Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Apparently Ronan dwayne gave letter to board saying that cork intermediate level should have senior players from panel and ex under twenty ones etc

Valid points but imo why didn't dwayne keep this great thought hindsight during the year when likes sean Hayes outstanding club again weekend minor last year and played senior club and one I feel senior potential why wasn't on panel this year


Young Alec Lutterl outstanding club again this year real aggressive hurler why wasn't he on panel

Yes just out minor but so Conor whelan Galway he playing senior and intermediate
These players performing club level

Why did dwayne with this school thought not start Luke meade despite having outstanding season club and played senior challenge and under twenty one goalapparently

Why wasn't Ian Walsh good young hurlers on panel

Why didn't highly rated Ciarán o brien start the final despite outstanding senior season imkoilly and outstanding sub munster final and even training cork senior bit

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Anyone ask Lane why exactly the information was sensitive?

Is it because the project is already gone a good bit over budget already (like a lot of people are saying) and it might reflect badly on the secretary given his extension to his period in charge was given to oversee the stadium project.

Maybe if they were concerned about commercial considerations, they could simply give a percentage of how much over- budget the project is at the moment?

You see you have highlighted again why I don't believe real change happened as like you said lane said couldn't give specific answer to the pairc

Again cork gaa full story never told
Your absoultey correct what you said in the question should been asked

Look like jbm is gone lot talk of that this evening
No surprise if so

Boom__Boom wrote: »

The thing with the stadium is that the cost of it going over-budget especually when you are talking about millions of Euros (is something which has the potential to have a serious negative influence on the whole of Cork GAA for a good number of years.

Every million over budget the stadium goes is the same as the cost of 20 coaches for a year (assuming a wage of €50k)

I agree with everything you say

Most what you say regards cork you are correct and I have huge respect for your posts as you don't say yerra you be fair always call it as it is

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Look like jbm is gone lot talk of that this evening
No surprise if so

Michael Moynihan has tweeted about a "very significant development" in tomorrows Examiner

I can't believe the criticism of the new system to pick Cuthbert's successor.

IMO - Lane has produced what was required. We saw what 3 execs and 3 delegates produced the last time - a very controversial appointment with the outstanding candidate snubbed and dualism raised as a factor.

There is a recognition that this system needed improvement and Lane has done so. We can spilt hairs and complain about Frank's involvement but the Exec is charged with administering the affairs of Cork GAA and having it's 2 senior officiers involved can't be regarded as absurd.

Of course, the office of Runai has not operated with distincion in recent times and in relation to key areas such as underage development but the decision was taken to retain his services until the stadium is complete - Lane can't really change that now - he wants evolution, not revolution.

Frank, health permitting, will be with us until the stadium is complete whether we or Ger Lane likes it or not.

Gary Neville wrote: »

I can't believe the criticism of the new system to pick Cuthbert's successor.

IMO - Lane has produced what was required. We saw what 3 execs and 3 delegates produced the last time - a very controversial appointment with the outstanding candidate snubbed and dualism raised as a factor.

There is a recognition that this system needed improvement and Lane has done so. We can spilt hairs and complain about Frank's involvement but the Exec is charged with administering the affairs of Cork GAA and having it's 2 senior officiers involved can't be regarded as absurd.

Of course, the office of Runai has not operated with distincion in recent times and in relation to key areas such as underage development but the decision was taken to retain his services until the stadium is complete - Lane can't really change that now - he wants evolution, not revolution.

Frank, health permitting, will be with us until the stadium is complete whether we or Ger Lane likes it or not.

Gary who sourced the 3 footballers???????? seriously ask yourself WHO asked them to come on board, ifg you honestly think last night was any better then before I despair for you.
As for lane, he stood over the statement and he refused to answer questions on the stadium that a national newspaper was able to tell us ordinary clubs would have to pay at least 10 million of the cost for. Change, don't make me laugh

playtowin wrote: »

I've been reading this thread for a while and eventually decided to post.

One question I have is this: For all of those saying Tomas Mulcahy is unporoven, etc.

What did Brian Cody win as a manager before he took over with Kilkenny? He was manager of James Stephens for a bit and won nothing.
What did John Allen win as manager before Cork job?
What did Ger Cunningham (who people wanted to see get job) win as manager? He had the Barrs for years and won nothing.
What did O'Grady will as manager prior to Cork job?
What did the likes of Nicky English win prior to managing Tipp?

My point is.... Very few managers have had success for a number of reasons... In Tomas's case he managed the Glen to a county semi final. The Glen had a young team and have reached 2 finals since then because they are older/more mature.

Sars have won numerous Counties - Their manager for the last 2 has been Pat Ryan. Is he a runner?? Outside of him, name a manager that has proven success that is available to manage Cork?

I know you're going to come back with Fitzgibbon Cup managers and I accept that some Cork men have been successful but in fairness they are dealing with the cream of the crop with Colleges offering scholarships to players, etc.

I don't think there's a single manager in Cork with a record that makes him stand out as a candidate. I'm not saying Mulcahy would be good or bad but if he hasn't had the required success level as manager, come back to me with someone who has.

Fair points I'll try and address them as best I can


Cody let's be honest is the rare exception in hurling and among those sport like macaw ruby Walsh the pele the mike Gibson Eammon Ryan Sonia sullivan great great dr pat Callaghan the Paul mcgrath the Roy keane the o gsra etc the greatest great really I mean the really really great sports people that you have exceptional quality


Cunningjham managed Ballygunner and was successful
Managed ucc various levels successful
Yes inter county players there but shows he can manage the top people


Allen was a masseuses and yes good cork however look at cork team was built, I'd managed cork myself win all ireland didn't beat kk


Allen wasn't great coach and Cork were exposed year later

For two years I tried tell limerick thread he good man management and good contuinty but to evolve team no good and they didn't agree yet I said it many times wouldn't win anything under him


No as many know i don't rate munster as imo it's mickey mouse competition
Limerick failed get promoted and humiliation by clare
Allen yes talks about philosophy and brought in Roy keane a great move but tactical wise he's poor and limerick proved that


O grady was keen student game and coached many clubs cork



This attuide have mulchay best cork have doesn't wash with me I'm sorry


Wallis sean o brien Eddie Murphy done more club game and in some cases other counties deserves job over mulchay

Pat mulchay while doubts remain worked cit done more than mulchay



Mulchay let's be honest record is poor
County semi-final glen is poor when got two counties final since
With under twenty one this year and gardiner out thought him on the line


Pat Ryan certainly be better than mulchay but winning county title cork isn't great on its own in Ryan style play Sarsfields won't suit cork


Is their coaches in cork course there is make up back room team
Mulchay, pat Hartnett won county midelton and done good minor i seen good coach
Fraggie Murphy worked lit and davy with clare this year at times, yes doubts remain but more better than tomas


Tomas is if he gets it another disaster just like cuthbhertt waiting to happen

Mulchay too nice and isn't ruthless enough and Cork need ruthless management
Mulchay is typically imo fella if issue arise with the board he wouldn't go against them in he's view is look cork dont need a drama etc he won't be controversial when you need strong character imo


Yes he'll talk about cork core values and hurling a game of speed and skill and yes the naive gullible fans will dream again
We had the same nonsense with cuthbhertt
Mulchay views on the game clearly prove it's not what cork need in he's style is fast free style win your battles etc
He's no absoultey no tactical innovation imo
He's not the man for cork hurling
But yes an absolutely outstanding captain
We need a manager though

Finally.... I don't want to be going back and forth regarding Tomas... The question I would ask is... Who do people want/think would be good for the role??

I'm not that interested in football but I note that Cleary is the standout candidate after his sucess U21. Unfortunately for the Hurlers, there's no standout candidate.

People will complain if a or b gets it but let them put forward someone who should get it so. I honestly can't think of one man who I think would be great in the role.

I am under the impression that it doesn't matter a jot who ye get into the senior positions: the problem is there is no player development going on at underage. This is what ye need to be more worried about.

There is one obvious person ye should get for the football...

playtowin wrote: »

I take your points TTM but I have to disagree with some of them.

As regards Mulcahy with U21s this year. He was a selector with the Glen, not manager. I don't see how you keep saying Gardiner won that battle. I also know that U21 with Clubs who are still involved in the Senior ch'ship, U21 is an awkward grade. The U21 players only become available to the management the week before the game and the team is made up of some lads who are playing Senior and training at that level and others who are playing Junior A or B and training at that level. That's certainly the way it works in my club (a Senior club). So to bring up Mulcahy's record here when he wasn't the manager is ridiculous really.

You mention Wallis, Sean O Brien, Eddie Murphy and Pat Mul above. To be honest, none of these would inspire me. But having said that, they could be great. My point is and it remains..... Is the calibre of Coach/Manager available in Cork? In my opinion it is not. Mulcahy might be a terrible manager, he might be great but I wouldn't be in favour or against him getting it because there's no stand out person in the county.

You brought up Ger Cunninghams record with Ballygunner - Tomas managed the Lismore team they beat in the Waterford County Final (after a replay, I think). And Ballygunner had a star studded team in comparison to Lismore.

My point again being, you can say he didn't do x, and I can say he didn't do y. The bottom line is there's no standout candidate for the job so Mulcahy is as entitled as anyone else to be in the running.

Totally agree and said many times no stand out man in cork manager
But you still got get best man
Of all I mentioned more success some level than mulchay

Point is gardiner team beat mulchay
Mulchay won nothing to be fair


Fair enough your not inspired by Wallis or Murphy but compare them to mulchay you can't say mulchay better records in look what Wallis done with cork kerry club teams and limerick and Murphy in Ballymartyle and course kerry
That's the point mulcahy done nothing as manager
Cork can't afford risk two more years etc


Just cause no stand out man doesn't mean anyone get the job
You still pick the best available

playtowin wrote: »

I think this lack of proven coach has been going on for years and years.

When JBM first got the job in 96, he had won a minor AI in 95. I would suggest that JBM was rushed into the Senior Job purely because of lack of alternatives. When he packed in Tom Cashman did it for a year then Bertie Og (on the back of U21 success). I would suggest that neither of these two had outstanding records as coaches either - In fairness to Bertie Og, he won with the U21's but with the team he had that was the least that was expected.

We then had the strike and O'Grady got the role - Again, I would suggest, this was purely due to lack of alternative. I don't think too many people wanted the job at that stage as it was seen as a kind of poisoned chalice. After O'Grady again the likes of Gerald and Denis Walsh got the roles but neither had a great record of management (in Geralds case, he had a record but not since 98 when he had Waterford).

In all that time (since 95) the only club manager who had the record to do the role was Bernie O'Connor after winning All-Ireland with Newtown.

So over 20 years, the people who have gotten the job have all been unproven and had risk attached. That's not ideal but this time is no different. I agree O'Grady is stand out but he won't get it.

Overall... it's not good enough but that's the way it is and has been, and it's not going to change any time soon.

Our club championship is ridiculous with the amount of backdoors and coaches and players are suffering because of this.

One hundred percent agree regards the club scene

And all you spoke regards coaches etc

But mulchay there's better than
Pat mulchay huge doubts over with some but him or tomas you say mulcahy

There's problem in cork but you have to get management team right
Mulchay bringing in teddy McCarthy according to leen

Now you seem well up gaa
Would you have teddy McCarthy as a selector
That imo poor reflection on mulchay and tells u us all we need know bout mulchay as coach

Jim Cashman would be okay as a selector and worked indeed under considine before but greatest respect to teddy look at he's record


If mulchay came in with pat mulchay or Wallis or Hartnett or o brien etc you would say give him chance but when you hear he's bringing in McCarthy you have to say if he's judgment on selector is poor what is going be like with picking a team

Cuthbhertt picked inexperienced management team and from day one had problems
Mulchay would be fine if picked right people

playtowin wrote: »

I think Teddy has been involved enough and is seen as a divisive figure (even though I like him) so I would not have him. But I will say, Leen was the one who mentioned Teddy. Yes, Teddy and Tomas are good friends but that doesn't mean that Tomas would bring in Teddy. Tomas is a shrewd enough man and I'd be very surprised if Teddy was a selector with him.

Regarding Pat Mul, I agree he seems a better selection possibly that Tomas, but has he ever managed an Adult club team - I honestly don't know if he has. As regards CIT, I'd fancy myself to do well if I got that job with the quality of player available.

Leen be fair normally on ball with breaking news

He was ist say counihan favourite cork job broke news flangan joined football last year and he's coaching Douglas
He is always on the ball
Teddy is very much in running
I like McCarthy as player but record clubs county inside outside cork isn't great

What style would you favour in cork


Cause mulcahy said in may rte now not huge fan sweeper and laptop etc all science modern game
He's style is man v man
That won't work v kk
Cork don't have the players to go man for man at present


The ist questions asked new management is style play they want
Then decide
Yes against great values cork hurling but unfortunately old style won't win as we don't have the players for that style
Mulchay Fitzgerald sullivan were great hurling players cork dont have many like them now

Boom__Boom wrote: »

I've a nephew across the border now so I want to see things sorted out before too long on the footballing front. Not immediately like, but down the road. Although if things do get somewhere sorted it will be a lot less fun in terms of ammunition to wind up my sister's father-in-law. Himself and the brother-in-law didn't bother calling in after the replay and their excuse was that they were too wet to go anywhere. Know full well if the shoe had been on the other foot in terms of the result he'd have been in for the night and we wouldn't have shifted him till dawn no matter how wet he was.

Also I heard a good story recently from a Kerry lad I know coaching a club team in Cork - they had training scheduled the same time as the Kerry Kildare game and the lad from Kerry was first back into the dressing room and was checking his phone for the score. The team were making there way in off the pitch and none of them would believe him when he said the game finished Kerry 7-16 Kildare 0-10. He said he actually had to show them the texts from his parents before they'd believe him. He said the reaction was almost worth missing the game for.

I'd believe it

Who would you as a kerry man fear or respect cork managment
What's kerry view on cleary

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'd believe it

Who would you as a kerry man fear or respect cork managment
What's kerry view on cleary

Fear and respect both:
Morgan
Morgan
and
three times on Sunday Morgan.

I'd say if you had an Euro for every time a Kerryman shakes his head and ponders how Morgan is persona non grata with the Cork County Board you'd have a nice pile of cash.

Morgan alongside someone like Paudie Kissane would be a pairing that would cause folk to sit up and notice.

On Cleary there's not exactly much in the way of fear - the general feeling is that tactically there is no way he can be as poor as Counihan and Cuthbert were but no-one seem to think he'll be a top-flight tactical contender. Previously you could get away with being tactically naive but nowadays if you want to be a serious contender it's just not a runner. A lot of folks seem determined to pick the positives out of his time in charge of the U21 but if you look at with any sort of perspective there are a lot of questions as well. The feeling about his time over Castlehaven and his success there was that it said more about the state of the club game in Cork,than about any special managerial talent, especially when you look at their record in Munster. Also it's not just about the manager - who's in there with him is also vital - will it be about putting the best team with him with skills to complement him who work well together or will it be a case of having to put a team of selectors together with one hand tied behind the back in order to satisfy the various different faction. As a hypothetical if Cian O'Neill were available for free would he be considered as part of the Cork backroom team or would it be a case of "thanks for your interest but no thanks, we're Cork like" I know where I'd be putting my money.

Beyond that there doesn't seem to be a lot of other serious alternatives to Cleary - sometimes the lack of other candidates can be a sign that one candidate is the stand-out, but here it looks like a distinct lack of depth in terms of alternatives. I think Creedon would have been a much more interesting appointment, but the fact that he said he ruled himself out so quickly (combined with how luke-warm Cleary's statement was) speaks volumes about where Cork football is at the moment.

Basically no-one really expects Cork to be serious contenders come championship next year and with the Cork footballers if they are not a serious contender, they might as be no-where given how fickle the support can be. Talking to a bar-owner in Killarney, his comment was about how great it was that it went to a replay this year as they can see the crowd for the Munster final next year being one of the smallest ever.