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Denis O'Brien Irelands Sinister Fringe.

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    #962
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    When is the much awaited court case by the failed bidders for ESAT likely to take place.
    I see that as the acid test.
    Proof in a court of law that corruption took place?
    If the failed bidders don't file, it means they lack the proof.


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    #963
    [Deleted User]
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    Curly Judge wrote: »
    If the failed bidders don't file, it means they lack the proof.

    No it doesn't.

    It could mean any number of things. First and foremost that we the State may not be liable for the corruption of FG, Lowry or Denis O'Brien.


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    #964
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    But if corruption did take place what effect will that have on the license?


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    #965
    Happyman42
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    But if corruption did take place what effect will that have on the licence?

    If you or I got something by illegal or corrupt means it would rightly be taken off us.
    Can you see any of our morallly upstanding leaders advocating that, in the event of this being proven?


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    #966
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    W
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    If you or I got something by illegal or corrupt means it would rightly be taken off us.
    Can you see any of our morallly upstanding leaders advocating that, in the event of this being proven?

    What baffles me is the fact that someone implicated in a tribunal as bring corrupt was awarded another government license. Despite the fact he wasn't the highest bidder. I mean you would have to be thick as pigsh1t to assume no money is changing hands elsewhere.


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    #967
    michael999999
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    W

    What baffles me is the fact that someone implicated in a tribunal as bring corrupt was awarded another government license. Despite the fact he wasn't the highest bidder. I mean you would have to be thick as pigsh1t to assume no money is changing hands elsewhere.

    When your fine Gaels sugar daddy, anything is possible.


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    #968
    Happyman42
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    W

    What baffles me is the fact that someone implicated in a tribunal as bring corrupt was awarded another government license. Despite the fact he wasn't the highest bidder. I mean you would have to be thick as pigsh1t to assume no money is changing hands elsewhere.

    He and his actions are caught in FG's moral blindspot. Have some sympathy, they will get around to open and tranparent government eventualy, if you re-elect them, get with the programme steddyeddy! :D


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    #969
    Muahahaha
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    michael999999 wrote: »
    When your fine Gaels sugar daddy, anything is possible.


    FG are claiming to have a multi million war chest to fight the next election. I look forward to their transparency on where it came from


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    #970
    davycc
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    bump for monday morning updates hopefully more foi info comes to light .


    fair play catherine murphy with her great work -:cool:


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    #971
    BlatentCheek
    Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭BlatentCheek


    Now Denis is getting mentioned in US media coverage of Hillary Clinton and allegedly suspicious correlations between donations to her charity and favourable outcomes from the State Department for those who donated.

    Denis specifically pops up due to Digicel receiving a lucrative US awarded contract to provide a mobile-money service in post earthquake Haiti, which is noteworthy as he donated $5 to $10 million to the Clinton foundation since its launch. He certainly has form in this area.

    I recall that he successfully sued a journalist for defamation here in Ireland after he dared to suggest that Denis's philanthropic efforts in Haiti may not have been entirely selfless.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/gifts-to-hillary-clintons-family-charity-are-scrutinized-in-wake-of-book-1429754883


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    #972
    LadyAthame
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    BlatentCheek wrote: »
    Now Denis is getting mentioned in US media coverage of Hillary Clinton and allegedly suspicious correlations between donations to her charity and favourable outcomes from the State Department for those who donated.

    Denis specifically pops up due to Digicel receiving a lucrative US awarded contract to provide a mobile-money service in post earthquake Haiti, which is noteworthy as he donated $5 to $10 million to the Clinton foundation since its launch. He certainly has form in this area.

    I recall that he successfully sued a journalist for defamation here in Ireland after he dared to suggest that Denis's philanthropic efforts in Haiti may not have been entirely selfless.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/gifts-to-hillary-clintons-family-charity-are-scrutinized-in-wake-of-book-1429754883


    Irish defamation laws are quite different to American laws and their press is more powerful. It will be interesting.

    It really would make our courts look silly.


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    #973
    Lt J.R. Bell
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    LadyAthame wrote: »
    Irish defamation laws are quite different to American laws and their press is more powerful. It will be interesting.

    It really would make our courts look silly.

    Leaving aside Dinny, considering American Press are allowed to say almost anything without foundation ; Presidential Elections, that comic book National Inquirer.... Maybe it's a good thing we have strong Defamation laws


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    #974
    Lt J.R. Bell
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    W

    What baffles me is the fact that someone implicated in a tribunal as bring corrupt was awarded another government license. Despite the fact he wasn't the highest bidder. I mean you would have to be thick as pigsh1t to assume no money is changing hands elsewhere.
    Now now, let us not speak ill of St Dinny.He is being persecuted too much.lol


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    #975
    Muahahaha
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    BlatentCheek wrote: »
    Now Denis is getting mentioned in US media coverage of Hillary Clinton and allegedly suspicious correlations between donations to her charity and favourable outcomes from the State Department for those who donated.

    Denis specifically pops up due to Digicel receiving a lucrative US awarded contract to provide a mobile-money service in post earthquake Haiti, which is noteworthy as he donated $5 to $10 million to the Clinton foundation since its launch. He certainly has form in this area.

    I recall that he successfully sued a journalist for defamation here in Ireland after he dared to suggest that Denis's philanthropic efforts in Haiti may not have been entirely selfless.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/gifts-to-hillary-clintons-family-charity-are-scrutinized-in-wake-of-book-1429754883

    Fun fact no.1: Haiti ranks 161st out of 175 countries on Transparency Internationals 2014 Index of Corruption.
    Fun fact no.2: A majority of countries where Denis O'Briens Digicel operates are ranked amongst the most corrupt countries in the world, according to the Index of Corruption 2014


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    #976
    michael999999
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Fun fact no.1: Haiti ranks 161st out of 175 countries on Transparency Internationals 2014 Index of Corruption.
    Fun fact no.2: A majority of countries where Denis O'Briens Digicel operates are ranked amongst the most corrupt countries in the world, according to the Index of Corruption 2014

    And it all started here with himself and he's fine gael buddy's!

    Never thought I'd say it, but there looking as bad as Fianna fail for pulling strokes!


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    #977
    tipptom
    Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Fun fact no.1: Haiti ranks 161st out of 175 countries on Transparency Internationals 2014 Index of Corruption.
    Fun fact no.2: A majority of countries where Denis O'Briens Digicel operates are ranked amongst the most corrupt countries in the world, according to the Index of Corruption 2014
    Fun fact no.3:Dinny bumped Ireland up the rankings of the index of corruption after the tribunal findings all on his own,another fine contribution by Dinny to Ireland.


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    #978
    Banjo String
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    tipptom wrote: »
    Fun fact no.3:Dinny bumped Ireland up the rankings of the index of corruption after the tribunal findings all on his own,another fine contribution by Dinny to Ireland.

    Fun fact number 4, after getting a €100m taxpayer funded haircut to acquire siteserv, and a €5m under the counter payment to the shareholders.

    Dennis replaced Brian Harvey (the then CEO) with Sean Corkery,.

    (Sean Corkery previously of ESAT)


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    #979
    tipptom
    Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    Another thing that has come out of this and another indication of the cronyism that is hardly mentioned(mind you we are so used to it now) is Michael Noonans fellow county man in the dept of finance demanding that he be put on the IBRC board twice and how it lead to all this unpleasantness between IBRC and the dept of Finance and the current and ex ministers that blew this back up.


    The pigs are starting to devour each other at the trough.


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    #980
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    DOB will probably buy out Boards.ie just to get the dissent here quelled


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    #981
    Lt J.R. Bell
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Lt J.R. Bell


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    DOB will probably buy out Boards.ie just to get the dissent here quelled

    No point having all that money if you can't buy power

    If you were that rich, would you tolerate peasants mouthing off?


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    #982
    michael999999
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    Noonan being filleted over this o Sean o Rourke now!


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    #983
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,171 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    tipptom wrote: »
    Fun fact no.3:Dinny bumped Ireland up the rankings of the index of corruption after the tribunal findings all on his own,another fine contribution by Dinny to Ireland.

    The 'index of corruption' ? Is that something dreamed up by Paul Murphy or that spoofer Niall Boylan on classic hits?


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    #984
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,635 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    The 'index of corruption' ? Is that something dreamed up by Paul Murphy or that spoofer Niall Boylan on classic hits?



    No, its run by Transparency International, a well respected NGO in the domain of political corruption.

    In other news Ireland is ranked on a scale of open government and transparency as being amongst the worst in the entire EU, ranked alongside Greece and Hungary and just above Russia

    http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1028768.shtml
    The UK government is the most open and transparent in the world, according to a global rankings on the basis of public access to official data. Ireland and Greece at a 31 ranking are among the lowest in Europe with Hungary at 33 - the lowest of all European countries including Russia.

    The US and Sweden come second and third in the rankings while France and new Zealand tied for fourth place. Mali, Haiti and Myanmar, also known as Burma, are at the bottom of the table.

    You only need to look at this Siteserv debacle and how Noonan, Kenny et al have tried to obfuscate in the Dail to cover it up is part of the reason why Ireland can claim Russia and Greece as a bedfellow when it comes to transparancy and open government.


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    #985
    tipptom
    Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    The 'index of corruption' ? Is that something dreamed up by Paul Murphy or that spoofer Niall Boylan on classic hits?
    Yea,ask your mate about them and why he was trying to sue such a "mythical non existent" corruption watchdog then.


    You wannabe Bill Cullen apprentices need to get out more.


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    #986
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,171 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    tipptom wrote: »
    Yea,ask your mate about them and why he was trying to sue such a "mythical non existent" corruption watchdog then.


    You wannabe Bill Cullen apprentices need to get out more.

    Maybe you should say clearly whats on your mind instead of talking gibberish.


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    #987
    tipptom
    Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Maybe you should say clearly whats on your mind instead of talking gibberish.

    That's it ,lash out at someone who tried to educate your ignorance and you being a big captain of finance and all,tsk tsk.


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    #988
    Dan_Solo
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    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Maybe you should say clearly whats on your mind instead of talking gibberish.
    Funny how absolutely everybody here besides you can understand what he said. Would point to the problem not lying with what he posted TBH.


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    #989
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,171 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Funny how absolutely everybody here besides you can understand what he said. Would point to the problem not lying with what he posted TBH.


    OK then explain to me what he meant about me 'asking my mate' ? and 'wannabe Bill Cullen aprentices'


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    #990
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    All this talk of fixing our economy means nothing if we are viewed as being on par with Greece.


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    #991
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,635 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    All this talk of fixing our economy means nothing if we are viewed as being on par with Greece.



    With us just being a couple of places above Russia which is a nation virtually run by the mafia. We have our own mafia here only they tend to dress in suits and call themselves by Fianna Fail and Fine Gael, two cheeks of the one arse at the end of the day.


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