Cork GAA Discussion Thread

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Gary Neville wrote: »

Everyone, surely.

Some how I doubt that

willietherock

slingerz wrote: »

just my thoughts on things

I actually reckon things arent that bad for Cork footballers. Losing a replay to Kerry in Killarney isnt a shock nor is it something to be ashamed of. I think Cork played as well as they can expect really. In terms of ranking Kerry and Dublin have better players/athletes than Cork, Donegal are possibly further along in their development as a team as are Mayo with Cork coming behind them along with Monaghan & Tyrone.

Cork struggled in the transition from defence to attack, Kerry have better footballers to distribute the ball into their forwards than Cork do using kick passes and also possess a target man and an inside forward with movement that Cork dont possess. The use of the sweeper by Cork was the correct tactical decision however the insistance on running the ball into the forward line given the weather conditions was unwise and a targetman would have been more ideal really.

I think Cuthbert is an ok manager, nothing great but not as bad as he is often made out to be. He's not good enough to win something especially with a group that would not be the strongest group in the competition which is something really good managers can do.

I think in moving on Pierce O'Neill, Kissane, Canty, Noel O'Leary, Alan O'Connor last season was unwise. Certainly Noel O'Leary's performances in the club championship indicate that he cant cut it anymore as injuries have caught up with him but i think the others would be certainly good influences on the side, if not to start then definitely from the bench.

I think Cork are in a state of transition at present and the coach that comes in needs to build a squad and panel and be given time and the resources to do so. I dont think Cuthbert had that sort of development in mind and has fallen between 2 stools in a way. The defections of Walsh and Cahalane to the hurlers have hurt the football chances and it is a pity that those 2 are not available not to mention Ciaran Sheehan as things would be in a different state entirely if they were around with a good coaching setup.

I think Cork may beat Kildare next week but the end of the line is coming on the August Bank holiday

Great balanced analysis. The key was the total lack of support for CO'N and BH when the ball went into the fullforward line. DO'C and PK are too slow to get up and support and Kerrigan too defensively placed.
I rate Cork in the third group behind the winners from Mayo/Kerry/Dublin, non winners Donegal/Monaghan who are more experienced/tactically aware. A win v Kildare and close game v Dublin will constitute a good season with Cuthbert getting a 2 yr extension.

thinkstoomuch1

willietherock wrote: »

Great balanced analysis. The key was the total lack of support for CO'N and BH when the ball went into the fullforward line. DO'C and PK are too slow to get up and support and Kerrigan too defensively placed.
I rate Cork in the third group behind the winners from Mayo/Kerry/Dublin, non winners Donegal/Monaghan who are more experienced/tactically aware. A win v Kildare and close game v Dublin will constitute a good season with Cuthbert getting a 2 yr extension.

With the attuide of some regards football it's easy to see the greatest respect cork football never be seen anything but the poor mouth in comparison to hurling in we set standard way too low in we accept mediocrity as a good season


If and it could happen hurling loose next week some no doubt critse jbm but ist off he'll likely resign himself whereas this management think there the chosen ones lead cork


Jbm deserves critsim tippeary last year and he accepted it and awful watching tactics all year but fairness he changed v Wexford and been changed system just two games



Loosing to Dublin doesn't in my opinion come close to good season when the defence blanket system that is appalling compared to Dublin and off kerry but they don't have options cork have, midfield from day one this management never fixed it and allowing for maguire injury still could done way better as they knew maguire out moths ago


The attack as unit hasn't functions with any cohesion or guile as a unit bar individual performance in league and championship



We have no designated football skill coach
Don't be confused what flangan role is
He's trainer fitness wise nothing really coaching tactics side

We mark men than space
We make subs far too late
We continue to pick wrong team
We are always one trick pony in ist year all out attack with no defence
Half way though we changed to defence in management words sligo were cork all ireland final
Yes they said that


Then defence still isn't working
Cork implementation running game means against clare etc and naive kerry ist day look good but once kerry stopped it cork had no plan b
It's always been all or nothing with any system they bring in there's never a balance and default system
Classic example kerry went long wasn't working
Kerry replaced target man with creative instinct Gooch


Cork persisted with running game and then having seen kerry failed with better target man cork couldn't grasp of Connor was not going to work with course mahony sweeper


Mahony who pace gone loved that role
Cork should with drawn half forwards and created one one hurly o Neill and played huge width in corner men were completed huge distance apart such mahony couldn't cover both as distance too far cover


Course one man take shot saved cork many times and has creative mind and ability hold up of speed up game donnacha o Connor should been role identical sheehan for kerry instead hauling off as sub changes

One win against awful Kildare and two defeats is simply not good enough any management when last year cork by some Cork media rated all ireland contenders


The excuses just rein in for this set up
We have no leader despite more lads senior all ireland and under twenty one success is said
Referee fault yes but not extent some say
Weather is blamed
Well probably blame croke park next in too long drive up with way some talk is
Weather is part and parcel of ireland so you learn to adapt to it


A reason balanced approachby fans imo is Cork when any manager took over I expected two year munster all ireland final least
We failed
Cork have fallen so far down the pecking order now yes expectation lowered but that's not imo justification say we accept it when we shouldn't in not reaching all ireland semi final should be questioned


Every team if you go through any unsuccessful management has one good day
Rodgers wins management month and teams look good November but that's good gets Liverpool

Cork under twenty hurling destroyed tippeary under twenty one ger Fitzgerald but only second win four years manager
Pat Kenneally won one under twenty one game management yet humiliation next game
Matt o connor leinster pushed toulon all way but that was one game
Munster hammered toulouse but poor after it
Connaught beat toulouse pat lam but awful season poor poor league and loosing games should won


Cork one good year under Tompkins and six poor ones
Point is one off performance no good
You need consistent performance
This management has not delivered consistent performance and every big game lost
That is surely enough to say lads thank all ye given but look not best fit job so we need new manager



Cork football won't become like leinster and man United in enjoy legacy sustained excellent that there ruthless to make bold harsh call management
Cork never enjoyed sustained excellent in football so cause that standard are not high enough to demand more set minimum standard of acceptance and be ruthless to make call with management
To get to the legacy of success however cork have be ruthless but you can't expect football team ruthless on field when management are not and ccb aren't either and Cork football is never treated seriously imo and any voice ever questions problem cork football ccb reply is some have agenda cork football


All well here when cork loose Dublin is we made progress, some pundits well harp on about sheehan loss Walsh cahalane etc building new team takes time more than two years a full review be taken and next year Cork kerrry in cork so management will be ready


Fitzmaurice well and truly has cork managment number
But it's all not doom and gloom as yes they will beat kerry when spring comes kerry going though motion deciding plan beat serious football teams cork will hammer kerry league and some will say wow cork making progress

I watched the game again and kerry were toying cork last twenty minutes
Fitzmaurice is great manager in yes he may get lucky but it luck always favour the brave and he brave enough make four changes and sub cork none ist game bar cadogan enforced change



Cork drew yet it defies logic imo expected go one step further beat kerry with same system and players ist day
What did they expect kerry do
Like I said o Connor was target from ist minute
Cork should not allowed him give interview either during week in putting too much pressure him
Kerry adopted closed shop policy
Cork didn't change anything from the drawn game and Sean was right you wouldn't see it in a junior b game

Dublin have everything you want in a team
They have unit, default system when individual fail, have depth panel have youth hunger with expirence old heads and warriors, have awesome defence, awesome coach mark ingle from basketball scene understand zonal system have excellent sherlock who isn't just nice quiet lad apparently ruthless in training, have also free taker superb quality in rock haven't had before and outstanding management and hunger hurt last year

This Dublin team may be beaten but are just miles ahead cork cork have no chance unless things changed but I can't see it and with games two weeks row very hard change much training now to beat Dublin but they should say look start now as better beaten Dublin trying change beaten Dublin changing nothing at all


Fitzmaurice and Gavin and mcguimness imo would win all Ireland cork as make average players good, good ones great and great ones consistent as have system get every last inch out of the panel and nothing from any end would be left to chance as like kerry no stone left unturned in pursuit success

I get no joy saying it but while we dislike kerry I huge respect admiration fitzmaurice in bringing in o Neill and gps etc warm weather camp you name it he does everything get kerry to be best
Kerry may well be beaten by better team like Dublin but it won't be down poor coaching or preparing

Gary Neville

This thread is gone to f......

TTM - you are so negative that's it's depressing to read your comments. I think that you are just looking for an argument. I couldn't be bothered even listing some of the nonsense you've posted about the Football Management.

I'd prefer that we agree to disagree because I'd prefer to post on this thread without engaging in never ending arguments with you or anyone else.


It's time to focus on the Kildare game and the big issue, as Cuthbert pointed out is trying to raise the spirits in such a short time. This team has had to deal with massive adversity and criticism in recent years and hopefully the players can respond yet again. I'm looking forward to, hopefully, to some great games this Summer.

klairondavis

Gary Neville wrote: »

It's time to focus on the Kildare game

Sure we're awful.

Focus on the Dubs.

ShamoBuc

klairondavis wrote: »

Sure we're awful.

Focus on the Dubs.

Not awful at all but I would certainly think Cork will have too much for ye. Hopefully it will be a dry night as our running game is needed for us to play to our potential. As we all know if our plan A does not work we are rudderless.

Gary Neville

klairondavis wrote: »

Sure we're awful.

Focus on the Dubs.

Nah - We haven't a hope. Beaten provincial finalists have been dumped out 13 times, we lie down when it's put up to us. Our manager is clueless and we are also rudderless.

Our best players (Walsh, Cahalane and Sheehan) are playing hurling and AFL - our next best players (Maguire, Cadogan, Clancy and O Rourke) are all injured. Refs hate us and never give us a decision and we have no supporters (or nearly none)

If ye can't bate us, then ye may as well pack it in and concentrate on the horses.

largepants

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Not awful at all but I would certainly think Cork will have too much for ye. Hopefully it will be a dry night as our running game is needed for us to play to our potential. As we all know if our plan A does not work we are rudderless.

Agree with you that Cork will have too much for Kildare. However the constant use of the word 'awful' by a certain poster is very irritating.

CORKDOUBLE

I agree we should stop the negative the season is still on for both our teams ....Kildare and Galway stand in our way from progressing into August in the championships ....Both have major games we have to treat all teams with respect Kilkenny treat all opposition with respect ...the footballers have to get there heads around the 7 day turnaround not easy the records show that it is a huge ask Kildare have loads of very good footballers ...the hurlers are playing Galway, since 1975 they have been a huge bogey team for the hurlers and I think I am correct in saying that Joe Canning has lost only once to Cork at Minor , u21, Senior Championship and Leauge finals ..that was the famous match in 2008 in the quailifers in Thurles ...they feel they can take Cork ..we have problems on andoff the field but this is not the week to be talking about them .

It makes sense

sean mac wrote: »

**** building for the future, blooding players etc the future is now. Cokr football is always talking about the future..........imo we did ok with kerrry up to a point on Saturday, a moments lapse in the defence and kery got a goal - after that cork fell apart and here is where things get very bleak.
The good teams are able to change things on the pitch with direction from the line, going long to a target man is a perfectly acceptable plan b, but it must be rehearsed and must involve a man playing on the square who is comfortable there, NOT a hard working midfielder who has never played there ffs.......Kerry couldn't believe their luck. If cork want that as plan b then they should have persevered with young peter Kelleher instead of having 3 exact same type of forwards on the bench like hodnett, hayes and goulding........would that have worked, probably not but at least it would have shown a plan b instead of the full on panic that emenated from the line and translated onto the pitch with players taking crazy pot shots. That could easily have been built into the team since the forst game, but what do cork do......nothing exact same system again vs Kerry ffs you wouldn't do it at junior b level as teams would find you out.
Brian hurley is playing poorly but he is also playing too far from goal and is the right man to have next to a ball winning full forward as is daniael goulding the forgotten man of this set up.
For the next day start goulding, give the man 50 minutes, give hurley a rest and bring him on, bring the likes of Kelleher into the squad instead of the ineffective hayes or hodnett, they need to think again about barry o driscoll if they are serious, a decent player going forward Dublin definitely but Kildare also will follow the Kerry blueprint and push him towards his own goal. Midfield with oconnor and deane to start with an odrsicoll to come in because at this stage fintan has ran his race imo.
Cork must shake it up, actually work on a plan b instead of just talk about it (one of this managements great strengths is talking - they talk a great game) or else possibly Kildare but certainly Dublin will absolutely destroy cork

Great post I know I lot of people say that to many of us are negative but the true is hard to take there is no plan b when thinks go wrong and that is up to management to change. There are the players but as I said playing your two best forwards 40 yards away from goal is mind boggling as is o'conner as a target man

klairondavis

Gary Neville wrote: »

If ye can't bate us, then ye may as well pack it in and concentrate on the horses.

That happened a long time ago.

CORKDOUBLE

After watching the game back two things bug me we did fall apart after there goal and why was Brian Hurley played so far out the field in both games ...during the Leauge both himself and Colm were left inside and they scored plenty of goals ...and while Jamie Sull did well in his BEST position Eoin Cads was a huge loss for his leadership ..like Darragh Moloney of RTE said he loves watching Cads play !

Gary Neville

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

After watching the game back two things bug me we did fall apart after there goal and why was Brian Hurley played so far out the field in both games ...during the Leauge both himself and Colm were left inside and they scored plenty of goals ...and while Jamie Sull did well in his BEST position Eoin Cads was a huge loss for his leadership ..like Darragh Moloney of RTE said he loves watching Cads play !

I'd say we'll start the same 6 in defence. I'd prefer to see Shields at 6 and Cronin in the corner provided they have a smallish corner forward - no point in putting Stephen on a 6' 3'' lad. I'd be slow to risk Cads as he'd be vital v Dubs (if we get tru)

I think we'll have to pick Goold at MF with AOC - KOD is better at HF IMO. Deane isn't near the fitness level needed to start.

COD, Hurley, Donncha, Kerrigan, Kelly and Collins all have to start, IMO. Kildare forwards won't be as good as Kerry's so we'll need just 1 sweeper - that'll allow us get better ball to our scoring forwards.

I haven't seen Kildare in ages - I suppose they play a sweeper ?

slingerz

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Some valid point
But Cork football should just give up with respect if we entertainment loosing kerry no big deal


How gods name can cork football change legacy if accept loosing kerry okay


When mcguimness came Donegal he sick being always humiliation Tyrone
He told players no more
They expected beat Tyrone and now dominate them


Cork ladies football had culture failures
New management Ryan changes that mental attributes as expected wanted beat kerry and demanded it
If we don't see loosing kerry is failure let's be honest were just aiming second best and in truth will never change attuide one all ireland twenty years fine


Cork three years ago should been ahead kerry in transition
Kerry now beaten cork three years row
Your view is roll over accept it
With respect cork football deserves more and proper coaching could complete with kerry
I agree other points though

Nope not quite I don't think we can expect to beat Kerry in Killarney every time we go back there though. We are never going to dominate the football landscape year on year that's only natural and the cycle that the current squad is at is behind where Kerry are that's just realism.

Cork need to keep developing though and developing a squad of players to compete. McGuinness developed that squad of players they didn't appear overnight. I don't believe Cuthbert is the man for that role though. The kicker is whoever comes in would need time to develop the team as well

Certainly though the likes of Crowley, White, Vaughan etc should be involved more with the panel but for varying reasons they are not

slingerz

Gary Neville wrote: »

I'd say we'll start the same 6 in defence. I'd prefer to see Shields at 6 and Cronin in the corner provided they have a smallish corner forward - no point in putting Stephen on a 6' 3'' lad. I'd be slow to risk Cads as he'd be vital v Dubs (if we get tru)

I think we'll have to pick Goold at MF with AOC - KOD is better at HF IMO. Deane isn't near the fitness level needed to start.

COD, Hurley, Donncha, Kerrigan, Kelly and Collins all have to start, IMO. Kildare forwards won't be as good as Kerry's so we'll need just 1 sweeper - that'll allow us get better ball to our scoring forwards.

I haven't seen Kildare in ages - I suppose they play a sweeper ?

I honestly am of the opinion that Fintan Goolds time in a Cork jersey is coming to an end and Cork would be better off to give a fresh player a run. I cannot think of a game that he was involved in in championship where he has made a positive impact

thinkstoomuch1

Gary Neville wrote: »

This thread is gone to f......

TTM - you are so negative that's it's depressing to read your comments. I think that you are just looking for an argument. I couldn't be bothered even listing some of the nonsense you've posted about the Football Management.

I'd prefer that we agree to disagree because I'd prefer to post on this thread without engaging in never ending arguments with you or anyone else.

It's time to focus on the Kildare game and the big issue, as Cuthbert pointed out is trying to raise the spirits in such a short time. This team has had to deal with massive adversity and criticism in recent years and hopefully the players can respond yet again. I'm looking forward to, hopefully, to some great games this Summer.

In fairness I debate the points
With greatest respect some points you make don't stand up to merit

Negativity and realism there's a difference
What do you want me to say well beat Dublin
You then make slight I don't support cork just call as it is

I suggest you read tonight echo where writer said it as it was mahony as sub was biggest insult kerry gave cork game was over
He also said Cork would face Dublin and that be that
Just cause you find it negative in fairness I'm not going say cork beat Dublin when most don't think so
All point I raised regards cork football if you can counter debate and say there wrong please do so as I'd love be wrong with cork


You make comments I debate, nobody looking for an argument but let's be totally honest you have the audacity accuse some been entirely anti Cork management just for sake it when yes yes you were absoultey scathing in your critsim cuthbhertt before and got personal enough, not let's be clear
My only problem is you change wind so fast with out any real substance
I'm consistent in when I change there's reason to
You jump on the bandwagon with greatest respect
And you then say thread here gone bad just cause you don't like what you hear
Yet you in fairness barely posted lead up big games prior now haven't posted huge while yet you come on here accuse regular been negative when at least have common courtesy to acknowledge everything they said held true unfortunately this cork team
You don't like opinions fair enough Ignore but don't say it's too negative
You can't expect people say things are good when there not
You may glorify false dawns and think that's acceptable cork football but some actually are paying cork football more respect by demanding and expecting more of the management and team just like kerry and kk do
Have look kerry thread too week ago with proven management kerry correctly critsed fitzmaurice and none this rubbish don't get negative
Have a look you don't believe me

My point are not nonsense in your talking nonsense regarding recall old players proved time again can't do it plus saying we improved last year
Do you honestly think me anyone gets joy blunt on Cork
No we don't but this false dawns nonsense is sickening to hear year on year on year
Also you said you would judge management after kerry game now you say wait again
Just because it takes you an age and you still don't see what others do don't be critical of those that flag things well in advance with the greatest respect




Regards gould seriously as slingerz said has so many games not up this level
Can you please tell me what he done in the league final, v kerry last year, v mayo but give me exact minutes how many times touched ball Saturday?
He barely touched the ball
He was great talent young player year under age eight years ago but due played out position never development
He's time has passed

Shields for years cork spent time converting him to a corner back and now want waste that play him centre
You leave loughrey in the corner
As kerry man said Donoughe destroyed him on kerry thread in forget about one point from play donughe was involved so much kerry build up play loughrey was poor
Yes donughe got ball way out goal but still created so much others
Cronin should man marked him



You are like this management in your picking lads that failed before again
Colm Driscoll was ideal for Saturday in slow game ideal to defend but no way is he suited to Dublin
This game Cork need pace and tempo and creativity
Brian Driscoll has start half forward and great score centre back shows he's better than colm that role
Kevin o Driscoll can't play centre forward as not creative but would play wing back
O rourke if fit would start
You haven't seen Kildare play yet your able tell to us they will cause cork problem

Kildare play a running game, can't shoot past forty five will have loads wides and cribbin will bomb forward a lot
There missing few good key players and don't have depth challenge cork


Kerry tackle count was rugby league style they turned over ball after ball as Cork ran in them

Dry day v Dublin wont make difference in Dublin turnover count highest this year


Team for Dublin should but won't be

Ken
Cronin
Cadogan
Shields
Loughrey
Clancy
Kevin Driscoll
Deane
Fiactra lynch but as not panel o rourke
He played midfield cork minor and once on Fenton should break even


Brian Driscoll
Kelly
Collins
Donnacha playing sheehan role
Colm
Brian
If hurley starts poor goulding bring on


Cork have defence spine and have Collins and Driscoll two trackers can run and kick and score

Kelly is double sweeper
O rourke plays sweeping role also and has engine do it
Kelly pick passes from deep
Driscoll Collins o rourke good runners pass can be used when space available but not like kerry in lateral backwards this passing is going forward at pace
Collins plays more creative forward role

Running in to best blanket defence won't work
Donegal much better running game has been targeted Dublin start year so Cork poorer version won't work
Kerrigan as sub game open up if you had lead but he's style suit Dublin all day long
If cork want target man have get dan maceoin on panel as minor under twenty one never big games let cork down as free v roscommon showed such bullet shot real goal option from close in frees
He's abrasive type strong players also can win ball and score


Alan o connor would be sub but not anywhere near forwards
He's better twenty go cork need leader if ahead
Yes game may be over then but starting him again Dublin they like kerry targeted him will target he's lack pace from the start just like two years ago
Unfair on this great servant as asked do job he can't do

also deane t fully fit now in imo he is and played club games recently

thinkstoomuch1

Hurling team named Thursday

thinkstoomuch1

Cork Kildare in thurles on sky sports

Rumours has it Denis ring likely stay charge minor set up

D'Agger

slingerz wrote: »

I honestly am of the opinion that Fintan Goolds time in a Cork jersey is coming to an end and Cork would be better off to give a fresh player a run. I cannot think of a game that he was involved in in championship where he has made a positive impact

I've never seen the appeal tbh, don't think he's standout at club level & for a guy who's been involved in Cork teams all the way through, I feel he's never kicked on at senior level

thinkstoomuch1

D'Agger wrote: »

I've never seen the appeal tbh, don't think he's standout at club level & for a guy who's been involved in Cork teams all the way through, I feel he's never kicked on at senior level

He's Keith earls rugby

Awesome natural ability but played every position so jack all threads master none
Like earls fine league games but in Europe or all ireland both are found off the pace
Sad see both wonderful natural ability

Smith614

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Cork Kildare in thurles on sky sports

Rumours has it Denis ring likely stay charge minor set up

If its a results based industry then this doesn't make sense. Maybe he did a good job in some peoples eyes but at the end of the day what did he achieve? nothing

thinkstoomuch1

Smith614 wrote: »

If its a results based industry then this doesn't make sense. Maybe he did a good job in some peoples eyes but at the end of the day what did he achieve? nothing

Valid points be fair
He's done better than others last few years but see your point cork need win
Two years showed cork didn't make munster final

I rather him than the rock and dwayne though
Will we beat Galway twice senior intermediate final

thinkstoomuch1

slingerz wrote: »

Nope not quite I don't think we can expect to beat Kerry in Killarney every time we go back there though. We are never going to dominate the football landscape year on year that's only natural and the cycle that the current squad is at is behind where Kerry are that's just realism.

Cork need to keep developing though and developing a squad of players to compete. McGuinness developed that squad of players they didn't appear overnight. I don't believe Cuthbert is the man for that role though. The kicker is whoever comes in would need time to develop the team as well

Certainly though the likes of Crowley, White, Vaughan etc should be involved more with the panel but for varying reasons they are not

Valid points but good manager make cork hugely improved in year one
Mcguimness and fitzmaurice in year one made such kerry Donegal
Kisssne with clare year one
Under twenty one football under poor Anthony Davis twelve years ago beaten waterford year later turned it around
There's no lack direction this set up, dropping players recalling them, playing lads out position, coming out cliches root branch review and this motto do not surrender is meaning less when you see stone age tactics playing midfield never played full forward going in full forward



You can learn so much about management by looking few things

Not one single change bar enforced cadogan and exactly same style play from draw reply when everyone knew Thursday it would rain showed this management don't change


Kerry ahead yes two subs before cork one
Put midfield full forward bombed hail Marys in with mahony in there sweeper


This management like Eammon Sweeneycorrectly said it but he won't be liked by some for saying itytalks good game and is new phenomenon modern day management yet can't do
Mcgenney cuthbhertt Ryan John Owen but he's some good record be fair etc are other example new manager in sport


Rodgers Liverpool
Matt o connor rugby
They all talk about philosophy and not good enough for elite teams yet most media hype them up when a simple look at their coaching record show there good certain teams but not great

Worse thing about all this is kerry in paper aren't exactly much better cork and were there for the taking
The real cruncher when it truly hits home is when cork play Dublin croke park yet kerry have stroll park v westmeath or fermanaghthe same day and while won't get out second gear probably give sloppy performance with always doing enough and never in danger loosing while cork face enormous challenge Dublin who will go for the jugular from the off and Saturday was all ireland cork in sense in game defined season
A must win game
Kerry will be sat back feet up drinking protein shakes watching cork v Dublin game after them with wry smile thinking all hype cork after drawn game yet look where they are now and us


They won't say it in public but joe brolly right two week ago kerry laugh at cork behind closed doors and Cork kerry rivalry isn't actually one any more as kerry always beat Cork


As the paper said galvin being brought on greatest insult cork and indeed kerry were laughing at cork
Fair play paper last night saying it



Give it about week and Tompkins or few more will run interview cork never chance beat Dublin cork going three weeks row so manager can't be judged after that game but Cork gallant twice v kerry blame loss dual players and he think could worked and blame referee and probably advocate cuthbhertt deserves new term for Cork football


The footballing script is so predicable in cork football and like limerick hurling with board and on field play imo two most predicable set up gaa follow


There is never a rock bottom with either in always excuse made by the county boards
It's a shame as limerick have hurling talent and Cork have footballers talent imo

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/david-moran-tops-as-kerry-make-possession-count-343637.html


Clearly show kerry were much better team in almost every department and blows out this nonsense cork were well in the game up kerry Goal and few small things helped kerry
Truth is kerry were dominated team and like I said many times after drawn game kerry would improve immensely and Cork Worry was wouldn't


The part at the end cork have learn again is just imo shows problem in essence this management as every game shows do not learn at all but are remarkable consistent in repeating same mistake over and over again

The lad wrote this is kerry man so I'd say he got enjoyment out this but he's great with stats be fair hurling and football

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-monaghan-s-smart-game-plan-gets-them-over-the-line-1.2291338

Hugely relevant here in different game but very same concept
Look at the heading
Smart game plan beats Donegal
Cork imo had nothing like it or they will never be such headlines cork against big team cork smart game plan beats opponent imo


Mcguimness one best writers around and whether your like him not it's irrelevant
He's views stand test time and logic be fair


Said monaghan were focus on Donegal day one this year half way down the page


Taking on he's point imo look at cavan as examples
Just look cavan they nearly had monaghan
But cavan done best could buy wasn't enough but then roscommon beat them roscommon now beaten
Point is monaghan clearly Donegal in number one focus start year so took eye of ball v cavan and while score line was close truth is cavan no way beaten Donegal but monaghan did



Kerry were like monaghan focus Donegal in kerry focus is Dublin and I actually think fitzmaurice is such management lives challenge wants play Dublin as knows be questions marks over kerry until they play them



Kerry like monaghan took focus off cork in like monaghan v cavan never truly feared them so ran close

Cavan proved never good as monaghan monaghan played below par imo as season unfold kerry drawn game will prove kerry were below normal cork never good made out be



Mcguimness made another key points is easy beat team when you know what there going do
Kerry knew what cork would do and has meeting after game and cleared air and started video assessment that Monday after cork game
Kerry prepared straight away
It showed
Every kerry man from too o se Spillane cork media highlights of Connor was excellent midfield

This was like red flag to a bull in moran and Maher were gunning for road and it showed

Also mcguimness mentioned monaghan didn't use hand passing but kicked ball left to right numerous times
Compare this to cork
Cork hand pass and mcguimness said monaghan didn't take ball in contact but ran in space
Time and time again cork got turn over as ran in to contact




Looking at Donegal monaghan showed two outstanding manager tactically imo with limited panel to cork and monaghan would only have one top forward yet get everything out then
Monaghan Donegal imo haven't many football talents cork but have system gets best out them



Cork talk about blanket defence
Sunday game here showed a blanket defence both teams
If cork met Donegal or monaghan blanket would not win as twenty seven minutes last half football showed cork wouldn't break down their defence as their defence better than kerry defence

Cork football too nice again Saturday
Monaghan lives on edge and won
Cork don't live edge rules and in essence no real rules football now days of hurling just really referee perception on any given day and Cork need learn the dark arts like monaghan Donegal kerry Kilkenny know how play ref and it's well known cody kk spends lot time studying refs and have no doubt kerry do too like new Zealand do in knowing how particular ref control the breakdown so Cork in big games need to assess ref they have he's old games and know what he's likely do as no consistency referring so Cork need to essential game managed referee on each game as well as modern day gaelic-games tactics imo

Gary Neville

slingerz wrote: »

I honestly am of the opinion that Fintan Goolds time in a Cork jersey is coming to an end and Cork would be better off to give a fresh player a run. I cannot think of a game that he was involved in in championship where he has made a positive impact

Management have looked at a lot of options - Dineen, O Laoire, Kiely, KOD, Cadogan, but although you could argue that the first 2 never got an opportunity, it seems as if none of them did enough in training and/or challenge games.

I haven't seen enough of Deane at club or underage IC to make any judgement on his ability but I'm told he's a decent player - however, he looked well of the pace in the short time I saw him in the drawn game. That's not a criticism as he's only coming back from an ACL injury but IMO - he'll need a good league campiagn.

I'd agree that Goold has sometimes not performed to his potential in big games but I can't see any real options now to Goold and AOC, at midfield.

I'd go with the following 15 v Kildare - KOH, Cronin, Jamie Sull, Loughrey, BOD, Shields, Barry O D, AOC, Goold, Kelly, Collins, Kerrigan, CON, Donncha, Hurley. I'm very reluctant to drop KOD but I can't justify omitting anyone else.

Pos087

Is it possible to bring the young lad to see the hurlers train or are they behind closed doors.

thinkstoomuch1

Gary Neville wrote: »

Management have looked at a lot of options - Dineen, O Laoire, Kiely, KOD, Cadogan, but although you could argue that the first 2 never got an opportunity, it seems as if none of them did enough in training and/or challenge games.

I haven't seen enough of Deane at club or underage IC to make any judgement on his ability but I'm told he's a decent player - however, he looked well of the pace in the short time I saw him in the drawn game. That's not a criticism as he's only coming back from an ACL injury but IMO - he'll need a good league campiagn.

I'd agree that Goold has sometimes not performed to his potential in big games but I can't see any real options now to Goold and AOC, at midfield.

I'd go with the following 15 v Kildare - KOH, Cronin, Jamie Sull, Loughrey, BOD, Shields, Barry O D, AOC, Goold, Kelly, Collins, Kerrigan, CON, Donncha, Hurley. I'm very reluctant to drop KOD but I can't justify omitting anyone else.

Completely way way way off the mark

Dinneen outstanding ul camp last year challenge above in meath
You clearly haven't clue what your talking about purely football sense regards dinneen didn't impress with Cork with respect
Leary outstanding cork junior before this year only got one league game last year
Kiely on panel then dropped never got games


Cut out this nonsense clearly management justified by training and challenges matches when clear day there perception of players is off the mark numerous example this
Recall cussen and playing Desmond hazel and Desmond just good club players earlier year showed this

Your team is all over the shop with respect
Half back too attack minded and shield out position
You play corner back half back
No pace midfield
You drop Kevin Driscoll who better defence than Barry and Kevin has start v Dublin much better Barry out position last day

Kerrigan bar goal turnover too many times
You play gould


This isn't fantasy football but elite football at highest level and against Kildare will work but not again Dublin


Your talking absoultey nonsense regarding deane who fit and even if lacks pace faster o connor and actually much much much better big game temperament than gould when outstanding again Dublin under twenty one when cork well beaten around four years ago


Barry o Donovan excellent echo again today said snags starting appear cork team again

thinkstoomuch1

Cadogan doubt for Saturday

thinkstoomuch1

Luke meade outstanding and Eoghan kinrry club weekend two hurlers lot promise imo