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Breakfast with Ray (Foley) and Jay [Cork's Red FM, 6am-9am]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,172 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Is he really doing that bad in the listening figures?

    Yes. He lost a significant amount in the last book alone from memory.

    His TodayFM audience was outside Dublin, a large number of the fans on this thread are outside Dublin and rely on podcasts etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭IUA14


    Yeah can't stand the Strawberry either, same stuff as ten years ago. I'd agree with that point...all the breakfast shows do the same thing and thats why part of me is always disappointed that the lads didn't try and be a bit different than the rest. Don't get me wrong, I think they are better than the rest, but a different type of show that doesn't do gossip, kids bits, too many competitions could do well.

    Thoroughly enjoyed a bit of lazy radio this morning though and the slagging of Keith Barry yesterday was brilliant!


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 25,092 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Think of a mooovie. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭bbability


    IUA14 wrote: »
    Yeah can't stand the Strawberry either, same stuff as ten years ago. I'd agree with that point...all the breakfast shows do the same thing and thats why part of me is always disappointed that the lads didn't try and be a bit different than the rest. Don't get me wrong, I think they are better than the rest, but a different type of show that doesn't do gossip, kids bits, too many competitions could do well.

    Thoroughly enjoyed a bit of lazy radio this morning though and the slagging of Keith Barry yesterday was brilliant!

    No The Strawberry Alarm Clock has changed its tact in recent times. The comedy bits are there but not in the numbers it used to be. Mark and Jim really have a good thing going in the morning. They relate well to the Dublin audience they are targeting. They are a good alternative to Newstalk. The ratings kind of prove that to. They have nearly double the audience of Ray Foley. I think 98fm in general is in poor shape. This talkshow in the morning isn't helping anyone.
    Spin1038 have more listeners on Fully Charged than 98fm Breakfast


  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭IUA14


    Different strokes for different folks, Strawberry Alarm Clock just isn't my cup of tea.I would not disagree with regards to relating to their audience because thats proven with the figures. I think FM104 has been so far ahead of everyone in Dublin, particularly 98FM, the last 10 years and have built up such a significant lead that its near impossible to make a big dent in it anytime soon.

    98FM overall are around 42,000 listeners behind Spin 1038 so not surprising as the bigger station that their breakfast show is ahead, but only by 5,000 listeners as of the last book...and given that Fully Charged's longtime presenters left and were replaced just before those results I would not be surprised if that figure flipped around next book. Foley is 17,000 listeners up on Q102 so there is that, but it will be interesting to see the next set of figures and see if there has been a decline or improvement.

    One thing I will say is 98FM are trying to rebuild and give themselves an identity again and they seem to know there are no instant fixes, Foley in the Mornings and Quilty followed by Brian Maher in the evenings is solid, as is Barry Dunne who has been the stations best ratings performer the last few years. As for the phone show, not my cup of tea but it has 33,000 listeners, the same amount as Nikki Hayes on Spin1038 in that timeslot so I would think they would be happy enough with that for now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭soc160


    IUA14 wrote: »
    Different strokes for different folks, Strawberry Alarm Clock just isn't my cup of tea.I would not disagree with regards to relating to their audience because thats proven with the figures. I think FM104 has been so far ahead of everyone in Dublin, particularly 98FM, the last 10 years and have built up such a significant lead that its near impossible to make a big dent in it anytime soon.

    98FM overall are around 42,000 listeners behind Spin 1038 so not surprising as the bigger station that their breakfast show is ahead, but only by 5,000 listeners as of the last book...and given that Fully Charged's longtime presenters left and were replaced just before those results I would not be surprised if that figure flipped around next book. Foley is 17,000 listeners up on Q102 so there is that, but it will be interesting to see the next set of figures and see if there has been a decline or improvement.

    One thing I will say is 98FM are trying to rebuild and give themselves an identity again and they seem to know there are no instant fixes, Foley in the Mornings and Quilty followed by Brian Maher in the evenings is solid, as is Barry Dunne who has been the stations best ratings performer the last few years. As for the phone show, not my cup of tea but it has 33,000 listeners, the same amount as Nikki Hayes on Spin1038 in that timeslot so I would think they would be happy enough with that for now.


    Could change soon in the dublin market, fm104 and newstalk won't be affected so essentially 98 and spin are fighting themselves for audience, I wouldn't bring Q102 into it they aren't competing in the same manner, who is hosting the new show?

    In saying that iv been hearing that 98fm are rebuilding themselves for about 6 years now... And they seem to still be in the same situation as they were then. Ray is lagging on breakfast for a number of reasons outlined earlier, the talk show after doesn't help, so you are waiting until 12 for some music to be played consistently. Whereas with Fm 104 and spin it's into music based shows for the next few hours after breakfast.

    I haven't been able to listen to as much morning dublin radio recently because I have to commute away from the city most mornings, so I'm not sure what each station is doing then but iv been able to catch drive time a bit and what strikes me about Dara Quilty is if you like Ray you'll like him and if not you won't listen because it's personality driven rather than music, alota links compares to spin and 104.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,172 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    soc160 wrote: »
    I wouldn't bring Q102 into it they aren't competing in the same manner, who is hosting the new show?.

    Dave Harrington, who had the highest audience on the station in his old show.


  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭IUA14


    Enjoying the podcast only bits before each episode the last week or so.

    Latest JNLR figures out later this week so will be interesting to see how the Dublin market looks and if the addition of Muireann has helped the lads.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭soc160


    IUA14 wrote: »
    Enjoying the podcast only bits before each episode the last week or so.

    Latest JNLR figures out later this week so will be interesting to see how the Dublin market looks and if the addition of Muireann has helped the lads.


    I don't think we'll really see her impact on the show this book, she's only been on about 3 months now ye?

    Be looking at the next book after that for a 6 month comparison maybe.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭chilloutrelax


    soc160 wrote: »
    I don't think we'll really see her impact on the show this book, she's only been on about 3 months now ye?

    Be looking at the next book after that for a 6 month comparison maybe.

    They are down to 37k (down 4k year on year, 1k book on book) - 8k behind Spin, 49k behind 104. Nothing they do seems to have an impact! Being better by Spin by that margin is quite embarrassing…..where is this going?


  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭IUA14


    Yeah fair point actually Soc and true enough seems to be a case of status quo for 98FM...seems Foley lost 1,000 with the caveat that the show is only measured from 7-10. Now 3,000 listeners behind 2FM in Dublin, 4,000 behind Dempsey and 8,000 behind Spin.

    Not too surprised since any marketing initiatives from 98FM such as the "Reset Your Preset" feature only began in September so wont see any positives from that until the next book, especially with the big push I expect they will give The Naked Breakfast this year.

    Also they are down 1,000 book-on-book not 4,000...it is that figure year-on-year but they lost 3,000 of that last book so very little movement this time around. In relation to the beaten by Spin being embarrassing thing...Spin have 41,000 more listeners than 98FM as a station so not surprising really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭chilloutrelax


    IUA14 wrote: »
    Yeah fair point actually Soc and true enough seems to be a case of status quo for 98FM...seems Foley lost 1,000 with the caveat that the show is only measured from 7-10. Now 3,000 listeners behind 2FM in Dublin, 4,000 behind Dempsey and 8,000 behind Spin.

    Not too surprised since any marketing initiatives from 98FM such as the "Reset Your Preset" feature only began in September so wont see any positives from that until the next book, especially with the big push I expect they will give The Naked Breakfast this year.

    Also they are down 1,000 book-on-book not 4,000...it is that figure year-on-year but they lost 3,000 of that last book so very little movement this time around. In relation to the beaten by Spin being embarrassing thing...Spin have 41,000 more listeners than 98FM as a station so not surprising really.

    Corrected the figures in my post above, however this doesn't change the underlying trend.

    The reaction to every JNLR book for Foley on this thread is - we need to see the impact of this or that promotion or change in the next book. Its always the same, down or no significant change.

    I still maintain that it is embarrassing as they have much higher salaries, much more experience, much high marketing budget and the list goes on compared to the Spin crew (btw fair play to them!).


  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭IUA14


    I agree, the trend is clear, in the last year they have lost 4,000 and that is from the small base they are already operating from. 98FM have A LOT of work to do. Barry Dunne gained 5,000 listeners the past year meaning he is the biggest show on the station...10,000 ahead of Foley which is certainly not good enough.

    Problem is I don't know what 98FM can do...and I don't think they know either. One thing that is said time and time again on here is maybe try to be different than every other breakfast show they are competing against and see if it works...they don't have much to lose so maybe move away from the highly formatted show they have the lads doing and let them do what they used to be so good at...play music and have a bit of fun between the songs instead of competition, song, competition, gossip etc etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    Disappointing that they're down again.

    While I would be keen to see the full impact of adding Muireann (won't be seen for another book at least, proper trend in two to three books time), being honest, if I were 98, I'd be weighing up my options right about now. 3 years of investment in the show (salary, sizable marketing campaigns, etc) anvery little, if anything, to show for it is worrying.

    That said, Breakfast Republic are a case study in how a show can appear to be an utter failure for a long time before rising spectacularly, so maybe in year's time, we'll all be eating our words.


  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭chilloutrelax


    wnolan1992 wrote: »
    Disappointing that they're down again.

    While I would be keen to see the full impact of adding Muireann (won't be seen for another book at least, proper trend in two to three books time), being honest, if I were 98, I'd be weighing up my options right about now. 3 years of investment in the show (salary, sizable marketing campaigns, etc) anvery little, if anything, to show for it is worrying.

    That said, Breakfast Republic are a case study in how a show can appear to be an utter failure for a long time before rising spectacularly, so maybe in year's time, we'll all be eating our words.

    Breakfast republic aren't around that long really and the got another 75 minutes added to their show, hence the big rise. Maybe they could do something with foley, start at 7 and finish at 11.

    I also believe that Dublin talks with Adrian Kennedy is having a significant negative affect on the show. There is a significant drop of listeners between 9.30 and 10 before Dublin talks, the audiences couldn't be more different. Bizarre stuff really.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭chilloutrelax


    If I was running 98fm and had to keep the presenters I would do the following:
    1. Rename the show - the name Ray Foley means nothing in Dublin. The station branding and show need to be bigger!
    2. Change the time from 7 to 11.
    3. More music focus
    4. No competitions or limit significantly
    5. No more talking to news or sports readers - need to be all about the presenters. No more squeaky news readers also.
    6. Drop the ego
    7. No comedy or entertainment inserts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭flangemeistro


    If I was running 98fm and had to keep the presenters I would do the following:
    1. Rename the show - the name Ray Foley means nothing in Dublin. The station branding and show need to be bigger!
    2. Change the time from 7 to 11.
    3. More music focus
    4. No competitions or limit significantly
    5. No more talking to news or sports readers - need to be all about the presenters. No more squeaky news readers also.
    6. Drop the ego
    7. No comedy or entertainment inserts

    You should try Radio 1.


  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭chilloutrelax


    You should try Radio 1.

    I do :)

    They are mearly suggestions as they really need a radical shift. I'm suggesting that the show becomes more presenter and music driven and less formatted. From a marketing positioning this maLes sense as it differentiates them in a busy market.

    Is the current approach working???


  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭IUA14


    Yeah I agree that there needs to be changes but perhaps going too far there. The show name I don't think is a massive issue...I don't think it would make a huge difference, The Morning Crew was their predecessor right?

    Also for the timing of the show 7 to 11 wouldn't make sense since the station wants people going to work and commuting, those listening at 11 would most likely be an older audience or a younger audience and with Radio 1 and Spin targeting those they wouldn't have a chance.

    I agree with the music and competitions points but the rest I disagree with. If you want music and no talking listen to Spotify. If you listen to Foley since the move the ego is non-existent...unfortunately for some of us who liked his personality.


  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭chilloutrelax


    IUA14 wrote: »
    Yeah I agree that there needs to be changes but perhaps going too far there. The show name I don't think is a massive issue...I don't think it would make a huge difference, The Morning Crew was their predecessor right?

    Also for the timing of the show 7 to 11 wouldn't make sense since the station wants people going to work and commuting, those listening at 11 would most likely be an older audience or a younger audience and with Radio 1 and Spin targeting those they wouldn't have a chance.

    I agree with the music and competitions points but the rest I disagree with. If you want music and no talking listen to Spotify. If you listen to Foley since the move the ego is non-existent...unfortunately for some of us who liked his personality.


    I don't want to be disrespectful but branding is everything in this sector and the name of the show is a huge factor, e.g. The strawberry alarm clock, morning Ireland, liveline, full charged, the zoo crew, fm104 phoneshow, the right hook etc etc the list goes on and in many cases the presenters are replaceable but the brand lives on. Ray Foley is not a strong brand - evidently.

    The suggestion to go to 11 may be an opportunity to do something different, I like the idea of breakfast type show while working.i recognise that it's not usual but I think 98fm management need to make changes. I'd also move Dublin talks as it doesn't connect very well with breakfast.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭soc160


    They are down to 37k (down 4k year on year, 1k book on book) - 8k behind Spin, 49k behind 104. Nothing they do seems to have an impact! Being better by Spin by that margin is quite embarrassing…..where is this going?
    I don't want to be disrespectful but branding is everything in this sector and the name of the show is a huge factor, e.g. The strawberry alarm clock, morning Ireland, liveline, full charged, the zoo crew, fm104 phoneshow, the right hook etc etc the list goes on and in many cases the presenters are replaceable but the brand lives on. Ray Foley is not a strong brand - evidently.

    The suggestion to go to 11 may be an opportunity to do something different, I like the idea of breakfast type show while working.i recognise that it's not usual but I think 98fm management need to make changes. I'd also move Dublin talks as it doesn't connect very well with breakfast.


    Not exactly sure why I was quoted in the first post, but ye another bad book and nothing is making an impact, although you could argue that anything they do is having a negative impact. I remember about 2 books ago they went up and talked about it on air, they wern't putting too much stock in it, strange from a guy who trumpeted the figures on his old show.

    I actually wrote in the JNLR thread that Spin are an example of a froward thinking station, the only one really engaging the young listeners, you could say FM104 are too with their youth figures, in fact i'd say FM104 have a goof following for really young kids which converts their parents too it, mainly down to the Starwberry Alarm Clock. No shame being behind Spin while Spin sit ahead in general ratings but being so far behind FM104 is damming, the gap between them is greater than there overall listenership which kind of puts it in to perspective how poor those figures are, no hope in clawing that gap back for another few years, whether that's with Ray or without.

    The point about Dublin Talks affecting them is good, figures will generally dip after 9 anyway when people get to work, I would have no interest listening to a talk show if I worked in an office, too hard to follow that could be just me though, 33k isn't bad for a talk show, just not one at mid morning, the competition for talk radio then is huge, and that's if you don't want music so the fragmentation of audiences is even bigger then. So assuming Ray has 37k and Dublin Talks has 33k where are those 4k going and why?

    A final point on the show, i have outlined reasons why it's not as strong as it could be before, but one other thing that bugs me about it is the self deprecating and percieved laziness. Often they talk about something, then talk themselves down or slag off other presenters on the station, Ray had a habit of being late, seems to have improved, they barely do anything from 9 onwards anymore (which is udnerstandable given the lack of listeners) and the show is classed as 7 - 10 now in the JNLR's despite the best bit happening at half 6. Lately they have added features, but even some of the pre-recorded interivews are just Muireann, possibly not great planning I dont know the ins and outs but why bother doing it if you cant record it. Also, the Movie reviews are tired and lazy really, seems a strange feature to have on breakfast show and adds no value to the show.


  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭chilloutrelax


    soc160 wrote: »
    The point about Dublin Talks affecting them is good, figures will generally dip after 9 anyway when people get to work, I would have no interest listening to a talk show if I worked in an office, too hard to follow that could be just me though, 33k isn't bad for a talk show, just not one at mid morning, the competition for talk radio then is huge, and that's if you don't want music so the fragmentation of audiences is even bigger then. So assuming Ray has 37k and Dublin Talks has 33k where are those 4k going and why?

    I agree, most stations have a drop in the 9am hour, however if you examine the 98fm quarter hour figures there is a major drop from 9.30 to 10am. I really think it's Dublin talks causing this as the listener profile is so different.

    I think the 33k for Dublin talks is very dissapointing and I imagine they were hoping for a much bigger impact from AK. The 4k you refer to as the gap between the two shows isn't a fair comparison as Dublin talks is only half the length. Listener trends are measured by the quarter hour and can make a better compassion for shows of different lengths.


  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭IUA14


    Of course branding is important, and perhaps that is something they need to look at...one would assume that 98FM would be proactive to see how their branding is perceived but maybe not.

    With regards to the timing of the show...the best bit is 6.30 to 7 as I think most would agree, as you said that doesn't even get measured in the JNLR's so why even have it? Make the show 7-10 because a 4 hour show is too much and that is why I think you have all those competitions and weaker features, they need to fill. You have to remember they came from what was essentially a 2 hour show when you take out news and sport on Today FM and now do double the show. The lads have said before on podcasts that they have no time...they do the four hour show and then they have meeting after meeting...as most of us know they hate meetings and find them useless so what is the point? Work to your presenters strengths and not what you feel is the only breakfast show format in existence.

    If the lads had a 3 hour show and that best bit of the show was 7 to 7.30, when one would assume most people are tuning in or getting up then they have a good start that people actually hear. Perhaps 98FM having a more defined "Early Breakfast" show from 5 to 7 as a natural lead into Foley might help? I agree Dublin Talks does not help but what do you do with it because I guarantee it is staying around given the money they had to pay to get AK and JD?

    I want the lads to succeed, and I'm sure most people here are the same, but how long are 98FM going to keep going with the same format that is not working for the lads and not working for the listeners? It doesn't make sense. What is worrying for them as a station is that nothing other than Barry Dunne is working figure wise...Foley is the next best-rated show so I can't see axing the show as the tonic for all the rest of the shows. Change the format and give it a real chance to succeed when not stifled by incessant competitions, questionable playlisting, and weak "bits", if it doesn't work then okay move on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭soc160


    IUA14 wrote: »
    Of course branding is important, and perhaps that is something they need to look at...one would assume that 98FM would be proactive to see how their branding is perceived but maybe not.

    With regards to the timing of the show...the best bit is 6.30 to 7 as I think most would agree, as you said that doesn't even get measured in the JNLR's so why even have it? Make the show 7-10 because a 4 hour show is too much and that is why I think you have all those competitions and weaker features, they need to fill. You have to remember they came from what was essentially a 2 hour show when you take out news and sport on Today FM and now do double the show. The lads have said before on podcasts that they have no time...they do the four hour show and then they have meeting after meeting...as most of us know they hate meetings and find them useless so what is the point? Work to your presenters strengths and not what you feel is the only breakfast show format in existence.

    If the lads had a 3 hour show and that best bit of the show was 7 to 7.30, when one would assume most people are tuning in or getting up then they have a good start that people actually hear. Perhaps 98FM having a more defined "Early Breakfast" show from 5 to 7 as a natural lead into Foley might help? I agree Dublin Talks does not help but what do you do with it because I guarantee it is staying around given the money they had to pay to get AK and JD?

    I want the lads to succeed, and I'm sure most people here are the same, but how long are 98FM going to keep going with the same format that is not working for the lads and not working for the listeners? It doesn't make sense. What is worrying for them as a station is that nothing other than Barry Dunne is working figure wise...Foley is the next best-rated show so I can't see axing the show as the tonic for all the rest of the shows. Change the format and give it a real chance to succeed when not stifled by incessant competitions, questionable playlisting, and weak "bits", if it doesn't work then okay move on.

    Alot of that is mandatory on commercial radio, competitions invoice sponsorship, generate news and probably earn money somewhere along the way, most stations do it.

    We hear alot of that meeting talk but what the hell are they about and how can you not work around them, if you have a guest lined up then the meeting can wait. I just get a feeling it's about getting out of there as soon as possible after the show. Recording podcast bits during the show to save time, they are under no obligation to that but it is good, however why not just do it properly afterwards? Obviously you don't want to sit behind a keyboard telling people how to do their jobs, I do think ray is a good broadcaster and all that and maybe it really isn't a good fit. Making it 7-10 would make it more manageable, but you imagine they don't want other shows getting the jump on them from 6.


    Ye, I agree Dublin Talks will stay, figures wise it's on par with the FM104 phoneshoq I think, problem is it should be bigger for that timeslot. Lads won't go back to nights and they have spent so much cementing them there, it's been over a year with them so they'll give it more time to try and capture and audience, personally I don't think the audience is there with so much competition. Consistentcy might help build the brand, might also ruin it but they usually chop and change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    I don't think they should get rid of competitions.

    I do think they need to cut down on the sheer amount of them though.

    Like, they have Secret Sound, Eh Yeah OK and Free Money Minute every morning, almost always a week long giveaway thing on their show, then sometimes a daily prize, and sometimes a station wide promo. At times it feels like they're just going from competition to competition.

    I mean, I get the thinking behind it, but as someone who doesn't enter radio competitions often, it's just not fun to listen to when there's so many.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭soc160


    I agree, most stations have a drop in the 9am hour, however if you examine the 98fm quarter hour figures there is a major drop from 9.30 to 10am. I really think it's Dublin talks causing this as the listener profile is so different.

    I think the 33k for Dublin talks is very dissapointing and I imagine they were hoping for a much bigger impact from AK. The 4k you refer to as the gap between the two shows isn't a fair comparison as Dublin talks is only half the length. Listener trends are measured by the quarter hour and can make a better compassion for shows of different lengths.

    Are there quarter hour figures available?


  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭chilloutrelax


    soc160 wrote: »
    Are there quarter hour figures available?

    This link has a graph with the main Dublin station quarter hour figures

    http://pix.ie/blue4ever/3812234


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭soc160


    This link has a graph with the main Dublin station quarter hour figures

    http://pix.ie/blue4ever/3812234

    Deadly, that off ilevel or your own?


    Massive leap for 104 at 8am. Poor figures for 98 in drive too, looking at that maybe Dublin Talks isn't doing as bad as I thought?


  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭IUA14


    Yeah, Dublin Talks and Barry Dunne until 2pm seem solid based on that...really poor from 8 to 10 and 2 to 6.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭soc160


    IUA14 wrote: »
    Yeah, Dublin Talks and Barry Dunne until 2pm seem solid based on that...really poor from 8 to 10 and 2 to 6.

    Ye, I'm confusing myself now writing in the forums about 98, maybe it just looks better because the other shows either show are suffering?

    Anyway, this is the Ray Foley thread, as much as these books interest me, I don't want to see him leave unless he gets another gig on radio really, I like listening to the show. Wonder would they juggle the schedule and move him off breakfast for a more music based show.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    Everyone off today :(

    Anton on Today FM too


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 25,092 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Synode wrote: »
    Everyone off today :(

    Anton on Today FM too

    Are they off for the week or just today?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    Loughc wrote: »
    Are they off for the week or just today?

    No idea. I've switched over to Today FM. Macloone is decent enough


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 25,092 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Confirmed on Twitter they're on a week off, shame that. It seems like they've just been off recently for a week.

    The worst thing about them being off is there's no podcasts to download the podcasts make my commute so much quicker!

    Roll on Naked Breakfast 2, should be a good show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭donspeekinglesh


    Would it not have made more sense for them to have taken last week off, when a lot of people were on mid-term?


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 25,092 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Would it not have made more sense for them to have taken last week off, when a lot of people were on mid-term?

    I was thinking that too, but last week was a short week anyway with the Bank Holiday. Thry may be looking to stretch out the holidays a bit as I imagine that'll be the end of them until the Christmas break.


  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭IUA14


    I never get the radio holidays, seems a lot of people are off air this week actually. I'm not surprised the lads are because on Friday he mentioned that Saturday was his last day on Saturday AM and he was looking forward to a week off from everything. Who knows maybe they will return with a new game plan!?

    Who's filling in for them?


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 25,092 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Andy Clarke is filling in for him. He's ok seems to rely on music to get him through and lacks the natural banter and wit Ray has.

    I doubt they're going to return with a new game plan. When they do return they'll be busy heavily promoting The Naked Breakfast 2.


  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭IUA14


    Looking forward to The Naked Breakfast, really enjoyed listening to it last time out and they really shine when doing that kind of live show I think.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 25,092 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    IUA14 wrote: »
    Looking forward to The Naked Breakfast, really enjoyed listening to it last time out and they really shine when doing that kind of live show I think.

    Yea, I agree. When the usual constraints of competition, promo, etc are off them they really shine. And Ray seems to revel having an audience. Hopefully tickets are easy to comeby. They should be with it being in the RDS this year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭soc160


    Loughc wrote: »
    Yea, I agree. When the usual constraints of competition, promo, etc are off them they really shine. And Ray seems to revel having an audience. Hopefully tickets are easy to comeby. They should be with it being in the RDS this year.

    Problem was anyone whos not invested in the show which is the majority of Dublin won't care what they are doing when they flick around the morning, so I don't see many tuning in out of interest. All the music was live last time, so when people are flicking it doesn't jump out, I don't see it gaining a new audience really. It will be interesting to see whats done differently this time and what they have learned from last time and how it's all implemented.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    soc160 wrote: »
    Problem was anyone whos not invested in the show which is the majority of Dublin won't care what they are doing when they flick around the morning, so I don't see many tuning in out of interest. All the music was live last time, so when people are flicking it doesn't jump out, I don't see it gaining a new audience really. It will be interesting to see whats done differently this time and what they have learned from last time and how it's all implemented.

    Not everything needs to be aimed at gaining new listeners. Us loyal fans need to be entertained too


  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭chilloutrelax


    Synode wrote: »
    Not everything needs to be aimed at gaining new listeners. Us loyal fans need to be entertained too

    I assume that's a joke... With the level of listenership for that show it should all be focused on gain. What's the point of maintaining 37k listeners, particularly when q102 will be hot on their heals with a new breakfast show from 6 to 10. They could find themselves even lower. Drop the gimmicks and get on with developing a solid show and brand. There is much to be done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    I assume that's a joke... With the level of listenership for that show it should all be focused on gain. What's the point of maintaining 37k listeners, particularly when q102 will be hot on their heals with a new breakfast show from 6 to 10. They could find themselves even lower. Drop the gimmicks and get on with developing a solid show and brand. There is much to be done.

    Yeah who cares about keeping existing listeners. Cut them all loose as long as numbers go up :pac: Really wish they were back on a National station. This numbers lark and the pandering that goes with it is a pain in the ring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    Synode wrote: »
    Yeah who cares about keeping existing listeners. Cut them all loose as long as numbers go up :pac: Really wish they were back on a National station. This numbers lark and the pandering that goes with it is a pain in the ring.

    Maybe if Dempsey's figures keep sliding they'll finally come home again... :( :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,172 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Synode wrote: »
    Not everything needs to be aimed at gaining new listeners. Us loyal fans need to be entertained too

    There aren't enough within the franchise area to support such a heavy cost show (multiple presenters, none cheap); and it seems many of the loyal fans on here don't live even close to the franchise area.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    I understand the issues. I was just saying that not everything needs to be aimed at getting new listeners. A good deal does, but not everything.

    For me the problem is 98fm itself. I turn off immediately after Foley as I hate Adrian Kennedy (and that style of show). I don't switch back on once I've changed as Today FM have better shows from 12pm. If they had shows like Dermot & Dave and an afternoon show that was a mixture of chat and music (something like Louise Duffy but preferably better) then I might stay with them. But they don't so I don't.

    People are pretty loyal to the stations they listen to so you need to have an all day package to offer them to get them to stay tuned


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Chip Whitley


    When Foley first went to 98 I started listening to the rest of the schedule just to see what it was like. I loved Dermot & Dave so would listen to Foley, then back to Today FM for D'Arcy and KC, then back to 98 for D&D.

    Now that D&D are on Today FM, I'll only listen to Foley on 98 and most days it's the Foley Show podcast I'll listen to. I can leave Today FM on from 10am to 7pm and be happy with the schedule.

    If it was up to me I'd move Barry Dunne back to mid-mornings, Dara Quilty to lunchtimes and have afternoons/drivetime music-driven and have Dublin Talks the late evening show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    Catching up on some old podcasts and have to laugh again at Foley slagging D&D in the 22nd Oct podcast for being unoriginal, especially since Ray himself is using Eh Yeah OK which was created circa 2004, a secret sound bit, a throwback Thursday bit, a happy song bit, a "What's on TV tonight?" bit, etc, etc.

    Seriously, I don't get Foley's hatred for D&D at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 876 ✭✭✭Euphoria Intensifies


    I don't get it either wnolan. Dermot and Dave's show has been sounding a hell of a lot better than Ray's for a good 6 months or so. I've pretty much stopped listening to 98 at this stage other than Ray (and that's not half as often as I used to, seeing as Moyles is back on the air), especially now that Eoghan McDermott is on 2fm drivetime.


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