Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1

MfMan wrote: »

Mayo would run through Cork like a dose of salts and would beat Kerry also IMHO. O'Se has added a new dimension to the forwards and Parsons can cover quite adequately for him in midfield. Connacht has been no more 'piss poor' than any other province and very few counties get a beating like Mayo inflicted on Sligo last Sunday. Dublin and Mayo are by a long way the best 2 teams at the moment, Kerry with a brittle defence lag back in third at least, Donegal are slipping and wouldn't be surprised of they fall to Galway next week.

That's true with regards leinster connaught being poor but munster is stronger probably

Mayo wouldn't run through cork as mayo struggled league and better coached mayo couldn't put cork away last year
Mayo have done what exactly to say they are at the same level as last year
With respect sligo no true test


Cork orthodox are fine free flowing football and Cork better forwards cork would beat mayo
Mayo won't beat kerry
No real forwards
O shea yes looked great but bigger tests await
Donegal lot games and tired and armagh nearly got them last year same stage but Donegal get over that will beat mayo
Mayo haven't been tested at all at all

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Conor McCarthy on UTV sport tonight and talking about tactics etc. rightfully said only for two major blunders that handed Kerry the All-Ireland last year Donegal could have been Champions...Fitzmaurice very lucky against Mayo last year in semi final ...and very lucky against Cork in drawn game only ref bailed him out ...to say that Kerry picked B team v. Cork first day is not right ...

But o se many pundits whelan many other said Cork never improved replay

It's not just me saying it
Kerry four changes ist day be fair all made huge difference with sheehan going to eleven


Murphy held doc
Maher dominated midfield
Geaney got goal two
Mahony sweeper all day
Sheehan continued conduct kerry tempo game at eleven
All this isn't my opinion but facts look at stats and many pundits said all above played well
Now they didn't play or play best positions ist day
See my point

Kerry luck against mayo fair enough but Donegal I don't think so high press dominance midfield forces Donegal short kick out and pressure intense forced Donegal go short where mistake made goal



I say it again I have one hundred percent confidence cork football talent win all ireland players are there
Monaghan less talent win ulster
Cork have players like brolly said win all ireland


All four changes kerry starting line up had major influence on the game
Kerry team started v Cork won't start game again I think

Gary Neville

MfMan wrote: »

Mayo would run through Cork like a dose of salts and would beat Kerry also IMHO. O'Se has added a new dimension to the forwards and Parsons can cover quite adequately for him in midfield. Connacht has been no more 'piss poor' than any other province and very few counties get a beating like Mayo inflicted on Sligo last Sunday. Dublin and Mayo are by a long way the best 2 teams at the moment, Kerry with a brittle defence lag back in third at least, Donegal are slipping and wouldn't be surprised of they fall to Galway next week.

O Shea did look very impressive v Sligo and it's going to be very interesting to see how he does against a better defence. It's starting to look as if the likes of McFadden and Lacey are past their best at this stage, alright.

I'd agree that Dublin and Mayo look 1 and 2 at the moment.

Xenophile

This year Cork footballers have a better chance of winning Sam than the Hurlers have of winning Liam.

thinkstoomuch1

Gary Neville wrote: »

O Shea did look very impressive v Sligo and it's going to be very interesting to see how he does against a better defence. It's starting to look as if the likes of McFadden and Lacey are past their best at this stage, alright.

I'd agree that Dublin and Mayo look 1 and 2 at the moment.

I'd agree with Dublin but who have mayo beaten to say there top two team


Mayo beaten no one and last year very good team still fell short
What have mayo done say they improved
No basis for that
Imo Dublin kerry Donegal real contenders all ireland

Donegal came though tough ulster loose point team had geared training since January for them
Donegal system hard break down and should meet mayo Mayo all out attack won't score enough again blanket defence tight as stone
Donegal counter is good and mayo defence too open
Mayo philosophy is they will outscore team but won't work against blanket team that goes war attrition
I'd love mayo win all ireland but no test yet at all all

Gary Neville

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Conor McCarthy on UTV sport tonight and talking about tactics etc. rightfully said only for two major blunders that handed Kerry the All-Ireland last year Donegal could have been Champions...Fitzmaurice very lucky against Mayo last year in semi final ...and very lucky against Cork in drawn game only ref bailed him out ...to say that Kerry picked B team v. Cork first day is not right ...

Conor is a straight talker alright - the Animals went ballistic when he pointed out how much they try to influence refs - James O Donoghue AKA Jurgen Klinsman and Tomas O Se both rejected this (thus proving it was true) - they'll be howling in the moonlight after the latest salvo - Bloody great to get a Corkman telling the truth rather than all the vomit inducing garbage from Dirty Darragh and the rest of 'em.

Gary Neville

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'd agree with Dublin but who have mayo beaten to say there top two team


Mayo beaten no one and last year very good team still fell short
What have mayo done say they improved
No basis for that
Imo Dublin kerry Donegal real contenders all ireland

Donegal came though tough ulster loose point team had geared training since January for them
Donegal system hard break down and should meet mayo Mayo all out attack won't score enough again blanket defence tight as stone
Donegal counter is good and mayo defence too open
Mayo philosophy is they will outscore team but won't work against blanket team that goes war attrition
I'd love mayo win all ireland but no test yet at all all

Yeah - I'd have to agree that Mayo haven't been tested yet, this season. Whelan pointed out how poorly Sligo defended and Mayo did cough up a fair few chances to them.

Kerry are 2nd favs and rightly so as they have a handy enough route to the final but I see Mayo as the 2nd best side in the country right now. I do think Donegal have slipped back as the newer guys seem to lack quality.

Tactics are so important as you say and we simply don't know how enough about Mayo Management yet. I'd like Mayo to win it if Cork don't - their supporters deserve it.

thinkstoomuch1

Gary Neville wrote: »

Conor is a straight talker alright - the Animals went ballistic when he pointed out how much they try to influence refs - James O Donoghue AKA Jurgen Klinsman and Tomas O Se both rejected this (thus proving it was true) - they'll be howling in the moonlight after the latest salvo - Bloody great to get a Corkman telling the truth rather than all the vomit inducing garbage from Dirty Darragh and the rest of 'em.

Conor McCarthy was right absoultey on the ball
You seem to have a view against or tomas o se and just cause he kerry it's not something to be used in anyone nemo speaks hugely o se and outstanding with ucc
O se spoke poorly cork and it's awful read but no one can counter debate it what he said he was right as sean said had logic


O se said old cork were there Saturday
He's hard disagree with


Cork introduction of Flanagan and that brilliant move by management as said day one
Also do not surrender motto is good
Now don't please take this out of context or say I'm criticism this motto as you unfairly done before be fair
I'm not and to be clear it's good motto and brilliant just like monaghan motto was we want them and Allen motto was every single ball or something like it years ago



Motto I applause as they create a bond circle trust
My point is motto no good unless tactical innovation
O se said it in the article cork didn't evolve tactically
Who would be your team for Dublin in mind
Did you read Barry Donovan echo today
Brilliant read lot good points cork forwards need more ball
He said Cork unlikely win croke park
Just thought I point this out as with respect you and few think I'm only one question cork football when I'm not and other posters like sean mac have and lot pundits weren't impressive Saturday and Ciarán whelan said Cork didn't have any new ideas

What are your views on others with those views

Are they incorrect please

thinkstoomuch1

Gary Neville wrote: »

Yeah - I'd have to agree that Mayo haven't been tested yet, this season. Whelan pointed out how poorly Sligo defended and Mayo did cough up a fair few chances to them.

Kerry are 2nd favs and rightly so as they have a handy enough route to the final but I see Mayo as the 2nd best side in the country right now. I do think Donegal have slipped back as the newer guys seem to lack quality.

Tactics are so important as you say and we simply don't know how enough about Mayo Management yet. I'd like Mayo to win it if Cork don't - their supporters deserve it.

If mayo haven't been tested then how can you say there the second best team in ireland
No there not
Last year was top four so top four is at best
Cork hurling put ten goals past laois under Walsh didn't mean moved ranking
With respect this is sligo
If they beaten good team fair enough

Monaghan Donegal gave level intensity mayo haven't faces yet
What young Donegal players don't you rate
I agree mayo deserves all ireland like Cork do

Gary Neville

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

If mayo haven't been tested then how can you say there the second best team in ireland
No there not
Last year was top four so top four is at best
Cork hurling put ten goals past laois under Walsh didn't mean moved ranking
With respect this is sligo
If they beaten good team fair enough

Monaghan Donegal gave level intensity mayo haven't faces yet
What young Donegal players don't you rate
I agree mayo deserves all ireland like Cork do

Mayo haven't been tested and possibly more important, their management haven't been tested so I wouldn't be confident that they are 2nd best side but I don't see anyone better apart from Dublin. Kerry won the AI with a moderate enough side so IMO the overall quality is poor right now. Time will tell.

I thought McBrearty, McElhinney, McNiallis and O Connor were the deal deal bit they did nothing in the U Final allbeit DOC didn't get much time. I dunno about Gallagher yet - I think Donegal are past their best.

Gary Neville

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Conor McCarthy was right absoultey on the ball
You seem to have a view against or tomas o se and just cause he kerry it's not something to be used in anyone nemo speaks hugely o se and outstanding with ucc
O se spoke poorly cork and it's awful read but no one can counter debate it what he said he was right as sean said had logic


O se said old cork were there Saturday
He's hard disagree with


Cork introduction of Flanagan and that brilliant move by management as said day one
Also do not surrender motto is good
Now don't please take this out of context or say I'm criticism this motto as you unfairly done before be fair
I'm not and to be clear it's good motto and brilliant just like monaghan motto was we want them and Allen motto was every single ball or something like it years ago



Motto I applause as they create a bond circle trust
My point is motto no good unless tactical innovation
O se said it in the article cork didn't evolve tactically
Who would be your team for Dublin in mind
Did you read Barry Donovan echo today
Brilliant read lot good points cork forwards need more ball
He said Cork unlikely win croke park
Just thought I point this out as with respect you and few think I'm only one question cork football when I'm not and other posters like sean mac have and lot pundits weren't impressive Saturday and Ciarán whelan said Cork didn't have any new ideas

What are your views on others with those views

Are they incorrect please

I don't read much when Cork lose as I can't take the pain - I read Harte's comment that the team that changes the tactics will win the replay so I'd accept that Cork Management fell down in this area. I'm not convinced by Cork Management in football but 2 more good performances and I'd be getting there.

thinkstoomuch1

Gary Neville wrote: »

Mayo haven't been tested and possibly more important, their management haven't been tested so I wouldn't be confident that they are 2nd best side but I don't see anyone better apart from Dublin. Kerry won the AI with a moderate enough side so IMO the overall quality is poor right now. Time will tell.

I thought McBrearty, McElhinney, McNiallis and O Connor were the deal deal bit they did nothing in the U Final allbeit DOC didn't get much time. I dunno about Gallagher yet - I think Donegal are past their best.

Valid points


Good debate I'll be honest


Monaghan system was outstanding and curbed them but they most them done it before
I'll agree kerry average compared great kerry past team but system and management won all ireland with kerry last year in o Neill fitzmaurice can't be under estimated


I'll say your posts I enjoy at times and think we're on same page bar difference view in we both want cork do well best we can be


I didn't genuinely mean get defending posts strongly with you before but I'll try explain where I coming from
Some times when I critsed team advance many will say it here i get critsed hugely but I only ever question on field performance and do that limerick waterford cork etc
Many times when do don't just do it sake it do it looking at results etc logic etc
And most times not all posts like anyone but most be fair stand up to test time


I only question cork football management purely football
Nobody questions commitment passion etc them or indeed no one ever questions sullivan Davis players etc
They owe cork nothing field play
But any management understand performance will be questioned
Gavin cody expect and accept it so too fitzmaurice
Brian o Driscoll nearly went in to submission when late late Tubridy said ireland ran all black close
He totally dismissed it point blank false dawns nothing him and he wants ireland beat all blacks and only way happen demanding ireland do it not accepting one point defeat good


Your man United I take it and you must had glorious years success united craving desire win all and be best united can be
You sound reasonable
I genuinely aren't wanting be negative sake it but like Driscoll in wants ireland beat all black change legacy many Cork fans want more seven all ireland and one every twenty years



Boom Boom and stoner two Dublin kerry posters raised valid point regards football
Boom said Cork defence not great and he's post with stats showed this isn't great some think it is


Stoner said kerry were different team last day
Would you think cork can improve defence and what team would you play Dublin
I agree with your other points

youngbob

I was talking to a guy earlier who is friendly with 1 of the backroom staff he says hurlers will line out as selected so expect no sweeper system on Sun. It a straight 15 vs 15. I hope he is wrong but he seems to know.

thinkstoomuch1

youngbob wrote: »

I was talking to a guy earlier who is friendly with 1 of the backroom staff he says hurlers will line out as selected so expect no sweeper system on Sun. It a straight 15 vs 15. I hope he is wrong but he seems to know.

That's rubbish jbm will go sweeper
Cork have no choice to go sweeper
Cork win with out it haven't hope beating tippeary unless play sweeper
Makes no sense not play sweeper

darragh_haven

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

That's rubbish jbm will go sweeper
Cork have no choice to go sweeper
Cork win with out it haven't hope beating tippeary unless play sweeper
Makes no sense not play sweeper

Ah TTM you can't call a guys post rubbish when it might happen. We've seen stranger things from JBM.
Now, I fully expect a sweeper to be employed from the outset, we'd be beat if we go one on one.

thinkstoomuch1

darragh_haven wrote: »

Ah TTM you can't call a guys post rubbish when it might happen. We've seen stranger things from JBM.
Now, I fully expect a sweeper to be employed from the outset, we'd be beat if we go one on one.

Fair enough
Jbm gave interview yesterday he said Cork had stop conceding goals and had find way stop it and he's happy found way but lot be done yet
I can't see him changing now back
I think landers brought real change system more jbm
Team picked is going for physics battle so interesting how they line up

What do you make Hurley being dropped
Is it true it hasn't gone down well with castle haven fans

It makes sense

Was at east cork u21 Fr O'Neills v Dungourney s/f last night. Pitch full of young imokilly talent O'neills looked very strong winning comfortable in the end Dec dalton very impressive got 1-13 outshone most of the other forwards might be his position but all round they could go far this year O'keefe at centre back very good as was O'sullivan at 14. Dungourney tried hard with Motherway James McCarthy and Denny the pick for them.

youngbob

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Fair enough
Jbm gave interview yesterday he said Cork had stop conceding goals and had find way stop it and he's happy found way but lot be done yet
I can't see him changing now back
I think landers brought real change system more jbm
Team picked is going for physics battle so interesting how they line up

What do you make Hurley being dropped
Is it true it hasn't gone down well with castle haven fans

Lets no kid ourselves here JBM only payed 'sweeper, system when Wex dropped their no10 back. If you look at my previous posts I believe the system works better for Cork. I,m just saying what one of the guys told me, if you want to believe what you hear as gospel I've no intention of rubbishing your posts. I only read this one because it's short not like the last 20/30 ones where they were novellas

thinkstoomuch1

youngbob wrote: »

Lets no kid ourselves here JBM only payed 'sweeper, system when Wex dropped their no10 back. If you look at my previous posts I believe the system works better for Cork. I,m just saying what one of the guys told me, if you want to believe what you hear as gospel I've no intention of rubbishing your posts. I only read this one because it's short not like the last 20/30 ones where they were novellas

Good man do what every one does loose argument have pop at style
You heard something in a pub and you thought oh that's it Let's spread the word

Don't be so naive
Forget about Wexford done Ellis played full back line sweeper regardless
Everybody knows jbm isn't fan sweeper and many here correctly critsed him for that
But I suggest rather belive what you hear in a pub as gospel you look at facts
Facts are cork conceding huge goals to teams but Wexford clare cork conceded none
Cork also played sweeper v clare did they or did they not

Jbm said defence too poor and needed solve it in interview yesterday but lot be done
Why on gods earth would they change system that yes bigger tests tomorrow but worked last two games
If he does change orthodox it's awful tactical blunder


Cork need set terms engagement and by doing that sweeper you force Galway change
Galway played sweeper three years ago v Cork Johnny coen sweeping
Roles reversed now

I hear of a guy that knowledge a guy that know guy in mass this morning cork will play sweeper
Whether works or not remain be seen but it's cork best chance
Should they beat Galway and we meet tipp only hope beating tippeary
And if and huge if now we play kk sweeper only way beat kk
If Joyce was available cork possibly go orthodox but with out natural full back have no option go sweeper

thinkstoomuch1

It makes sense wrote: »

Was at east cork u21 Fr O'Neills v Dungourney s/f last night. Pitch full of young imokilly talent O'neills looked very strong winning comfortable in the end Dec dalton very impressive got 1-13 outshone most of the other forwards might be his position but all round they could go far this year O'keefe at centre back very good as was O'sullivan at 14. Dungourney tried hard with Motherway James McCarthy and Denny the pick for them.

Keoffe look like bit about him outstanding midelton cbs in he's day
How do you see hurling going
Do you agree with o Neill being brought in

darragh_haven

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Fair enough
Jbm gave interview yesterday he said Cork had stop conceding goals and had find way stop it and he's happy found way but lot be done yet
I can't see him changing now back
I think landers brought real change system more jbm
Team picked is going for physics battle so interesting how they line up

What do you make Hurley being dropped
Is it true it hasn't gone down well with castle haven fans

I was at the local shop this morning and there didn't seem to much discontent about Hurley being dropped. It was a case of wait and see what happens. Hopefully he'll get a run this evening and be given an opportunity to get his confidence back by staying close to goal and maybe get a point or 2 from play.
I think there is an air or apathy. In a sense, if we are not out of the championship this evening, we will be the week afterwards.
But the hope is that regardless of result, that there has to be changes made in the management set up

crebel81

Hey folks

Anybody know if this match is being streamed online? Any links?

I don't see why we should have to pay Sky to watch our amateur game being played

Cheers

youngbob

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Good man do what every one does loose argument have pop at style
You heard something in a pub and you thought oh that's it Let's spread the word

Don't be so naive
Forget about Wexford done Ellis played full back line sweeper regardless
Everybody knows jbm isn't fan sweeper and many here correctly critsed him for that
But I suggest rather belive what you hear in a pub as gospel you look at facts
Facts are cork conceding huge goals to teams but Wexford clare cork conceded none
Cork also played sweeper v clare did they or did they not

Jbm said defence too poor and needed solve it in interview yesterday but lot be done
Why on gods earth would they change system that yes bigger tests tomorrow but worked last two games
If he does change orthodox it's awful tactical blunder


Cork need set terms engagement and by doing that sweeper you force Galway change
Galway played sweeper three years ago v Cork Johnny coen sweeping
Roles reversed now

I hear of a guy that knowledge a guy that know guy in mass this morning cork will play sweeper
Whether works or not remain be seen but it's cork best chance
Should they beat Galway and we meet tipp only hope beating tippeary
And if and huge if now we play kk sweeper only way beat kk
If Joyce was available cork possibly go orthodox but with out natural full back have no option go sweeper

read my last post again no mention of a pub or pubtalk you just assume something and go off in a rant AGAIN. Talking about Tipp or Kk is pointless when the next hurdle is sunday silly man

It makes sense

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Keoffe look like bit about him outstanding midelton cbs in he's day
How do you see hurling going
Do you agree with o Neill being brought in

Not sure about bringing O'Neill back if Cadogan was not going to play bring in another forward like for like rather than change the defence which has done well last few matches especially Walsh at half back with Ellis sweeping and cooper at midfield seems a strange call to me will be interesting to see whether they line out as selected

thinkstoomuch1

youngbob wrote: »

read my last post again no mention of a pub or pubtalk you just assume something and go off in a rant AGAIN. Talking about Tipp or Kk is pointless when the next hurdle is sunday silly man

Well move on
But you said you heard cork play orthodox
Jbm tone interview said other wise and nothing suggests cork will change
Both myself and you agree it be wrong not play sweeper


Where have i said I take Galway granted

No where
Point is made as unlike your good self I see every game with also looking at next game in cork have system in place if and if meet tipp etc
I have disagree with your silly comment but rather imo astute logic in cork beating Galway orthodox is no good bigger picture

Just like I judge football Kildare game in mind with Dublin up should win you must have system for bigger days you're working on

I think you will upon review find no where did I take Galway granted and don't think Cork all ireland hurling contenders in we lot do before we can be considered as such but we have even chance v Galway and not going in huge under dogs

Pos087

crebel81 wrote: »

Hey folks

Anybody know if this match is being streamed online? Any links?

I don't see why we should have to pay Sky to watch our amateur game being played

Cheers

I'm sure you can get it on vipbox

thinkstoomuch1

It makes sense wrote: »

Not sure about bringing O'Neill back if Cadogan was not going to play bring in another forward like for like rather than change the defence which has done well last few matches especially Walsh at half back with Ellis sweeping and cooper at midfield seems a strange call to me will be interesting to see whether they line out as selected

Cork brought in o Neill as going for seven backs with lehane and Harnedy two man inside I'd say in guess

Cadogan work rate was good last day but seven back good idea as stop Galway goals key

Pos087

crebel81 wrote: »

Hey folks

Anybody know if this match is being streamed online? Any links?

I don't see why we should have to pay Sky to watch our amateur game being played

Cheers

http://m.liveonlinetv247.info/skysports.php

thinkstoomuch1

Best luck to cork football and hopefully a win with good defence and attack performance tonight

youngbob

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Cork brought in o Neill as going for seven backs with lehane and Harnedy two man inside I'd say in guess

Cadogan work rate was good last day but seven back good idea as stop Galway goals key

I agree with you that I think 7 backs & 5 forwards is the way we should go too but what I posted about the no sweeper system is something that a backroom guy told me. It's nothing I heard in a pub or idle gossip. He also told me the 3 positional changes for the last game the day after the team was announced. He asked me to keep that to myself as it was privileged information. That's. why I take was I heard seriously. I wasn't asked to stay quiet about this so I mentioned it here. If Cork do go 15 vs 15 & we lose JBM will get mighty stick & IMO rightly so. If was I heard isn't true I will be delighted but I only put it out there as he is a reliable source. If we play 15 vs 15 & it's not working I fear the game could slip away before we go back to putting Walsh in his best position. I think it's pure folly to tinker with something that IMO suits this Cork team. It gives the backs confidence knowing if 1 of them makes an error the extra defender in nearby but it also gives the forwards a chance to get good ball played into them so they can run on to it. Old saying if not broken why fix it.