UFC 189 - McGregor v Mendes *READ MOD WARNING IN 1st POST*

sonofenoch

JJayoo wrote: »

sonofenoch wrote: »

What that Chad Mendes with a 2 week camp isn't gonna be anything close to Chad Mendes with a full camp? if you don't understand this then there is no hope for you

No hope and without a clue......I'm in a bad way aren't I .......can I ask again what experience you have in the field? makes no difference really but would help understand if you know what you're talking about or just well bull****ting

JJayoo

sonofenoch wrote: »

JJayoo wrote: »

No hope and without a clue......I'm in a bad way aren't I .......can I ask again what experience you have in the field? makes no difference really but would help understand if you know what you're talking about or just well bull****ting

Oh shucks well I probably don't have as many blackbelts in UFC as you have.

darced

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sonofenoch

JJayoo wrote: »

sonofenoch wrote: »

Oh shucks well I probably don't have as many blackbelts in UFC as you have.

But I have none, zip! .......but I've not stated any opinion as fact while calling others clueless either

JJayoo

sonofenoch wrote: »

JJayoo wrote: »

But I have none, zip! .......but I've not stated any opinion as fact while calling others clueless either

The only opinion I stated as fact is that Mendes with a 2 week camp does not compare to Mendes with a full camp, which you disagree with

Subcomandante Marcos

Ok so I watched the fight several times now and keep coming to one conclusion. If there was a rematch and Mendes had a full camp, I think he wins.

When Mendes went for the guillotine near the end of the Second and it didn't work, he put the last of his energy reserves into that attempt because he felt he could finish it then and there.
I fully believe he went into it hoping to make McGregor tap out or put him on his back and get a TKO inside the first 2 rounds because he knew he didn't have 5 in him.

When the guillotine failed and McGregor got up, he just looked like he knew it was over and he didn't have the reserves to go again.

Mendes has had problems with Stamina before, but never to that extent, and the body kicks aren't the reason he gassed, two weeks prep was.

To an extent this fight proved Mendes and Edger right, Conor doesn't know how to deal with a high end wrestler and his takedown defence against someone who can shoot effectively is very, very suspect.

I believe that watching that match Aldo came away thinking "If I can't outstrike him, I'll just ground him". Aldo is a blackbelt in both Luta Livre and BJJ, he might not use his ground game much, but he has it, and if he thinks it's in his interest to, I believe he'll use it.

All that said, McGregor's left is the most dangerous weapon in UFC right now and anyone who tries to stay on their feet with him at 145 is going to get knocked the feck out.

froog

darced wrote: »

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mendes is an elite professional athlete, he doesn't gas after 1 round no matter how short his camp was. he got hit repeatedly by conor's body kicks.

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/how-many-kicks-did-conor-actually-land-numbers-inside-3030551/

Old Perry

darced wrote: »

I dont think anyone claimed they had no effect as they obviously did but a better conditioned fighter shakes them off much easier.
I just watched it there and maximium of 5 of those kicks landed properly and with enough force to do damage.

I really would only see two kicks and one punch that I would consider really hard shots,remember Jose was lighting Chad up with the left to the body with no real effect.

id agree mendes faired out so much better in aldo vs mendes2. i cant be searching through thread now but there was ongoing comments on how conors kicks didnt look so heavy and how such a kick would take time to gas ya either way.
I wont argue about numbers, and ill state im no athlete but ive takin direct kicks and punchs to the midrift. i aint no mendes either but five of those proprly landed, conditioned or or not, will have the intended affect. i mean conor isnt throwin them just to pass time.

CurryFlavoured

@Subcomandante Marcos

I agree with every word.

sonofenoch

JJayoo wrote: »

sonofenoch wrote: »

The only opinion I stated as fact is that Mendes with a 2 week camp does not compare to Mendes with a full camp, which you disagree with

You also stated categorically that Mendes couldn't have been gassed (it's a new term for me but I'll go along with it) by those body shots alone and I was clueless for not understanding that........it would have helped if you had first hand experience here but no matter.........Max Holloway seemed to think differently so I'll go with that in the belief he wasn't paid to say it (a conspiracy yet to be thrown up)

Saipanne

Me too, guys. The forty kicks to the body had zero effect.

darced

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JustTheOne

darced wrote: »

I said I just watched it and there are only a few hard kicks the rest are not powerful or completely missed the target.

Why do you think Conor was spamming bodyshots? because he knows Chad had no camp and wouldn't have the conditioning needed.

Good conditioning helps absorb punishment to the body,why is that so hard to accept?

Seriously how in God's name do you know which kicks were doing damage or not?

He even said it only him and Chad know how powerful they were.

You're opinion is based off guessing.

BaZmO*

JustTheOne wrote: »

Seriously how in God's name do you know which kicks were doing damage or not?

He even said it only him and Chad know how powerful they were.

You're opinion is based off guessing.

Well it has been scientifically proven that his kicks are twice as powerful as his punches, and I'm no expert but I've heard his punches are pretty powerful.

JustTheOne

BaZmO* wrote: »

Well it has been scientifically proven that his kicks are twice as powerful as his punches, and I'm no expert but I've heard his punches are pretty powerful.

I think we're agreeing here.

JustTheOne

BaZmO* wrote: »

Well it has been scientifically proven that his kicks are twice as powerful as his punches, and I'm no expert but I've heard his punches are pretty powerful.

I think we're agreeing here.

BaZmO*

JustTheOne wrote: »

I think we're agreeing here.

That's a relief!

darced

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Feckthis

I know feck all about MMA/UFC. And I'll feck off after this post. What if say Chad didn't go for the submission and just stayed on top of Conor hitting him elbows?! Don't think Conor would have being able to get up!? Conor could give him elbows back but chads seemed to have more effect. I'll feck off now.

JustTheOne

darced wrote: »

Its not rocket science,your opinion is based of guessing,how do you know any of the kicks did any damage at all?

Why cant there be a middle ground,it would be ridiculous to suggest they had no effect same as the two week notice didnt effect Chads conditioning.

My opinion is based off watching each kick knock more out of Mendes to the point of him not been able to breathe properly anymore.

JJayoo

sonofenoch wrote: »

JJayoo wrote: »

You also stated categorically that Mendes couldn't have been gassed (it's a new term for me but I'll go along with it) by those body shots alone and I was clueless for not understanding that........it would have helped if you had first hand experience here but no matter.........Max Holloway seemed to think differently so I'll go with that in the belief he wasn't paid to say it (a conspiracy yet to be thrown up)

Nope once again you are making things up :rolleyes: I actually said

And if you honestly think that Mendes being absolutely gassed within two rounds, even after he spent a good chunk of those rounds on top of McGregor on the ground, is the same as Mendes with a full camp who can go all out for 5 rounds, ie the Aldo fight, then you really haven't a clue

Subcomandante Marcos

Feckthis wrote: »

I know feck all about MMA/UFC. And I'll feck off after this post. What if say Chad didn't go for the submission and just stayed on top of Conor hitting him elbows?!

He'd have got to the end of the round 20-17 up but absolutely knackered and after a rest in the corner might have had enough in him for one more takedown attempt to try and close it out. But there's no was he would have lasted 5 rounds.

martyos121

Some people are making good arguments about Chad's stamina, but the kicks played a definite part, the extent of which we don't know, but they were a factor.

As Conor put it, if you keep stabbing the gas tank, eventually you'll puncture it, and I believe that's what happened. The daily workouts at TAM are rigorous, they don't just teach technique, they teach energy management and patience. Looks at what TJ did to Barao for example, he came at him with great energy and force for four full rounds, and finished him off in the last. Cardio isn't something you can just work on in a training camp, you have to live by it to some degree, and seeing clips from the TAM workouts, they take it very seriously.

Those body kicks absolutely drain the life out of you, simple as that. The fact that Chad only had two weeks to condition himself for five rounds did of course factor into it, but when a high-calibre athlete like him can barely take a breath after just five minutes, there's something more to it than conditioning.
Just my two cents.

JustTheOne

JJayoo wrote: »

sonofenoch wrote: »

Nope once again you are making things up :rolleyes: I actually said

He spent 3 minutes of the second on top and about one minute of the first on top.

Where are you getting a large chunk of each round?

CurryFlavoured

Conors a worthy winner, but anyone who doesn't think a full camp wouldve made a difference is living in la la land. Watch Mendes intensity against Aldo then watch it against Conor (even very early on before kicks had accumulated), its not even comparable. He wasn't near as active with his footwork which stood out most to me, it made him easier to hit.

darced

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Panthro

Can't wait for this fight....

JustTheOne

Wonder how much his knee injury hampered his training.

Also the media obligations etc he looked wrecked before the fight.

Could argue Chad had none of this pressure to deal with or a bad injury.

JJayoo

JustTheOne wrote: »

JJayoo wrote: »

He spent 3 minutes of the second on top and about one minute of the first on top.

Where are you getting a large chunk of each round?

I actually said

he spent a good chunk of those rounds on top

I like how people try to misquote in order to prove some point.

And yes I would say 3 minutes of a 5 minute round is a good chunk. Or 4 minutes out off a 10 minute fight time

JustTheOne

JJayoo wrote: »

JustTheOne wrote: »

I actually said

I like how people try to misquote in order to prove some point.

And yes I would say 3 minutes of a 5 minute round is a good chunk. Or 4 minutes out off a 10 minute fight time

So he spent more time on his feet than on the ground.