Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Horse84

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

I think that statement could have caused a fair rift in the executive if I'm honest, feels like a rogue member of the executive, or even Frank himself putting that statement out. Lane had already commentated on Cuthbert's statement, so there was no need for it, and it was embarrassing, as well as degrading to Fermanagh

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I saw that during the week. Do you know is it an additional position of is it replacing someone and what area will they be focusing on?

rebel girl 15

Horse84 wrote: »

I saw that during the week. Do you know is it an additional position of is it replacing someone and what area will they be focusing on?

No idea, but reckon they know already who is taking the job but legally they have to advertise it etc

clerk

Gary Neville wrote: »

The next CB meeting is on Tues Week (18th Aug) and I suppose they'll decide on a method to pick the football manager. John Corcoran suggested a bigger committee with 3 ex managers/players included with executie mems and delegates (might be a bit unwieldly)

Assuming they stick with the exisiting method (Sec, Chair, V Chair & 3 delegates) - You would hope that the Nemo and Castlehaven Delegates go for the committee as they have direct access to a few players. Nobody was bothered who went for it last time and as it was a controversial decision/process -maybe there won't be rush now either.

Lane and Kennedy will pick the best man - Would Frank be reluctant to pick Cleary as if he was successful, he's show him up - Is Frank that Machieavellian or does he care what anyone thinks ? Let's hope some of the club delegates are better prepared than last time.

The current method is basically the CCB pick the manager with a pretense towards democracy.

The last time the 3 CB members picked Cuthbert and the 3 club delegate's picked Cleary and Bob Ryan had the casting vote as Chairman.

So unless the following happens:
a) they change the process so that the CCB don't have an "actual" majority.
b) the CCB change a Century of thinking and don't all vote en bloc for the same candidate which is obviously an agreed policy,
it's don't matter whether the delegates are Nemo & Castlehaven or Timbuktu & Woolloomooloo.

thinkstoomuch1

clerk wrote: »

The current method is basically the CCB pick the manager with a pretense towards democracy.

The last time the 3 CB members picked Cuthbert and the 3 club delegate's picked Cleary and Bob Ryan had the casting vote as Chairman.

So unless the following happens:
a) they change the process so that the CCB don't have an "actual" majority.
b) the CCB change a Century of thinking and don't all vote en bloc for the same candidate which is obviously an agreed policy,
it's don't matter whether the delegates are Nemo & Castlehaven or Timbuktu & Woolloomooloo.

That's it exactly
The naivety among some fans is still hard to belive despite looking at cork history board shows always there men get the jobs

Smith614

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Better team won and in truth won well

Galway are coached by senior management and it was their b team in trained with senior


I'm still doubtful regards dwayne tactics while not doubting he's commitment but I said year two year judge as year one always huge ask and they got all ireland with a new team so done good however I certainly wouldn't be having him minor set up based on this as would need to convince more tactics wise but deserves credit for team getting final with new team and Cork panel never gave up and credit management players that


Cork correctly played a sweeper Collins but should started meade and indeed Ciarán o brien
The sweeper was right call but with wind cork should been more attacking but sweeper has be practiced more all cork team as Cork can play orthodox but new system takes time


There's few should be looked at for the seniors in Leahy won lot ball three points and Murphy looks strong won lot ball superb season club county

O Neill also
Darren driscoll showed good but like him and those and last year lads dennehy Spillane brother Cronin sullivan and o brien should be looked at next year at senior in trial games

Good year in won munster and got final new team but another loss cork hurling but truth be told Galway were always favourite with lot former senior and under twenty one lads and Cork always had tough ask

Leahy looks good prospect but needs coaching see like other can he progress

With all due respects Cork were pitiful especially in the second half. Thrown around the place like kids at times. Playing a sweeper and they down by 6-8 pts in second half showed a complete lack of balls to go for it. No real prospect on this team im afraid. 5 Players down the middle from Ballinhassig says enough. Laughable in fact.

thinkstoomuch1

Smith614 wrote: »

With all due respects Cork were pitiful especially in the second half. Thrown around the place like kids at times. Playing a sweeper and they down by 6-8 pts in second half showed a complete lack of balls to go for it. No real prospect on this team im afraid. 5 Players down the middle from Ballinhassig says enough. Laughable in fact.

I'd agree

Finn should not started at all o brien should have

McCarthy was good but Danny flynn charville should started but seemed fall out favour since he missed limerick game on holiday

O leary done well three points


I have concerns regards dwayne tactics and meelin lost another team he coached yesterday

By a point in a last minute declan Dalton goal won it
Yes meelin could be said limited resources but Liam Ryan won county he there different grade before


Would you rate dwayne and who would you like in the cork minor set up
I don't want the rock be manager would you

Who won the Munster cup game between newtownshandrum and Patrickswell do you know please yesterday

N20

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'd agree

Finn should not started at all o brien should have

McCarthy was good but Danny flynn charville should started but seemed fall out favour since he missed limerick game on holiday

O leary done well three points


I have concerns regards dwayne tactics and meelin lost another team he coached yesterday

By a point in a last minute declan Dalton goal won it
Yes meelin could be said limited resources but Liam Ryan won county he there different grade before


Would you rate dwayne and who would you like in the cork minor set up
I don't want the rock be manager would you

Who won the Munster cup game between newtownshandrum and Patrickswell do you know please yesterday

Newtown

thinkstoomuch1

N20 wrote: »

Newtown

By much they were both full strength were they
Both team were meant to play strong team

thinkstoomuch1

N20 wrote: »

Newtown

Thank you

N20

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

By much they were both full strength were they
Both team were meant to play strong team

Newtownshandrum 4:24 vs Patrickswell 0:22

Dont know details of game other than result - dont think Cian Lynch played tho

Good run out for Newtown - seem to be going well ahead of next round v blackrock

Gary Neville

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

I think that statement could have caused a fair rift in the executive if I'm honest, feels like a rogue member of the executive, or even Frank himself putting that statement out. Lane had already commentated on Cuthbert's statement, so there was no need for it, and it was embarrassing, as well as degrading to Fermanagh

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Looks like there is some disharmony in the Executive.

1. Some of the Executive took issue with T Kennedy for tweeting Cusack's criticism.

2. Someone resigned/threatened to resign (not known if connected to 1)

3. Controversial Statement issued (Examiner reported that it was prepared & issued by PRO) Looks like a solo run, rushed out on Bank Hol Mon in response to report in previous days Sindo by Eamon Sweeney that was v critical of Cuthbert.

4. Lane asked Examiner to clarify that Statement was not prepared by PRO (Edmond Forrest)

Moynihan has a source in Exec but that's probably dried up, to some extent - Frank will be livid with leak. My guess is that Frank is the author but how many of the other 12 Execs read a draft ? We don't know how the Exec functions but obviously they now have to show a united front.

thinkstoomuch1

Sarsfields winning well the weekend shows how poor the championship is and nothing against them but they regularly fail in munster despite fresh talk every year they turned a corner in munster

Gary Neville

sean mac wrote: »

Are these people not on the executive with the great kevin o Donovan who put out that outrageous statement during the week? have any of them gone against it? NO, why is there an assumption that they are differnet in any way to frank, pearse or bob?? people are being very naïve if they think the ccb have or are going to change in any way, ffs this same executive is still looking at putting out a statement attacking cusack........come on gary, the manager will be picked based on the old system of 3 members of the executive and 3 men from hurling clubs, as far as I know cleary is very reluctant to go forward based on 2 years ago and the fact that cork are not willing to spend the money ala other counties for essential training camps etc

We are all aware of the type of Chair and V Chair that Cusack labelled as Stooges and Yes Men (can't name here for obvious reasons)

I hope and think that Lane and Kennedy are much better but I can't be certain. I do know that Frank hasn't got the close relationship with Lane that he enjoyed with Ryan, O Sullivan and Dolan. I also know that Frank opposed Kennedy for VC but the clubs went for her - I was surprised as the Don had usually got his way. The Don's choice, R Murphy is of the 'traditional mould'

There are some good progessive people on the Exec now - K O Donovan (Coaching Officer) & Edmond Forrest (PRO) - The senior clubs man Pat Horgan is a good guy too but I don't know the other 3 club execs.

Even Frank's most entrenched supporters can't defend his dismal record in underage development and our abject failure at IC level.

I'd expect the clubs to be better prepared in selecting 3 lads for the selection committee, this evening next week. We'll see.

Smith614

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'd agree

Finn should not started at all o brien should have

McCarthy was good but Danny flynn charville should started but seemed fall out favour since he missed limerick game on holiday

O leary done well three points


I have concerns regards dwayne tactics and meelin lost another team he coached yesterday

By a point in a last minute declan Dalton goal won it
Yes meelin could be said limited resources but Liam Ryan won county he there different grade before


Would you rate dwayne and who would you like in the cork minor set up
I don't want the rock be manager would you

Who won the Munster cup game between newtownshandrum and Patrickswell do you know please yesterday

Patrickswell didntplay Cian Lynch and Byrnes the Limerick u21 captain only played first half. They will be dark horses in Limerick c/ship this yr. It was more like a training game, no tackling, intensity etc.
TBH I wouldn't leave RD near a cork minor hurling team. Its hard to know as there is no stand out individual. Some people still want Ring but in a results driven industry he failed in 2014 and 2015. I think the CCB should bite the bullet and Give Cusack and Pat Mul a chance to build a minor team. Probably wont happen but we'll have to wait and see.
O Leary played ok in intermediate final but was badly hooked on 2 occasions with goal at his mercy, not tidy enough for top level.
Danny Flynn only came back from hols. on the week of the match so could not really be considered after 6 weeks away from hurling.

sean mac

Gary Neville wrote: »

Looks like there is some disharmony in the Executive.

1. Some of the Executive took issue with T Kennedy for tweeting Cusack's criticism.

2. Someone resigned/threatened to resign (not known if connected to 1)

3. Controversial Statement issued (Examiner reported that it was prepared & issued by PRO) Looks like a solo run, rushed out on Bank Hol Mon in response to report in previous days Sindo by Eamon Sweeney that was v critical of Cuthbert.

4. Lane asked Examiner to clarify that Statement was not prepared by PRO (Edmond Forrest)

Moynihan has a source in Exec but that's probably dried up, to some extent - Frank will be livid with leak. My guess is that Frank is the author but how many of the other 12 Execs read a draft ? We don't know how the Exec functions but obviously they now have to show a united front.

Gary, you are being naïve if you think frank did all this on his own, totally unfair and not credible. There are 13 members of the executive, it would have been quite easy for lane to say the statement had not been authorised, mistake etc but he did NOT, despite contacting the examiner TWICE in relation to it.
There is not one sign of 'disharmony' amongst the executive, not an ounce, if someone didn't believe in the statement simply say it, or better still take a stand and resign if it is not retracted or amended...........any sign???

TTM, very worried if that is the minor hurling set up for next year, unproven at any level imo, if your right about the football set up great news. Your PM is full

ballbag05

Spotted Denis Ring at a P2 minor match last Thursday night in Delaney's with another guy, they stayed for 40 mins. Surely impressed by 17 yr old Josh Beausangs 2-11 for a Donal Og coached St Colmans.

thinkstoomuch1

ballbag05 wrote: »

Spotted Denis Ring at a P2 minor match last Thursday night in Delaney's with another guy, they stayed for 40 mins. Surely impressed by 17 yr old Josh Beausangs 2-11 for a Donal Og coached St Colmans.

He was at the glen under sixteen game v ns pairdsigh also I'm told

willietherock

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

He was at the glen under sixteen game v ns pairdsigh also I'm told

Side by side with John Dywer.

Some serious talent in the U16 premier final, namely JAIME Corkery, Owen O'Neill of the Glen and Hannifin and Evan Sheehan for NaP.

Cork beat Dublin easily in Kilworth in an U16 challenge but didn't have one decent ball winning forward on show.

N20

few rumours floating around about JBM !

any truth?

zetecescort

N20 wrote: »

few rumours floating around about JBM !

any truth?

tell us more. will he be the next Secretary of the CCB?

commonsense.

N20 wrote:

few rumours floating around about JBM !

any truth?

Yeah, as expected, has stepped down by all accounts.

Horse84

Nial mac will be playing fitzgibbon cup next year with ucc

Pos087

Horse84 wrote: »

Nial mac will be playing fitzgibbon cup next year with ucc

We could do with a few Nial Macs on the cork team now.

I be gutted if jbm leaves. I wouldn't be surprised if #heowesusnothing trends.

ShamoBuc

Reports of Tomás Mulcahy taking over, nothing official yet.

Straight Talker

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Reports of Tomás Mulcahy taking over, nothing official yet.

I hope that's not true although be it Tomas or whoever if JBM does leave Frank will have a stooge lined up to replace him.We can't be having people demanding money for this and that with regards to the training and preparation of our intercounty squads when we have a monument to build.

N20

Nothing confirmed re JBM maybe just a curve ball to deflect CCBs ongoing issues

Outside of 5 or 6 top players i dont think this current group are going anywhere fast - they have done well the last few years under JBM given the talent available

Minor /21 need to be developed to try to make up ground lost - thats where the potential lies

rebel girl 15

Horse84 wrote: »

Nial mac will be playing fitzgibbon cup next year with ucc

Doing the same course as clubmate Noel Furlong did - can Freshers play Fitzgibbon?

rebel girl 15

The more I think about this JBM rumour, the less likely I think it to be true. Mulcahy being lined up as a replacement is against the so called protocol that they have for appointing managers

rebel girl 15

This could explain things

The Cork County Board executive this morning confirmed they issued a note of clarification to referee Pádraig Hughes for suggesting the Armagh official cost them an All-Ireland semi-final berth.

The note was issued to the referees committee in Croke Park and passed on to the Armagh whistler last week. “It was unfortunate that part of the statement issued in support of the retired manager Brian Cuthbert was interpreted as criticism of the referee,” said Cork PRO Edmond Forrest. “That was never our intention.” Hughes took charge of the drawn Cork-Kerry Munster football final in which he awarded the Kingdom a controversial second-half penalty for a Mark Collins challenge on James O’Donoghue.

In a statement issued by the Cork executive on Monday, August 3, one month after the game, top-brass claimed “It is quite probable that but for a totally wrong refereeing decision in that game, Cork would now be in an All-Ireland semi-final”.

Figsy32

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Doing the same course as clubmate Noel Furlong did - can Freshers play Fitzgibbon?

No, they can't. Might be different for a mature student?