were late, may well not have been late at all, if they got on the bus, before it started reversing from the gate area.

    As foggy_lad stated above, the practice is that passengers are not allowed on the bus after the bus has started moving.

    The bus starts moving at the time it is scheduled to depart.

    "End of story".


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭tom23


    Was the bus moving before the other passengers got on the bus?

    Perhaps they got on the bus just before it started moving?

    Perhaps they got to the bus, just before it was scheduled to leave?

    No to all. I am referring to the door in the building. I have a watch and I know how to read it. Bus should depart on time, because lets face it, bus are is not the easiest place to get out of.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭tom23


    No I am not missing the point.

    The point really is, that the people Tom23 said were late, may well not have been late at all, if they got on the bus, before it started reversing from the gate area.

    As foggy_lad stated above, the practice is that passengers are not allowed on the bus after the bus has started moving.

    The bus starts moving at the time it is scheduled to depart.

    "End of story".

    You are missing the point, people boarded the bus after the bus was meant to depart, they boarded the bus because the door to the bay was not closed. It usually is or should be. And I don't give a rats arse about people getting delayed, suck it up like the rest of us when it happens.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    I know that. That's what happened to me and I was not complaining about that.

    The point I am making is that considering that is the practice, if people manage to board buses before they depart, it stands to reason that the bus has not started moving yet, in which case they are perfectly entitled to board the bus, and not be made feel that they are inconveniencing other passengers who consider them to be mere "stragglers", just because they got on the bus after the people who were already waiting for the bus before it had arrived at the parking area.
    Many people are arriving to Busaras at the very last minute and for them they are LATE because by the time they stow their luggage then board the bus and pay the driver they have delayed the departure of the bus regardless of whether the bus door was open or closed or even if the bus had started to reverse out of the bay in Busaras.
    No I am not missing the point.

    The point really is, that the people Tom23 said were late, may well not have been late at all, if they got on the bus, before it started reversing from the gate area.

    As foggy_lad stated above, the practice is that passengers are not allowed on the bus after the bus has started moving.

    The bus starts moving at the time it is scheduled to depart.

    "End of story".
    Generally they are not allowed on after the bus door has been closed by the driver and nobody paying cash should ever be allowed board any bus in Busaras.

    The only way to sort this is to install automatic doors to the bus loading areas in Busaras but there are still going to be people who will break those by getting caught in them or by forcing them open when they are clearly late for their bus!

    Leave for the bus a minute or three earlier and all will be well!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    tom23 wrote: »
    You are missing the point, people boarded the bus after the bus was meant to depart, they boarded the bus because the door to the bay was not closed. It usually is or should be. And I don't give a rats arse about people getting delayed, suck it up like the rest of us when it happens.

    The bay doors are rarely operated to coincide with departure times, generally they are opened by drivers when a bus starts loading and it is then left to whoever is hanging around busaras to close the doors but this rarely happens at the scheduled departure time of the buses. usually the doors are closed long after a bus departs and usually when some staff member feels a gale blowing through it.

    This also causes a nightmare for security as it leaves the bus bays and opened luggage bays open season for the various people hanging around busaras looking for any opportunity to steal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭gazzer


    Apologies if this has been answered already but is the 109 from Cavan going through the Blanchardstown Shopping Centre or are they stopping that for December? I seem to remember they stopped going into the Centre for a few weeks in the lead up to Xmas last December.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    gazzer wrote: »
    Apologies if this has been answered already but is the 109 from Cavan going through the Blanchardstown Shopping Centre or are they stopping that for December? I seem to remember they stopped going into the Centre for a few weeks in the lead up to Xmas last December.

    From the BE Website:
    Routes 105 and 109 will not operate via Blanchardstown Shopping Centre during the Christmas Period

    Bus Éireann wishes to notify customers that from Monday, 30 November 2015 to Sunday, 3 January 2016 inclusive, services on Bus Éireann route 109 Dublin – Dunshaughlin – Navan – Kells – Virginia – Cavan and Route 105 Ratoath – Dublin will not serve the stops within Blanchardstown Shopping Centre.

    Services from Dublin will continue to pick up passengers at our existing stop on the Blanchardstown S.C Slip Road Westbound.

    Services to Dublin will continue to drop off passengers at our existing stop on the Blanchardstown S.C Slip Road Eastbound.

    This arrangement is to eliminate any potential for delays due to traffic congestion during the busy Christmas shopping period.

    Bus Éireann regrets any inconvenience this alteration may cause our customers.

    Tuesday, 24th November, 2015


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    Many people are arriving to Busaras at the very last minute and for them they are LATE because by the time they stow their luggage then board the bus and pay the driver they have delayed the departure of the bus regardless of whether the bus door was open or closed or even if the bus had started to reverse out of the bay in Busaras.

    Generally they are not allowed on after the bus door has been closed by the driver
    and nobody paying cash should ever be allowed board any bus in Busaras.

    The only way to sort this is to install automatic doors to the bus loading areas in Busaras but there are still going to be people who will break those by getting caught in them or by forcing them open when they are clearly late for their bus!

    Leave for the bus a minute or three earlier and all will be well!
    tom23 wrote: »
    No to all. I am referring to the door in the building. I have a watch and I know how to read it. Bus should depart on time, because lets face it, bus are is not the easiest place to get out of.

    I asked if the bus was moving, before the passengers that Tom23 said were late, got on the bus.

    The first question I asked was "Was the bus moving before the other passengers got on the bus?"

    I also asked "Perhaps they got on the bus just before it started moving?"

    The response I got was "no to all", to the questions I raised.

    There were two opposing questions of the three that I asked and Tom23 replied "No to all".

    So, was the bus was moving before the passengers got on the bus?

    If the bus moves at the time it is scheduled to leave and the passengers got on the bus before it started moving, that suggests that the bus had not yet departed, in which case the passengers boarded the bus before it was scheduled to depart, in which case they were still on time for the bus.

    Tom23 did not answer my earlier question, on page 70, as to whether or not he has just about caught a bus in time, before it departs, like the passengers, about which he is complaining.

    If so, was the bus was moving before he got on the bus?

    Did he cause it to stop, to let him on?

    If either of you were one of those passengers, who got on the bus just before it departs, and you got to the bus before it left, and the driver let you on - even if it was late leaving - would you then get on the bus?

    Or would you say to yourself, it is one minute after scheduled departure time, I won't delay the bus, I'll wait 30 minutes for the next bus and complain that - rather than going out the Port Tunnel - it goes through Phibsborough, Blanchardstown, Clonee and Dunshaughlin?

    I just do not believe, that anyone who uses buses so regularly, who are complaining about other passengers being late for buses, were never ever late for buses themselves. I don't believe that they would not then get on a bus that had not yet departed, if the driver permitted them on the bus - despite them being late for that bus - even if the bus was still at the gate parking area after the time it was scheduled to leave.

    I do not believe, that if bus users find themselves in a situation of being late themselves - despite giving out about other passengers being late - that they would not, on a point of principle, accept being let on those buses for which they are late, when the driver lets them on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭tom23


    I asked if the bus was moving, before the passengers that Tom23 said were late, got on the bus.

    The first question I asked was "Was the bus moving before the other passengers got on the bus?"

    I also asked "Perhaps they got on the bus just before it started moving?"

    The response I got was "no to all", to the questions I raised.

    There were two opposing questions of the three that I asked and Tom23 replied "No to all".

    So, was the bus was moving before the passengers got on the bus?

    If the bus moves at the time it is scheduled to leave and the passengers got on the bus before it started moving, that suggests that the bus had not yet departed, in which case the passengers boarded the bus before it was scheduled to depart, in which case they were still on time for the bus.

    Tom23 did not answer my earlier question, on page 70, as to whether or not he has just about caught a bus in time, before it departs, like the passengers, about which he is complaining.

    If so, was the bus was moving before he got on the bus?

    Did he cause it to stop, to let him on?

    If either of you were one of those passengers, who got on the bus just before it departs, and you got to the bus before it left, and the driver let you on - even if it was late leaving - would you then get on the bus?

    Or would you say to yourself, it is one minute after scheduled departure time, I won't delay the bus, I'll wait 30 minutes for the next bus and complain that - rather than going out the Port Tunnel - it goes through Phibsborough, Blanchardstown, Clonee and Dunshaughlin?

    I just do not believe, that anyone who uses buses so regularly, who are complaining about other passengers being late for buses, were never ever late for buses themselves. I don't believe that they would not then get on a bus that had not yet departed, if the driver permitted them on the bus - despite them being late for that bus - even if the bus was still at the gate parking area after the time it was scheduled to leave.

    I do not believe, that if bus users find themselves in a situation of being late themselves - despite giving out about other passengers being late - that they would not, on a point of principle, accept being let on those buses for which they are late, when the driver lets them on.

    I actually forgot why I don't tune into this thread as much anymore.

    I very much believe in the fact that if I queue on time I expect the bus to at least depart on time. So that I don't have to spend any more than the 75-90 minute average journey to navan. There is a reason why buses depart every 15 minutes during PEAK times.

    I find it irritating that people think its ok to rush up to a bus as its trying to depart and said bus is trying to avoid 4-5 other buses that are also trying to depart and the driver feels obligated to open the door and let them on. And said person fumbles here there and everywhere for money, leapcard or plain old crumpled up ticket. But hey no more tut tuting from me, just in case you are sitting beside me and decide to sing we are the world.

    And no to your question on page 70, like the ads say... once they are gone, they are gone.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    tom23 wrote: »
    I actually forgot why I don't tune into this thread as much anymore.

    I very much believe in the fact that if I queue on time I expect the bus to at least depart on time. So that I don't have to spend any more than the 75-90 minute average journey to navan. There is a reason why buses depart every 15 minutes during PEAK times.

    I find it irritating that people think its ok to rush up to a bus as its trying to depart and said bus is trying to avoid 4-5 other buses that are also trying to depart and the driver feels obligated to open the door and let them on. And said person fumbles here there and everywhere for money, leapcard or plain old crumpled up ticket. But hey no more tut tuting from me, just in case you are sitting beside me and decide to sing we are the world.

    And no to your question on page 70, like the ads say... once they are gone, they are gone.

    You haven't answered the question in the post that you quoted.

    I do not believe you, if you are trying to suggest that you would not get on the express service that goes out the port tunnel, if you just managed to get to Bus Aras as it was departing, if the driver was letting you on, if it was still at the gate area after the scheduled time of departure.

    I do not believe you if you are trying to suggest you wouldn't accept being let board that express bus, despite it being late leaving Bus Aras, considering your alternatives were; the next available bus that leaves at the same time, then buses 15 minutes and 30 minutes later, all of which mean having to go through Phibsborough, Blanchardstown, Clonee and Dunshaughlin, or having to wait another hour for the next express service to Navan.

    Given how much you complain about these services covering all the other towns, I find it very hard to believe that you would not accept being let on the express service, in a situation where it was late leaving the gate area and your alternative options for the next hour meant taking buses through Phibsborough, Blanchardstown, Clonee and Dunshaughlin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭gazzer


    lxflyer wrote: »
    From the BE Website:


    Briliant. Thanks very much.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭tom23


    You haven't answered the question in the post that you quoted.

    I do not believe you, if you are trying to suggest that you would not get on the express service that goes out the port tunnel, if you just managed to get to Bus Aras as it was departing, if the driver was letting you on, if it was still at the gate area after the scheduled time of departure.

    I do not believe you if you are trying to suggest you wouldn't accept being let board that express bus, despite it being late leaving Bus Aras, considering your alternatives were; the next available bus that leaves at the same time, then buses 15 minutes and 30 minutes later, all of which mean having to go through Phibsborough, Blanchardstown, Clonee and Dunshaughlin, or having to wait another hour for the next express service to Navan.

    Given how much you complain about these services covering all the other towns, I find it very hard to believe that you would not accept being let on the express service, in a situation where it was late leaving the gate area and your alternative options for the next hour meant taking buses through Phibsborough, Blanchardstown, Clonee and Dunshaughlin.

    Couldn't give a rats arse if you believe me or not. If I complain I have every right to considering the money and time spent. So do me a favour and put my posts on ignore and we'll both save ourselves the hassle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    tom23 wrote: »
    Couldn't give a rats arse if you believe me or not. If I complain I have every right to considering the money and time spent. So do me a favour and put my posts on ignore and we'll both save ourselves the hassle.

    Once again, you have quoted my post and not answered the question I put to you.

    As you well know, I never said you had no right to complain, if the bus does not leave at the scheduled departure time.

    As you well know, I asked you if you would board the bus, if you just managed to get to the gate parking area before it departed, if it was still at the gate beyond the time it is scheduled to depart, and the driver was allowing you on the bus?

    Or would you, on a point of principle, take the other services at that time that go through Phibsborough, Blanchardstown, Clonee and Dunshaughlin, or wait an hour for the next express service?

    You have no right to criticise other bus users, who manage to get buses just in time, for taking these buses once the driver permits them on board, when it is clear that you would do the exact same as them, if you were in their situation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭tom23


    Once again, you have quoted my post and not answered the question I put to you.

    As you well know, I never said you had no right to complain, if the bus does not leave at the scheduled departure time.

    As you well know, I asked you if you would board the bus, if you just managed to get to the gate parking area before it departed, if it was still at the gate beyond the time it is scheduled to depart, and the driver was allowing you on the bus?

    Or would you, on a point of principle, take the other services at that time that go through Phibsborough, Blanchardstown, Clonee and Dunshaughlin, or wait an hour for the next express service?

    You have no right to criticise other bus users, who manage to get buses just in time, for taking these buses once the driver permits them on board, when it is clear that you would do the exact same as them, if you were in their situation.

    Just press the ignore button there horse burger. Its easy. And BTW spare me the self righteous bleeding heart boxology of what rights I do and don't have. Getting to a gate to a bus that is still parked in its bay with doors open regardless if there is seconds left on the departure clock is irrelevant and a pedantic labouring of a point on your part. Getting to a bay when a bus is trying to depart, banging on a door or running out on to a courtyard trying to flag a bus down when its trying to depart is the goddam point I am trying to convey. I have seen doors been closed by the station inspectors and I have seen an exchange of words between drivers and inspectors about doors been not closed when passengers trying to board a bus... wait for it... nearly there, when its trying to DEPART at its schedule time.

    And NO I would not try to board a bus when the door is closed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    tom23 wrote: »
    Just press the ignore button there horse burger. Its easy. And BTW spare me the self righteous bleeding heart boxology of what rights I do and don't have. Getting to a gate to a bus that is still parked in its bay with doors open regardless if there is seconds left on the departure clock is irrelevant and a pedantic labouring of a point on your part. Getting to a bay when a bus is trying to depart, banging on a door or running out on to a courtyard trying to flag a bus down when its trying to depart is the goddam point I am trying to convey. I have seen doors been closed by the station inspectors and I have seen an exchange of words between drivers and inspectors about doors been not closed when passengers trying to board a bus... wait for it... nearly there, when its trying to DEPART at its schedule time.

    And NO I would not try to board a bus when the door is closed.

    Once again, you have not answered what I asked you, which was, if the driver permitted you on board, and the express bus was still at the gate parking area, beyond the scheduled departure, would you accept, if your alternative for not taking the express bus, meant taking the buses that go through the other towns, about which you complain endlessly, or waiting another hour for the next express service?

    I ask this in relation to you criticising other passengers you said were late, even though they get the bus before it has left the gate parking area.

    I asked you this in relation to your complaint that they are holding up the bus from leaving at the scheduled time.

    What has boxology got to do with the issue being discussed?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭tom23


    Anyone have any further news on the proposed changes to the 109? we badly need these extra expresses. Gone past the 90 minute mark now and not even at Tara yet, I appreciate the time of year but phibs to blanch is a major problem. Any informed contributors like lxflyer have any inside info?


  • Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭crank_1975


    Anyone know the name of the company that runs the extra 6AM express from Cavan? Left something on the bus this morning :mad:


  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭cleopatra11


    crank_1975 wrote: »
    Anyone know the name of the company that runs the extra 6AM express from Cavan? Left something on the bus this morning :mad:

    Why not ring Bus Eireann. They will tell you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,033 ✭✭✭Slippin Jimmy


    Does anyone know what type of service is operating next week? I'm working right up to the 23rd and need to be in Dublin at a reasonable time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Christmas arrangements are here:

    http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=1925&month=Dec

    Normal service until December 23rd.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭Commuter109


    No show by the 7.05 again this morning by the looks of it. Jokeshop


  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭malene


    so st stephens day looks like this.

    Dublin/Kells 1000 1200 1300 1500 1700 1800 (Table 109)
    Kells/Dublin 1000 1100 1200 1500 1600 1700


  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭malene


    and the 109N will run on sunday night , not saturday , I'm guessing its as per usual, 00:30 and 03.30


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    malene wrote: »
    and the 109N will run on sunday night , not saturday , I'm guessing its as per usual, 00:30 and 03.30

    Perhaps ring Bus Éireann to confirm if there will be a 109N on Sunday night 27th December / Monday morning 28th December, just in case, because usually on Bank Holiday weekends, they just run the normal Sunday timetable on the Sunday and Monday. Another example is if St Patrick's Day is on a Sunday, they still just run the Sunday timetable that night and don't put on any 109N Nightrider services.

    I'm just wondering, when it says the 109N is running on Sunday 27th December, at 12.30am and 3.30am, are they referring to Sunday night 27th December / Monday morning 28th December, or are they referring to Saturday night 26th December / Sunday morning 27th December?

    The travel arrangements state that all nightrider services are cancelled on St Stephen's Day. Is it referring to Friday night 25th December / Saturday morning 26th December, or Saturday night 26th December /Sunday morning 27th December?

    (For example it states that on Sunday 27th December, the 1am, 3am and 5am services to and from Dublin and Belfast are cancelled. Unless I am wrong, I read that to mean Saturday night 26th December / Sunday morning 27th December, rather than Sunday night 27th December / Monday morning 28th December.)

    The Christmas travel arrangements also state that on Monday 28th December, the normal Sunday timetable will be operated. Usually on bank holiday weekends, they don't put on any nightrider services on the Sunday night, and on the bank holiday Monday, they operate the Sunday timetable.

    http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=1925&month=Dec#Monday,_28_December_2015_


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    Well there are no services on Christmas day including the NightRider services on the morning of the 26th as these are considered to be for Christmas day, just as the NightRider buses on the morning of the 27th are Stephens day services!

    Therefore when they say NightRider services cancelled for Stephens day they mean the morning of the 27th!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    Well there are no services on Christmas day including the NightRider services on the morning of the 26th as these are considered to be for Christmas day, just as the NightRider buses on the morning of the 27th are Stephens day services!

    Therefore when they say NightRider services cancelled for Stephens day they mean the morning of the 27th!

    I contacted Bus Éireann to confirm, and I was informed that the 109N is running on Saturday night 26th December / Sunday morning 27th December at 12.30am and 3.30am.

    I was told the 109N is not running on Sunday night 27th December / Monday morning 28th December.

    This is what I thought would be the case, that when Bus Éireann said it is running the 109N on Sunday 27th December, that it is referring to Sunday morning 27th December at 12.30am and 3.30am, and not Sunday night / Monday morning.


  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭malene


    they should do it on the sunday nights as well on all major bank holidays, the 109N


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    malene wrote: »
    they should do it on the sunday nights as well on all major bank holidays, the 109N

    Perhaps ring them to double check, but I was told that the arrangements for 27th December are reffering to the 109N operating on Saturday night / Sunday morning and not Sunday night.


  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭malene


    new years eve/ day. just double checking, I can celebrate new years eve in dublin tomorrow night and then get the 109N link on friday morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,702 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Just wondering, on the 109a the timetable shows 30 minutes between Ashbourne and Dublin airport. I think the distance is about 15km. Why does it take so long, is there a stop every kilometre or something?


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