Cork GAA Discussion Thread

commonsense.

Hurleratheart wrote:

Some get outa jail from Middleton tonight

Agree with you. Defending desperately at the end to prevent what would have been a Barrs winner. Last time I saw a team shoot that many wides, despite being the vastly superior team they were beaten with a late goal (Cork minor hurlers). So Midleton can count themselves lucky. Still the team to beat though in this years championship.

Powerhouse

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Brian Cody said during the week that one of the skills of the game is hard work ...

Lord save us and guard us, is there no end to that man's wisdom? I thought when he told us a few years ago that the 'team which scores most wins' we had gleaned as much as we could reasonably expect. But now managers everywhere will start urging people to try harder.

thinkstoomuch1

Gary Neville wrote: »

Do you understand English ?

You misquote me and then use that to say you've proved your point. Then you accuse me on not using logic to back up my points. Do you understand the meaning of 'perverse irony'?


I said that but for the ref's decision, Cuthbert could have taken Cork to an AI Final. That's not disrespecting other teams, that's offering an opinion based on a lot of factors. However, I repeat - we'll never know.

You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

CCB (due mainly to Frank's influence IMO) took a big risk in appointing Cuthbert over an obviously more qualified candidate. The controversial nature of the appointment and the inexperience of Cuthbert's choices as selectors, were factors in a very poor first season. I noted enormous improvement in season 2 but of course, it was easier to improve on a bad season. The league final showed that Management was still on a learning curve.

I was a critic of Cuthbert in year 1 and I believe that he should not have been appointed - I also agree that he is best suited to an admin role (as suggested by his success in the chairing the development squad commitee) - however, I am prepared to acknowledge the effort and improvement by the management team in year 2.

I enjoy your posts, in general, due to your knowledge of Cork GAA matters but I don't want to engage directly with you, in the future (dog with a bone .....etc ) so let's leave it at that and not bore others BM's to distraction with our disagreements ?

Look with respect your making points and I'm challenge some them not all nothing more nothing less
I'm sorry now but some stuff you say doesn't add up

You say cork improved this year fair enough it's your opinion but I can prove to you clear clare example we did not


I'll show you defence statistics if you want to show defence was awful

I suggest you read Barry Donovan few weeks ago showing excellent stats colm and brian getting little ball and Cork running game not being effective against top teams

I give clear example kerry were weaker with out four key players the drawn game but you didn't want to know but accused me being too negative and said stop posting and indeed said cork thread was too negative

Midfield didn't improve all year

I'm not having a dog with a bone but to be fair your making point that don't add up and I'm proving that like I'd expect you do with me

You make some good points I agree with a few to be fair


But look in fairness you blamed the weather and that's not me having a go
Look at your post
That with respect irate me because your saying cork only dry weather team then and seriously as o se proved he took piss out cork for this
It's awful thing to say team only one weather team imo in it means we're limited
Surely you can see and appreciate why I challenge it to be fair now

If any of the points I raised with attack and defence and midfield etc you can prove with clear examples I'm wrong please do so but Cork didn't improve at all this year in many cork fans here know all year I said defence was wrong attack was not cohesive and midfield was poor so how did cork improve

League was same as year one false dawns in lost big games
Struggled past clare with five key lads out
Lost Kildare and kerry
Ist day was false dawns
Sorry now but how was this year an improvement for cork
Just look at the results The defence stats the lack scoring from play by full forward line the midfield bar one game this year had no improvement bar flangan who I agree was a huge bonus


Numerous times you mentioned kste Kirby as if she could help cork
I agreed she is brilliant absoultey brilliant but her role nothing to do with game plan or coaching and Cork problem was coaching
Your making points I agree with some but others no logic to back them up and I'm saying that
Nothing more nothing less truth be told


And with respect stop this nonsense do I understand English

You done the same tone week ago you accused cork thread too negative and gone poor just cause few wouldn't live in your bubble all was well with cork
You may want to think all is good when things prove other wise fair enough but don't with respect get upset when your points are challenging merely field play

To answer your question what ever about English I understand football and many other cork posters do here also
English language with respect nothing to do with cork football


With respect I haven't missed quote you if you want I'll repost exactly what you said week ago but I didn't do that as I don't want geuinely sound pedantic


But yes well move on as you say points have been made
But hopefully in the future when you don't like what's been said you won't accuse me or others being too negative

For what it worth we both agree on cleary and Cork football having talents available
Let's hope he gets the job

thinkstoomuch1

commonsense. wrote: »

Agree with you. Defending desperately at the end to prevent what would have been a Barrs winner. Last time I saw a team shoot that many wides, despite being the vastly superior team they were beaten with a late goal (Cork minor hurlers). So Midleton can count themselves lucky. Still the team to beat though in this years championship.

Valid point but around twenty wides you always felt if conceded goal would have equalised

Much the better team though imo

CORKDOUBLE

On county board web site it says both minor and junior managements to be announced on Tuesday meeting...on another issue brilliant as usual piece from Eamon Sweeney in todays indo also an excellent article about the Scaith na Scoil problems with the CCB

Gary Neville

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

On county board web site it says both minor and junior managements to be announced on Tuesday meeting...on another issue brilliant as usual piece from Eamon Sweeney in todays indo also an excellent article about the Scaith na Scoil problems with the CCB

That's a very interesting article.

At a time when we are bemoaning our lack of underage success and asking how we can promote and develop the games in schools - The attitude of the CCB in this matter is mind boggling.

It seems pretty obvious that some member(s) of the Executive simply didn't want the Scaith na Scoil finals played in the rugby stadium and used the excuse of Insurance as an obstacle. They then engaged in bullying and intimidation.

Liam Weir - raised this in the June CB meeting but so far no proper explanation of the conduct has been forthcoming.

This is just the latest example of gross incompetence, ignorance and skull-duggery from the Executive of Cork CB. How the hell are supposedly decent people like Lane, Kennedy, Forrest & O Donovan allowing this kind of inane behavior to continue. When is someone going to shout 'Stop' and realise that a competent and modern thinking professional administrator is vital to the interests of Cork GAA. What we have at the moment isn't working and hasn't worked for 15 years. Has any of them got the courage to do what they must know needs to be done ?

thinkstoomuch1

Gary Neville wrote: »

That's a very interesting article.

At a time when we are bemoaning our lack of underage success and asking how we can promote and develop the games in schools - The attitude of the CCB in this matter is mind boggling.

It seems pretty obvious that some member(s) of the Executive simply didn't want the Scaith na Scoil finals played in the rugby stadium and used the excuse of Insurance as an obstacle. They then engaged in bullying and intimidation.

Liam Weir - raised this in the June CB meeting but so far no proper explanation of the conduct has been forthcoming.

This is just the latest example of gross incompetence, ignorance and skull-duggery from the Executive of Cork CB. How the hell are supposedly decent people like Lane, Kennedy, Forrest & O Donovan allowing this kind of inane behavior to continue. When is someone going to shout 'Stop' and realise that a competent and modern thinking professional administrator is vital to the interests of Cork GAA. What we have at the moment isn't working and hasn't worked for 15 years. Has any of them got the courage to do what they must know needs to be done ?

Indeed you actually would be spot on here for once what you say

You should read last week's sunday independent article that was breathing fresh and brutally honest regards county board statement and I decided not to mention it here for a week but no surprise nobody mentioned it here

He called county board panto games and the gift that just keeps on giving

I'll give a more detailed response on it later but I'd highly recommend anyone read it and it really shows the incompetence of both ccb and Cork football management

Brilliant read truth be told

zetecescort

Commentary of the Camogie semi final available on Kilkenny local radio. Cork U-16s with a big win over Tipp in the curtain raiser.

http://kclr96fm.com/

zetecescort

Cork 1-7 Kilkenny 1-6 HT. Cork were 5 points down at one point but finished the half strongly, could be further ahead, hit a few wides at the end of the half too

zetecescort

Cork 4-10 Kilkenny 1-10 FT well done to all

thinkstoomuch1

zetecescort wrote: »

Cork 4-10 Kilkenny 1-10 FT well done to all

Wow superb win and superb coach is paudie dunlea
Geary said month ago cork would win all ireland in her role as a pundit and hopefully they will beat Galway now
At least cork fans have a trip to croke park
Fair play to the ladies

zetecescort

scaith na scol article

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/bitter-aftertaste-takes-from-corks-historic-schools-finals-31454301.html

thinkstoomuch1

zetecescort wrote: »

scaith na scol article

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/bitter-aftertaste-takes-from-corks-historic-schools-finals-31454301.html

A real inditement again what's wrong with the ccb
You can't ever belive what they say as they said insurance was not extended rather than cancelled yet certificate showed other wise

And the piece about the board threaten and intimidation of members etc no surprise

Liam griffin in the old sunday tribune said great article on board the past strike and was board motto was like do as I say or else so to speak

This article, Cusack comments, the ccb cringeworthy statement, the huge costs of the pairc, the failure of the football management when they appointment them continue famine senior hurling and under age, Eammon Sweeney and other pundits even colm rourke last week who normally non controversial had a pop at the ccb, and moyinhan piece in the paper saying a few had offered resign and Kieran shannon awesome piece on board official travelling football team bus really shows all what wrong cork gaa from the top green velvet table imo

wackokid

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Wow superb win and superb coach is paudie dunlea
Geary said month ago cork would win all ireland in her role as a pundit and hopefully they will beat Galway now
At least cork fans have a trip to croke park
Fair play to the ladies

Paudie Murray isn't too bad either:D

sean mac

zetecescort wrote: »

scaith na scol article

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/bitter-aftertaste-takes-from-corks-historic-schools-finals-31454301.html

This latest disgraceful episode gives the lie to the nonsense spouted on here by some that there were a few nice new fresh voices on the executive - as this crowd have shown over and over again down through the years, they don't give a **** about what anyone thinks and the culture is as bad as ever

ShamoBuc

Super win for the ladies today. A fully deserved victory over the cats, bring on Croker!

thinkstoomuch1

wackokid wrote: »

Paudie Murray isn't too bad either:D

Ha ha my apologies your right

wackokid

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Ha ha my apologies your right

Once I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken

CORKDOUBLE

Is Tony Leen codding us in the Examiner or what Tomas Mulcahy strong favourite to be our new manager with Jim Cashman and Teddy McCarthy as selectors ...all great great players but none would be up to this level of management ...it looks like another Brian Cuthbert type appointment if true oh my I hope not.

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Is Tony Leen codding us in the Examiner or what Tomas Mulcahy strong favourite to be our new manager with Jim Cashman and Teddy McCarthy as selectors ...all great great players but none would be up to this level of management ...it looks like another Brian Cuthbert type appointment if true oh my I hope not.

No this is a really possibility and I said this month ago yet we had a wise man tried convinced me glen beat Douglas showed character etc under twenty one game and mulchay be good


Unbelievable
I told that poster beating Douglas hardly anything get carried away with and john gardiner na Piarsaigh beat them the next game

Mulchay senior management glen was poor and with under twenty one before

Yes he'll talk about pride and and passion and Cork hurling philosophy and few naive cork media will laud him just like done cuthbhertt with out asking hard questions
This isn't like the piece from the unbelievable with pat short where he talks under fourteen match pride parish hit everything etc tear in to them and no sweat jersey but blood


That was comedy from shortt
This is elite elite sport and mulchay goes in cork hurling is finished imo
Now before anyone says what's my agenda
I have none against mulchay he's great player and captain but no where near management level imo
But yes he'll talk the talk no doubt
No way should he get it and teddy MacCarthy is disaster in management look at he's record
Tompkins was only last week saying he should be in football
If they get it it's usual nonsense boys for the jobs nonsense
I'll be honest I have seriously questions going games if McCarthy and mulchay get the job as there's only so much heart break one can take and going match knowing your team beaten before it starts worse feeling ever

Better off watching it on TV saving time and money imo you would think

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/tomas-mulcahy-favourite-to-be-next-cork-hurling-boss-348572.html

Clubs should oppose this but won't

Same old same old nonsense in cork is it any wonder we are where we are

zombieHanalei

I have to say, I'm very surprised Tomás Mulcahy is being mentioned as a potential new manager, all I know about his coaching background is what I've read on wikipedia but looks average at best to me. What has he been doing hurling wise for the last few years other than media work? I've nothing against the man (I quite like him in fact) but strikes me as a bit of a Hollywood 'big name' appointment if it goes ahead.

I hope for Cork's sake a bit more thought goes into the appointment before anything concrete is put on the table.

ShamoBuc

I reckon he is favourite at the minute, but I would prefer if he didn't get it.

thinkstoomuch1

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I reckon he is favourite at the minute, but I would prefer if he didn't get it.

He has it if he wants it


I said that when he said examiner six weeks ago he wanted job just wasn't coincidence
He was like a political candidates making he's mark offer all budget cuts etc before election


He talked about good game values cork hurling and he'd bring in right men help him


What an absolute farce imo complete joke bring in the right men teddy McCarthy


Guaranteed he wants it he'll get it as nothing against him but finbarrs McCarthy glen delegates huge ccb fan over years and supported last rushed through motion counihan get new term despite board being holidays so along with Donovan their glen like Bishopstown in football hold huge power cork hurling as seen by laughable sanctions handed out them second off field incident last year


Probably mulchay get it he'll keep Seanie mcgrath as he'll preach he's need contuinty from jbm time and we'll have mulchay mcgrath and teddy MacCarthy involved


Sweet lord is all I say

Again nothing against any these personally or as players etc or McCarthy who is fine commentator but judged other areas

It's show problem cork gaa when nearly every post you have point out any critsim is purely field play related when cork those with their own agenda use its personal by some just negate value their argument when you purely critse on managment skills and I say this now as criticism mulchay some will think it's harsh when no I'm critsim him purely as manager and nothing against him as a player or captain


On field play owe cork nothing but same time doesn't mean should be manager either

Again proven record cork need and while candidates are few in options there's much much better than McCarthy or mulchay in fairness

No way is this critsim McCarthy or mulchay players but there poor management
Just look teddy McCarthy record with sars eire og Kilworth laois refused play under him cork under twenty one and Newcastle west hurling and football
Unbelievable in fairness he's a selector with greatest respect to him

Miall108

Would Donal Og Grady or John Allen take the job?

thinkstoomuch1

Miall108 wrote: »

Would Donal Og Grady or John Allen take the job?

O grady would never get it or Allen

With the greatest respect to Allen in the days of tactical innovation he's not the man to take cork forward but would be fine in director of hurling yes

youngbob

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Is Tony Leen codding us in the Examiner or what Tomas Mulcahy strong favourite to be our new manager with Jim Cashman and Teddy McCarthy as selectors ...all great great players but none would be up to this level of management ...it looks like another Brian Cuthbert type appointment if true oh my I hope not.

if this is true we should boycott all cork matches. this is gobsh**es appointing gobsh**es. We should never criticise players if they are put under the management of latchicos like the above. their record is dismal. How any of CCB can imagine that this trio could put together a squad to compete with the last 4 in this years championship are in dreamland. I like as joke as much as anyone but this will make us the laughing stock in every hurling county :mad:

CORKDOUBLE

Heard how true don't know that Brian Herlihy of Dohenys will be new Minor football manager has been involved as a selector with the u21 teams under Tony Leahy and John Cleary...don't think hes with Sean Hayes ...

thinkstoomuch1

He's okay and certainly could be worse

Father if I'm thinking right fella was doctor and played kinsale and carrighdoyn in he's day and ucc hurling

Huge gaa family really grass roots man

Involved with cleary and Leahy and involved cit this year with kissane and I wouldn't be surprised see him bring kissane in

With dohenys as selector with Cathal Crowley who doing okay this year and drew the weekend in round four senior
Not bad choice imo

Won junior and intermediate with dohenys early nineties as player very honest player always gave he's all

Would be better last year management in definitely more modern thinking imo

Also on the county coaching committee with ricken considine ricken etc

thinkstoomuch1

Be interesting see who he brings in
Hurling down two men apparently