S05 Ep10 - "Mother's Mercy" - HAVE NOT READ THE BOOKS

Old Perry wrote: »

how did jorah, tyrion and darrio manage to get out of the pits?

Armour. Extremely thick plot armour.

Very strange episode all round, pretty good though.

I don't mind whether it's good/evil characters that bite the bullet, once their stories have reached such a conclusion.
Jon's story was nowhere near a conclusion. Since Season 1 there's been something mysterious about his lineage, he's the only one other than Sam that knows Valyrian steel can do a bit of damage, Red Woman fully saw him to be someone of importance.
He wasn't a character that sought an end game, but there was one he was definitely destined for, and that's the only reason I see any weight in the resurrection theories (not usually a fan of "back from the dead stories", as they cheapen the death, especially with moral characters).

You look at the other favourites that have gone in the past, at least their stories reached a climax (albeit abrupt).
Oberyn was out for vengeance. The Mountain & Tywin won. He wasn't tied to the main arc at all.
Nor was Robb really. Ultimately he wanted justice for what happened to Ned, he lost to Roose & Tywin.

Stannis was always a strange enough one. He went straight for the throne in season 2. But afterwards shifted towards the bigger issue in the north, which I thought gave him a bit more credibility and purpose. "Protector of the Realm", but then shifted his focus into the political side of things with Roose again.

One thing is for sure, Season 10 (or whatever) - Episode 10 - Final Scene
Danearys sitting on Ramsay's lap on the Iron Throne.
"Oh Rambo, what a glorious time we live in."
Rambo eyes her menacingly.
"If you think thing has a happy ending... I'm going to start paying attention"

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I had assumed Stannis was the "true" king therefore his blood was special. Anybody with any connection to anybody who's ruled will do now? Seems tenuous.

I don't think it's ever said that only Stannis' blood will do. She uses leeches on Gendry a few seasons back because she knows there's something about him too (he's Robert's bastard).

Also, the fact that Stannis was trounced in battle would kind of prove that she misinterpreted the signs.

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I had assumed Stannis was the "true" king therefore his blood was special. Anybody with any connection to anybody who's ruled will do now? Seems tenuous.

You should take the time to read the books, all of these deeper ideas and more complex histories are visited in much greater detail and if you're the kind of person who's going to look under the surface of the show's plots at all it will be a much more enjoyable experience.

For a start the way the books are written - each chapter from one of the main character's point of view - a lot of it is expressed in that person's thoughts which obviously is gonna be hard to get across on screen.

Most of the Deus Ex Machina plot solutions seen this season are down to the mass condensing of the story to make it fit and make it work within budget.

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I think the fact she ultimately had no idea what was happening and her magic/god failed utterly to materialise makes her a bit of a dead duck now to be honest. Who'd honestly march under her banner now?
I'd also think it would be good advice for anybody she's endorsing to set up some sort of royal blood breeding programme for ammunition!

Well, if Jon rises from the dead, she'll probably march under his banner rather than the other way around given that would fit in with the second coming prophecy of her religion.

2ndcoming wrote: »

Most of the Deus Ex Machina plot solutions seen this season are down to the mass condensing of the story to make it fit and make it work within budget.

I don't think Drogon's rescue at least was a Deus Ex Machina, I mean he is a well established element of the plot.

Even taking the whole Jon Snow scene out of it, I thought that episode was pretty terrible.

Too rushed, too many coincidences, skipped scenes/storylines, and just overall, poorly done. Was rather annoyed once those end credits came up.

PressRun wrote: »

I think it's really risky business to kill off really compelling characters like Jon, Tywin, Oberyn, Ned, etc. for the sake of what just feels like shock value sometimes. Most of these are really great, nuanced characters that made the show interesting in the first place. Nobody watches for the likes of the Mountain, frankly.

As a friend said to me, if they kill all the best characters, then people are just going to end up watching just to see how it ends, not because they're truly invested in it, which is a pretty shallow way to watch a show.

Thats very well said , i mean i can see why book readers have been so eager for the next book to come out because things have been left at such an abyss of grimness and misery that they are hoping to come up from it as soon as possible.

I said on the episode 9 thread that what seems to keeps the intrigue for book readers as they go deeper into the series is what is it exactly what GRRM "getting at" and they come up with theories and phophecies all lot of which brings what is going on together and they get a serious kick out of the world building he has done. There is very little scope for that for tv viewers.

So where was Ghost when **** was going wrong for Jon?
Isnt he usually watching out for him?

thought darrios description of grey worm was good. "he is the toughest man with no balls that I know"

Honestly after that episode, I'm lost at who I want to root for now.

youngblood wrote: »

No Bran?

V disappointed overall

Wasnt it specified before the season began that his story would be untouched.

Gway and shíte. Jon