Cork GAA Discussion Thread

zetecescort

are these appointments being made tomorrow night or just finalizing the "process"?

Gary Neville

sean mac wrote: »

This latest disgraceful episode gives the lie to the nonsense spouted on here by some that there were a few nice new fresh voices on the executive - as this crowd have shown over and over again down through the years, they don't give a **** about what anyone thinks and the culture is as bad as ever

Sadly, it looks like it's the same old story.

I thought that Lane & Kennedy would be a big improvement from the calibre of their predecessors but they haven't achieved much so far.

CORKDOUBLE

Re Herlihy if its true he still is more "old school " is around a good while age wise he would be the same as Donal O Sullivan....I know age is only a number as they say ...but with respects should they not go with someone younger .

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Re Herlihy if its true he still is more "old school " is around a good while age wise he would be the same as Donal O Sullivan....I know age is only a number as they say ...but with respects should they not go with someone younger .

I don't think age has any relevant in once young In gaa views and Eammon Ryan cody jack o connor etc proved that

It will tell a lot who is in the selection make up if it's true what you say and he's the manager

zetecescort

reading tweets from the board meeting is very depressing. everyone up in arms about Cusack and no debate on what he said, pure head in the sand stuff. we are going nowhere

Figsy32

zetecescort wrote: »

reading tweets from the board meeting is very depressing. everyone up in arms about Cusack and no debate on what he said, pure head in the sand stuff. we are going nowhere

It's painful reading it. Anybody who was holding their breath for a change will be sorely disappointed.

zetecescort

Paul Mc Carthy re appointed Junior football manager, Minor hurling and football appointments delayed.

Former AI winners John O’Driscoll, John Coleman, Nicholas Murphy to be on committee to find Brian Cuthbert's replacement

thinkstoomuch1

zetecescort wrote: »

Paul Mc Carthy re appointed Junior football manager, Minor hurling and football appointments delayed.

Former AI winners John O’Driscoll, John Coleman, Nicholas Murphy to be on committee to find Brian Cuthbert's replacement

Complete joke again with delay this

You see i said yesterday herihly if true as I wasn't fully belive he got it when apparently donal sullivan wants new term and not straight forward now

He should be told no no no plain no
Had two years doesn't deserve more been involved other teams

This committee senior is greatest joke going

Murphy driscoll good people but only there show things been done etc and their fans people but we all know as proven again tonight who run cork gaa

Nothing changes usual nonsense

Figsy32

zetecescort wrote: »

Paul Mc Carthy re appointed Junior football manager, Minor hurling and football appointments delayed.

Former AI winners John O’Driscoll, John Coleman, Nicholas Murphy to be on committee to find Brian Cuthbert's replacement

That's a 5 man committee with Frank and Ger Lane rounding it off.

zetecescort

Figsy32 wrote: »

That's a 5 man committee with Frank and Ger Lane rounding it off.

interesting the board are out numbered but why Frank has to be involved in every ****ing decision made is disgraceful and what's worse is that the rest of them put up whit this ****.

no word on Scaith na Scol either tonight.

CORKDOUBLE

The only good thing about this is its a 5 man committee instead of 6 like the last time ..has Lane spoking up ? John O and Nick hope will do the right thing ...hopefully Coleman as well...no Minor managements when now ....

Gary Neville

A bit of realism is needed.

Anybody that expected a stake thorugh the Vampire's heart was not being realistic. The Stooges will not exit centre stage en masse. John Arnold is ...... well, John Arnold.

The Exec has ceded control to 3 ex players - that's very significant IMO - an admission that the last procedure was flawed in that it lacked IC Expertise. Anybody that can't see the appointment of Nick Murphy - a strong figure in the last dispute - is a sea change - is not seeing the true picture.

Onwards and upwards from here. A significant number of execs and delegates now appreciate that Cork CB must adopt a more enlightened approach and control cannot again be centred on one man. That has led us to the brink of ruin and anyone, apart from a stooge, can appreciate this.

thinkstoomuch1

Gary Neville wrote: »

A bit of realism is needed.

Anybody that expected a stake thorugh the Vampire's heart was not being realistic. The Stooges will not exit centre stage en masse. John Arnold is ...... well, John Arnold.

The Exec has ceded control to 3 ex players - that's very significant IMO - an admission that the last procedure was flawed in that it lacked IC Expertise. Anybody that can't see the appointment of Nick Murphy - a strong figure in the last dispute - is a sea change - is not seeing the true picture.

Onwards and upwards from here. A significant number of execs and delegates now appreciate that Cork CB must adopt a more enlightened approach and control cannot again be centred on one man. That has led us to the brink of ruin and anyone, apart from a stooge, can appreciate this.

With respect your hardly one to advocate realism now to be fair with the nonsense you say football related at times

You are the very one that preached things could change with lane etc

Murphy you need to wake up with respect is only a front yes he'll be seen as change with the fans and Driscoll him good and Coleman tremendous centre back and great servant cork football but you preach realism yet you typically again yet again with greatest respect fail see that Murphy on committee holds key power and while I belive lane better others past few weeks proved won't go against top table as shown by he's comment tonight ccb statement was dealt with etc and buck stops him as chairman which Imo is saying typical board view their way or no way and won't engage in debate
Lane isn't like bob Ryan but imo coming clear he'll back board and year ago I hoped he'd be different but recent events don't show he's or other go against board

Seriously you think Murphy on he's own shows change get real with respect as great player he no real influence processes imo

Look at minor football and hurling delays and comments by Arnold etc
Still same old same old
If real change was going happen Murphy would been told have control park but no place management committee etc


Onwards and upwards are you actually serous


If so minor football would be appointed but sullivan apparently wants new term

Why wasn't hurling appointment done
No debate Cusack bar some again saying against him

No mention school
Onwards and upwards
Your easily swayed in fairness
Nothing major was changed imo as much as was expected it imo same old same old story


Coleman is a good guy hugely appreciated in football and great sporting family

Played rubgy munster went rockwell college

Coached junior winning team

Great gaa man

Murphy driscoll same

But frank isn't there just make up numbers
He still holds huge power
It was posted here another poster herihly was minor manager

Sullivan apparently wants new term
He shouldn't get it

This shows things have far than changed imo

Gary Neville

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

With respect your hardly one to advocate realism now to be fair with the nonsense you say football related at times

You are the very one that preached things could change with lane etc

Murphy you need to wake up with respect is only a front yes he'll be seen as change with the fans and Driscoll him good and Coleman tremendous centre back and great servant cork football but you preach realism yet you typically again yet again with greatest respect fail see that Murphy on committee holds key power and while I belive lane better others past few weeks proved won't go against top table as shown by he's comment tonight ccb statement was dealt with etc and buck stops him as chairman which Imo is saying typical board view their way or no way and won't engage in debate
Lane isn't like bob Ryan but imo coming clear he'll back board and year ago I hoped he'd be different but recent events don't show he's or other go against board

Seriously you think Murphy on he's own shows change get real with respect as great player he no real influence processes imo

Look at minor football and hurling delays and comments by Arnold etc
Still same old same old
If real change was going happen Murphy would been told have control park but no place management committee etc


Onwards and upwards are you actually serous


If so minor football would be appointed but sullivan apparently wants new term

Why wasn't hurling appointment done
No debate Cusack bar some again saying against him

No mention school
Onwards and upwards
Your easily swayed in fairness
Nothing major was changed imo as much as was expected it imo same old same old story


Coleman is a good guy hugely appreciated in football and great sporting family

Played rubgy munster went rockwell college

Coached junior winning team

Great gaa man

Murphy driscoll same

But frank isn't there just make up numbers
He still holds huge power
It was posted here another poster herihly was minor manager

Sullivan apparently wants new term
He shouldn't get it

This shows things have far than changed imo

Please understand that this post is not the first serve in the final game at Wimbledon.

You just need to take a little time to think about this and get some feed back.

Rome wasn't built in a day - Lane has made a signifcant start - IMO this is not a token gesture.

Time will tell - You may finally have to admit you were wrong.

thinkstoomuch1

Gary Neville wrote: »

Please understand that this post is not the first serve in the final game at Wimbledon.

You just need to take a little time to think about this and get some feed back.

Rome wasn't built in a day - Lane has made a signifcant start - IMO this is not a token gesture.

Time will tell - You may finally have to admit you were wrong.

Look stop this nonsense as you do when you again fail prove point

Yes love be proven wrong

Give me one example that secretary loosing power in cork??


Enlightened me please with logical answer not a smart one if you can with respect what prove there is significant improvement made tonight

Why wasn't minor football and hurling announced tonight

Why is frank Murphy on committee pick manager
Remember now he was be meant be gone soley park development years ago

I love to be proven wrong but with respects everything you say regards cork football in fairness most been wrong past year and I'm sure you don't need be to prove that

And no this isn't a game who right or wrong but respect again you preach things changed and live in fantasy bubble cork made progress when clear as day nothing much has changed

Committee done for Denis Walsh appointment don't not forget and he still got job why so...

Cause one man made it clear he wanted him get it
Take a moment and explain how this is different please
Committe great idea but when frank is there he hold all power to be fair


I agree and see your concept Murphy Coleman etc look like progress but look as much I'd love belive it is when Murphy on committee it still doesn't convinced me

No doubt men mentioned are good but surely you can see my point Murphy and lane hold key control here

If these men had full power no need any board members here be fair on committee just have lads pick there men and then ratify decision

Murphy record with respect him choosing management down year poor so him on committee imo doesn't show huge change

thinkstoomuch1

Murphy was on committee with Derek kavanagh that appointment counihan when they two players choices under mulvey agreement find management

Counihan was fine with board
Hurling when McCarthy appointment gardiner Cusack there but two men were outvoted on seven man committee includes bob mick frank two club delegates

Yes five man committee with three ex players this time but two ccb members imo hold key power
You see questions must be asked who holds key casting vote

As out six man committee two years ago three v three and Bob Ryan had the casting vote

Out five man committe all it takes one to abstain I fear in could say he's undecided on two candidates for example so if it's a stale mate who holds key casting vote
Is it the board that's the question

Cleary should get it and will imo if wants it but imo he'll only take it he's terms

If was real change here why not have Kennedy and lane as only ccb representatives and imo that would convince there was really change there

CORKDOUBLE

4 Committes have been setup now to appoint managements to the senior football, minor football , minor hurling and junior football the only name on all committes is Frank Murphy...

thinkstoomuch1

It's like watching a series of the same movies in the plot is the same the ending is the same the main actor is the same all that changed is the supporting crew

He's on all committee he holds full power and anyone thinking other wise is fooling no one but themselves with the greatest respect to them

Course bob Ryan came out in support of Cuthbert term last night
Sure he was the fella that appointed him.

Smith614

Irrespective of what committee is put inplace to select the new manager, It is John Clearys job to refuse. It wont be rocket science from Nick and co. if Cleary gets the job.

CORKDOUBLE

John Coleman cant remember him playing but you have to remember its Colemans cars that are to be won in the Cork gaa clubs draw ...the plot thickens ....Frank Murphy is like J.R. Ewing...only this is real life

youngbob

Youghal's Pat Mackey is Junior Football selector

CORKDOUBLE

Stephen Calnan Nemo as coach.

deisedude

What ye make of Des Cahills comment about the Cork Galway game on the Sunday Game?The 42.ie are reporting cork county board complained to rte after Donal Ogs comments a few weeks back

I really feel for genuine Cork fans as it seems the county board have their head in the sand

thinkstoomuch1

Smith614 wrote: »

Irrespective of what committee is put inplace to select the new manager, It is John Clearys job to refuse. It wont be rocket science from Nick and co. if Cleary gets the job.

That's exactly it this isn't rocket science with this committee nononenss just look at records and pick according on merit

thinkstoomuch1

deisedude wrote: »

What ye make of Des Cahills comment about the Cork Galway game on the Sunday Game?The 42.ie are reporting cork county board complained to rte after Donal Ogs comments a few weeks back

I really feel for genuine Cork fans as it seems the county board have their head in the sand

Yes they did bob Ryan wasn't happy

A delegate said last night was tax payer money rte yet rte allowed critsim


Unbelievable
Dare not call a spade a spade
Limerick ccb are exactly same as Cork as proven earlier mann comments regards journalist Martin kiely

Gaa meant be most decomatric organisation around but you would seriously have to question it in some cases

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/delegates-fume-over-embarassing-cork-gaa-controversies/

Typical bob Ryan remark

No no no bob other stations aren't dealing with gaa just cause team critsed it's simple sky give them more money etc imo


Bob Ryan a member of the ccb just like sweeny said board are gift that just keeps on giving

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

John Coleman cant remember him playing but you have to remember its Colemans cars that are to be won in the Cork gaa clubs draw ...the plot thickens ....Frank Murphy is like J.R. Ewing...only this is real life

You see i agree lot other things you say but I wouldn't be assumption on two plus two get hundred in when that talks happen it's easy for gaa pro board to make valid point in its personal with Coleman and it shouldn't be

Coleman and it should have no relevance to the discussion but briefly to just mentioned it imo car business is meant be very good and he's entitled like many other suppliers cork draw in whatever support etc and have role gaa


I wouldn't worry about that all
Coleman is really good gaa man as he's family and brother involved motor sport think only fella still win British race some kind etc and really good sporting people


That's not the issue

Point is any committee with Murphy on it as he's secretary cork gaa you would have to ask who really holds the power

Jbm for example huge gaa man integrity gaa related and Fenton etc but made no difference when there on committee picked Denis Walsh imo board always get their men


Lane is imo new breed views I hoped for however you would really questions will anything changes while he's working with others in for example lane be fair apologised board statement but he didn't clarify who made it and say who was accountable


It was more issues was discussed well learn from it
But we have heard that before
We needed more to believe change happened
Lane also said that apologises ref and comments taken out context
I'm sorry but how were they taken it out context
Board stament clearly said to be fair that referee decision cost cork probably all ireland semi final stage


Lane giving a perception that doesn't adhere to what can be clearly said imo doesn't show change


One question needs be asked as another poster said why is one man all four committee appointment management
Nothing else needs be mentioned imo regards Coleman Murphy etc
Coleman huge belived in Morgan philosophy football and nicholas driscoll good gaa men
But Murphy on all four committee show ccb are still holding ace of spades when it comes cork gaa

That's the most and only significant point imo needs be remembered

Imo that selection committee would be fine but for board members on it
Point is also like kerry under twenty one they wanted jack o connor and appointment him asap still minor job


As smith said no need committee in this case when everyone knows cleary best man job
You offer cleary the job with he's selection team and anything he wants etc
Simple as that
He refused fair enough then you get committee pick manager
This is actually being made more complicated than it needs be imo

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Stephen Calnan Nemo as coach.

What do you make him
Remember got goal v tipp senior munster final years ago

Fast nippy forward would played with John Buckley knockagree

commonsense.

CORKDOUBLE wrote:

4 Committes have been setup now to appoint managements to the senior football, minor football , minor hurling and junior football the only name on all committes is Frank Murphy...

Obsessive compulsive personality disorder (OCPD), is a personality disorder characterized by ..........a need for control over one's environment, at the expense of flexibility, openness, and efficiency.

CORKDOUBLE wrote:

John Coleman cant remember him playing but you have to remember its Colemans cars that are to be won in the Cork gaa clubs draw ...the plot thickens ....Frank Murphy is like J.R. Ewing...only this is real life

Agree. John Coleman's position on that committee is completely compromised. Don't know the man from Adam but am surprised somebody would allow themselves to be put in such a situation.

thinkstoomuch1

youngbob wrote: »

Youghal's Pat Mackey is Junior Football selector

He's keeper from Youghal yeah

If fella I think it's good young progression move