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US shooting at Mohahammed Cartoon conference

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    jmayo wrote: »



    Actually change that to the majority and you might be more correct.

    I actually agree with a fair bit of your post, but this comment gave me pause. Exactly what Muslim countries would you not feel comfortable as a practising Christian? Obviously there are a number where the situation isn't ideal (for everyone, from Christians to Sunnis to Shias- depending on how is in the ascendancy in a particular area)- but I doubt it's anywhere near a majority.

    And, for balance, which is often an alien concept around here, one might point out that there are some countries where Muslims are increasingly persecuted- there have been mob attacks against, and murders of, Muslim minorities in Burma and Sri Lanka in the past year. By allegedly pacifist Buddhists. Of course, we rarely, if ever, here of those attacks. Funny that.


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    c_man wrote: »
    So let me get this straight. You read the news article on the shooting, and your main take-away from is a criticism/mocking of the event organisers... Nothing on the maniacs who tried to shoot people because of cartoons... Right, well I guess that says a lot tbh.


    I don't need to condemn these two gunmen. And just because I don't doesn't mean I condone them so don't try and that little game with me, pal.

    Unless you think that this post was put up and then the only people to reply are to say "bastards!" and then go off about their business again. Is that it?

    You can take from it what you will but if you're actually accusing me of something here then I'd like to know what exactly it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,385 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    the vast majority of people will respond to materialism with decreased religious devotion. The converse is also true: as people get poorer, they become more religious.

    What is funny here is that in an attempt to defend Islam, you have actually equated religious belief with religious violence. Not a great defence of any religion then, never mind the one with the greatest track record of violence, in recent times anyway.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Of course not. Bin Laden was playing a game of geopolitics.
    I don't know, I don't have access to their bank account information.
    An outlier. ISIS only had a few hundred fighters until they took Mosul and offered €200 a month to each fighter... After which their strength rose to 30,000 or so.

    Yes, some of them are attracted by excitement, or fanaticism. They can be considered statistical outliers, the vast majority of people will respond to materialism with decreased religious devotion. The converse is also true: as people get poorer, they become more religious.

    The scary thing about modern muslim fundamentalists is that they are not all poor uneducated jobdaws, but there are a sizable amount of western educated reasonably intelligent people.

    It is a bit like how a fair few of the worst nazis were actually from well educated relatively well off backgrounds.
    Einhard wrote: »
    I actually agree with a fair bit of your post, but this comment gave me pause. Exactly what Muslim countries would you not feel comfortable as a practising Christian? Obviously there are a number where the situation isn't ideal (for everyone, from Christians to Sunnis to Shias- depending on how is in the ascendancy in a particular area)- but I doubt it's anywhere near a majority.

    And, for balance, which is often an alien concept around here, one might point out that there are some countries where Muslims are increasingly persecuted- there have been mob attacks against, and murders of, Muslim minorities in Burma and Sri Lanka in the past year. By allegedly pacifist Buddhists. Of course, we rarely, if ever, here of those attacks. Funny that.

    Actually I can't think of many muslim dominated countries where a christain can be gauranteed safety.
    How many would allow open freedom of religion as we know it ?

    We have now reached a situation where that have been attacks on non muslims in most muslim dominated countries.
    All it takes is for another perceived slight against the prophet for some muslims to look for a westerner, non muslim (probably a christian) to attack.
    Then add in the influence of radical organisations linked to ISIS or Al Qeada and it makes for safety concerns.

    Out of the top 10 countries that are most likely to persecute christians only Burma and North Korea are non muslim.
    More than 70 % of Christians have left Iraq since 2003 and over 700,000 Christians have fled Syria in the past four years.
    You have persecution in Somalia, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Maldives, Pakistan, Iran and Yemen.

    In countries that underwent “Arab Spring” uprisings, increased persecution occurred after the regimes collapsed as in Egypt, Libya, Syria.
    Radical Islamists have grown in number in sub-Saharan Africa and we have now serious issues in Nigeria, Central African Republic.

    There was already issues on the other side of the continent in Sudan, Eritrea, Somalia.

    Central Asian countries like Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan have bad records on the treatment of christians.

    Hell a muslim mob (including a police chiefs brother) attacked a protestant church in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia last month for daring to have a cross on the roof.

    As for that muslim country that sometimes sees itself as European and wants to join the EU, well 4 christian churches were attacked there in the past year.
    Back in 2007 three Christians had their throats slit. Two of the victims had converted from islam to christianity.

    About the only Muslim country that I can find that comes out anyway decent is Morocco.

    And speaking of muslims being persecuted, in a lot of the above states muslim minorities who don't happen to practice the majority brand (usually sunni) are persecuted.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    jmayo wrote: »
    The scary thing about modern muslim fundamentalists is that they are not all poor uneducated jobdaws, but there are a sizable amount of western educated reasonably intelligent people.

    It is a bit like how a fair few of the worst nazis were actually from well educated relatively well off backgrounds.

    Absolutely, it is rather peculiar. I believe there are quite a few psychologists studying the behaviour and trying to figure out why that is the case.

    But my case will generally hold true. Economic circumstances, for the most part, dictate how secular a peoples are.
    volchitsa wrote: »
    What is funny here is that in an attempt to defend Islam, you have actually equated religious belief with religious violence. Not a great defence of any religion then, never mind the one with the greatest track record of violence, in recent times anyway.

    I'm not defending the religion, I find the religion deplorable and believe it is a contributing factor, but I just think that economic circumstances are more pressing than the religion in and of itself.

    It is the lack of economic well-being that pushes most people into the arms of the religion (where then the text and preachings of the religion warp and twist them). I have a Syrian friend in the UAE who drinks alcohol, and isn't really mattered with the religion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,385 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    ;)a
    Absolutely, it is rather peculiar. I believe there are quite a few psychologists studying the behaviour and trying to figure out why that is the case.

    But my case will generally hold true. Economic circumstances, for the most part, dictate how secular a peoples are.

    I'm not defending the religion, I find the religion deplorable and believe it is a contributing factor, but I just think that economic circumstances are more pressing than the religion in and of itself.

    It is the lack of economic well-being that pushes most people into the arms of the religion (where then the text and preachings of the religion warp and twist them). I have a Syrian friend in the UAE who drinks alcohol, and isn't really mattered with the religion.

    So your Syrian friend would be quite likely to become a extremist if he were a little poorer, would he??
    Unlikely.

    Now if you'd said education was the relevant factor, I'd have been more in agreement - but even then, the guys who drove a car bomb into Glasgow airport terminal were doctors, FFS.

    How many genuinely poor and/or people without access to education have committed any of the terrorist acts in Europe? There were more engineers than illiterates among them.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    What Religious law was broken anyway in this case ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    What Religious law was broken anyway in this case ?

    Nothing from the Koran but stuff from a hadith, which seem to be gospel


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    Laughable amount of Islamophobia in here.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Einhard wrote: »
    I actually agree with a fair bit of your post, but this comment gave me pause. Exactly what Muslim countries would you not feel comfortable as a practising Christian? Obviously there are a number where the situation isn't ideal (for everyone, from Christians to Sunnis to Shias- depending on how is in the ascendancy in a particular area)- but I doubt it's anywhere near a majority.

    And, for balance, which is often an alien concept around here, one might point out that there are some countries where Muslims are increasingly persecuted- there have been mob attacks against, and murders of, Muslim minorities in Burma and Sri Lanka in the past year. By allegedly pacifist Buddhists. Of course, we rarely, if ever, here of those attacks. Funny that.

    Off the top of my head I'd say Iran and Turkey. I remember seeing an article about a group of Iranian Jews telling Benjamin to f off for asking them to move to Israel to protect them . apparently Tehran has a few synagogues slap bang in the city centre and they Jews are a well integrated part of society there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    jmayo wrote: »



    Actually I can't think of many muslim dominated countries where a christain can be gauranteed safety.
    How many would allow open freedom of religion as we know it ?

    Well, I live in the UAE and I'm perfectly free to practise Christianity if I want to to. I don't, but that's besides the point.

    I've been to Jordan, Bahrain, and Oman, and was perfectly free in all to practise Catholicism.

    I was in Syria before the sh!t hit then fan and my contacts there were mostly Christians, and all free to practise their faith. Obiously things have changed now.

    It's just strange though, that you claim that a majority of Muslim countries persecute Christians (which is what your inability to practise claim amounted to), and yet, in none of the Muslim countries I've experienced and/or lived in have I experienced such a scenario.

    So, I have to ask again, can you provide me with actual date that shows that over 50% of Muslim majority countries somehow preclude the practising of religions oher than Islam?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭folamh


    Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a former college of Geert Wilders. Here are her comments on the incident, published in yesterday's TIME: http://time.com/3846824/garland-texas-muhammad-jihad/
    [A] distinction must be made between acts of the imagination such as cartoons, movies, books, and acts of violence such as mass shootings. The group that organized the Muhammad cartoon event, the American Freedom Defense Initiative, is using acts of imagination. In response, two men sought to use violence to try and silence them. There is no “but” in the First Amendment.

    I am no cartoonist. But I do believe the Prophet Muhammad must be exposed to the same scrutiny applied to any religious figure—whether it be Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Buddha, or Joseph Smith. Applying scrutiny to the Prophet Muhammad is not an act of “hurting” Muslims or causing them “humiliation.” Instead, it can actually lead Islam to a better place—one where the imagination of every writer, artist, and citizen can run free, without fear of violent retribution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,228 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    A Muhammed drawing contest? Did they try to piss off the Islamic extremists? My god its the most brainless competition I've ever heard of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭moc moc a moc


    Laughable amount of Islamophobia in here.

    What's laughable about being wary of people who will shoot you for drawing a cartoon?


  • Registered Users Posts: 415 ✭✭Alexis Sanchez


    Laughable amount of Islamophobia in here.

    So what? Islamophobia is a good thing. I'm a proud Islamophobe.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    So what? Islamophobia is a good thing. I'm a proud Islamophobe.

    At least you are honest about your prejudices. Sad all the same but there you go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Laughable amount of Islamophobia in here.
    Care to point it out?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Care to point it out?

    Anyone who doesn't ignore the transgressions of violent acts in the name of Islam is labelled an Islamaphobe. It's like how the Israelis call anyone who criticizes them anti-Semitic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,871 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Nodin wrote: »
    In the world where I live, having a problem with Jihadis and the likes of Pamela Gellar are not mutually exclusive thoughts. Indeed, they tend to spring from the same world view.
    Actually no.

    The Jihadis have a problem with Pamela Gellar, so they kill people, or in the Texas case, they try and fail :P

    Pamela Gellar has a problem with jihadis, but her only weapon is a cartoonists pencil.

    Jihadis are going around the world murdering people for disagreeing with them, or in some cases for even less reason such as being a different religion (ISIS alone have probably killed 100s of thousands already). Pamela Gellar, the staff of Charlie Hebdo, so far as I am aware, have killed precisely nobody. They are - at worst - reactionary idiots. At worst.

    So no, having an equal problem with both does not come from "the same world view" because the positions are too far apart - it makes sense to have a problem with one more than the other.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    folamh wrote: »
    Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a former college of Geert Wilders. Here are her comments on the incident, published in yesterday's TIME: http://time.com/3846824/garland-texas-muhammad-jihad/

    Geert in de telegraph today compares the Koran to Mein Kampf


    "The biggest terrorist who ever lived is worshiped. That is the root of the problem, "said Wilders.


    http://nieuws.thepostonline.nl/2015/05/07/wilders-strijd-tegen-islam-keihard-doorzetten/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Einhard wrote: »
    Well, I live in the UAE and I'm perfectly free to practise Christianity if I want to to. I don't, but that's besides the point.

    I've been to Jordan, Bahrain, and Oman, and was perfectly free in all to practise Catholicism.

    Ok fair enough you have mentioned some of the more enlightened (not hard really when comapred to some of their neighbours) who allow christians freedom to practice religion and live peacefully.
    Then again how many of the actual citizens of the likes of the UAE, Bahrain, Qatar are non muslim ?
    How many are westeners there to keep the place running ?
    Einhard wrote: »
    I was in Syria before the sh!t hit then fan and my contacts there were mostly Christians, and all free to practise their faith. Obiously things have changed now.

    Note how I menitoned states that had Arab spring and how the regime changes had brought about intolerance.
    And yes I know Bashar al-Assad is still nominally in charge, but of how much of the country is in his control.
    Einhard wrote: »
    It's just strange though, that you claim that a majority of Muslim countries persecute Christians (which is what your inability to practise claim amounted to), and yet, in none of the Muslim countries I've experienced and/or lived in have I experienced such a scenario.

    So, I have to ask again, can you provide me with actual date that shows that over 50% of Muslim majority countries somehow preclude the practising of religions oher than Islam?

    Hang on does presecution necessarily mean you totally ban people from practicising their religion ?
    I never said people wrere totally banned from practicising non muslim relgions, that is your interpretation.
    Persecution to means it is dangerous and you don't get equality.
    And a right to live peacefully like your neighbour to me is equality.

    I mentioned the safety of christians as in what happened in Turkey, Malaysia, etc.
    Are christians free to practice their religion in Nigeria ?
    Yes they are, but would you be happy going to Sunday mass in Borno state ?

    The state or rulers can legally allow people to practice a religion, but still turn a blind eye to them getting beat up, or worse, specifically because of that religion.
    They can legally allow people to practice a religion, but make it hard for them to do so in reality.
    For instance yeah you can practice your religion, but there is no way in hell you can build a church.

    IMHO the most startling thing I did come across looking through rankings on religous persecution is that North Korea is the worse with Burma also in the mix.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    SeanW wrote: »
    Actually no.

    The Jihadis have a problem with Pamela Gellar, so they kill people, or in the Texas case, they try and fail :P

    Pamela Gellar has a problem with jihadis, but her only weapon is a cartoonists pencil.

    .............

    If Ms Gellar restricted herself to just cartoons, you might have a point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    Nodin wrote: »
    If Ms Gellar restricted herself to just cartoons, you might have a point.

    So what if she doesn't? I agree that Gellar is a reactionary idiot. However, she has not killed anyone, or as far as I know, called for anyone to be killed merely because of something they have written or drawn. People like Gellar are the true test of whether someone properly believes in freedom of speech. She is the modern day equivalent of the Nazis in Skokie. You don't have to agree with everything or indeed anything she says to recognise that giving any ideology a free pass from criticism, ridicule etc is not in the interests of a free society. Would it be better for democracy if people of her ilk did not exist? Probably. But censoring & silencing them will ultimately do far more damage to democracy than their presence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Custardpi wrote: »
    So what if she doesn't? I agree that Gellar is a reactionary idiot. However, she has not killed anyone, or as far as I know, called for anyone to be killed merely because of something they have written or drawn. People like Gellar are the true test of whether someone properly believes in freedom of speech. She is the modern day equivalent of the Nazis in Skokie. You don't have to agree with everything or indeed anything she says to recognise that giving any ideology a free pass from criticism, ridicule etc is not in the interests of a free society. Would it be better for democracy if people of her ilk did not exist? Probably. But censoring & silencing them will ultimately do far more damage to democracy than their presence.

    She's a vile hate monger. As bad as an Islamic preacher who radicalises via his mouthings. I'm perfectly ok with criticism and ridicule.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    Nodin wrote: »
    She's a vile hate monger. As bad as an Islamic preacher who radicalises via his mouthings. I'm perfectly ok with criticism and ridicule.

    Like I said, I'm not a fan of hers, not by any means. However, I would still hold that "vile hate mongers", including Islamic ones of course have the right to express their views, so long as they do not directly incite violence. Better that bad ideas be expressed openly, so that they can be opposed on their merits, rather than handing their proponents the gilded cloak of martyrdom which censorship grants.


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    A Muhammed drawing contest? Did they try to piss off the Islamic extremists? My god its the most brainless competition I've ever heard of.

    Careful. I said the same thing and someone translated that into me being a terrorist sympathiser.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Egginacup wrote: »
    me being a terrorist sympathiser.

    Only when Americans are the victims, right?


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    More appropriate title: Jihadist Retards shoot at Provocative Gob****es.

    These gunmen were known to the authorities for years. Just like the perpetrators of the Charlie Hebdo killings, which incidentally have now spawned more police state powers in France:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32587377

    In all these so-called terrorists incidents the alleged perpetrators are always known to the authorities. I'm getting pretty damn tired of how inept these so called security services are. These "intelligence" agencies are either pretty fucking useless or they let these events occur.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,170 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Egginacup wrote: »
    These gunmen were known to the authorities for years. Just like the perpetrators of the Charlie Hebdo killings, which incidentally have now spawned more police state powers in France:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32587377

    In all these so-called terrorists incidents the alleged perpetrators are always known to the authorities. I'm getting pretty damn tired of how inept these so called security services are. These "intelligence" agencies are either pretty fucking useless or they let these events occur.
    that's what i've been saying regarding the boston bombings...if an irish person even tweets about something terroristish...they can be hauled off the plane strip searched and charged....however two suspects were allowed leave the country and disappear into a terrorist training camp in a troubled region and return no questions asked?


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    I agree with you, it was provocative. But it was not pointless. It was to make a point (that point being; Islam is not a religion of peace). If I drew a picture of Jesus with a dick in his mouth, wearing two different fabrics and with a tattoo of a pentagram on his neck with "I hate Jews" on his forehead, you think someone would shoot me? I'd get a whole lot of angry twitter rants (deservedly), but I don't think anyone would shoot me. Never mind the fact that this happens quite regularly, for simply drawing Mohammed. You can't absolve one group by blaming the others as "you got shot for drawing in paper, totally deserved it!".

    I'm quite glad nobody at this event got seriously hurt, aside from those two idiots with guns.

    No religions are religions of peace or violence. They don't espouse either. Show me where the central tenets of any religion are to promote either peace or violence. This puerile argument about "religions of peace" is bullshit but it is an argument that is low-iq enough for some dimwit pundits, alleged "experts" on talk shows and the simians who have cartoon drawing contests.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Egginacup wrote: »
    No religions are religions of peace or violence. They don't espouse either. Show me where the central tenets of any religion are to promote either peace or violence. This puerile argument about "religions of peace" is bullshit but it is an argument that is low-iq enough for some dimwit pundits, alleged "experts" on talk shows and the simians who have cartoon drawing contests.

    Jainism and Buddhism. You would be hard pressed finding someone using the religion to justify violence. The same can not be said for Abrahamic religions or the vast majority of Pagan religions. Yes there are those practitioners of the Buddhist religion who engage in violent actions, but they themselves are not turning to the Faith in order to justify their actions.

    Stop trying to wriggle the blame away from these fundamentalists and the religion. It is quite clear that Islam is a violent religion, that preaches and condones violence against non-believers and kaffir. Islam is not a religion of peace, which is the lie spread by Imams and followers to make the religion seem more "Western-friendly".


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    Almost appears like the whole thing was a trap & the jihadis took the bait.

    http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-is-who-would-have-met-the-garland-gunman-if-they-m-1701964388

    Had the Jihadis made it inside, they wouldn't have lasted long, the event was very well protected.

    1237942896723845700.jpg

    Or maybe the jihadis are fake and all of you took the bait?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    omnithanos wrote: »
    Or maybe the jihadis are fake and all of you took the bait?

    This isn't /b/, there is no baiting here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Hans Bricks


    Egginacup wrote: »
    No religions are religions of peace or violence. They don't espouse either. Show me where the central tenets of any religion are to promote either peace or violence. This puerile argument about "religions of peace" is bullshit but it is an argument that is low-iq enough for some dimwit pundits, alleged "experts" on talk shows and the simians who have cartoon drawing contests.

    It's really just a sarcastic response to the insincere defense mechanism of "Islam is a religion of peace".


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    This isn't /b/, there is no baiting here.

    What does /b/ mean, fake?

    Like Copenhagen and Charlie Hebdo weren't faked?

    How do you know? Is that what the media told you?

    Look at this ridiculous ad they are putting on New York city buses to insight violence.

    Hamas-TV-Killing-Jews-Ad.png

    How many black people have been murdered by the police now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Jainism and Buddhism.

    In regards to Jainism, you do appear to be correct, but non-violence is central to that faith from my understanding, so its actually unique in regards to most religions.

    Buddhism on the other hand, well......

    How an Extremist Buddhist Network Is Sowing Hatred Across Asia

    and

    Sri Lanka’s Violent Buddhists

    They have there fair share of extremists nutjobs.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    folamh wrote: »
    I think that Pamela Geller was in cahoots with police and orchestrated this event to gain public sympathy, deliberately putting herself in the firing line of would-be assassins because somehow she knew beforehand that people would try to kill her on this day, even though she does this kind of stuff all the time. By the way, I am a moron.

    I suspect she knew the jihadis were actors hired to fuel more hatred for Muslims and to spread the misconception that they are all terrorists. She knew there wasn't any real danger in this staged event which adds to the long list of deceptions carried out by the authorities.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    omnithanos wrote: »
    What does /b/ mean, fake?

    Like Copenhagen and Charlie Hebdo weren't faked?

    How do you know? Is that what the media told you?

    Look at this ridiculous ad they are putting on New York city buses to insight violence.

    Hamas-TV-Killing-Jews-Ad.png

    How many black people have been murdered by the police now?

    I'll save you the trouble of actually saying it, because I really don't want you to say it and be genuine in your belief. "The media is owned by Jews"


    More whites than blacks, not down to colour but a variety of factors
    A 2002 study in the American Journal of Public Health found that the death rate due to legal intervention was more than three times higher for blacks than for whites in the period from 1988 to 1997.
    The Bureau of Justice Statistics reported that in 2004, state courts had over 1 million felony convictions. Of those, 59 percent were committed by whites and 38 percent by blacks. But when you factor in the population of whites and blacks, the felony rates stand at 330 per 100,000 for whites and 1,178 per 100,000 for blacks. That’s more than a three-fold difference.
    McCoy noted that this has more to do with income than race. The felony rates for poor whites are similar to those of poor blacks.

    arrest.png?w=500


    Can we stop with the "cops shoot blacks because racism" stuff now? A white person, Dillon Taylor, was shot by a black cop several months ago, unarmed and simply walking out of a convenience store. The cop was acquitted of any charges. Where's the public outrage against that? Oh, wait, the person shot was white, and the person doing the shooting was black, so we can't talk about it or we're closet racists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,871 ✭✭✭SeanW


    BBS and/or any Buddhist that uses violence, have to completely disregard their faith to do that. Pacifism is a central tenet of Buddhism AFAIK.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,871 ✭✭✭SeanW


    omnithanos wrote: »
    I suspect she knew the jihadis were actors hired to fuel more hatred for Muslims and to spread the misconception that they are all terrorists. She knew there wasn't any real danger in this staged event which adds to the long list of deceptions carried out by the authorities.
    So not only was the whole thing staged by the authorities, but Pamela Gellar was in on the conspiracy? :confused:

    If only there was a forum for Conspiracy Theories ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    wes wrote: »
    In regards to Jainism, you do appear to be correct, but non-violence is central to that faith from my understanding, so its actually unique in regards to most religions.

    Buddhism on the other hand, well......

    How an Extremist Buddhist Network Is Sowing Hatred Across Asia

    and

    Sri Lanka’s Violent Buddhists

    They have there fair share of extremists nutjobs.

    Like I said, of course there are Buddhist extremists, but they are not turning to the scripture of their Faith to justify their actions. They quite simply, can't.

    A quote from that Times source
    “Prejudices are growing because there is a small but influential group of extremist Buddhists who are having a relatively free run and are able to articulate very national sentiments and highlight the insecurity of the Sinhalese,” says Perera, himself a Sinhalese Christian.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    SeanW wrote: »
    So not only was the whole thing staged by the authorities, but Pamela Gellar was in on the conspiracy? :confused:

    If only there was a forum for Conspiracy Theories ...

    You have to admit, they really did pull out all the stops for. Those people had to lie perfectly still in a car for fecking hours in the heat, making sure they only bled enough to be realistic and not die.

    If it is fake, I believe they have quite a promising career in acting.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    I'll save you the trouble of actually saying it, because I really don't want you to say it and be genuine in your belief. "The media is owned by Jews"


    More whites than blacks, not down to colour but a variety of factors







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    Can we stop with the "cops shoot blacks because racism" stuff now? A white person, Dillon Taylor, was shot by a black cop several months ago, unarmed and simply walking out of a convenience store. The cop was acquitted of any charges. Where's the public outrage against that? Oh, wait, the person shot was white, and the person doing the shooting was black, so we can't talk about it or we're closet racists.

    I'm not the one making racial slurs.

    Here's a graphic video of a young black kid getting fatally shot last June


    Whether this shooting is fake or real the authorities are making a concerted effort to provoke racial outrage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Like I said, of course there are Buddhist extremists, but they are not turning to the scripture of their Faith to justify their actions. They quite simply, can't.

    The movement is being led by a Monk..........
    Led by a monk, Galagoda Aththe Gnanasara Thero, BBS accuses Sri Lanka’s Muslims of threatening the nation’s Buddhist identity, and enjoys support at high levels.

    Also, elements of nationalism and extremist Religous ideology are very often mixed together. See Saudis Arabia's racism against non gulf Arab Muslims for an example.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    SeanW wrote: »
    So not only was the whole thing staged by the authorities, but Pamela Gellar was in on the conspiracy? :confused:

    If only there was a forum for Conspiracy Theories ...

    It's a pity we can't voice an opinion on anything without being sent to a forum that nobody takes seriously.

    It's incredible that everybody willingly accepts the disinformation spewed out by the media including our own.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    omnithanos wrote: »
    I'm not the one making racial slurs.

    Here's a graphic video of a young black kid getting fatally shot last June


    Whether this shooting is fake or real the authorities are making a concerted effort to provoke racial outrage.

    Which racist terms did I use? Saying Jews? It's a racial term, it's not a slur. Well, technically it's an ethnoreligious term.

    Or do you mean the word "blacks"? What would you like me to call them? Coloured (yellow and white is a colour)? Melanin enriched folks? Bit of a mouthful, tbh. I'll stick with black.

    Wow, a cop shooting someone trying to kill or seriously injure his partner with a screwdriver? What an outrage!

    No, they're not. It is the loony media and the left-wing trying to stir up racism that isn't there. I just posted statistics showing you why blacks seem to be shot more than whites in percentage terms. There's nothing racist about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    wes wrote: »
    The movement is being led by a Monk..........

    And my primary school football coach was a Parish priest. Christianity supports football above other sports?
    wes wrote: »
    Also, elements of nationalism and extremist Religous ideology are very often mixed together. See Saudis Arabia's racism against non gulf Arab Muslims for an example.

    Often, not always. You can not mix Buddhist ideology with violence because the two are entirely incompatible. Buddhism rejects suffering and violence outright.

    It is like the IRA-Loyalist conflict. It was drawn along largely religious lines, but it was not religiously motivated. There are/were Protestant Republicans, just like there are/were Catholic Unionists. Much like the majority of the Tamil Tigers are Buddhist, but they are not motivated by scripture.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    Which racist terms did I use? Saying Jews? It's a racial term, it's not a slur. Well, technically it's an ethnoreligious term.

    Or do you mean the word "blacks"? What would you like me to call them? Coloured (yellow and white is a colour)? Melanin enriched folks? Bit of a mouthful, tbh. I'll stick with black.

    Wow, a cop shooting someone trying to kill or seriously injure his partner with a screwdriver? What an outrage!

    No, they're not. It is the loony media and the left-wing trying to stir up racism that isn't there. I just posted statistics showing you why blacks seem to be shot more than whites in percentage terms. There's nothing racist about it.

    The loony media are controlled and they are sending out a message to create disorder which is working perfectly well with all the riots etc.

    You made the statement "The media is owned by Jews" which I found somewhat derogatory in it's intention.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    omnithanos wrote: »
    It's a pity we can't voice an opinion on anything without being sent to a forum that nobody takes seriously.

    It's incredible that everybody willingly accepts the disinformation spewed out by the media including our own.

    Yes, I'm sure the media would openly lie and be tacit in a conspiracy against us. I'm sure the CIA is behind it all. Them and the Rockefellers. Can't wait for China to rise, lads. 2020, USA Empire is done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    Is it just me or is the thread getting a teensy bit off topic?


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