Cork GAA Discussion Thread

0byme75341jo28 · 13-08-2015 12:37PM

According to this article if you've previously played at fresher level you can't do so again, so maybe that means he's eligible for the Fitzgibbon Cup panel? There doesn't seem to be much else available on the rules with regards to eligibility of players available on the internet, which is a bit mad.

sean mac · 13-08-2015 12:56PM

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

This could explain things

Clarifies nothing imo,its not an apology and the statement is not withdrawn. Theysaid cork woild be in a semifinal except for a totally wrong decision from the referee.
Forest then talks about 'context'........absolute nonsense and every member of the executive who clearly stand over the original statement should ne ashamed.
They were wrong an abject apology and withdrawal of the statement was the minimum required and they have done neither

rebel girl 15 · 13-08-2015 12:57PM

sean mac wrote: »

Clarifies nothing imo,its not an apology and the statement is not withdrawn. Theysaid cork woild be in a semifinal except for a totally wrong decision from the referee.
Forest then talks about 'context'........absolute nonsense and every member of the executive who clearly stand over the original statement should ne ashamed.
They were wrong an abject apology and withdrawal of the statement was the minimum required and they have done neither

I meant the rumours wandering around about JBM, quietly put that statement out in the meantime while the rumour mill being in overdrive!

I agree, the statement doesn't take away from the initial statement - and the PRO is the one that is commenting on the statement, yet had nothing to do with the previous statement, or hadn't written it was the excuse

thinkstoomuch1 · 13-08-2015 01:08PM

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

I meant the rumours wandering around about JBM, quietly put that statement out in the meantime while the rumour mill being in overdrive!

I agree, the statement doesn't take away from the initial statement - and the PRO is the one that is commenting on the statement, yet had nothing to do with the previous statement, or hadn't written it was the excuse

Your right and it shows again others cork have cover up mistakes of others

There was a statement meant come out criticism Cusack but apparently they know let it go as I'd love they critsed Cusack as they would really bite off more than they could chew and he'd really expose them

Figsy32 · 13-08-2015 01:10PM

Aya Little Tail wrote: »

According to this article if you've previously played at fresher level you can't do so again, so maybe that means he's eligible for the Fitzgibbon Cup panel? There doesn't seem to be much else available on the rules with regards to eligibility of players available on the internet, which is a bit mad.

Yeah it's crazy considering the problems some colleges have had with ineligible players in the Sigerson recently.

Smith614 · 13-08-2015 01:42PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Your right and it shows again others cork have cover up mistakes of others

There was a statement meant come out criticism Cusack but apparently they know let it go as I'd love they critsed Cusack as they would really bite off more than they could chew and he'd really expose them

Cusack hasn't as much support as people think. Its easy mouth off on public platform.

thinkstoomuch1 · 13-08-2015 01:58PM

Smith614 wrote: »

Cusack hasn't as much support as people think. Its easy mouth off on public platform.

Fair points and yes lot things Cusack does that some don't like
I agree to a degree
However sometimes lost in reality is point he makes have substance and what he said cork was true

Cusack involved colmans cork county championship minor and does huge work off field also

I think while not lot support by some Cusack raises valid points and everything he said was true

The pairc apparently costs could be higher than ist thought
Cork sponsorship up this year and club funds you would wonder are the draw doing good enough etc
Lot of questions in cork gaa

0byme75341jo28 · 13-08-2015 04:29PM

Smith614 wrote: »

Cusack hasn't as much support as people think. Its easy mouth off on public platform.

Don't want to drag this into a debate about homophobia, but I've heard so many people dismissing his comments simply because of his sexuality and because "de gays are always stirring shit". I don't think anyone with any clue about Cork GAA could disagree with most of what he said tbh.

Smith614 · 13-08-2015 04:44PM

I might not agree with some of the stuff he rants about but I think he should be given the minor hurling managers job for 2016-2017. If he wants it.

thinkstoomuch1 · 13-08-2015 05:06PM

Smith614 wrote: »

I might not agree with some of the stuff he rants about but I think he should be given the minor hurling managers job for 2016-2017. If he wants it.

I would agree but I think a bit of contuinty wouldn't be bad in likes dwyer or pat Hartnett be ideal to be part the set up
Fergsl Ryan rockies doing okay

John gardiner doing good coach in early part and yes lot to learn but beat glen and tomas mulchay with them at under twenty one
Cusack pat mulchay and Hartnett or dwyer from this set up be fine

I wouldn't have problems with ring again but I see your point it's results driven
However give me ring any and every day of the week over dwayne or the rock
Rock is unproven go in on he's own
Dwayne record schools club etc not anything to stand out at imo

They got beaten by the rockies at under twenty one other night but only when inspiration gunning full back went off such that three goals rockies scored and three points lead turned in huge loss second half

Gunning terrific player should be cork panel training next year
Relation full backs while I wouldn't be huge fan Tony leen coaching record Douglas credit due playing Kevin flahive full back senior against nemo
This guy said last year minor outstanding huge huge potential full back
Everything you want full back

Cork senior football next coach comes in needs live in moment but also have vision for the future in i said this two years ago cork once cadogan goes next two years of so have huge full back issues and likes flahive needs be training next year senior and while may not needed start in two years cork will need full back

Who ever football coach needs look hurling see huge issues full back had after the rock
The football is heading that way too but if flahive gets good coaching slowly introduction senior cork set up and not rushed imo cork have outstanding full back potential down line and Sean power who played forward senior Douglas also needs be panel in extended set up play under twenty one but where applicable play train with senior team
He's future corner back
Likes Cian kiely also half back
These all players that have that special x factor could be senior pretty soon but need the right transition period imo

CORKDOUBLE · 13-08-2015 05:49PM

I think that was one of the big problems with the out going management did not have it in them to develop young promising talent ...we need good setup now Cleary and good people with him...players like Kevin Crowley, Sean White, Sean Kiely , Michael O Laoire, Ian Maguire {played junior with Barrs the other night hope injury is not too serious} Alan and Stephen Cronin, Cathal Vaughan, Dan McEoin, Mark Sugrue massive game for Bandon Juniors last weekend ..like you said Kevin Flahive , Sean Powter , Sean Kiely and in time Michael Hurley ..they all need a very good coach to develop them onwards... next Tuesday night we will see what happens...

Hurleratheart · 13-08-2015 11:16PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

They got beaten by the rockies at under twenty one other night but only when inspiration gunning full back went off such that three goals rockies scored and three points lead turned in huge loss second half

gas man were you at it?

thinkstoomuch1 · 14-08-2015 11:21AM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

I think that was one of the big problems with the out going management did not have it in them to develop young promising talent ...we need good setup now Cleary and good people with him...players like Kevin Crowley, Sean White, Sean Kiely , Michael O Laoire, Ian Maguire {played junior with Barrs the other night hope injury is not too serious} Alan and Stephen Cronin, Cathal Vaughan, Dan McEoin, Mark Sugrue massive game for Bandon Juniors last weekend ..like you said Kevin Flahive , Sean Powter , Sean Kiely and in time Michael Hurley ..they all need a very good coach to develop them onwards... next Tuesday night we will see what happens...

The talent is definitely in cork absoultey to be a top four at least next year
Unlike the previous two year term where the management was poor and that's not anyway personal or unjustified criticism cuthbhertt but purely field play results and performance was utter shambles and lacked direction, consistently, the ability to recognise cork had problems in key areas and find coherent effective solution, the ability to understand the concepts of modern day half back play hugely different to man marking corner back and also have ruthless execution drop players tried and didn't performance many times before on and off the team

The defence was actually appalling and attack was one dimensions running game
These are all basic concepts imo with the level of options cork have once a good coach that actually knows what's he's doing can improve cork hugely in one year
Certainly at worst things will remain as is as I don't think Cork results can be poorer in looking at last two years they were poor and that's not an opinion but a fact when you look at the championship results
And I don't include moral victory like a draw against kerry or one point to mayo as anything to be applauding
I like many actually have higher expectation for cork football in to demand more simply as I think they can do better
A new management is needed but one with the right attuide as Cork football badly needs a change of attuide and none this nonsense we are cork we no given right be beating kerry etc winning more all ireland than one every twenty years

clerk · 14-08-2015 12:34PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

The talent is definitely in cork absoultey to be a top four at least next year

I think the talent is there for Cork to be 4th next ( if you count that as top 4 ? ) but without any chance of winning an All-Ireland. So we'll get to an All-Ireland Quarter or semi at best at lose.

We're more or less 4th anyway not after some of the shambles of some of the performances in the last 2 Years but we should be.

You could make a case for Tyrone or Monaghan being 4th but they're not that strong really. Sorry forgot Donegal.

There's basically 2 exceptional teams, a strong Mayo team with baggage and then there's Cork with baggage.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Cahalane going back playing football after the managerial changes and I certainly hope he does. I think he would be a big addition to the team.

Hopefully O'Connor stays on ? (which he might not ?) and if he does and Maguire is back fit we might actually have a proper midfield which is our biggest issue. The meltdown versus Kildare happened after O'Connor went off. We couldn't win a ball in midfield. You're not going to win a football match in Croke Park with zero fielding midfielders. It's not exactly rocket science, we simply didn't have the players on the Day.

Cuthbert has had way too much criticism in my opinion. We'll see what the players do next Year.

thinkstoomuch1 · 14-08-2015 01:53PM

clerk wrote: »

I think the talent is there for Cork to be 4th next ( if you count that as top 4 ? ) but without any chance of winning an All-Ireland. So we'll get to an All-Ireland Quarter or semi at best at lose.

We're more or less 4th anyway not after some of the shambles of some of the performances in the last 2 Years but we should be.

You could make a case for Tyrone or Monaghan being 4th but they're not that strong really. Sorry forgot Donegal.

There's basically 2 exceptional teams, a strong Mayo team with baggage and then there's Cork with baggage.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Cahalane going back playing football after the managerial changes and I certainly hope he does. I think he would be a big addition to the team.

Hopefully O'Connor stays on ? (which he might not ?) and if he does and Maguire is back fit we might actually have a proper midfield which is our biggest issue. The meltdown versus Kildare happened after O'Connor went off. We couldn't win a ball in midfield. You're not going to win a football match in Croke Park with zero fielding midfielders. It's not exactly rocket science, we simply didn't have the players on the Day.

Cuthbert has had way too much criticism in my opinion. We'll see what the players do next Year.

That's a load of nonsense with respect we didn't have the players

Those same core players beat kerry under twenty one regualrly kerry most those lads

This cork team we actually don't know how good they are as the coaching been very poor from day one from dualism shambles to no midfield to no game plan that were effective

How was critsim cuthbhertt unjustified

Who picked the selector to work with management
Who picked the team
Who coaches the team
Who dropped players despite playing good while others were poor get game after game

Who made the comments about mayo and ref before game last year
Who really showed no intent when he said cork all ireland final was v sligo last year
Who continued to pick players out position half forward half back half back corner

He tried about over twenty midfield pairing which was the essence of with playing half back corner back imo he had no understanding of basic concepts modern day football

He talked about root and branch review regards defence was poor all league he was working on it yet unfortunately after every league game championship and challenges v mayo armagh and Dublin and Galway I said defence as statics showed was not improving

Not one single change from the drawn game bar a enforced one and no change of tactics bar the running game
Dropped deane best midfield options imo off the panel before Kildare

This isn't having a go but purely on field play all of the above management had key role in and I said this after nearly most games which shows cork problems kept repeating itself

All the points I raised there's clear example to back it up

None of he's selection team was proven
Flangan outstanding trainee deserves huge credit bringing him in but fitness wasn't problem under Antrim coach last year

Cork lacked coaching directing in football skill not training

Firstly I wish alan o connor nothing but the best in he's come back and hope ccb support him every way he needs to be

However purely in modern midfield I think as kerry replay proved was easily marked and certainly not imo be team next year in he's great great player in he's day but Cork have to build for the future and need look at maguire but remains be seen if he's injury free dinneen deane kiely etc

And give leary a chance
He deserves a chance at least
Others got numerous chances

This year proved clearly cork were poorly coached and one off complacent kerry off day gave cork false pretence

All year cork performance were not great
So it's not the players weren't there it's more imo no proper game plan that had proper defence and attacking coach to make work

Cork had outstanding half back like great sullivan sexton etc and no doubt as players owe cork nothing on field play
But there no coaching before senior even at club clearly showed as the defence was poor and showed it was poorly coached as Cork had number back but no defined defensive role suit talents available

It will seem if cork have good coaching next year that improved and may come as huge surprise to some should that happens but not me as it will only further under line coaching was the problem the last two years

Mayo had fine win v Donegal but looked out on their feet as unlike cork had five hard games

I remain to be fully convinced by mayo this year
Donegal have fine coach and system but lot mileage and tired legs
Dublin and kerry will be always there
Galway next year will be coming
But Cork certainly can be up their challenge top four and in two years all ireland cork should aim for

We don't know how good cork can be in never senior last two years got proper coaching

The point was made here cork under twenty one haven't development recently but cleary hadn't them at senior
This year under twenty one team was good but injuries key players hindered them but only lost narrowly
Senior team needs not just management but full team of proven coaches
If clearly get the job cork will have that
And if cleary and English go in have no doubt certain players started won't start championship next year and imo a few won't even make the panel

This attuide that management got unfairly critsed imo is Cork county board view
Most to be fair while seemed blunt everything said regards cork managment were fully proven by results on the field
If clear examples can be given how some were unfair I'd like to see them

Sweeny and brolly and o se etc were spot on absoultey spot on
No one seems to mind when christy o connor who I do rate gave us this piece at start management term saying we had this awesome manager when it was clear as day and I said it then no record or any he's selection team prove this
Old attuide cork in say if it suits but not other wise is not doing cork gaa any favour at all imo to be fair

clerk · 14-08-2015 02:23PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

That's a load of nonsense with respect we didn't have the players

With respect I don't have all Day to read your entire post. But I will respond to your first sentence. I think you might be one of these people who thinks their opinion is more important that another's persons opinion.

l'll ask you a simple question, where we destroyed in MF in the Quarter after O'Connor went off. A yes/no or hopefully a short reply to that particular point would be great.

thinkstoomuch1 · 14-08-2015 02:58PM

The ccb meeting Tuesday should be interesting

thinkstoomuch1 · 14-08-2015 02:59PM

Club championship is now essential to cork this year to get winner who can challenge in munster

thinkstoomuch1 · 14-08-2015 03:03PM

clerk wrote: »

With respect I don't have all Day to read your entire post. But I will respond to your first sentence. I think you might be one of these people who thinks their opinion is more important that another's persons opinion.

l'll ask you a simple question, where we destroyed in MF in the Quarter after O'Connor went off. A yes/no or hopefully a short reply to that particular point would be great.

Well done you do what most do when they loose an argument or your post was proved to be flawed with no logic you attack the poster grammar style
You seem to be one these posters soon you loose debate you attack the style of posting
Debate the points it hold more value in my book

Any of the points I raised please debate and take your time, a week later even if you want to no problem

You may be the old school yes or no simplistic value which served cork gaa so well in the past but I apologise i try and give depth and logic to back up my answer as imo yes or no at times can be just lazy excuse prove a point

Was alan o connor reason cork lost to Kildare no he was not
Please allow me to give you details to prove other wise
For all the ball He won't he made no difference to defence cork being ripped apart or cork lack creative half forwards

At best he would increased cork ball winning but that is all
Kildare midfield are poor as kerry proved
If you think Kildare are the level that proves how good cork are your wrong wrong wrong
It proved how bad cork were
The ultimate test was the replay And kerry clearly targeted o cconnor

Now keep in mind also what would Dublin do to o connor
Do you think gavin wouldn't target him
I suggest you when you have time of course watch Dublin two years ago destroy him at midfield in Croke park
You may want to live on past glories but you would do well to keep in mind future what counts for cork hurling and football
I'd tried to keep this as short as I could for you but I do like to back up my post with logic so hopefully you will appreciate and understand this is reason for my long posts

dcrosskid · 14-08-2015 03:06PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Club championship is now essential to cork this year to get winner who can challenge in munster

Sars I presume are the most likely winners again this year? If so I cant see them winning Munster, they are a well balanced side but have no exceptional stand out players from what I have seen over the last 3 or 4 years. Newtownshandrum were the last great club side to come from Cork.

thinkstoomuch1 · 14-08-2015 03:19PM

dcrosskid wrote: »

Sars I presume are the most likely winners again this year? If so I cant see them winning Munster, they are a well balanced side but have no exceptional stand out players from what I have seen over the last 3 or 4 years. Newtownshandrum were the last great club side to come from Cork.

A disaster for cork should they win

Not faulting them in county is there be won and they can do what needs be but sars winning is pre match usual winter talk they learned lot past few years in munster and they will win it this year

But look Sarsfields average team in lot miles now and not good before and as good as they were couldn't win munster so if win county again shows problem cork have

Bar sullivan and Kearney no other option cork

Cian McCarthy good player not cork standard when he is excellent in matches shows standard gap

Midelton glen etc hopefully will beat them
Blackrock I wouldn't rule out and have regrouped well and I said it then foolish right them off after one loss
Murphy is a good coach

CORKDOUBLE · 14-08-2015 05:09PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

That's a load of nonsense with respect we didn't have the players

Those same core players beat kerry under twenty one regualrly kerry most those lads

This cork team we actually don't know how good they are as the coaching been very poor from day one from dualism shambles to no midfield to no game plan that were effective

How was critsim cuthbhertt unjustified

Who picked the selector to work with management
Who picked the team
Who coaches the team
Who dropped players despite playing good while others were poor get game after game

Who made the comments about mayo and ref before game last year
Who really showed no intent when he said cork all ireland final was v sligo last year
Who continued to pick players out position half forward half back half back corner

He tried about over twenty midfield pairing which was the essence of with playing half back corner back imo he had no understanding of basic concepts modern day football

He talked about root and branch review regards defence was poor all league he was working on it yet unfortunately after every league game championship and challenges v mayo armagh and Dublin and Galway I said defence as statics showed was not improving

Not one single change from the drawn game bar a enforced one and no change of tactics bar the running game
Dropped deane best midfield options imo off the panel before Kildare

This isn't having a go but purely on field play all of the above management had key role in and I said this after nearly most games which shows cork problems kept repeating itself

All the points I raised there's clear example to back it up

None of he's selection team was proven
Flangan outstanding trainee deserves huge credit bringing him in but fitness wasn't problem under Antrim coach last year

Cork lacked coaching directing in football skill not training

Firstly I wish alan o connor nothing but the best in he's come back and hope ccb support him every way he needs to be

However purely in modern midfield I think as kerry replay proved was easily marked and certainly not imo be team next year in he's great great player in he's day but Cork have to build for the future and need look at maguire but remains be seen if he's injury free dinneen deane kiely etc

And give leary a chance
He deserves a chance at least
Others got numerous chances

This year proved clearly cork were poorly coached and one off complacent kerry off day gave cork false pretence

All year cork performance were not great
So it's not the players weren't there it's more imo no proper game plan that had proper defence and attacking coach to make work

Cork had outstanding half back like great sullivan sexton etc and no doubt as players owe cork nothing on field play
But there no coaching before senior even at club clearly showed as the defence was poor and showed it was poorly coached as Cork had number back but no defined defensive role suit talents available

It will seem if cork have good coaching next year that improved and may come as huge surprise to some should that happens but not me as it will only further under line coaching was the problem the last two years

Mayo had fine win v Donegal but looked out on their feet as unlike cork had five hard games

I remain to be fully convinced by mayo this year
Donegal have fine coach and system but lot mileage and tired legs
Dublin and kerry will be always there
Galway next year will be coming
But Cork certainly can be up their challenge top four and in two years all ireland cork should aim for

We don't know how good cork can be in never senior last two years got proper coaching

The point was made here cork under twenty one haven't development recently but cleary hadn't them at senior
This year under twenty one team was good but injuries key players hindered them but only lost narrowly
Senior team needs not just management but full team of proven coaches
If clearly get the job cork will have that
And if cleary and English go in have no doubt certain players started won't start championship next year and imo a few won't even make the panel

This attuide that management got unfairly critsed imo is Cork county board view
Most to be fair while seemed blunt everything said regards cork managment were fully proven by results on the field
If clear examples can be given how some were unfair I'd like to see them

Sweeny and brolly and o se etc were spot on absoultey spot on
No one seems to mind when christy o connor who I do rate gave us this piece at start management term saying we had this awesome manager when it was clear as day and I said it then no record or any he's selection team prove this
Old attuide cork in say if it suits but not other wise is not doing cork gaa any favour at all imo to be fair

Everything you say in that post is correct ...

CORKDOUBLE · 14-08-2015 05:10PM

I think Midleton and Castlehaven are the best chance of Munster Club glory for Cork this year....

clerk · 14-08-2015 09:25PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Well done you do what most do when they loose an argument or your post was proved to be flawed with no logic you attack the poster grammar style
You seem to be one these posters soon you loose debate you attack the style of posting
Debate the points it hold more value in my book

thinks...

I never mentioned your "grammar", your answers are very long winded so it's very hard to debate with you.

I asked you a simple question as far as I can tell you didn't answer it.

Cork footballers got to the last 16 this Year which is one step away from their level in my opinion the All-Ireland Quarter.

Two of my buddies know Cuthbert quite well and both of them tell me he is a sound fellow with a huge passion for the GAA.

We'll see how the players get on next Year with without Cuthbert. My money would be on an All-Ireland Quarter or semi at best. I think people in general need to move on from the Cuthbert excuses now that he stepped down.

You mentioned something about me losing an argument, this isn't an argument. it's a few posts on a discussion forum. If you disagree with me that's absolutely grand with me. You're entitled to your opinion. If loads of people disagree with me that's grand too. That's my opinion - it ain't going to change.

thinkstoomuch1 · 14-08-2015 09:47PM

clerk wrote: »

thinks...

I never mentioned your "grammar", your answers are very long winded so it's very hard to debate with you.

I asked you a simple question as far as I can tell you didn't answer it.

Cork footballers got to the last 16 this Year which is one step away from their level in my opinion the All-Ireland Quarter.

Two of my buddies know Cuthbert quite well and both of them tell me he is a sound fellow with a huge passion for the GAA.

We'll see how the players get on next Year with without Cuthbert. My money would be on an All-Ireland Quarter or semi at best. I think people in general need to move on from the Cuthbert excuses now that he stepped down.

You mentioned something about me losing an argument, this isn't an argument. it's a few posts on a discussion forum. If you disagree with me that's absolutely grand with me. You're entitled to your opinion. If loads of people disagree with me that's grand too. That's my opinion - it ain't going to change.

Fair points

I said this many times before cuthbhertt nobody can fault he's passion or commitment and I genuinely hope he's not lost to cork football as he's ideal for administration jobs as proven by he's blue print for development squads

He's another pro type of humphrey Kellher Dublin and cancel brennan of kk and Dublin respectively in poor coaches in that is not reflection on them in any way gaa related bar purely management but they excellent administration

Kellher blue print was brilliant for Dublin hurling and he's superb in that
Awful coach though such went around fifteen games with out win was sacked

Brennan poor coach went on greater things

Cooney Youghal isn't anything great as coach but was excellent in administration side gaa etc

All my point is horses for courses
I belive any cork man has role in gaa to play but should be role suit he's skill than rather job they want
Larry Tompkins or teddy mac's imo are poor coaching however they would be ideal go school promote games etc as their iconic figures

clerk · 14-08-2015 10:19PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Fair points

I said this many times before cuthbert nobody can fault he's passion or commitment and I genuinely hope he's not lost to cork football as he's ideal for administration jobs as proven by he's blue print for development squads

All my point is horses for courses
I belive any cork man has role in gaa to play but should be role suit he's skill than rather job they want
Larry Tompkins or teddy mac's imo are poor coaching however they would be ideal go school promote games etc as their iconic figures

I agree with you there and l hope he's lost to Cork GAA either but he was appointed manager by the CCB.

Don't be upsetting poor Larry now telling him him he's a poor coach, l've seen him in action a few times, l'd be running a mile.

Gary Neville · 14-08-2015 10:44PM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Everything you say in that post is correct ...

Definately makes some valid points but I didn''t think Deane was completely
back to his best and wouldn't have been a real option to me.

I wouldn't be that critical of Cuthbert for last season - he got some good performances from defenders like Cadogan, Loughrey, Barry O Driscoll, Cronin, BOD etc - I think he handled KOH pretty well too.

He deserves credit for bringing in AOC and Pat Flanagan too, IMO.

I hope we get in Cleary and English (If that's Cleary's choice) and that will probably illustrate whether Cuthbert was totally out of his depth.

TTM's general view wrt Cuthbert is hard to oppose however - as he was woefully inadequate in year 1 and that was not what we needed. He was appointed in preference to Cleary - an absolutely disgraceful decision - and he must take huge blame for the dual debacle which probably cost the footballers dearly.

thinkstoomuch1 · 15-08-2015 11:33AM

You're unbelievable with respect with your flip flopping regards cork managment that now you join this view they were poor, only weeks ago you were the same fella saying cork would beat kerry, cork would beat anyone country bar Dublin and indeed you were one hundred let's be crystal clear you were one hundred percent view cork lost kerry over weather and referee
All you wanted to hear was postive stuff
Fair enough fella might have view for management so it's easy to debate but you change tune so many times with respect cork managment hard to take anything you say seriously as one week your for them next week your not

As regards deane with respect yes your entitled to your opinion but imo you have been proven be way off all year and regards deane your talking absolute nononenss of the highest order
Have you seen him for club etc
Have you seen gould being so poor
At worst he's equal to gould

You say cuthbhertt deserves credit for loughrey
You are absoultey taking nonessential facts, he deserves total critsim playing half back man marker corner back and no no no despite one off game v kerry Barry o Driscoll not half back and deserve no credit playing half forward there
He has played cadogan at midfield so no credit due
Fair enough regards Brian o Driscoll however he then dropped him when shouldn't have and played him corner back v Kildare and also half back line too attack minded v kerry
You say yes brought Cronin in however he played him on Barry keane ist game v kerry and out position half back when should been corner back
Your still living off false dawns v kerry and you fail to see players you mentioned while played under him were hugely hindered by being played out of position

thinkstoomuch1 · 15-08-2015 11:35AM

Barrs v midelton tonight

thinkstoomuch1 · 15-08-2015 11:37AM

See in the paper today Chizende obegene outstanding for nemo under twenty one last night

Always been huge fan him
He has senior written all over him if he wants it and is coached properly

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