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Meath GAA discussion thread

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    Hibbeler wrote: »
    So you know how I was saying earlier about how I couldn't find a particular piece of footage on YouTube, well....



    Hopefully this weekend we can win without divine intervention! Had to feel that Westmeath were very unfortunate that day
    Great find.
    Was never a free in the first place so justice was done in the end I suppose :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭Just An Opinion


    Great find.
    Was never a free in the first place so justice was done in the end I suppose :pac:

    My word, how did he miss that free? I never realised how in front of the posts he was, I was actually in a taxi in Mullingar listening to that moment live on the radio, I thought the driver was going to drive us into the ditch after he missed what she didn't scream when it went wide. I shat myself tbh!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    My word, how did he miss that free? I never realised how in front of the posts he was, I was actually in a taxi in Mullingar listening to that moment live on the radio, I thought the driver was going to drive us into the ditch after he missed what she didn't scream when it went wide. I shat myself tbh!
    Made even more amazing given that he put a sideline over from an impossible angle just moments before to level.

    Dolan was a magnificent and likeable player so I felt sorry for him. Definitely didn't feel sorry for the 50+ year old Westmeath fan in front of me who turned around and laughed in our faces when the free was given. To make it even sweeter, he turned his back on the game as soon as it left his boot to gloat some more. Took him a good 10 seconds to realise he'd missed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭mattser


    Made even more amazing given that he put a sideline over from an impossible angle just moments before to level.

    Dolan was a magnificent and likeable player so I felt sorry for him. Definitely didn't feel sorry for the 50+ year old Westmeath fan in front of me who turned around and laughed in our faces when the free was given. To make it even sweeter, he turned his back on the game as soon as it left his boot to gloat some more. Took him a good 10 seconds to realise he'd missed.

    Priceless Hammer. I'd love to have seen that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Hibbeler


    Think McGill should be back as should Newman. O'Rourke and Gillespie will almost certainly be still out. Hopefully there hasn't been any more bad luck with Menton and Kevin Reilly.
    Disappointing result today. Not the first time Wexford have nicked it in the last minute against us.

    I would definitely be feeling more confident going into the weekend if all of those were available, would be a much stronger team than the one available against wicklow


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    McGill Burke Newman Menton in. K Reilly named at 9. If fit I'd imagine he'll do a job on Heaslin.
    Has Flanagan picked up an injury? Possible dummy team


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭dixiefly


    iDave wrote: »
    McGill Burke Newman Menton in. K Reilly named at 9. If fit I'd imagine he'll do a job on Heaslin.
    Has Flanagan picked up an injury? Possible dummy team

    It is hard to know alright, teams have been changed late on a lot of occasions so it is difficult to be confident that this is the team that will start.

    Changes overall are positive.

    Hard luck to the Juniors, Last minute sucker punch. I don't know what happened Alan Douglas. Seems to have been an innocuous black card.


  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Hibbeler


    The full team for Sunday

    Meath (SFC v Westmeath):
    1. Patrick O'Rourke (Skryne)
    2. James McEntee (Curraha)
    3.Conor McGill (Ratoath)
    4. Donncha Tobin (Blackhall Gaels)
    5. Mickey Burke (Longwood)
    6. Donal Keogan (Rathkenny) Capt.
    7. Bryan Menton (Donaghmore Ashbourne)
    8. Harry Rooney (Skryne)
    9. Kevin Reilly (Navan O Mahony's)
    10. Graham Reilly (St. Colmcille's)
    11. Padraic Harnan (Moynalvey)
    12. Andrew Tormey (Donaghmore Ashbourne)
    13. Michael Newman (Kilmainham)
    14. Stephen Bray (Navan O'Mahony's)
    15. Brian McMahon (Ratoath)

    I'm fairly happy with this selection tbh and am expecting a much improved performance on the last day.

    Interesting selection to put K Reilly in midfield, perhaps he will slot in at CHB and allow Keoghan to move to the full back line?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    Sad news from Tunisia today. Condolences to Dunderry GAA


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭RugbyLover123


    Hibbeler wrote: »
    The full team for Sunday

    Meath (SFC v Westmeath):
    1. Patrick O'Rourke (Skryne)
    2. James McEntee (Curraha)
    3.Conor McGill (Ratoath)
    4. Donncha Tobin (Blackhall Gaels)
    5. Mickey Burke (Longwood)
    6. Donal Keogan (Rathkenny) Capt.
    7. Bryan Menton (Donaghmore Ashbourne)
    8. Harry Rooney (Skryne)
    9. Kevin Reilly (Navan O Mahony's)
    10. Graham Reilly (St. Colmcille's)
    11. Padraic Harnan (Moynalvey)
    12. Andrew Tormey (Donaghmore Ashbourne)
    13. Michael Newman (Kilmainham)
    14. Stephen Bray (Navan O'Mahony's)
    15. Brian McMahon (Ratoath)


    Whats the story with Eamonn Wallace is he injured or recovering from injury still? I'd definitely have him as a starter.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Hibbeler


    Minors lost today to Longford by 1-9 to 0-8 disappointing.

    Also interesting to note that Armagh beat Wicklow by 10 points today but there was only 1 point between them going into the last few minutes when Armagh scored 2-3 which seems to have made the scoreline quite flattering for them. Wicklow clearly performed well in bothe their games this year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭rpurfield


    Hibbeler wrote: »
    Minors lost today to Longford by 1-9 to 0-8 disappointing.

    Also interesting to note that Armagh beat Wicklow by 10 points today but there was only 1 point between them going into the last few minutes when Armagh scored 2-3 which seems to have made the scoreline quite flattering for them. Wicklow clearly performed well in bothe their games this year

    Disappointing week so far with the minors and juniors losing. Winning trophies is a habit we've fallen out of big time as a county.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 155 ✭✭HighKing33


    rpurfield wrote: »
    Disappointing week so far with the minors and juniors losing. Winning trophies is a habit we've fallen out of big time as a county.

    These things move in cycles. The current crop of players on the senior squad is very talented. We're centainly capable of challenging for leinster.

    I would wager good money that's a dummy team. Unlikely that Kevin Reilly will play midfield, I would expect to see Menton move to centrefield with Kevin Reilly going to full-back alongside McGill.

    Keogan is O'Dowd's first choice no.6. I don't get this - he's perhaps the best man-marker in the squad yet we typically play a centre-back who defends zonally. He's an excellent tackler though and often creates turnovers which set us up for a counter-attack, that's our chief tactic so there is some logic to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    meath are putting in some performance.... dubs wont fancy facing them nor will any team....


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    meath are putting in some performance.... dubs wont fancy facing them nor will any team....

    Both teams are poor.

    Awful to watch.

    Yer getting ahead of yourself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Hibbeler


    gladrags wrote: »
    Both teams are poor.

    Awful to watch.

    Yer getting ahead of yourself.

    Ah here, Meath played very well in that first half albeit aided by a very poor display from Westmeath.

    The Meath full forward line have 2-7 from play so far which is not to be sniffed at


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭Rock Lesnar


    Just taught i'd nip in here during half time to say, Its good to see that Direct ball into the forwards does work, and we can do it, hopefully micko doesn't decide to go back to packing the defense 2nd half


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Al_Coholic


    Again the defense is shockingly porous


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Al_Coholic


    pile of crap...as bad as meaths defense has been the decision making by the forwards has been worse in 2nd half

    disgraceful ....also i have not seen any improvement with meath under mick o dowd..he has to leave


  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Hibbeler


    well ffs!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    meath are putting in some performance.... dubs wont fancy facing them nor will any team....

    Dubs be more worried about Westmeath if any, I reckon .....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    meath are putting in some performance.... dubs wont fancy facing them nor will any team....

    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭Rock Lesnar


    Well what can i say, iv'e said it all along, there has been zero improvement under mick o'dowd but still taught we'd win today, but we went back to packing the defense which i feared he would do at half time and we invited them to attack, and attack they did, and we folded again, we tried to change it but it was to late, the legs were gone,


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    my friend wrote: »
    Meath - the new Cavan

    Living far too long on past glories, it used to be something to be 'on the Meath team'

    Nowadays we have mere peacocks strutting about as members of a team that purportedly represents Meath

    Meath - the new Cavan, it really has sunk to this

    Posted this a few weeks ago, rings truer than ever today.

    Shameful stuff

    Mick O'Dowd, Kevin Reilly and Paddy O'Rourke for pasture


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Al_Coholic


    why was Harry Rooney taken off,i thought he was our only midfielder who played well today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,315 ✭✭✭Sam Hain


    meath are putting in some performance.... dubs wont fancy facing them nor will any team....

    how embarrassing :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭westernfrenzy


    that was shocking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭Rock Lesnar


    that was shocking.

    Not really if you saw some of our 2nd half performances this year


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    Why is it that both the result and the manner of it don't surprise me one bit.
    It's amazing how the old adage of "Meath don't know when they're beaten" seems to have transformed to "Meath don't know when they've won". Group of Westmeath fans next to me wouldn't believe me at half time when I said the game wasn't over.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭S. Goodspeed


    Hope to not see Paddy O'Rourke tog out for Meath ever again (I'm sure he will though of course). He has been embarrassing for years but today really takes the biscuit. Surely there is a goal keeper in the county who is happy to stay in his goals, make the saves & catches when needed and kick the bloody ball out with some degree of intelligence & accuracy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭paul71


    Why is it that both the result and the manner of it don't surprise me one bit.
    It's amazing how the old adage of "Meath don't know when they're beaten" seems to have transformed to "Meath don't know when they've won". Group of Westmeath fans next to me wouldn't believe me at half time when I said the game wasn't over.


    So true, in one generation we have gone from a county which every other county feared because we contrived to win the unwinnable to producing teams who cannot seem to able to defend a lead of any size.

    Today was depressing but sadly predictable. I really see no planned direction in which the management team seem to wish to go, talent while not enormous is there but on a day when our second half defense was appalling we persisted with our best man-marker at CHB and our best fullback at midfield.

    Last night I actually found myself thinking that we may be better off losing today and facing a couple of games in qualifiers as oppossed to a hiding in the leinster final and another tame exit in another post provincial final qualifier. However that will not hold true if we continue to play available players completely out of position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭poppers


    If today proved anything it's that mchugh was right meath players don't have the heart for a battle .


  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Hibbeler


    Westmeath it has to be said thoroughly deserved the win today. I'm just disgusted in the way we capitulated when we should have been home and dry. I honestly don't think the problem is in player ability it's their lack of fight and ruthlessness.

    There is lot's of work needed to pick ourselves up from this and simply a manager change is not going to be enough though it's hard to see Mick staying on after this year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭Rock Lesnar


    Hibbeler wrote: »
    Westmeath it has to be said thoroughly deserved the win today. I'm just disgusted in the way we capitulated when we should have been home and dry. I honestly don't think the problem is in player ability it's their lack of fight and ruthlessness.

    There is lot's of work needed to pick ourselves up from this and simply a manager change is not going to be enough though it's hard to see Mick staying on after this year

    I didnt see any lack of ruthlessness or fight in the 1st half today or v wicklow, but what i did see during the game and a lot of the league, was a team incapable of seeing out 70mins, i seen us to many times abandon a style that got us a lead only to revert to a way of playing that looked alien to us (packing the defense) and not having the legs to get up the field.

    We got rid of EOB after winning a leinster, alright it wasnt in the manner we would like but it was still progress, and the banty after just one year, Micko with a fantastic back room set up, Giles Kelly, Brendan Murphy there to, has had a couple of years now, and each year we are regressing, of course, with a young team, we need time to get to the stage to beat the dubs, but we've gone from given them a game for 50mins 3 years ago, to nothing against them last year, to not even playing them this year.

    Do i think he should get another shot next year, probably not on what iv'e seen over the last couple of years, do i think he will, yeah he probably will, but somewhere between now and next year, and no matter who the manager is, we got to find the never give up spirit that made us so hard to play against before we even took to field.

    Frustrated Rant over


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    Supporting Meath is like heroin. A lot of fun at first but now its just painful and soul destroying and i keep going back for more.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭rpurfield


    A dark day if you ask me, even worse than Wexford in 08. I don't think it would matter who the manager is anyway, the stuff isn't there. For a county that has had some fantastic defenders down the years we've none at all now. When we got the ball into the forwards in the first half they were brilliant, but the back line is a shambles. No one willing to put their hand up and show some leadership.

    It's long past the time for a complete overhaul in the county from top to bottom, we've produced little or no underage success in about 20 years, so we need to start there. We may write off the next 5-10 years too


  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭homeofhurling


    in fairness meath are better off out of it as the Dubs would give them a lesson for the 3rd year in a row,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,902 ✭✭✭clint_silver


    in fairness meath are better off out of it as the Dubs would give them a lesson for the 3rd year in a row,

    Looked to me like they had Dublin on their minds 15 minutes from the end. I was sat top of the cusack and it was like the whole Meath team just dropped energy and enthusiasm by 20-30%

    In fairness to wm they got a sniff of victory, took their chances. Can't help but think it was gifted though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭Shane732


    Even ignoring what he did at the end of the game Paddy O' Rourke is a shockingly poor goalie. He's not a shot stopper at all.

    Our backs are awful and no matter who the opposition is you always have this feeling that they can run through us.

    The management team were so poor today as well. If we'd just gone for a blanket defense in the last 15 - 20 mins and crowded them out we would have got over the line.

    Kicked some poor wides as well and they looked out on their feet from the 50 minute mark.

    I don't really agree with saying that we're as well off not playing Dublin. At the end of the day Dublin are the benchmark - if were not going to compete with them then there's no point going out at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB



    We got rid of EOB after winning a leinster,

    Do i think he should get another shot next year, probably not on what iv'e seen over the last couple of years, do i think he will, yeah he probably will, but somewhere between now and next year, and no matter who the manager is, we got to find the never give up spirit that made us so hard to play against before we even took to field.

    Frustrated Rant over

    To me the biggest mistake Meath made in the last 10 years was getting rid of Eamon. He had that Meath belief in him and Meath football would be in a far healthier state had he been left there.

    No point blaming Mick O'Dowd. He has a panel of players who are still quite young and I think the talent is there. A certain amount of luck is needed and unlike previous years it has deserted Meath. Injuries are a big issue and if Meath had a full hand to play with they would be in a Leinster final and a serious threat to Dublin or anyone else..

    Westmeath it appears took a leaf out of the Meath book with their attitude today. They never gave gave up and fully deserved their win. As a Dub I was hoping Meath would get to the final as apart from last year it would be a great challenge to Dublin.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Hibbeler


    I didnt see any lack of ruthlessness or fight in the 1st half today or v wicklow, but what i did see during the game and a lot of the league, was a team incapable of seeing out 70mins, i seen us to many times abandon a style that got us a lead only to revert to a way of playing that looked alien to us (packing the defense) and not having the legs to get up the field.

    We got rid of EOB after winning a leinster, alright it wasnt in the manner we would like but it was still progress, and the banty after just one year, Micko with a fantastic back room set up, Giles Kelly, Brendan Murphy there to, has had a couple of years now, and each year we are regressing, of course, with a young team, we need time to get to the stage to beat the dubs, but we've gone from given them a game for 50mins 3 years ago, to nothing against them last year, to not even playing them this year.

    Do i think he should get another shot next year, probably not on what iv'e seen over the last couple of years, do i think he will, yeah he probably will, but somewhere between now and next year, and no matter who the manager is, we got to find the never give up spirit that made us so hard to play against before we even took to field.

    Frustrated Rant over

    Rock, I agree with the vast majority of what you've said, however in my view we did lack the ruthlessness to come out in the second half and put Westmeath away instead when the going got tough the old fight was no where to be seen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭Rock Lesnar


    Hibbeler wrote: »
    Rock, I agree with the vast majority of what you've said, however in my view we did lack the ruthlessness to come out in the second half and put Westmeath away instead when the going got tough the old fight was no where to be seen.

    To be fair, its not up to the players what the tactics are, if we had gone out 2nd half, and played the same way as the 1st half, im pretty sure we'd have won, but we didnt, we sat back and invited pressure, then when the momentum changed, we couldn't get it back, i agree fully about the old fight as you call it, its gone missing in the last few years


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    So going forward we're on the B side of the draw. My reckoning is we'll be knocked out by Tyrone or Armagh in either round 2 or 3 depending on the draw.


  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭The Showstopper


    Absolute muck. With 10/15 minutes to go you could see that the Meath players were wrecked. No leaders stepped up and the bench wasn't strong enough to improve us. Only positive of today is that it was nice to see the Dubs still care about us. Thought they had forgotten about us.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    Game should have been over after 50 minutes, players in better shooting positions not getting the ball, poor shot selection, fitness seemed to be lacking, lots of things contributed, but it is unfair to single out specific players.

    Well done Westmeath, have to admit I had a wry smile of my face at the end of the game today, bit of a weekend for the underdog.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭mattser


    Game should have been over after 50 minutes, players in better shooting positions not getting the ball, poor shot selection, fitness seemed to be lacking, lots of things contributed, but it is unfair to single out specific players.

    Well done Westmeath, have to admit I had a wry smile of my face at the end of the game today, bit of a weekend for the underdog.

    Well done indeed...a long time coming but richly deserved.

    We can have all the post mortems we like, but it was Westmeath's day in the sun.

    I just hope they give a better account than the rest of the province in the L.F.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,158 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    rpurfield wrote: »
    A dark day if you ask me, even worse than Wexford in 08. I don't think it would matter who the manager is anyway, the stuff isn't there. For a county that has had some fantastic defenders down the years we've none at all now. When we got the ball into the forwards in the first half they were brilliant, but the back line is a shambles. No one willing to put their hand up and show some leadership.

    It's long past the time for a complete overhaul in the county from top to bottom, we've produced little or no underage success in about 20 years, so we need to start there. We may write off the next 5-10 years too

    Donegal pre mcguiness were getting hammered. The same players that won the all Ireland. Jim came in and actually coached the players to become top class defenders and counter attackers.

    Meath style now is similar to Dublin of 2013 and 2014. All out attack man for man and then when we get tired haul everyone back to do a half arsed defensive job with no intensity.

    Fact is we are playing a kamikaze style that even Dublin wouldn't win an all Ireland with as donegal proved by hammering them last year.

    Westmeath actually line out the same but the reality is the top teams don't. Manager has to go because he hadn't a clue. We need someone like James horan in who can actually grasp how to play like the top teams.

    Anyway it's good we lost today. Let westmeath take the Dublin hammering instead and hopefully we go on a run to the quarters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭Poor_old_gill


    As a neutral this game was phenomenally puzzling.
    First half Westmeath were in disarray and Meath should have been and in some ways were out the gate already!

    Second half Meath just started slowly but kept Westmeath at arms length- then they just crumbled.

    Westmeath smelled blood, Meaths defensive setup was just ridiculous- a decent club side wouldn't be so poorly organised.

    Everything just went wrong from there on out, every decision by Meath players seemed to be incorrect and they just had one of those days!

    To be honest Meath aren't as bad as they looked today (in second half)- everything just seemed to crumble and no one stood up and threw a few digs.

    Westmeath?? Their manager will prob get another year or 2 out of it on the back of this result but he was almost as clueless tactically as the Meath o dowd


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭closeline


    All blame today should go to players.. They got into a winning position and bottled it then.

    No leaders when they were in trouble.

    Simple points on offer twice when a point up and a point down but went for goals on both occasions when a point would have been a massive score.

    O'Rourke very poor all day. But worse then let his team down and county. Acted the hard man. That was a nasty nasty act and looked like he went in to hurt the man. Yes he was frustrated but that doesn't excuse it especially for a fella who has been around a good bit now and played for his country too.

    Graham Reilly was a big loss to be fair.

    It's amazing how a season can unravel so quickly. Take Laois and Down as prime examples. Meath looked well on their way to a long summer. At least a place in the last 12 of the All Ireland. Now Meath will do well to be still in the championship in 2 weeks time. This will be a huge blow to them, not sure if they can turn it around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭dave13


    Away to Tyrone!


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