Cork GAA Discussion Thread

ShamoBuc

Gary Neville wrote: »

I think that we'd have won that game if Cuthbert was the manager too.

I thought the statement by the CB was absolutely spot on. That's the kind of straight talking we need. We said nothing about Reilly last year and he went on to screw Mayo in the Semi.

We could be going for 2 in a row but for Reilly and Hughes. Fermanagh and Pete McGrath might be a bit peeved but they'll get over it - The CB might be populated by stooges and yes men but their glass is half full. Good on 'em.

Not even sure where to start!

corkgeal

As a cork supporter I am embarrassed by this statement. It would be great if all cork supporters wrote to the county board to express their feeling regarding this statement and the ongoing behaviour of the county board. I will be proposing that my club delegate formally disassociate our club from this statement at the next county board meeting.

commonsense.

Gary Neville wrote:

I thought the statement by the CB was absolutely spot on. That's the kind of straight talking we need. We said nothing about Reilly last year and he went on to screw Mayo in the Semi.

How many years have you stayed back now?

Gary Neville

corkgeal wrote: »

As a cork supporter I am embarrassed by this statement. It would be great if all cork supporters wrote to the county board to express their feeling regarding this statement and the ongoing behaviour of the county board. I will be proposing that my club delegate formally disassociate our club from this statement at the next county board meeting.

Good luck with that one. The next meeting is a fortnight Tues. You'll have to call an EGM in your club and you're tight on time IMO.

Gary Neville

commonsense. wrote: »

How many years have you stayed back now?

Just the one - but I'm hoping for better things next year.

I can't see what the fuss is all about - even FitzMaurice agrees that we woz robbed.

As for saying we'd have made the semi - there would be no point in us playing Fermanagh if we didn't think we were going to win. We'd have beaten Monaghan too and ambushed Kerry or Dublin in the final. Who's to say we wouldn't.

I'm not in the slighest bit bothered about what the other counties think - We've carried them long enough and maybe it's time to secede and elevate the club c'ship to national status.

SomeFool

Gary Neville wrote: »

I think that we'd have won that game if Cuthbert was the manager too.

I thought the statement by the CB was absolutely spot on. That's the kind of straight talking we need. We said nothing about Reilly last year and he went on to screw Mayo in the Semi.

We could be going for 2 in a row but for Reilly and Hughes. Fermanagh and Pete McGrath might be a bit peeved but they'll get over it - The CB might be populated by stooges and yes men but their glass is half full. Good on 'em.

You probably have the attitude, not the glic though,
Job available training ye're footballers if you want to sign up

Figsy32

Gary Neville wrote: »

Just the one - but I'm hoping for better things next year.

I can't see what the fuss is all about - even FitzMaurice agrees that we woz robbed.

As for saying we'd have made the semi - there would be no point in us playing Fermanagh if we didn't think we were going to win. We'd have beaten Monaghan too and ambushed Kerry or Dublin in the final. Who's to say we wouldn't.

I'm not in the slighest bit bothered about what the other counties think - We've carried them long enough and maybe it's time to secede and elevate the club c'ship to national status.

We weren't robbed though. Yes it wasn't a penalty. 99% of people agree with that. But don't forget Geaney was denied a stone wall penalty afterwards as well as Mark Collins taking a questionable amount of steps for our first goal.

Most of all though, we were a point up in injury time with easy possession from a 45 and we managed to give it away. The second day we lost to a much better team.

That's not Hughes' fault, that's not the weather's fault. That's Cork's fault.

It's a bitter and disrespectful statement to both Kerry and Fermanagh and it's rightfully getting torn to shreds by most people.

Boom__Boom

Comments from Cleary about the job

http://www.the42.ie/john-cleary-cork-2-2251041-Aug2015/

Doesn't exactly sound as if he's 100% he wants the job yet.

Also the stuff about online criticism doesn't exactly strike the greatest note to me. Obviously some stuff can go overboard but the vast majority of online stuff generally tends to be fairly balanced. Wouldn't it be a lot worse for Cork GAA if no-one was a bit bothered about results/performances?

corkgeal

Gary Neville wrote: »

Good luck with that one. The next meeting is a fortnight Tues. You'll have to call an EGM in your club and you're tight on time IMO.

No need for an EGM. We have a club committee meeting Thursday night and the committee could ask our delegate to make our feelings known at the county board meeting next week. All clubs should be give their opinion on this as the statement issued by the CB reflects on all clubs in Cork because the CB is (in theory) representing all clubs. In effect the CB are allegedly speaking on our behalf.

thinkstoomuch1

http://munster.gaa.ie/2010/07/24/all-ireland-senior-football-championship-qualifiers-round-4-cork-v-limerick/


Eaten bread is soon forgotten it seems
The irony of it all

Looks at the same referee here was same ref v kerry
Cork didn't have problems Hughes then
Now if limerick beat Cork would been with respect One off
Would limerick beaten Dublin etc no they wouldn't and none fans thought so
This was one off game like Cork v kerry
Did limerick give ccb statement after it like Cork

Also we don't hear Brian cody kk county board issuing statement that cork were lucky when be fair referee played no injury time 1999 v kk

Kk know lost that game huge wides second half took their beating
Also exhaustive weather conditions were there that day kk didn't say word


All if and buts from board showed up real problem cork gaa has and anyone that critsed on field performance accused having agenda or going over board
If you can't questions performance and results and management like other counties why bother going games then
It means you go games yet you have say nothing
It's usual stuff some say ah it's personal

Lot critsim on managment has been fair on performance and justified in media
Yes cork were accused rudder less appalling etc
But on field hard disagree
Other counties have got same critsim

This stuff about management been ameauteaur unpaid yes true but Cork critsed mayo last year and referee and there all unpaid
Seriously it's case one rule others one cork and makes cork look bad


If we do this if and buts scenario then all things been fair equal limerick can say should beaten cork as hit post also and should been all ireland champions
But no that is not based on logic


If they expect there reasoning be taken seriously imo then actually putting a negative on Cork being all ireland champions as limerick can point to same excuses cork can to a point


Cork got penalty decisions in past with them hurling and football other ones so Cork are now open other counties suffered hands cork saying Cork wins can't be taken face value


Nothing about fact kerry had four key players stating the replay And wasn't real kerry

Cork are talk of the country again off field when shouldn't be
Yes referee made bad call you highlights it move on

Did sean Hayes etc get ccb statement saying Nolan who robbed cork under twenty one v roscommon

No and Cork won no guarantee beaten Dublin all ireland final

Hayes refused blame missing key players munster final defeat tippeary this year
Ryan refused blame tired bodies Kildare humiliation

Cork blame everything bar looking what could control


I think sunday independent headline was just admit ye got it wrong or something like that in relation to cork managment appointment

Day later cork county board do the opposite

thinkstoomuch1

Well done to cork ladies yesterday v meath

thinkstoomuch1

Good weekend for Carrigteohill and glen in hurling
All eyes now on the county scene
Cork needs a winner than can do well in munster

thinkstoomuch1

zetecescort wrote: »

desperate unfortunate news about Stephen Cronin. get well soon

http://www.the42.ie/stephen-cronin-cork-nemo-rnagers-football-injury-2250908-Aug2015/

Best luck to Stephen a superb player and hopefully he will recover fast

The_Banker

As a long standing Cork supporter I am ashamed at that statement....

It shows the mindset of the Cork Couty Board and the 'leader'.

youngbob

The_Banker wrote: »

As a long standing Cork supporter I am ashamed at that statement....

It shows the mindset of the Cork Couty Board and the 'leader'.

CCB should accept ref made a wrong call(mistake). If a Cork player made a mistake which led to a goal would CCB come out a game later and blame that player. CCB have stooped to a new low. Who is advising them?

Boom__Boom

Apparently the budget for the new Pairc ui Chaoimh is going to have to be doubled, because there is going to have to be a roof put on as Cork can't play in the rain anymore. :D:D

Gary Neville

I assume that BM's realise that my posts on the statement were tongue-in-cheek.

AFAIK Ger Lane (Chairman of CCB) had already issued the standard statement after Cuthbert stepped down. It's hard to understand why the Executive felt the need for another statement. Did they want to support Brian Cuthbert or the decision to pick him in the first place?

It's irrelevant now - because the Executive of CCB are never held to account. They might get a small fine and a slap on the wrist from HQ (they can deduct the fine from the stadium grant) but that's it. The clubs won't be too bothered. All the furore will have died down in a fortnight anyway.

keep going

Right we had alot of personality driven comment about cork gaa but I havent seen proposals for what reorganisation should take place, by that I mean championship , leagues, club,underage,development squad's, schools, not who should manage what team

clerk

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Apparently the budget for the new Pairc ui Chaoimh is going to have to be doubled, because there is going to have to be a roof put on as Cork can't play in the rain anymore. :D:D

We'll be alright, apparently the CCB think we can beat teams without even turning up so we won't even need a stadium to get to the All-Ireland semi next Year.

zetecescort

Competition: All Ireland Intermediate Hurling Final

Fixture: Cork v Galway

When: Saturday August 8th at 7:00pm

Where: Gaelic Grounds, Limerick

Referee: Fergal Horgan

ET playable

Cork Intermediate Hurling team for Saturday is -
1 Padge Buckley (Mallow)

2 Barra Ó Tuama (Castlemartyr)

3 Ed Finn (Ballinhassig)

4 Greg Murphy (Newcestown)

5 Kevin Kavanagh (Carrigaline) Capt

6 Donnocha O’Donovan (Ballinhassig)

7 Tomas Lawerence (Brian Dillons)

8 Kevin O’Neill (Watergrasshill)

9 Shane McCarthy (Ballinhassig)

10 Willie Leahy (Aghada)

11 Michael Collins (Ballinhassig)

12 Tony Murphy (Carrigaline)

13 Noel McNamara (Kilworth)

14 Fintan O’Leary (Ballinhassig)

15 Darren O’Driscoll (Carrigtwohill)

Subs:

16 Stephen O’Sullivan (Meelin)

17 Paudie Butler (Argideen Rangers)

18 Brendan Weathers (Banteer)

19 Ciaran O’Brien (St Itas)

20 Martin Brennan (Fermoy)

21 Luke Meade (Newcestown)

22 John Sheehan (Argideen Rangers)

23 Andrew Cagney (Charleville)

24 Aaron Sheehan (Mallow)

Extended panel

Danny Flynn (Charleville)

Killian O’Connor (Mallow)

Jack Buckley (Charleville)

Donal Hannon (Newmarket)

Kieran Sheahan (Kilbrin)

Pa Herlihy (Mallow)

Selectors: Ronan Dwane (Aghada) - Manager, Peter Brennan (Ballinhassig), Jerry Lenihan (Inniscarra), Pat O’Connell (Delany Rovers), Ronan Sheehan (Mallow).

Medical Officer: Dr Paddy Burke. Physiotherapists: Kieran Linehan, Michelle Twomey.

rebel girl 15

keep going wrote: »

Right we had alot of personality driven comment about cork gaa but I havent seen proposals for what reorganisation should take place, by that I mean championship , leagues, club,underage,development squad's, schools, not who should manage what team

There should be some sort of strategic plan on the website afaik, whether targets are being hit is another one!

youngbob

zetecescort wrote: »

Competition: All Ireland Intermediate Hurling Final

Fixture: Cork v Galway

When: Saturday August 8th at 7:00pm

Where: Gaelic Grounds, Limerick

Referee: Fergal Horgan

ET playable

Cork Intermediate Hurling team for Saturday is -
1 Padge Buckley (Mallow)

2 Barra Ó Tuama (Castlemartyr)

3 Ed Finn (Ballinhassig)

4 Greg Murphy (Newcestown)

5 Kevin Kavanagh (Carrigaline) Capt

6 Donnocha O’Donovan (Ballinhassig)

7 Tomas Lawerence (Brian Dillons)

8 Kevin O’Neill (Watergrasshill)

9 Shane McCarthy (Ballinhassig)

10 Willie Leahy (Aghada)

11 Michael Collins (Ballinhassig)

12 Tony Murphy (Carrigaline)

13 Noel McNamara (Kilworth)

14 Fintan O’Leary (Ballinhassig)

15 Darren O’Driscoll (Carrigtwohill)

Subs:

16 Stephen O’Sullivan (Meelin)

17 Paudie Butler (Argideen Rangers)

18 Brendan Weathers (Banteer)

19 Ciaran O’Brien (St Itas)

20 Martin Brennan (Fermoy)

21 Luke Meade (Newcestown)

22 John Sheehan (Argideen Rangers)

23 Andrew Cagney (Charleville)

24 Aaron Sheehan (Mallow)

Extended panel

Danny Flynn (Charleville)

Killian O’Connor (Mallow)

Jack Buckley (Charleville)

Donal Hannon (Newmarket)

Kieran Sheahan (Kilbrin)

Pa Herlihy (Mallow)

Selectors: Ronan Dwane (Aghada) - Manager, Peter Brennan (Ballinhassig), Jerry Lenihan (Inniscarra), Pat O’Connell (Delany Rovers), Ronan Sheehan (Mallow).

Medical Officer: Dr Paddy Burke. Physiotherapists: Kieran Linehan, Michelle Twomey.

How does Darren O Driscoll qualify to play when he played senior for club last week. Was he not playing for Carrigtwohill seniors last year?

keep going

Seeing as nobody has any idea what to do with cork gaa other than personalise it, ill throw another one in.have a scholarship or a grant scheme for good gaa players to encourage them into the teaching profession.sending coaching into schools wont work unless you have someone in place day in day out with a strong interest in gaa and make no mistake the schools are the secret to sucess.maybe there is something similar in place already but it needs to be expanded and being sexist but it is fact we have not enough male s going into teaching

thinkstoomuch1

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

There should be some sort of strategic plan on the website afaik, whether targets are being hit is another one!

That's it exactly there was a five year plan set from 2010 to 2015 but like you said targets are primarily the goal and you would wonder were they met, and people with view more we get playing etc will work and more games doesn't bear fruit when cork hurling scene standard club is poor and having an increase in games and numbers playing won't change it on its own

Coaches have to be good to develop the skills sets and then you get comprehensive competitive games
Coaches are paramount from every level up to be good in if you have good minor coach but poor at under twenty one the development mode just takes one step forward ten step back

Like you said before cork ladies build their success on under age

Cork having huge number at cul camp is great but numbers increase isn't enough to say cork will turn the corner in they must have quality coaching at every level

The minor ladies the skills were good in most areas and once nerves were gone their shooting improved
It was clear that they were a well coached team as they from start to finish dominated a good Galway team
Cork under standable so we're nervous but once they settled they were unstoppable
Most teams in any level that win have clear signs they were coached well
Fermanagh in the men's game lost but they were well coached as with the resources available they were as good as In reality they could be
No surprise either as the well proven all ireland coach Pete McGrath was with them

thinkstoomuch1

keep going wrote: »

Seeing as nobody has any idea what to do with cork gaa other than personalise it, ill throw another one in.have a scholarship or a grant scheme for good gaa players to encourage them into the teaching profession.sending coaching into schools wont work unless you have someone in place day in day out with a strong interest in gaa and make no mistake the schools are the secret to sucess.maybe there is something similar in place already but it needs to be expanded and being sexist but it is fact we have not enough male s going into teaching

That has absoultey nothing to do with it
Women have every right to share equality coaching same men and fine women out there coaching
You want what government to put mandate in to reduce women number teaching and more men just cork sake is what your actually saying
With respect that's ridiculous statement and master class irony in you accuse thread personalition just cause they judge manager on field play yet you saying women should be out numbered by men teaching

Men and women number in teaching have nothing to do with it
Getting the right people involved is key
Cuthbhert was a teacher and didn't make him successful coach
Yes majority coaches are teachers doesn't mean it has be male dominant professional help team
Professional style isn't problem once candidates are good coaches




You also seem to forget your adding huge work load already demanding position teachers in expecting them carry can when I'm sorry now but Cork need gdo who are qualified coaches ex players to go school not teachers

Your concept is right in a way but it's where gdo come in

Colmans Hamilton improved from Noel Crowley work
Yes teachers have role but they need help and more gdo visit school as way gain interest is ex players that qualified coaches go school
Cork doing this but don't have enough is the problem

ciarriaithuaidh

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

That's it exactly there was a five year plan set from 2010 to 2015 but like you said targets are primarily the goal and you would wonder were they met, and people with view more we get playing etc will work and more games doesn't bear fruit when cork hurling scene standard club is poor and having an increase in games and numbers playing won't change it on its own

Coaches have to be good to develop the skills sets and then you get comprehensive competitive games
Coaches are paramount from every level up to be good in if you have good minor coach but poor at under twenty one the development mode just takes one step forward ten step back

Like you said before cork ladies build their success on under age

Cork having huge number at cul camp is great but numbers increase isn't enough to say cork will turn the corner in they must have quality coaching at every level

The minor ladies the skills were good in most areas and once nerves were gone their shooting improved
It was clear that they were a well coached team as they from start to finish dominated a good Galway team
Cork under standable so we're nervous but once they settled they were unstoppable
Most teams in any level that win have clear signs they were coached well
Fermanagh in the men's game lost but they were well coached as with the resources available they were as good as In reality they could be
No surprise either as the well proven all ireland coach Pete McGrath was with them

This is a very good paragraph and I agree entirely with it TTM.

I have to ask then though, some of the management figures you seem to be a big fan of, the current Cork under 21 football managment for example, I have in no way seen any real coaching/skill improvement or development with them. Fitness, yes. Good motivation, yes. Strength, yes. But skills being developed, no. And it's this that is consistently catching out the Cork under 21 teams when they get out of Munster, or even v Tipperary as happened this year.
Aidan Walsh was 5/6 years involved with under 21 and Senior football setups in Cork. (Involving Cleary, Counihan, Cuthbert etc). How much did his kicking improve in that time? How much did Anthony Maher's, Michael Dara McAuley's or Neil Galagher's kicking improve in the same timeframe? And I would say none of them were starting from the natural base Walsh did.

wackokid

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

This is a very good paragraph and I agree entirely with it TTM.

I have to ask then though, some of the management figures you seem to be a big fan of, the current Cork under 21 football managment for example, I have in no way seen any real coaching/skill improvement or development with them. Fitness, yes. Good motivation, yes. Strength, yes. But skills being developed, no. And it's this that is consistently catching out the Cork under 21 teams when they get out of Munster, or even v Tipperary as happened this year.
Aidan Walsh was 5/6 years involved with under 21 and Senior football setups in Cork. (Involving Cleary, Counihan, Cuthbert etc). How much did his kicking improve in that time? How much did Anthony Maher's, Michael Dara McAuley's or Neil Galagher's kicking improve in the same timeframe? And I would say none of them were starting from the natural base Walsh did.

How many teams did any of those three lads play for while under age?
Not that Walsh was ever a great hurler but he spent at least 50% of his time hurling with different teams at several levels. The three lads you highlight wouldn't know which end of a hurley to hold.
That IMHO is now and always was the problem with Cork SENIOR footballers but it's more pronounced now that many other counties are professional gaelic footballers in everything but name.
Cork are unlikely to change unless the mindset of the clubs change which is
unlikely.

keep going

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

That has absoultey nothing to do with it
Women have every right to share equality coaching same men and fine women out there coaching
You want what government to put mandate in to reduce women number teaching and more men just cork sake is what your actually saying
With respect that's ridiculous statement and master class irony in you accuse thread personalition just cause they judge manager on field play yet you saying women should be out numbered by men teaching

Men and women number in teaching have nothing to do with it
Getting the right people involved is key
Cuthbhert was a teacher and didn't make him successful coach
Yes majority coaches are teachers doesn't mean it has be male dominant professional help team
Professional style isn't problem once candidates are good coaches




You also seem to forget your adding huge work load already demanding position teachers in expecting them carry can when I'm sorry now but Cork need gdo who are qualified coaches ex players to go school not teachers

Your concept is right in a way but it's where gdo come in

Colmans Hamilton improved from Noel Crowley work
Yes teachers have role but they need help and more gdo visit school as way gain interest is ex players that qualified coaches go school
Cork doing this but don't have enough is the problem

Ok I lead you on another bit, coaching the players is only one side of it, your are also starting off coaches who may develope into senior coaches in a less pressured environment. If they never coached a team its helpful to have a pro gaa principle in a school as for wether a teacher is male or f3male makes no difference but an undeniable fact is areas that have a principle in a school who is gaa orientated have higher participation levells and greater success.
Who said damn all about the government putting some directive in place to favour male teachers.anyone involved in teaching will tell you young teachers who are gaa personality s are hot property in the teaching world .the problem is there isnt enough of them but schools often favour employing them.with respect outside coaches going in will not be able to mould and build sucessfull teams without constantly being in the environment, even if you did have a very good outside coach coming inthey still need someone on the ground driving the thing on.its a simple thing as they say in hurling...it must be in the hand every day and around the table every night.

Smith614

If the school principal is anti Gaa or anti sport then things are going to suffer. One of my local primary schools has a principal more interested in Irish culture than sport and it is a disaster for local club. He doesn't allow coaching during school hrs. He is a clown but it's his way and that's it. The last few teacher appointments in the school were all women with zero sports interest. Like it or not but it is a problem.

equivariant

Smith614 wrote: »

If the school principal is anti Gaa or anti sport then things are going to suffer. One of my local primary schools has a principal more interested in Irish culture than sport and it is a disaster for local club. He doesn't allow coaching during school hrs. He is a clown but it's his way and that's it. The last few teacher appointments in the school were all women with zero sports interest. Like it or not but it is a problem.

Lol. Imagine a teacher more interested in culture than sport! Sack the clown. What the hell does he think schools are for anyway?