Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Stoner wrote: »

Great post Boom Boom. I want to highlight a couple of things before I head back to the general forum.

I think the league is an excellent competition. However if you look at some of the more impressive Cork wins.

Firstly the win against Dublin, it was the poorest squad we'd seen up to that. There was nobody on the bench. It was a deserved win but a poor Dublin side.

Kerry didn't want to know.

On the second game v Donegal they didn't want to know, their supporters seemed to not want the game as they have such a small squad and were focused on the championship.

Monaghan , Mayo and Tyrone were two good results, but there there or four wins were where the opposition were blooding too many new players .

My position that Kerry wanted a wake up call in the first game and how they went about getting it were possibly correctly called crazy here. However I stand by my thoughts that TOS deliberately got the Cork lads backs up. Kerry would rather have lost a tough game against Cork than win a handy game, their eye is on the AI and we saw the real Kerry on Sunday

Wrt to Masterclass in management, I think Fitzmaurice made some excellent changes, Cork made none. When the two boys couldn't get the ball inside nothing significant was changed to address it.
I didn't see any masterclass from O'Rourke. He selected a team that we expected, they picked up who we thought they'd pick up. They were in better shape and deserved it, nearly lost it in the end they were flat out and beginning to look a little lost. Had McBreartys point gone over at the end the decisson to leave Clerkin off for so long could have come back on him.

But Cork have the players to do better IMHO. I know O'Connor played very well when he came back for the first game. But he is no more mobile now than when he was when he left two years ago. He should definitely be around the squad, just like Clerkin is , playing some, close out sub for some games but the top teams know how to nullify him a good bit now IMHO. Bringing him back as a starting option was a bit of a bandaid move.
It appears from the outside to need a shake up , new ideas, interest from the county and a bit more of the famous Cork cuteness on the line.

Good luck lads. ðŸ‘

Tip top post spot on

I said this after may league games
I'm glad we have outside posters saying it as when I say it apparently I have agenda

When kerry Dublin man calls it clear dawn break day problem cork have seen by many
Problems imo cork can see it too they just don't want to

Best of luck in the hurling sunday

i hope cork fans aren't getting carried away with themselves. we played well in 1st half against Wex then fell asleep in 2nd half. we played well in 2nd half the last day. from here on in nothing but a 70min performance will get us over the line. we have a good chance of a win but if galway hit form they could turn us over. i hope there is 1 change in the starting XV & Jamie comes in, then Cads can be used as a sub in the FF line where he'd be more effective than Moylan or Sully. it will be interesting to see how Cork will line up if galway go with 6 forwards. will Lawton drop deep & pull back Cooper who seems to thrive playing further from goals and links up better with the forwards especially Hoggie

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

There's validity to what you stay cork could be stale and lethargic after Saturday
Kildare go behind early one one winners
They get lead difficult cork but open spaces will suit Cork in Kildare defence poor
Individuals will win this game as none two teams great effective system and Collins kelly doc hurley due huge game colm Brian Barry driscoll will flourish here in can attack all night long but won't get chance v Dublin attack so Cork imo too much


You pick strongest team but you have to keep mind your facing Dublin so changes have been made now

Ken
Shields
Sullivan or cadogan rest cadogan
Cronin
Loughrey
Clancy
Kevin Driscoll
Deane
O connor on basis rourke is out only
Brian Driscoll
Collins
Kelly
Donnacha
Hurley
Colm


Kelly sweeper
Collins second one but further up field
Donnacha role sheehan and sullivan played kerry last year
Cork need watch monaghan football least ten times
Just watch the game management need do
Even short space ball nearly always kicked as ball moved faster kick than methodical slow laboured back pass


Cork have half forward line with Brian Driscoll real Brian dooher in can defend has engine run back allowed get forward more can score points could easily score three points play or running from deep get goal
Much better than kerrigan in he's equal kerrigan pace better long distance kicker but won't run in cul de sacs


Picking pass fort yards vary angle attack with movement in kicking is he's special skills plus he's creative mind and decision making better kerrigan who bar goal great was ran traffic all day
Kerrigan is runner and hand passes where Driscoll has every box ticked can do it all


Kerrigan bring on game opens up
Ist game drawn game Driscoll out corner boxed in four kerry lads
Any other cork player hand passed
He kicked sublime pass forty yards across field split open kerry lack numbers cork got point


Two things he had
He had the vision and spatial awareness with the balls ruthless conviction with skill set pull it off

He had the accuracy and composure and ability see pass many wouldn't
The Paul Scholes of cork with Paddy kelly
He has be ten as game cried out him there in can't be on back foot as tracking half forward he can roam and defender has go with him


As holdings centre back he can't attack much he wants to
Barry driscoll may seem harsh but good going forward not defender as proved replay
So comes down to Barry as half forward and imo cork have better options not Barry is bad player just Brian ticks every box

Kevin would be ideal defender as works hard loved physical game but freedom not attack as not long scorer and play he's strength not he's weak ness


Kerry it should be remembered players have weak areas like o mahony is no pace sheehan too slow keane no guile Murphy not physically strong big man but unlike cork never exposed as always played in position that work to their strengths and negate their weak ness

I completely agree with your point about Cork looking at the video of Monaghan v Donegal game time and time again. As McGuinness pointed out, Monaghan knew exactly how Donegal would set up and drew up a perfect plan to counter this. The fact that Donegal started so well but Monaghan didn't panic and stuck to their plan - shows the confidence in O Rourke.

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/friday-profile-malachy-orourke-up-on-the-highwire-getting-the-job-done-31383017.html

For anyone here that think I'm being too harsh cork I'll try explain I'm not being harsh football management in i look for reason belive truly i do but lacks records as management and be fair no one can put up valid counter debate as bar flangan none rest good management record in club scene etc and that's why I always doubted them

I always belive you just can't walk in to senior management
You must have some line of progression and pedigree
Look at this outstanding piece on rourke
It's monaghan related but hugely significant here in shows o rourke has record
He had a record and shows my point compare it to cork that's why doubts set in


Just like Kevin Walsh sligo didn't need win all ireland but like o rourke fermanagh made them better team than he took over


Cork management like Eammon Sweeney said in wonderful brutally honest independent article thing Cork management have is used old management cliches like Cork came up with do not surrender
Fair enough good and I genuinely say fair play it creates circle trust and it's step forward but unlike o rourke with he's motto we want them cork dont back it up tactically or with system that monaghan do
Words are absoultey useless unless actions precede them
Talk is great with Cork though, root and branch review from league final yet we still play corner back who is half back, no midfield and attack ponderous and one dimensions
Cork midfield dominated in maher moran had 55 possession twelve kick outs one to alan o connor twelve
O connor was under estimated by kerry ist day, not second day, Dublin under Gavin won't either.
Anyone think I'm harsh just look at the stats they stand out like a sore thumb in all fairness
Christy o connor has famous line opinion is opinion but facts are facts and numbers usually tell the story
Kerry midfield destroyed cork
Cork midfield hasn't been fixed
Like stoner said here o connor exposed lack pace two years ago v Dublin in Croke park what evidence have we he'll be better in two week
Oh wait maybes he won't be at midfield he possibly will be full forward where pace won't be a problem but then he's lack football scoring will be shown up







To judge management you always ask yourself three questions in you won't expect tippeary clare fermanagh with greatest greatest respect to them truth be told to win all Ireland etc if management is there so expectations set accordingly each county and you don't win all Ireland etc be deemed successful
Every cloth is cut to a different measure in essence imo

Did management leave team better place when they started
Did management on the level of talent available in the county take them as far as they good
Are other teams doing better with less resources available
Cork management there are the three questions should be asked by review board if cork loose Dublin

Before they took over while kerry always cork number cork under couninhan beat everyone else bar mayo injury depleted team in year after all ireland and Dublin following year

Cork had problems imo in couninhan in cork could been much better but he left cork football better place when he took over

Cork even losses kerry were competitive to point and even against mayo year after
Cork imo have even loss players have fell down the ranks
We are lucky were not playing them but monaghan Galway would beat cork
Tyrone possibly
Cork imo outside top four team
Have cork talent to do better
I think they do
Joe brolly o se many others think cork do
This isn't having a go merely bringing logic and reality that backed up when you look at the facts
Again no cork or indeed any county man or woman like being cticsal their own county but you can only improve if you accept things are not right

Cork surely have resources compete with kerry and monaghan and even allowing for dual codes surely have more than monaghan and Donegal and that's not slight on those two counties who to be fair are credit to themselves and brought wonderful new life in to gaelic-games


When cork dont accept things are not right you can never truly evolve then or adapt
Cork thought all was rosary in the garden after drawn game thus no change
Kerry realised all wasn't well and had real problems so hence four changes one crucial change in positions with sheehan in the pirlo role like pirlo destroyed England midfield not once but twice lying deep and conducting play as and when he pleased and had England chasing around like rabbits dazzled in the head lights, didn't know whether to run hop skip or jump in pirlo was one step ahead
Sheehan was kerry pirlo
And he shouldn't been if cork had done their home work effectively imo

Stoner was right tomas o se critsed cork as wanted back lash for kerry
Yes nearly bite him in the ass and some naive utterly fickle fans laughed mocked o se after game oh eat humble pie rubbishwhen you look facts yes it was harsh but he was correct what he said and until cork beat big team can't really say such views are wrong

They would do well remember he who laugh lads laugh the longest
He was laughing after Saturday imo in everything he said no plan b leader less rudder less from management down came though
Only think wrong o se was came game late

Kerry got game wanted and got more than fright
O donughe said after kerry will be delighted two games
There delighted this week
I hear training tones down hugely this week and expect sloppy win v likely fermanagh
They want fermanagh as blankets and good coaching McGrath test them but won't beat them

Westmeath won't do blanket v them so kerry don't want westmeath
Kerry will have feet up players lounge drinking protein shakes and recovery watching cork Dublin play thinking we all ireland semi final more improve and saying well lads isn't this the life

Worry is Cork will loose Dublin and talk be were development poor ref width post etc and living off draw and talk be about player development with out actually seeing games as they were
Eammon Murphy great credit due had courage conviction and honesty in the echo say what all real astute not naive cork fansprobably thought in he said in galvin coming on as a sub on kerry greatest insult to cork in not fully fit yet kerry knew game was over they had the luxury to bring him on, cork greatest foe half fit getting game time

That was kerry statement of intent imo how they rated cork and also changing warm weather camp to summer ist time history meant never truly rated cork challenge
Yes course they will say they did but when fitzmaurice writes he's autobiography guaranteed imo ist chapter ist line when talks about this year will be one main true focus was Dublin
They want revenge for last defeat Dublin and only other team truly enjoy beating outside cork is Dublin



This isn't negative it's just what any kerry fan tell you or astute fan kerry focus was Dublin was never ever truth be told cork yet cork will live off draw as brilliant achievement
You couldn't actually make it up in fairness the way it beautifully played out for kerry
Their neighbours got them off guard the ist day but the second day they well and truly had cork measure and like article independent said in the match report sunday cork ran out of ideas

Cork Senior Hurling
1. Anthony Nash (Kanturk)
2. Shane O’Neill (Bishopstown)
3. Brian Murphy (Bride Rovers)
4. Stephen McDonnell (Glen Rovers)
5. Damien Cahalane (St Finbarr’s)
6. Mark Ellis (Millstreet)
7. Cormac Murphy (Mallow)
8. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
9. Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields)
10. Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)
11. Patrick Cronin (Bishopstown)
12. Bill Cooper (Youghal)
13. Conor Lehane (Midleton)
14. Seamus Harnedy (St. Ita’s)
15. Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)

Pos087 wrote: »

Boom. Didn't see that coming. If this works jbm should be given keys of the city and county, made Lord Mayor and any choice of women he wants.

Brilliant but why stop at women he can have the fastest greyhound in the county

Pos087 wrote: »

The only thing I would say is why doesn't he wait till last min to name the team. Im sure Galway would have not expected this. Now they have time to discuss this change.

I'm sure Cork won't line out as named so Galway will have a fair idea how Cork will play.I sure Galway have their own gameplan & are not going to change just because Cork have gone with this team. If Walsh doesn't drop back HB after having his best game so far there, it will be crazy IMO. Cork will play with 7 backs & 5 forwards. IMO Galway will have to score goals to win & this is JBM way of stopping that. Is it wrong or right only time will tell. I'd have much preferred a swap between Cads & Jamie.

Bit surprised by both teams. Hard to know how exactly each team will line out and, when it comes to the footballers, if that's the actual 15 that will play.

Best of luck to both teams.

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-eamon-fitzmaurice-the-master-of-the-remote-control-31399926.html


Outstanding read by outstanding football mind and tough great great really really great players

He's bang on Cork were old cork
Kerry learned much
Only point he's wrong is say cork scrutiny the video drawn game as Christ above if they did it's a shocking poor reflection of their ability to read a game when most joe soaps could see cork needed new script yet management failed protect o connor failed bar enforced change make changes game twiddle their thumbs for nearly fifty minutes make sub threw o connor full forward with kerry having sweeper and Barry driscoll was well Marshall

If cork did do video analysis imo they need a root and branch review on who ever done it and need make sure looked right game as Cork as o se said were poor and kerry knew exactly what cork would do


He's right last chance saloon for Cork now with Dublin looming
Bang on he was as sad it's to admit it cork old cork Saturday

That's a sickening read from a cork point of view, while there is an element of truth to it, theres a lovely slice of sewing it into cork also. Fitzmaurice is a fine manager but he has had some slices of luck - the penalty and his hail mary putting on donaghy vs mayo last year.
Unfortunately cork are gone from the football over the next 10 days, whether its Saturday evening or sunday afternoon is the only question. Will Cuthbert look for another term I wonder? must have been a fairly battering 2 years and the next while wont get any better.
One issue is the alan o connor 'nobbling' as ose puts it, oconnor played a different role on Saturday as excellent outlined by paudie kissane in the echo and it wasn't directly related to kerrys manager that he had a lesser role

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

To be honest I am sick and tired of reading what the " Kerry press" say its all great great Kerry and how Cork are so so bad all the time ...times you would think that Cork footballing people go out to play and do things always the wrong way like Billy Morgan said you don't listen to there propaganda. I have said here before that I have no faith in our management , but only for Padraigh Hughues we would be looking at an All-Ireland final place ....of course we still had chances to kill it out the first day but failed and we did go back to the bad old ways after they got the goal the last night ......time to move ahead ...the very best of luck to both Cork teams this weekend ...REBELS ABU !

Nobody can dispute what o se said
Forget he's from kerry he's right
Seriously get realistic we were not an all ireland final place away beat kerry

I can't believe the naivety cork still Christ above its clear dawn break day kerry much weaker ist day four massive changes and position change and kerry warm weather camp and fact cork training since November


Have you ever actually considered cork weren't that good the ist day kerry were off peak as Dublin only team they want
What your saying is were second best team ireland no logic back it up and is just nonsense imo in Galway possible beat Cork
Donegal monaghan would beat cork
Mayo possibly but Cork would be suited by their orthodox play and o shea full forward help cork midfield
We were let's be brutally honest no where near all ireland final
We had one game v kerry but kerry dominated us ist half drawn game
Let's not paint a rosary pictures for sake it
Nobody like be negative but the last thing Cork football needs is false dawns ffs haven't we had enough of them with greatest respect to know one at this stage

sean mac wrote: »

That's a sickening read from a cork point of view, while there is an element of truth to it, theres a lovely slice of sewing it into cork also. Fitzmaurice is a fine manager but he has had some slices of luck - the penalty and his hail mary putting on donaghy vs mayo last year.
Unfortunately cork are gone from the football over the next 10 days, whether its Saturday evening or sunday afternoon is the only question. Will Cuthbert look for another term I wonder? must have been a fairly battering 2 years and the next while wont get any better.
One issue is the alan o connor 'nobbling' as ose puts it, oconnor played a different role on Saturday as excellent outlined by paudie kissane in the echo and it wasn't directly related to kerrys manager that he had a lesser role

I agree he's lucky but all great manager get ounce luck in fortune favours brave

Cuthbhertt may claim be unlucky fair enough refs but he's been lucky with two soft draws sligo and Kildare and you have feel Donegal come through a mine field ulster loose again good team in monaghan and then face upcoming Galway who real real team of future and Walsh back huge bonus
Compared to Donegal cork are lucky they have Kildare

Cork also could be argued lucky kerry decided Dublin only team matters and put back warm weather camp til may and were complacent against cork the ist day


Monaghan mayo Tyrone all narrow victory he got luck those games in the league
Kissane article was excellent but I think he doesn't want to be too harsh on team as playedwith a few


Do you read outstanding Barry o Donovan echo

Headline was something like forward need better supply and it's difficult see cork winning games here on one scoring average go up croke park
He's right

Sean your normally bang on and very astute no nonsense call spade spade
How would you evaluate management in terms to o rourke fitzmaurice Gavin
Would you give them more time
What's there strongest asset and weakest asset
Would you think cork improved stayed same or went back two years
Would you give them new term and if not who would you like in there



Regarding the minor football who would you like in there and would you give Donal sullivan new term

What do you make of the hurling sunday

God post sean well thought out no nonsense given

I'd agree with some of it there
Kissane Derek kavanagh James McCarthy be wonderful minor set up absoultey awesome

I agree with all bar kerry in fitzmaurice didn't get it wrong so much way off more look at the reason he played b team
Dublin building a squad and he knows needs build squad and more wanted learn b team be up it and took calculated risk in knew cork wouldn't take advantage of it
I'm convinced even with out penalty kerry would still found way goal or points as Cork were on back foot
Think complacent out fitzmaurice more anything with trying new lads
Sign great manager who he brings in and does learn from mistake
He brought in o Neill and learned drawn game and limited defence getting everything out kerry

As monaghan it's important remember where they are at
Outstanding well coached team who awesome win ulster but mcguimness right in monaghan focus day one Donegal
When you surmounted that challenge next point is can you push on further
I don't think monaghan can in that's limit team and that's no slight on o rourke but croke park expose lack pace Clerkin and kerry no where near full peak
Kerry just eight five per cent I guess
Full training I'm led belive is from end July august on kerry and there's more them

Would monaghan beat kerry
No as it be close but Mcmanus would be marked and outside that or off day Monaghan no other forwards
Kerry with Gooch donughe geaney Donagh too much for them
Kerry Donegal be close
Donegal have more improve and system they have is outstanding and it would be close game and Donegal have more than Murphy now
Dublin are danger but kerry would relish them and it be tough

One thing I learned growing up
Clock strikes twelve at night it's midnight
It always rains more in ireland than it dry
Kk and kerry treat hurling and football seriously
Longer kerry remain in championship harder they are to beat as seven goals three games conceded kerry huge worry and shows defence poor but kerry get all ireland final Yes have problems but almost guaranteed kerry find way as like o se said he'll have remote control button on all day night and he'll have plan stop defence
Whether there good enough win it again remains be seen but fitzmaurice is outstanding management in every team wins all ireland is stale year after and lethargic


But picked b team ist day v Cork and draw like rocket up their holes now so kerry have focus now and draw best thing happened kerry now
Also he took huge risk putting warm weather camp from April to summer
He knew he couldn't go with the status quo last year had make players belive team got better last year and only way you can do that is by giving reason to believe and kerry winning munster about month behind real training with warm weather camp players know come September they will be rearing to go

Don't be fooled by kerry yet yes lot work do but there more in them
Kerry know marathon was never won over a hundred yards or the grand national rarely won by horse leading at the ist fence, kerry are in for the long haul


One common denominator from Saturday was kerry have ability grind out a win, dog a result, management that learn from mistake and hunger was there
Right them off at your peril imo


As for donaghy he's not just a big man he's wonderful vision movement and balance and can score and from basket ball learned an appreciation for space with awesome hands

Donegal couldn't break kerry last year or in the league so kerry won't fear them

Mayo won't beat kerry absoultey no way
Mayo have beaten no one yet and joint coaching won't work and I'm remain convinced by management as imo bit naive with orthodox role and Donegal if get over tricky Galway would beat mayo

Mayo are they better coached than when Horam coughlan were there
I don't think so
Buckley is yes outstanding coach gives them hope but o shea at full forward deprives them midfield
Mayo were on ropes v in expirenced Galway and I saw enough in defence say their poor and can be beaten
Connaught has with respect been piss poor
In fact mayo are the one team this cork team could beat that says it all imo

Conor whelan starts for Galway sunday

Young forward but Cork need be wary just out of minor
He's got two goals two intermediate team v Kilkenny intermediate final last week and against limerick last year minor two goals plus got goal year before
Outstanding minor two years and Cian lynch out minor good season shows your good enough youth not always problem
Needs be watched

Got great goal last year v limerick
Fast and pacey
Huge ask for him to start but Cork need have o Neill on him and expirence should tell


Cork were right pick physics team as Galway half forward line is built strong with Donnellan glynn and forde

Murphy on forde
Walsh on Donnellan
Cahalane on glynn

Murphy on canning with Lawton covering
Mcdommell on mannion
Match up crucial
Cork got them wrong v tipp last year and jbm was totally blame
He admitted it after
Sunday is chance get it right


Harnedy should cause Hanbury problem and horgan huge battle with coen like Noel connor

Horgan needs drift out
Tannin at centre back can be got at for pace and Cronin should go in with lehane on him and run at him as he's lacking pace

Strong Galway team physical wise and tough centre and has pace with whelan
This will be tough and huge huge pressure both teams
Jbm probably go himself cork loose and cunningjham could be forced out Galway loose with Liam o doughue imo real contention get it and outstanding coach and not sure but was tipp senior last year think he still is
Cork set up to sweeper
This will be physically sunday