UFC 189 - McGregor v Mendes READ MOD WARNING IN 1st POST

Ken Shamrock · 14-07-2015 12:15PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Could it not be both the kicks to body AND the short camp?

No?

Impossible?

Yeah I've said that's what It was numerous! times encase that was indirectly aimed at me...

Saipanne · 14-07-2015 12:17PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Yeah I've said that's what It was numerous! times encase that was indirectly aimed at me...

It's all about you, isn't it?

Davei141 · 14-07-2015 12:19PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Yeah I've said that's what It was numerous! times encase that was indirectly aimed at me...

Yeah pretty funny that was aimed at you considering i haven;t seen one person claim body kicks had no effect, yet plenty saying the short camp is an excuse and it is solely the body kicks.

14-07-2015 12:20PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Yeah I've said that's what It was numerous! times encase that was indirectly aimed at me...

I hear ya Ken. I think what’s happening here is both sides aren’t fully taking in the others arguments (which is usually the case on the internet)

When you say the two week camp was a factor in this loss people think you are saying it is the only reason he lost and with a full camp he would clearly win. Which of course is not what you’re saying. You’re saying it would be a different fight, which I agree it would be.

Now I think the other side are arguing that it may be a different fight if Mendes did had a full camp but they still believe in Conor’s finishing ability and are saying body kicks would do damage. Which again I would agree with but probably would not have hurt him as quick.

I see it from both sides, my opinion would be that Mendes with a full camp would be a tougher fight again. No doubt about that he will take his loss like a man and come back better. But after seeing Conor do this over and over again I would not doubt his abilities to finish Chad again.

Ken Shamrock · 14-07-2015 12:21PM

Davei141 wrote: »

Yeah pretty funny that was aimed at you considering i haven;t seen one person claim body kicks had no effect, yet plenty saying the short camp is an excuse and it is solely the body kicks.

He will play It off like It wasn't aimed at me now tho.

martyos121 · 14-07-2015 12:23PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Could it not be both the kicks to body AND the short camp?

No?

Impossible?

That's the argument half of us are (rightly) making.

The other half believe it's one or the other.

Also, how do we know there aren't even MORE factors in play? We can't say for certain there aren't.

Ken Shamrock · 14-07-2015 12:25PM

martyos121 wrote: »

That's the argument half of us are (rightly) making.

The other half believe it's one or the other.

Also, how do we know there aren't even MORE factors in play? We can't say for certain there aren't.

Could you point me to one person in here that thinks the body shots had no affect?

everlast75 · 14-07-2015 12:26PM

Both sides have a point IMO.

Mendes not having a full camp affected him without a doubt.

However, McGregor training for Aldo and then dealing with a switch with 2 weeks notice affected him too. Mendes even said as much in the ring when being interviewed (class act by the way, as was Conor with him).

It would have been a different fight if both men were fully prepared to fight each other but they weren't and the result is the result.

In some people's eyes, McGregor can't do any good. If he fought Mendes and won, it wasn't a proper victory as Mendes wasn't 100%. If he didn't fight him, he was being sheltered by the UFC and couldn't face a wrestler.

What I took from the fight was that McGregor can take some serious punches/elbows and manage the wrestling part fairly well indeed and so put that part of the criticism to bed.

martyos121 · 14-07-2015 12:29PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Could you point me to one person in here that thinks the body shots had no affect?

There were a few on Sunday morning who were playing down their effect greatly. Not arsed searching back that far for names, but I assure you they exist. There was a lot of crazy posts back then though, the debate is much more civil now.

Ken Shamrock · 14-07-2015 12:30PM

martyos121 wrote: »

There were a few on Sunday morning who were playing down their effect greatly. Not arsed searching back that far for names, but I assure you they exist. There was a lot of crazy posts back then though, the debate is much more civil now.

Aye, those people were the ones who thought the kicks weren't connecting but once almighty Halloway said they were then they were suddenly of the same opinion.

Knex* · 14-07-2015 12:31PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Could it not be both the kicks to body AND the short camp?

No?

Impossible?

DeVore · 14-07-2015 12:34PM

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martyos121 · 14-07-2015 12:35PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Aye, those people were the ones who thought the kicks weren't connecting but once almighty Halloway said they were then they were suddenly of the same opinion.

I can't understand where this MMA experts have gone off to? It's like they are only experts when it comes to one particular fighter from Dublin. :pac:

slicus ricus · 14-07-2015 12:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I hear ya Ken. I think what’s happening here is both sides aren’t fully taking in the others arguments (which is usually the case on the internet)

When you say the two week camp was a factor in this loss people think you are saying it is the only reason he lost and with a full camp he would clearly win. Which of course is not what you’re saying. You’re saying it would be a different fight, which I agree it would be.

Now I think the other side are arguing that it may be a different fight if Mendes did had a full camp but they still believe in Conor’s finishing ability and are saying body kicks would do damage. Which again I would agree with but probably would not have hurt him as quick.

I see it from both sides, my opinion would be that Mendes with a full camp would be a tougher fight again. No doubt about that he will take his loss like a man and come back better. But after seeing Conor do this over and over again I would not doubt his abilities to finish Chad again.

^^^
This, could not agree more!

Ken Shamrock wrote:

He will play It off like It wasn't aimed at me now tho.

Who cares, none of this should be personally aimed at anyone. We're all just here for healthy discussion.

Ken Shamrock · 14-07-2015 12:47PM

slicus ricus wrote: »

Who cares, none of this should be personally aimed at anyone. We're all just here for healthy discussion.

Just an observation mate, It shouldn't be personal but some people make It personal.

JustTheOne · 14-07-2015 12:54PM

I wonder where those body kicks the plan for aldo but just despatched on Mendes?

Knex* · 14-07-2015 12:56PM

DeVore wrote: »

As someone who's recovering from a hernia, this almost makes me feel sick. :pac:

Watching that kick live during the fight it wouldn't have seemed like much, but you can bet that with the accuracy of it, and the weight behind it, it takes it toll.

Ken Shamrock · 14-07-2015 12:56PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I wonder where those body kicks the plan for aldo but just despatched on Mendes?

A lot of people think so. Aldo will have gotten an advantage now seeing that.

martyos121 · 14-07-2015 01:00PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I wonder where those body kicks the plan for aldo but just despatched on Mendes?

I'd imagine so, it's an effective strategy. Given Conor's scary accuracy with those body kicks, he should be trying to perfect a good liver kick which will dismantle any opponent. You can't train for getting a shot to the liver, it's one of the most painful experiences there is and it shuts your body down from the inside.

Ken Shamrock · 14-07-2015 01:01PM

martyos121 wrote: »

I'd imagine so, it's an effective strategy. Given Conor's scary accuracy with those body kicks, he should be trying to perfect a good liver kick which will dismantle any opponent. You can't train for getting a shot to the liver, it's one of the most painful experiences there is and it shuts your body down from the inside.

I wonder If Bas would be up for training with him :pac:

JustTheOne · 14-07-2015 01:09PM

martyos121 wrote: »

I'd imagine so, it's an effective strategy. Given Conor's scary accuracy with those body kicks, he should be trying to perfect a good liver kick which will dismantle any opponent. You can't train for getting a shot to the liver, it's one of the most painful experiences there is and it shuts your body down from the inside.

Would have been interesting to see how aldo would have dealt with them.

Was a good idea probably missed the opportunity now.

Davei141 · 14-07-2015 01:11PM

Rory landed quite a lot of those kicks in the first round against Lawler but seemed to just stop throwing them. Seeing more and more fighters throw those teeps lately, quite effective.

LollipopJimmy · 14-07-2015 01:28PM

Just to side step a bit. Having a right laugh at the social media posts 'the guvverment won't even bodder having an open top bus lik the football team'

I'm assuming Conor won't be back for a while given TUF stuff. I heard him say he's been home 19 days so far this year. Tough life

CurryFlavoured · 14-07-2015 01:28PM

Davei141 wrote: »

Rory landed quite a lot of those kicks in the first round against Lawler but seemed to just stop throwing them. Seeing more and more fighters throw those teeps lately, quite effective.

Wobbling Lawler at the end of the 3rd both made and killed Rory's chances. He put so much into finishing him at the end of the 3rd and start of 4th that he had nothing left from the end of the 4th onwards.

dodderangler · 14-07-2015 01:41PM

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Just to side step a bit. Having a right laugh at the social media posts 'the guvverment won't even bodder having an open top bus lik the football team'

I'm assuming Conor won't be back for a while given TUF stuff. I heard him say he's been home 19 days so far this year. Tough life

I know. I feel so sorry for him having to have his bed made out of gold and dollar bills. Poor fcuker.
And must be hard for him killing them elephants to make his suits

Davei141 · 14-07-2015 01:59PM

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

Wobbling Lawler at the end of the 3rd both made and killed Rory's chances. He put so much into finishing him at the end of the 3rd and start of 4th that he had nothing left from the end of the 4th onwards.

Contributed no doubt along with having his nose broken early on and eating those jabs. Shame he couldn't survive it out but props to Robbie for finishing it.

LollipopJimmy · 14-07-2015 02:08PM

Davei141 wrote: »

Contributed no doubt along with having his nose broken early on and eating those jabs. Shame he couldn't survive it out but props to Robbie for finishing it.

Lawler came out like a man possessed in the 5th. He knew he had to finish the fight so it was a win it or bin it mentality. Experience showed too. McDonald had never been 5 rounds before

Zero-Cool · 14-07-2015 02:13PM

Lads, have a look at this, just beautiful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwtS5f65ycI

Saipanne · 14-07-2015 02:13PM

To those who went to Vegas. How long did you go for, and what did it cost, all in?

If you don't mind me asking.

CurryFlavoured · 14-07-2015 02:16PM

Davei141 wrote: »

Contributed no doubt along with having his nose broken early on and eating those jabs. Shame he couldn't survive it out but props to Robbie for finishing it.

Rory landed more volume but Rob hits harder and it showed. That big melon head of his helped too, he took some shots straight after the head kick that should have finished the fight. Fantastic endurance as well.

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