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fertliser prices

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  • #152
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,479 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Green farmer wrote: »
    In all fairness oil has fallen by half this year and the Russian currency has done the same. In that time fert prices continue to rise. Their taking the piss, about time a politician from any party did something about it.

    +1
    Fat cats getting fatter


  • #153
    K3v
    Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭K3v


    Fert prices are the way they are for the simple reason Origin are the main player in the Irish market. Cooney-Furlong take the odd wild view the odd time, throwing the cat amongst the pigeons, other than that is a completely controlled market. The more competition the better, at least Yara are taking a view this year and trying to break into the Irish market.


  • #154
    logie110
    Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭logie110


    gouldings, target,grasslands,grasslands kilkenny,yara,nitrofert,greenfields.
    should be enough competition to keep prices competitive in this small country


  • #155
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,479 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    logie110 wrote: »
    gouldings, target,grasslands,grasslands kilkenny,yara,nitrofert,greenfields.
    should be enough competition to keep prices competitive in this small country

    Yeah SHOULD


  • #156
    K3v
    Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭K3v


    logie110 wrote: »
    gouldings, target,grasslands,grasslands kilkenny,yara,nitrofert,greenfields.
    should be enough competition to keep prices competitive in this small country

    Well Gouldings, Grassland & Grasslands Kilkenny are cut from the one cloth. Yara & Greenfield are both from the same plant. But have a look at who supplies these companies their raw material. Completely controlled market imo.


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  • #157
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,567 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    They've gone mad building new nitrogen plants in the states because of the cheap gas.. When they're up and running that'll change the situation . If not the co-ops could import it direct - ( not saying they would though )

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #158
    Mad4simmental
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Mad4simmental


    Anyone useing this? Any good? Expensive at over €500T
    The problem when you get a sales man to do your soil test!


  • #159
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,567 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Mad4simmental wrote: »
    Anyone useing this? Any good? Expensive at over €500T
    The problem when you get a sales man to do your soil test!

    What is it ?

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #160
    White Clover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Mad4simmental wrote: »
    Anyone useing this? Any good? Expensive at over €500T
    The problem when you get a sales man to do your soil test!

    €500 / ton for physiolith ? Thought it was around €260 / ton


  • #161
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,479 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Mad4simmental wrote: »
    Anyone useing this? Any good? Expensive at over €500T
    The problem when you get a sales man to do your soil test!

    Hear it mentioned here before but didn't hear any feedback on it


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  • #162
    Mad4simmental
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Mad4simmental


    No over €500 a bit crazy. It's a soil conditioner, my p&k is grand. This has added calcium and sulphur to. I'm not convinced myself!


  • #163
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,567 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I'm sure you'd find lads who'd sell you farm yard manure for 450 a ton if you want a soil conditioner , they might even deliver and spread it for you too -if your lucky - :)

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #164
    White Clover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Mad4simmental wrote: »
    No over €500 a bit crazy. It's a soil conditioner, my p&k is grand. This has added calcium and sulphur to. I'm not convinced myself!


    Used it a few years ago. My ph was lowish enough. Didn't see a great improvement. Switched back to ground lime and think I'll stay with it. Heard from a good few who were happy with it. Think greengrass here is very thankful to it


  • #165
    Mad4simmental
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Mad4simmental


    Mad4simmental wrote: »
    No over €500 a bit crazy. It's a soil conditioner, my p&k is grand. This has added calcium and sulphur to. I'm not convinced myself!


    My mistake. Physiolith is €285T it's the sodigrass that's €550T anyone useing sodigrass?


  • #166
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    K3v wrote: »
    Fert prices are the way they are for the simple reason Origin are the main player in the Irish market. Cooney-Furlong take the odd wild view the odd time, throwing the cat amongst the pigeons, other than that is a completely controlled market. The more competition the better, at least Yara are taking a view this year and trying to break into the Irish market.

    Fertiliser prices are a problem throughout Europe. The dogs on the street are aware of the fact that prices are being controlled by the manufacturers.
    Yara put some of their plants on a 3day week to wash out stocks from merchants yards.
    22 of us got together and brought in a boat of ASN (20.5%N and 57.5%S) from China @ €210/ton. We are selling it on @ €280. The quality is excellent.


  • #167
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Fertiliser prices are a problem throughout Europe. The dogs on the street are aware of the fact that prices are being controlled by the manufacturers.
    Yara put some of their plants on a 3day week to wash out stocks from merchants yards.
    22 of us got together and brought in a boat of ASN (20.5%N and 57.5%S) from China @ €210/ton. We are selling it on @ €280. The quality is excellent.
    how much is on a boat d?


  • #168
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    how much is on a boat d?

    I'm not exactly sure because I didn't organise it. I'm presuming it was about 5k tons because I was approached to lend/invest some money as they needed a Letter of Credit for a million. It didn't come directly from China, it was shipped from Cairo.


  • #169
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,567 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Why aren't the co-ops doing that ?
    How easy would it be for a few buyers groups to import a shipload in 500kg/1000kg bags - and ship it direct from the quayside

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #170
    Green farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Green farmer


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Why aren't the co-ops doing that ?
    How easy would it be for a few buyers groups to import a shipload in 500kg/1000kg bags - and ship it direct from the quayside

    The coops might be doing this but sure aren't passing the savings on. I notice my local coop, ( a large well known coop) is constantly creeping up the price of anything farm related. Squeezing every last cent the can out. So this type of carry on, only leads to distrust in my books.


  • #171
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Green farmer wrote: »
    The coops might be doing this but sure aren't passing the savings on

    Wrong. Try selling Chinese fertiliser to Irish/French farmers. The vast majority of the boatload has been bought by a blender...


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  • #172
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    logie110 wrote: »
    gouldings, target,grasslands,grasslands kilkenny,yara,nitrofert,greenfields.
    should be enough competition to keep prices competitive in this small country

    Not when reps from certain large players hold their annual lunch at certain riverside hotel in the southeast in early April. I assume they're just marking out the fourball locations for the summer but you never know.


  • #173
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Why aren't the co-ops doing that ?
    How easy would it be for a few buyers groups to import a shipload in 500kg/1000kg bags - and ship it direct from the quayside

    A local merchant here did it a couple of years ago. He got a phone call when his boat was less than half a day from port to say that there had been some problem and the port he had arranged to unload in could not allow him to land. Funnily enough they had no problems landing fert from one of the bigger players at any time. He got lucky in that the ship was relatively small and he got it into a much smaller port a couple of hours up the coast.


  • #174
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Mad4simmental wrote: »
    Anyone useing this? Any good? Expensive at over €500T
    The problem when you get a sales man to do your soil test!

    We're using phisolith. I think it's good any way. Alot more worm casts since we started using it and grass alot sweeter.

    We spread out farm with it too which was grey last feb when we took it.
    Really helped it alot.
    What we did this yr was spread 2t lime /ac and a bag of phisolith. Ground needs 5t over there.
    On the last field I only had enough phisolith fir the headlands so we will see if there is any difference between ground that got phisolith and ground limestone and just ground limestone


  • #175
    Blackgrass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Blackgrass


    freedominacup wrote: »
    A local merchant here did it a couple of years ago. He got a phone call when his boat was less than half a day from port to say that there had been some problem and the port he had arranged to unload in could not allow him to land. Funnily enough they had no problems landing fert from one of the bigger players at any time. He got lucky in that the ship was relatively small and he got it into a much smaller port a couple of hours up the coast.

    I heard a similar story, was it into New Ross/Waterford iirc?


  • #176
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Blackgrass wrote: »
    I heard a similar story, was it into New Ross/Waterford iirc?

    Waterford. He had a good


  • #177
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Blackgrass wrote: »
    I heard a similar story, was it into New Ross/Waterford iirc?

    Waterford. He had a good bit sold on so the story probably got around. He's tried the competition authority more than once but they say they can't get anything on the record from agribusiness and won't go further. Same merchant had a truck followed from Belfast port by a big fert rep a couple of years ago.


  • #178
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Why aren't the co-ops doing that ?
    How easy would it be for a few buyers groups to import a shipload in 500kg/1000kg bags - and ship it direct from the quayside

    Recently I wanted a few bags of beet pulp. I have picked up the habbit latly of ringing first for a price. Dairygold was 6.25/bag or 250/ton. I taught that was bad so I rang the local Kerry store to be quoted 8.75/bag:eek: or 350/ton. Courisoty got the better of me and I rang a few independent merchants and 6/bag was the cheapest. Now I only wanted 5 bags. But the Kerry price shocked me. I noticed it earlier in the year with Barley they were charging 250/ton as opposed to 200/ton from Dairygold.

    I think Kerry agri are losing the plot. I see the same with fertliser they are in general more expensive than Dairygold or independent merchants. Now maybe they only want to deal with dairy farmers but I alway notice the que on a Saturday morning of lads lining up to get rode.


  • #179
    Sami23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,298 ✭✭✭Sami23


    455 euro for 10-10-20
    410 euro for 18-6-12
    in Galway last week


  • #180
    annubis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭annubis


    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    Recently I wanted a few bags of beet pulp. I have picked up the habbit latly of ringing first for a price. Dairygold was 6.25/bag or 250/ton. I taught that was bad so I rang the local Kerry store to be quoted 8.75/bag:eek: or 350/ton. Courisoty got the better of me and I rang a few independent merchants and 6/bag was the cheapest. Now I only wanted 5 bags. But the Kerry price shocked me. I noticed it earlier in the year with Barley they were charging 250/ton as opposed to 200/ton from Dairygold.

    I think Kerry agri are losing the plot. I see the same with fertliser they are in general more expensive than Dairygold or independent merchants. Now maybe they only want to deal with dairy farmers but I alway notice the que on a Saturday morning of lads lining up to get rode.

    kerry generally dearest for everything down here, feeds , fert ,bale wrap. even small independent retailers are beating them on price down here as far as i can see


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  • #181
    ganmo
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    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

    Now maybe they only want to deal with dairy farmers but I alway

    This.

    The company I work for were trying to get a new product listed in the kerry branches but no luck(there was a sheep on the front of it)


  • #182
    atlantic mist
    Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭atlantic mist


    305 can on account, 300 cash price


  • #183
    severeoversteer
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭severeoversteer


    atlantic mist wrote: »
    305 can on account, 300 cash price

    where this


  • #184
    farmerjj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭farmerjj


    320 for CAN in Dairygold on account


  • #185
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    farmerjj wrote: »
    320 for CAN in Dairygold on account

    Dairygold are doing good credit on fertlizer and feed tid year if you bought before March. It was 5/ton for cash. However you could split the payment over three months if you did not pay cash , June/July/August I calculated credit was costing about 2.5%/anum or 1,25% for the credit period.


  • #186
    limerick farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭limerick farmer


    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    Dairygold are doing good credit on fertlizer and feed tid year if you bought before March. It was 5/ton for cash. However you could split the payment over three months if you did not pay cash , June/July/August I calculated credit was costing about 2.5%/anum or 1,25% for the credit period.
    that deal has been improved I think in that any feed or fert bought before end of april can be paid off interest free over 4 months june,july,august and september


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  • #187
    Green farmer
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    limerick farmer wrote: »
    that deal has been improved I think in that any feed or fert bought before end of april can be paid off interest free over 4 months june,july,august and september

    Not a fan of dairygold. Bought fertiliser from them recently. Refused to do any deal for paying upfront on fertiliser. Also bought some gran lime from them, as I was stuck. They quoted me one price over the phone but when I turned up a week later said it went up €10 a tonne. I told them the stuff outside their yard was old stock as I parked up alongside it before going into shop. It was last years stock. Plastic discoloured and green on side sun don't shine. They shrugged shoulders and said nothing they can do on price.


  • #188
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    Green farmer wrote: »
    Not a fan of dairygold. Bought fertiliser from them recently. Refused to do any deal for paying upfront on fertiliser. Also bought some gran lime from them, as I was stuck. They quoted me one price over the phone but when I turned up a week later said it went up €10 a tonne. I told them the stuff outside their yard was old stock as I parked up alongside it before going into shop. It was last years stock. Plastic discoloured and green on side sun don't shine. They shrugged shoulders and said nothing they can do on price.

    TBH one thing about them(and in general same with Kerry) the staff have no leeway with computer generated prices. However was buying barley and got pallet price taking it in half ton lots. Lads told me not to worry about finishing pallet as he book back last couple bags if it came to it.

    That is the reality normally they discount 5/ton for cash up front however they are really pushing the credit option this year. TBF there discounts are fairly visibler, it was 5/ton for early ordering/delivery, 5/cash, and then they discount you at 12 ton and 18 ton mark I think. Lad I deal with is fair and up front and it is up to me to see if I can better it.

    Bought my fertlizer in late January I think, they delivered it no farting around


  • #189
    Sami23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,298 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Lads have fertiliser landed in yard and was hoping to spread it this Saturday on Silage and grazing ground but with dry weather forecast over the weekend and for next week do ye think I should hold off till theres some rain on way again ? ? ? :confused:
    Opinions wud b appreciated


  • #190
    White Clover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Sami23 wrote: »
    Lads have fertiliser landed in yard and was hoping to spread it this Saturday on Silage and grazing ground but with dry weather forecast over the weekend and for next week do ye think I should hold off till theres some rain on way again ? ? ? :confused:
    Opinions wud b appreciated

    I'd spread it. A dew or a mist will get it going. Won't grow anything in the bag !


  • #191
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Arrabawn and liffeys knock off the interest on payment


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  • #192
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Arrabawn and liffeys knock off the interest on payment


  • #193
    tabby aspreme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Is physoilith available from the merchants or do you have to get it through the manufactures rep


  • #194
    A cow called Daisy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭A cow called Daisy


    Maybe it been discussed here before but cant find it on search of thread, but did anyone ever use a fertiliser with 'AVAIL' in it. Lakeland (I'm presume among others) are selling it. This meanr to make the phosphorous more available to the soil. Analysis is 24-4-0. Not sure how much of this 'avail' is in it. It around €410 a ton.
    Any thoughts or is it just a marketing gimmick?


  • #195
    White Clover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭White Clover


    tabby aspreme wrote: »
    Is physoilith available from the merchants or do you have to get it through the manufactures rep


    Some Co ops stock it. Anytime I got it, it was through timac rep. They have been taken over by grassland in kk since


  • #196
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Any urea, 0 7 30 quotes lately? Silage ground still being grazed here.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #197
    visatorro
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    cut sward 430, pasture sward 420, local merchant


  • #198
    oxjkqg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭oxjkqg


    did any1 try the Kosh KAN yet


  • #199
    leg wax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭leg wax


    oxjkqg wrote: »
    did any1 try the Kosh KAN yet

    looking into it at the moment


  • #200
    oxjkqg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭oxjkqg


    it looks good on paper but i suppose as anything u would like to see reports of what way it is on the ground


  • #201
    onyerbikepat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭onyerbikepat


    Generally, what's the price difference between collecting fertiliser and having it delivered (large 500 Kg Bags). I normally collect it my self and I am only 4 miles or so from local COOP.


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