UFC 189 - McGregor v Mendes *READ MOD WARNING IN 1st POST*

callaway92

stephenl15 wrote: »

What's wrong with it?

Lot of unproven guesswork which to the casual would seem correct but quite a bit is false.

Bandana boy

Dtp1979 wrote: »

How come Rory McDonald got so little for his fight?? He's been top 5 for years. 59k seems very little

I believe he got another $40K off Reebok and will get a bonus for fight of the night somewhere in the region of ~$50K

stephenl15

callaway92 wrote: »

Lot of unproven guesswork which to the casual would seem correct but quite a bit is false.

Fair enough but he's not claiming it to be proven

Ken Shamrock

Oh my, people still going on about 2 weeks meaning nothing, If 2 weeks meant nothing then every fighter would do a 2 week camp, FFS It was a huge factor If not the deciding factor in that fight. No doubt a full camp Mendes would be the favourite against McGregor, If you need a professional fighter to say something for It to mean anything to you then here.

https://twitter.com/BasRuttenMMA/status/620629341903327232

JustTheOne

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Oh my, people still going on about 2 weeks meaning nothing, If 2 weeks meant nothing then every fighter would do a 2 week camp, FFS It was a huge factor If not the deciding factor in that fight. No doubt a full camp Mendes would be the favourite against McGregor, If you need a professional fighter to say something for It to mean anything to you then here.

https://twitter.com/BasRuttenMMA/status/620629341903327232

You just can't be happy for the chap can you?

Bitter.

That_Guy

JustTheOne wrote: »

You just can't be happy for the chap can you?

Bitter.

I'm delighted for Conor. He's the reason I forked out all that cash to go over there.

I don't necessarily believe that the short notice thing was the defining factor but certainly played some part.

That being said, Mendes caused McGregor a lot of problems. He's still a very technically gifted fighter with or without the training camp behind him in that regard.

Body kicks, getting hit and a big adrenaline dump will also play into it too.

Mendes made no excuses for anything. He got caught despite being on top. It happens.

Factoring all of these things in, I'm ecstatic for Conor and becomes only the 3rd European UFC champion (male anyway).

Ken Shamrock

JustTheOne wrote: »

You just can't be happy for the chap can you?

Bitter.

I never mentioned McGregor? I already said I was happy for him? I'm far from bitter, just trying to prove a point. People mocking the 2 weeks in here like It meant nothing just show's absolute ignorance.

Easy Rod

darced wrote: »

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I hardly think Holloway is trying to live off a loss to Conor considering he's rolled off 6 wins on that trot since.

ibrahimovic

Please excuse my ignorance, but I heard Ariel say after the fight that the judges scored both rounds to Mendes, just wondering how with these stats. The takedowns?

Professey Chin

Takedowns and control after it. Takedowns carry a lot of weight in scoring

That_Guy

ibrahimovic wrote: »

Please excuse my ignorance, but I heard Ariel say after the fight that the judges scored both rounds to Mendes, just wondering how with these stats. The takedowns?

Chad was in a dominant position for large periods of the two rounds. Takedowns are big in terms of scoring particularly when it can be a close enough round.

The fact that he held Conor down and looked to be chasing submissions is a big factor in winning rounds.

Conor got back up late in the second round and landed the fatal blow and while it won him the fight, it didn't win him the round if that makes any sense.

Ken Shamrock

ibrahimovic wrote: »

Please excuse my ignorance, but I heard Ariel say after the fight that the judges scored both rounds to Mendes, just wondering how with these stats. The takedowns?

The stats vary on every single website you go to, they all have Chad being more accurate on strikes ans Sig strikes and obviously take downs. He had 4 takedowns on some sites, three on others, McGregor had 120 shots on one and 80 on others.

It's all a load of crap really, watch the fight yourself and try and score It maybe. I watched It again last night and It was tight, lot of McGregors work went unnoticed but I'm not surprised that they had Chad winning both rounds, took the first one 10-9 according to official UFC and most definitely won the 2nd up to the point where he got knocked out which of course makes scoring irrelevant

slicus ricus

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Oh my, people still going on about 2 weeks meaning nothing, If 2 weeks meant nothing then every fighter would do a 2 week camp, FFS It was a huge factor If not the deciding factor in that fight.

Are people really saying the 2 week notice and training camp means nothing though?

I certainly wouldn't say that, I think it definitely had an impact but I do think there were other elements contributing to Mendes being gassed (as well as the short camp which was undoubtedly a factor) such as:
- the kicks to the body knocking the wind out of Mendes,
- the intense effort Mendes put in on the ground in trying to get the finish while McGregor was in a relaxed state being very efficient with his movement,
- the fact that McGregor was sh*t talking on the ground the whole time saying "Is that all you got, that's nothing" was bound to have had a psychological effect, knowing that you're throwing your best at a guy and he's telling you that.

In reality, there were so many factors in play here that I cannot agree with you that the 2 week camp was "the deciding factor in that fight". There's just too many possibilities to say that.

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

No doubt a full camp Mendes would be the favourite against McGregor, If you need a professional fighter to say something for It to mean anything to you then here.

I think there is serious doubt over whether a full camp Mendes would be favourite against McGregor. The part you are leaving out is that McGregor only had 2 weeks to prepare for a world class wrestler and was allegedly injured in the lead up to the fight which allegedly affected his cardio and made his cut more difficult. I say allegedly because the injury stuff hasn't been confirmed but it seems very clear to me that McGregor was well below 100% going into the fight.

ibrahimovic

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

The stats vary on every single website you go to, they all have Chad being more accurate on strikes ans Sig strikes and obviously take downs. He had 4 takedowns on some sites, three on others, McGregor had 120 shots on one and 80 on others.

It's all a load of crap really, watch the fight yourself and try and score It maybe. I watched It again last night and It was tight, lot of McGregors work went unnoticed but I'm not surprised that they had Chad winning both rounds, took the first one 10-9 according to official UFC and most definitely won the 2nd up to the point where he got knocked out which of course makes scoring irrelevant

Yeah i noticed the crowd didn't really react to a lot of Conors kicks, i've watched the fight 8 times now, in slow motion and all, need to get over this and get on with my work :P

Ken Shamrock

slicus ricus wrote: »

Are people really saying the 2 week notice and training camp means nothing though?

I certainly wouldn't say that, I think it definitely had an impact but I do think there were other elements contributing to Mendes being gassed (as well as the short camp which was undoubtedly a factor) such as:
- the kicks to the body knocking the wind out of Mendes,
- the intense effort Mendes put in on the ground in trying to get the finish while McGregor was in a relaxed state being very efficient with his movement,
- the fact that McGregor was sh*t talking on the ground the whole time saying "Is that all you got, that's nothing" was bound to have had a psychological effect, knowing that you're throwing your best at a guy and he's telling you that.

In reality, there were so many factors in play here that I cannot agree with you that the 2 week camp was "the deciding factor in that fight". There's just too many possibilities to say that.

Yes people are saying that, people are saying It makes no difference It's a sh1t excuse and are taking the piss out of It on here before my very eyes :eek:

Of course there were a lot of factors including kicks we discussed all this yesterday, I never said It WAS the deciding factor now now.

As for people thinking Mendes might have been gassed normally, I just don't get It, I watched this guy go 25 minutes with the pound for pound world no.1 and looked like he could have done 25 more.

9 minutes into the fight on Sat he was dead, It's fairly obvious It was a huge factor.

slicus ricus wrote: »

I think there is serious doubt over whether a full camp Mendes would be favourite against McGregor. The part you are leaving out is that McGregor only had 2 weeks to prepare for a world class wrestler and was allegedly injured in the lead up to the fight which allegedly affected his cardio and made his cut more difficult. I say allegedly because the injury stuff hasn't been confirmed but it seems very clear to me that McGregor was well below 100% going into the fight.

IMO Mendes would best McGregor with a full camp, I'm not saying that's gospel fact. Just my opinion. I didn't leave that part out we discussed this yesterday as well man. If would have been a different fight for many reasons not just Chad's cardio.

califano

There should be less stock made for take downs in scoring a fight if they want to discourage boring wrestlers. They should treat take downs like they do octagon control which is meant to be a scoring factor but never really is.

Davei141

califano wrote: »

There should be less stock made for take downs in scoring a fight if they want to discourage boring wrestlers. They should treat take downs like they do octagon control which is meant to be a scoring factor but never really is.

There is much less stock in take downs these days, i really don't see how Conor wouldn't be 2 rounds down if it went to the 3rd. I thought that much was obvious.

jjdonegal

califano wrote: »

There should be less stock made for take downs in scoring a fight if they want to discourage boring wrestlers. They should treat take downs like they do octagon control which is meant to be a scoring factor but never really is.

Wrestling aint boring. Maybe that is just me though.

Ken Shamrock

califano wrote: »

There should be less stock made for take downs in scoring a fight if they want to discourage boring wrestlers. They should treat take downs like they do octagon control which is meant to be a scoring factor but never really is.

Wrestling is a huge part of MMA, whether you find It boring or not It's very important and controlling someone on the mat Is huge, If mendes stood up that whole fight It would have been over a lot quicker.

califano

jjdonegal wrote: »

Wrestling aint boring. Maybe that is just me though.

Its good i just mean for fighters who just want to blanket you when they get you down. Should at least be stood up sooner than it is.

Davei141

califano wrote: »

Its good i just mean for fighters who just want to blanket you when they get you down. Should at least be stood up sooner than it is.

Refs are pretty quick to jump on stalling these days.

califano

Davei141 wrote: »

Refs are pretty quick to jump on stalling these days.

Yeah getting a bit better thankfully.

Davei141

califano wrote: »

Yeah getting a bit better thankfully.

If only they would be quicker to break up the god awful "push against the cage and clinch for 3 minutes doing feck all" crap that we see quite a lot. At least holding someone down takes skill!

Ken Shamrock

Davei141 wrote: »

If only they would be quicker to break up the god awful "push against the cage and clinch for 3 minutes doing feck all" crap that we see quite a lot. At least holding someone down takes skill!

I don't mind that too much in the latter stages of a fight when guys are clearly getting their breath back, much like in a boxing match but man when that sh1t starts early on It's piss break time.

califano

Davei141 wrote: »

If only they would be quicker to break up the god awful "push against the cage and clinch for 3 minutes doing feck all" crap that we see quite a lot. At least holding someone down takes skill!

Yeah refs are very wary of breaking up this so quick for fear of criticism.

Irishcrx

Jesus H. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course but Mendes took around 25 strikes to the body from the argueably the best and hardest hitting striker in the division and it knocked the wind right out of him which is obviously what the game plan was.

Would a full camp have helped? Yes of course it would, would it have stopped Conor adding another 25 body shots in the next round and having the same result? Probably not as Conor is the better striker and was finding the body shots easily enough.

So full camp or not Conors game plan worked and a full camp IMO may or not only have prolonged Mendes going down from his body being in agony.

You can see in the fight he starts dropping his hands lower to defend his body after the shots, you see this at the end when they get back to their feet he knows his body is wrecked and keeps his hands low...Which was probably also in Conors game plan and then right..left...floor goodnight..

Bandana boy

I think with a full camp for both fighters Conor would have won in one round not Two !.

He predicted Aldo in one round ,adjusted it to two as he was not as well prepared for Mendes as he was Aldo.
The short build up helped Mendes as he did not have the 6 weeks travelling the world getting Pscyhed out of it by Conor.

Ken Shamrock

Irishcrx wrote: »

Jesus H. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course but Mendes took around 25 strikes to the body from the argueably the best and hardest hitting striker in the division and it knocked the wind right out of him which is obviously what the game plan was.

Would a full camp have helped? Yes of course it would, would it have stopped Conor adding another 25 body shots in the next round and having the same result? Probably not as Conor is the better striker and was finding the body shots easily enough.

So full camp or not Conors game plan worked and a full camp IMO may or not only have prolonged Mendes going down from his body being in agony.

You can see in the fight he starts dropping his hands lower to defend his body after the shots, you see this at the end when they get back to their feet he knows his body is wrecked and keeps his hands low...Which was probably also in Conors game plan and then right..left...floor goodnight..

If Conor's game plan was to get rag dolled and lie on his back eating elbows then what you are saying might hold through but It wasn't. A full camp does not prolong Mendes' death, Mendes controlled the fight and went for an early finish because the guy was gassed he would not have been gassed at that stage with a full camp body shots or not. I find It hard to see the 25 body shots when I watch the fight also.

Mendes' hands went down at the end not to protect his body but because he was gassed and he couldn't keep his hands up they were dead from holding McGregor down. I appreciate your opinion man, I'm not here to belittle anyone or say they are wrong but the bias Is just overwhelming in here.

If Conor took this on short notice had a 2 week camp went out controlled the fight and then gassed and lost what would people say? Would the camp be relevant then? you know where I'm coming from?

Saipanne

Could it not be both the kicks to body AND the short camp?

No?

Impossible?

slicus ricus

Saipanne wrote: »

Could it not be both the kicks to body AND the short camp?

No?

Impossible?

That's what I'm going with anyway!