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Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2013- Mod Warning Post #1

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  • Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭3ships


    Deferred Coverage of Wexford game Sunday tg4 15:40

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Surprised they are showing the kk-clare game live. It's a dead rubber from a kk point of view and clare need a win and other results to go their way (Galway to beat Dublin) to escape the play off.

    There's every chance both teams will play each other again in the relegation match whereas in Wexford its a real winner takes all situation and likely to be of much higher intensity


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭citykat


    KevIRL wrote: »
    Surprised they are showing the kk-clare game live. It's a dead rubber from a kk point of view and clare need a win and other results to go their way (Galway to beat Dublin) to escape the play off.

    There's every chance both teams will play each other again in the relegation match whereas in Wexford its a real winner takes all situation and likely to be of much higher intensity

    As a KK man I'd have to agree with you. The only reason I can think for showing this game is that maybe it was decided well in advance before results rendered it practically meaningless. If for no other reason than fairness, TG4 should televise the odd 1B game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Cake Man


    Yeah that's probably it that they had the planned televised fixtures before the league even started and KK v Clare would def be considered a high profile game.

    To be fair to TG4, they have a tough job of picking fixtures to televise given that every week there are high profile games in 1A to choose from. Practically every game would be worthy of being televised. Throw in a Sunday where there's both hurling and football on and it makes it even harder.

    Tg4 do a good job it has to be said, the highlights package they do on Monday nights is decent. If anything it's be great if they covered more games and made it like Match of the Day in BBC but it's understandable the funds just wouldn't be there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 233 ✭✭stumblingblock


    Really looking forward to the game Sunday now. I know it’s still only the league but I think the players will have last years championship defeat fresh in their minds. Despite Wexfords improvements in recent seasons and our period of transition, I still feel we are a better side than them. More quality throughout, and better options off the bench. That’s what sickened me most about last years defeat. We were hurling so bad last summer it’s like we were almost resigned to defeat ever before the ball was thrown in, against a team in my opinion we should be beating. Hopefully we have gotten our act together this year and a win on Sunday would really kick start the year, and this team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    With regard to the Wexford forwards, Jack Guiney is talented for sure but I think all Wexford fans would say he is very frustrating and he generally flatters to deceive. Can be very wasteful at times.

    McDonald is a great talent, big strong lad, no little skill, eye for goal. Still very young, only going to get better, I'd rate him higher than Guiney.

    But the real jewel in their inside forward line is without doubt McGovern who is simply electric. On a different level to the others, as good as they are. He's one of the best forwards in Ireland imo. Work rate is unbelievable, defenders have no choice but to drag him down. Wins frees, sets up scores, hunts down defenders and is able to get ridiculous scores. Made a fool out of the Limerick backline until Seamus Hickey was detailed to man-mark him.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    I'd agree with fireball, I'm not sure why Guiney gets as much attention outside of Wexford as he is not exactly a guaranteed starter, and with Ian Byrne being excellent on frees last week, taking that from Guiney would put him further down the pecking order. McGovern and McDonald are a class apart, and then the other 4 could be picked from about 8 vying for the remaining spots.

    Not entirely sure I'd agree with some assertions here that Waterford should be taking care of Wexford either. Why should they? They are in the same division, and lost to Wexford in championship last year. I dont think there will be much in it, and wouldnt call it either way, definitely would not be saying one team should be able to handle the other one anyway.

    and to go back to earlier discussions, stating Wexford went with football over hurling for a few years is totally and utterly inaccurate. Football has not, and will not, affect the hurling capabilities in the county, and is and has been used by an some as an excuse both in Wexford and in other counties. The ability of a hurling team has no ill effects by how the football team is doing. Its a lame excuse. Also, using the "Kilkenny dont play football so their players only play one sport" is also totally incorrect. Last years winning Kilkenny minor man of the match is a star player for Good Counsels football team who are in the AI semi final, and is being targeted by Sydney Swans to play AFL. Another player (again, on the Kilkenny underage hurling teams) is their main forward and is also on the Irish soccer team. Just because they dont have senior football there doesnt mean they dont play other sports or dont have the ability.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,609 ✭✭✭blue note


    I fancy Waterford to win on Sunday, but I can't really justify it convincingly to be honest. We have looked good so far this year, but we haven't beaten any decent teams. And we haven't beaten any decent teams in the last couple of years of championship either, so it's not as if we have a good recent record of getting over the line when it matters.

    And of course Wexford knocked us out of the championship last year. I don't think we did ourselves justice on the day, but at the end of the day they simply beat us. And the knocked out the reigning champs last year, had a draw against Dublin the year before. And they have home advantage.

    But for some reason, I just think we'll do it :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭deisedude


    I'm very nervous. Don't think there will be much in it. My head is saying we won't keep McGovern and McDonald quiet and while our forwards have been playing well it has been against inferior opposition. I think Wexford will shade it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    I'm not nervous at all, not cause I think we will win - I think it will be v close and could go either way. I just get the feeling that another season in 1B with this v young team wouldn't be the worst thing in the world

    I just think that the QF (most likely home to either Dublin or Galway) is a far more important match in terms of how our summer will go. Win that and we'll be full of confidence going into the championship regardless of how Sundays game goes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭gizmo23


    Fireball07 you know your stuff everything you said is dead on the money.

    There are two things that really save guiney from being dropped off the team that being he has a lethal powerful shot and he will in every game create a pass that is out of this world but he is so inconsistant from play and frees and has a terrible habit of taking pot shots from silly angels.

    For me the three guaranteed starters in the wexford forwards are MacDonald McGovern and the incredibly underrated Paul morris... Ian Byrne will have to start after getting 0-15 against laois after that it's really how we set up tactically who plays.

    I always like playing Waterford as they are the one of two top sides I never really feared a drumming from when things were bleak for us... Last year speaking as a wexford fan ye really left that match behind you. Agree with one poster who said it was as if ye were resigned to defeat already. You got right on top of us got two good goals and then went back to rather negitive hurling.

    Sunday is going to be a shoot out we will rack up a pretty big score imho but I fear for us defensively especially if waters is full back ... No disrespect to the guy to even be hurling intercounty after that horrific injury is a credit to the man's character but having watched him hurl club and county since the injury if a forward pulls him out or some team play a two man inside forward line we are in big big big trouble.

    Best of luck Sunday lads should be a crackin game


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭Mountainlad


    I thought on balance of play Wexford were a good 8 points better than us last year. But for Dunfords 2-2 and generally winning frees and causing havoc we would have been in awful trouble. So good was he that every ball nearly was played to him, leading Tom Dempsey to think Liam Ryan had a great game because he pucked a few back.

    But to be fair, Brian O Halloran, Stephen Bennett, Jamie Barron, Maurice would all have featured if they'd been fit. Darragh Fives wasn't right, Jake Dillon was plagued by injuries all year. Well be missing Gleeson on Sunday Id imagine which is significant, but even from an availability point of view the team looks stronger and Id be hoping that will help us win. But could not disagree with anyone saying it could go either way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭westcork blue


    The Wexford game last year was directly responsible for Liam lawlor being cut. For me the performance of Barry Coughlan on Sunday is of most interest. If he can cope with Mcdonald then we may have solved a problem. I hope he does but I'm worried he'll see red.


  • Registered Users Posts: 328 ✭✭HatchetMan7


    There will be some interesting match ups around the field. These ones should have a big impact on who wins overall battle. Connors v Liam Og, Maurice v Shore and Chin v Mahoney although I have a feeling Mahoney will start on the wing with Brick no. 11.

    Connors is playing some of his best hurling albeit against average sides. He'll have to be on top of his game to keep Liam Og relatively quiet no easy task there.
    If Shore stays in Shanahans face and doesn't give an inch hr could keep him quiet but hard to do that over 70 min. If Maurice is given an inch he could take a mile.
    I'd prefer Mahoney to be on the other wing as I think Chin may be too good for him. I could be wrong and I hope I am but I think he will cause us problems from center back or midfield if he's moved out.
    Coughlan on Macdonald will come down to us putting extra man in defense to cut off space in front of MacDonald. I know we all want to see 15 on 15 but coughlan will be in too much trouble if he doesn't have that cover, like Lawlor last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,179 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Think home advantage will swing it for Wexford sunday. Its a very tight pitch down in Wexford park and there will be a very large wexford support there

    It would be good to get to a league semi final but the qf will be tough


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Think home advantage will swing it for Wexford sunday. Its a very tight pitch down in Wexford park and there will be a very large wexford support there

    It would be good to get to a league semi final but the qf will be tough

    Wexford Park is a bit wider than Walsh Park, so tightness of a pitch should have no bearing on it. There should be a good home support alright, but I'd imagine Waterford will bring a good crowd too being so close.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭skaface


    Should be a good game with a C/ship edge
    to it. Also we,ll have an extra game as well
    with a Q/Final yet to play.. Before the Real business in June!!
    All in all, we're in a better place than this time
    last year, as long as people don't start getting
    carried away!!
    Up The Deise ;-))


  • Registered Users Posts: 893 ✭✭✭Deisegodeo


    Really looking forward to Sunday's game, the first of 2 games in a week that will give us a much better idea of where we're at rather than the 3 games over the past few weeks. At times we have looked impressive, but there are aspects which we must not allow to be repeated on Sunday. We cant allow Wexford the start we afforded Offaly in Tullamore while at times I think we have over-played the ball. We wont get away with that against top teams.

    Its going to be interesting to see how the full back line shapes up. I'd expect De Burca to drop deep to offer cover for Coughlan against McDonald. If Coughlan survives this game it will do him the world of good. Big doubts though. Connors is flying in the corner, will be interesting how he fares against McGovern, will he follow him when McGovern goes roaming?

    Wexford provide real danger in attack, Waterford's defence has been impressive this season so its going to be interesting to see how these battles play out.

    But the Wexford defence looked very shakey and at times they seemed to panic against Limerick a few weeks ago, conceding 4 goals in the process. If we can get Dunford, Stephen Bennett and Maurice in close to goal, there should be some joy to be had i feel.

    Hopefully we can get a result and create momentum for the quarter final the week after and onwards...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 233 ✭✭stumblingblock


    The Wexford game last year was directly responsible for Liam lawlor being cut. For me the performance of Barry Coughlan on Sunday is of most interest. If he can cope with Mcdonald then we may have solved a problem. I hope he does but I'm worried he'll see red.

    Full back has been our Achilles heel ever since ‘Sean ‘The Rock’ Cullinane retired in 2001. Weve never had a top class full back come in to really man the position. Some might argue it was a big factor in us not winning an All Ireland. We leaked too many goals on too many big days which ultimately cost us. I think of the All Ireland semi’s against KK in 04 and Limerick in 07 off hand. Lawlor filled a gap there for a few years, did an ok job but remember he had awful trouble with his knees. We were trying to make a Paul McGrath out of him. He was doing very limited training and being rested during league and challenge games just so hed be right for championship games. It was a ticking time bomb and as soon as McDonald cleaned him for the first ball up in Nowlan Park I think we all knew the game was up.

    As for Coughlan interesting to see that everyone is anxious to see how he does against top class full forward on Sunday. But I don’t think one single league game should define anyones intercounty career either. I think its good that management have ear-marked a young lad as having potential for the position, and given him a proper go there as opposed to just moving different lads in and out of there every week. Whether he is the long term solution there I don't beleive he his but lets be honest were not blessed with too many full backs but he is at least woth having around as a pla B if nothing else


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭HillFarmer


    Full back has been our Achilles heel ever since ‘Sean ‘The Rock’ Cullinane retired in 2001. Weve never had a top class full back come in to really man the position. Some might argue it was a big factor in us not winning an All Ireland. We leaked too many goals on too many big days which ultimately cost us. I think of the All Ireland semi’s against KK in 04 and Limerick in 07 off hand. Lawlor filled a gap there for a few years, did an ok job but remember he had awful trouble with his knees. We were trying to make a Paul McGrath out of him. He was doing very limited training and being rested during league and challenge games just so hed be right for championship games. It was a ticking time bomb and as soon as McDonald cleaned him for the first ball up in Nowlan Park I think we all knew the game was up.

    As for Coughlan interesting to see that everyone is anxious to see how he does against top class full forward on Sunday. But I don’t think one single league game should define anyones intercounty career either. I think its good that management have ear-marked a young lad as having potential for the position, and given him a proper go there as opposed to just moving different lads in and out of there every week. Whether he is the long term solution there I don't beleive he his but lets be honest were not blessed with too many full backs but he is at least woth having around as a pla B if nothing else


    Does anyone know Coughlans age?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,397 ✭✭✭sjb25


    Just FYI you guys who are traveling up just to add also tickets.ie are sold out apparently


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭Mountainlad


    HillFarmer wrote: »
    Does anyone know Coughlans age?

    26. Ironically, the oldest player in the backs along with Shane Fives if Moran starts in midfield.


  • Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭MUFC91CS


    HillFarmer wrote: »
    Does anyone know Coughlans age?

    Coughlan would be 25 this year. Born in 90.


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭westcork blue


    Barry was full back on the dls Harty teams with sok in goal, noel corner back and Philip and Steven Daniels in the half back line. Collectively they have a great understanding together. My concern with Barry isn't his ability rather it's his rashness. In a few of the challenge games this winter he was lucky not to get sent off for off the ball niggles and helmet tipping/grabbing. You cannot get away with this in league or championship now.

    Mcdonald is a really fine player and will be a huge test for Barry. While I agree one game shouldn't define any one player this is going to be a huge step up on what our backs have faced to date in the league. Really looking forward to the game, can't see it being more than 2/3 pts either way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 233 ✭✭stumblingblock


    26. Ironically, the oldest player in the backs along with Shane Fives if Moran starts in midfield.

    Hes 24


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭Mountainlad


    Hes 24

    Why did he not play under 21 in 2011? Injured? Apologies if I was incorrect


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 233 ✭✭stumblingblock


    Why did he not play under 21 in 2011? Injured? Apologies if I was incorrect

    I think he was on the panel. just wasnt a starter


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭Mountainlad


    I think he was on the panel. just wasnt a starter

    But he started full back the year before?


  • Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭3ships


    We have used 27 players in the league so far. Eddie Barrett is now available and will be on the bench I'd say considering Austin Gleeson and Stephen Bennett will probably have to sit this one out. Outside of that Daniels and Daragh Fives are only a couple of weeks off so its coming together (not sure how Donnelly is).

    Wexford on the other hand seem getting up to full strength now. They should have beaten Limerick 2 weeks ago but retreated and paid the price. Seamus Hickey having a shot at goal near the end highlights that. This time they'll have MacDonald and Shore back and a bigger crowd behind them, that could be enough to swing it in their favour.

    I expect Waterford to line out similar to last week. SOK will come in for Iggy, Maurice probably for a rested Stephen Bennett and Martin O Neill to hold his place if Austin Gleeson is definitely ruled out.

    The midfield seems to be the modern day battleground where possession is key. Jamie Barron has done very well there as a link player and Martin O Neill has found some form through the Fitzgibbon and is improving enough to get the call. The Mt Sion mans' positional play and striking may suit the system where its sure Dunford and O Halloran will be dropping deep at stages anyway to help out. Paudie Prender could also be considered here or at maybe wing giving Moran the opportunity to push up. Whatever the line up we'll need an improvement around the middle from last year as well minding Macdonald, MacGovern et al.

    TJ Reid said he'd be embarrassed to go down to 1b, for Waterford it may not have been too bad considering a couple of young lads got a run and probably more importantly a few got a chance to come back from long term absence.
    The real stuff starts now. There is not much in it but either way the so called fallow period (was it just December) is over.

    Promotion won't be any easier next year so you might as well do it now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,179 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Derek McGrath said in the paper today that promotion is not on there minds and he said something about financial implications of reaching the later stages of the league


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  • Registered Users Posts: 893 ✭✭✭hurler on de ditch


    3ships wrote: »
    We have used 27 players in the league so far. Eddie Barrett is now available and will be on the bench I'd say considering Austin Gleeson and Stephen Bennett will probably have to sit this one out. Outside of that Daniels and Daragh Fives are only a couple of weeks off so its coming together (not sure how Donnelly is).

    Wexford on the other hand seem getting up to full strength now. They should have beaten Limerick 2 weeks ago but retreated and paid the price. Seamus Hickey having a shot at goal near the end highlights that. This time they'll have MacDonald and Shore back and a bigger crowd behind them, that could be enough to swing it in their favour.

    I expect Waterford to line out similar to last week. SOK will come in for Iggy, Maurice probably for a rested Stephen Bennett and Martin O Neill to hold his place if Austin Gleeson is definitely ruled out.

    The midfield seems to be the modern day battleground where possession is key. Jamie Barron has done very well there as a link player and Martin O Neill has found some form through the Fitzgibbon and is improving enough to get the call. The Mt Sion mans' positional play and striking may suit the system where its sure Dunford and O Halloran will be dropping deep at stages anyway to help out. Paudie Prender could also be considered here or at maybe wing giving Moran the opportunity to push up. Whatever the line up we'll need an improvement around the middle from last year as well minding Macdonald, MacGovern et al.

    TJ Reid said he'd be embarrassed to go down to 1b, for Waterford it may not have been too bad considering a couple of young lads got a run and probably more importantly a few got a chance to come back from long term absence.
    The real stuff starts now. There is not much in it but either way the so called fallow period (was it just December) is over.

    Promotion won't be any easier next year so you might as well do it now.
    thats why kk have 35 all Ireland's with an attitude like that ,go on TJ say it as it is


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭Mountainlad


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Derek McGrath said in the paper today that promotion is not on there minds and he said something about financial implications of reaching the later stages of the league

    Just read that, I assume that is seeing reaching the semi finals as a positive in terms of financial implications though it was vague in the report. I would imagine he means boosted attendance figures.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 233 ✭✭stumblingblock


    But he started full back the year before?

    Werent they hammered out the gate by cork the year before? Yea your obviously more up to date on that than me. He is a bit of a late bloomer in general. I know he was on the same minor and harty cup group as noelie and daniels up along as someone else alluded to. but he didnt make much of an impact at u21 level at all. He also didnt make the ucc fitzgibbon team when he was down there. But he went and did a postgrad in UCD and played very well at fullback for them. The regular fullback willie phelan of kk got injured i think coughlan came in and kept his place for the fitz even after phelan came back. I know derek would have been very familiar with him anyway but i think ultimately it was his performances for ucd last year earned him the call up to senior panel


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Just read that, I assume that is seeing reaching the semi finals as a positive in terms of financial implications though it was vague in the report. I would imagine he means boosted attendance figures.

    Could possibly be being leaned on by the county board for a training break before the championship....like last year???
    Meaning the co board hadn't budgeted on reaching league final/semi final


    But all this is getting ahead of ourselves....we should concentrate on beating Wex Sunday....as another year or two in div 1b could lead to stagnation....as good as it was to get a run of young lads....long term 1a is where wat should aim to be imo


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭Mountainlad


    Werent they hammered out the gate by cork the year before? Yea your obviously more up to date on that than me. He is a bit of a late bloomer in general. I know he was on the same minor and harty cup group as noelie and daniels up along as someone else alluded to. but he didnt make much of an impact at u21 level at all. He also didnt make the ucc fitzgibbon team when he was down there. But he went and did a postgrad in UCD and played very well at fullback for them. The regular fullback willie phelan of kk got injured i think coughlan came in and kept his place for the fitz even after phelan came back. I know derek would have been very familiar with him anyway but i think ultimately it was his performances for ucd last year earned him the call up to senior panel

    They were, I was at both games. To be fair, everyone of that backline that played in 2011 are Waterford starters now (Daniels would be if fit). I'm sure I had a program but probably wouldn't be able to find it, can't recall whether I remember his name being down or not.

    The jury is out on him anyway, certainly think he is entitled to play on Sunday and have his chance in a proper game. He was badly exposed last year at corner back but to be fair, I think Lawlor did a great job since 2010 but still would think you'd be mad to play him at corner back against a really pacy player. You may not need to be lightning quick to be a solid full back, though I'm sure it's no harm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭seananigans


    Manager Derek McGrath has named an unchanged side to play Wexford in the Allianz Hurling League on Sunday.
    1. Stephen O’Keeffe Ballygunner
    2. Shane Fives Tourin
    3. Barry Coughlan Ballygunner
    4. Noel Connors Passage
    5. Tadhg de Búrca Clashmore/Kinsalebeg
    6. Shane O’Sullivan Ballygunner
    7. Philip Mahony Ballygunner
    8. Jamie Barron Fourmilewater
    9. Tom Devine Modeligo
    10. Kevin Moran (Captain) De La Salle
    11. Pauric Mahony Ballygunner
    12. Jake Dillon De La Salle
    13. Brian O’Halloran Clashmore/Kinsalebeg
    14. Michael Walsh Stradbally
    15. Michael Kearney Ballyduff Upper


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 233 ✭✭stumblingblock


    Manager Derek McGrath has named an unchanged side to play Wexford in the Allianz Hurling League on Sunday.
    1. Stephen O’Keeffe Ballygunner
    2. Shane Fives Tourin
    3. Barry Coughlan Ballygunner
    4. Noel Connors Passage
    5. Tadhg de Búrca Clashmore/Kinsalebeg
    6. Shane O’Sullivan Ballygunner
    7. Philip Mahony Ballygunner
    8. Jamie Barron Fourmilewater
    9. Tom Devine Modeligo
    10. Kevin Moran (Captain) De La Salle
    11. Pauric Mahony Ballygunner
    12. Jake Dillon De La Salle
    13. Brian O’Halloran Clashmore/Kinsalebeg
    14. Michael Walsh Stradbally
    15. Michael Kearney Ballyduff Upper

    This nonsense annoys me. Not a hope that team will start


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭Mountainlad


    This nonsense annoys me. Not a hope that team will start

    What was the rule change made this year in relation to the naming of teams? Because I think they've sent out the same teamsheet every game with the exception being Austin Gleeson's injury meaning they named Shane Sully the last two games.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭fricatus


    Lads, we have General Admission tickets for Wexford Park on Sunday. I've never been to a match there - anyone know what that means? Is it the terraces, or is it a bit like Walsh Park in that you just go in and sit where you like until it all fills up? We're looking to get s third ticket and want to be sure we can sit together.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 7,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭suitcasepink


    fricatus wrote: »
    Lads, we have General Admission tickets for Wexford Park on Sunday. I've never been to a match there - anyone know what that means? Is it the terraces, or is it a bit like Walsh Park in that you just go in and sit where you like until it all fills up? We're looking to get s third ticket and want to be sure we can sit together.

    Unreserved seating, just go in and help yourself!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Cake Man


    What do people reckon the starting team will be? Maurice and Bennett in for Devine and Kearney - Moran dropping back to midfield with Maurice half forward?


  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭ovalu


    This nonsense annoys me. Not a hope that team will start

    Kilkenny, and Cork never have to name these dummy teams, do we think we're smarter down here or something, it's embarrassing at this stage


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 233 ✭✭stumblingblock


    What was the rule change made this year in relation to the naming of teams? Because I think they've sent out the same teamsheet every game with the exception being Austin Gleeson's injury meaning they named Shane Sully the last two games.

    Im not sure to be honest. On second thoughts it probably will be close enough to the starting 15. But with all due respect has kearney even touched the sliothar during the league. Hes obviously not ready for this level yet


  • Registered Users Posts: 328 ✭✭HatchetMan7


    Cake Man wrote: »
    What do people reckon the starting team will be? Maurice and Bennett in for Devine and Kearney - Moran dropping back to midfield with Maurice half forward?


    I read somewhere during the week that Derek McGrath said that he would probably rest Stephan Bennett for the Wexford game due to his Hip problems. He hinted that he would then start for the QF of the league. I hope he starts against Wexford as we will definitely need a few goals to win. I think this will be the team that actually starts:

    1. S 'O K
    2. Fives
    3. Coughlan
    4. Connors
    5. Moran
    6. De Burca
    7. Mahoney
    8. M O' Neill
    9. Barron
    10. Maurice
    11. Brick
    12. Mahoney
    13. O' Halloran
    14. Dillon
    15. Dunford

    Good luck to Waterford on Sunday. Up the Deise


  • Registered Users Posts: 281 ✭✭archieknox


    I read somewhere during the week that Derek McGrath said that he would probably rest Stephan Bennett for the Wexford game due to his Hip problems. He hinted that he would then start for the QF of the league. I hope he starts against Wexford as we will definitely need a few goals to win. I think this will be the team that actually starts:

    1. S 'O K
    2. Fives
    3. Coughlan
    4. Connors
    5. Moran
    6. De Burca
    7. Mahoney
    8. M O' Neill
    9. Barron
    10. Maurice
    11. Brick
    12. Mahoney
    13. O' Halloran
    14. Dillon
    15. Dunford

    Good luck to Waterford on Sunday. Up the Deise

    If this is the team that starts on Sunday I would be very happy with it. Alot of experience in that lineup so there can be no worries on that front. My one worry is,and if you go back to the limerick game De Burca was taken for 5-6 points by O Mahoney simply by drifting off him. While he has been superb all year I just think that this could be a problem for us as we never counteracted it that night. The same tactic was used by Tipperary against Brick with Noel McGrath some years ago and the same thing happened.
    I still think we're the better side and should win on Sunday.
    Question - If Shane Bennett was available would he start and for whom? Personally I would have him in instead of Jake Dillon but as has happened over the last 2 years he is the first name on the team sheet. 2 big games in the next 2 weeks its about time he shows why he's being afforded the luxury of being the teachers pet and earns his crust. Great to see Maurice back and hurling well,what a big bonus he can be for us if he hits form.
    So I am expecting us to win and to get back to Div 1a where we came from and give this panel of players the competitive games that go with this division so as to test ourselves against the best teams on a regular basis and see where we're at. I for one have had enough of watching Laois,Antrim and Offaly to do me a lifetime.
    Finally,for the manager to be bulls***Ing about the quarter final being the more important game of the 2,who does he think he's fooling? Stop with that rubbish and get us back to Div1a. He must think we're right clowns! Financially its not his worry,his only job is to make the team successful and that starts Sunday,anything else is a bonus. Yes I do know the financial constraints attached to the job but for him to be coming out trying to divert attention away from Sunday is poor stuff. Anyway when we get back to the top tier the gate receipts will more than look healthier when playing against the top teams.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭The blue blaa


    archieknox wrote: »
    If this is the team that starts on Sunday I would be very happy with it. Alot of experience in that lineup so there can be no worries on that front. My one worry is,and if you go back to the limerick game De Burca was taken for 5-6 points by O Mahoney simply by drifting off him. While he has been superb all year I just think that this could be a problem for us as we never counteracted it that night. The same tactic was used by Tipperary against Brick with Noel McGrath some years ago and the same thing happened.
    I still think we're the better side and should win on Sunday.
    Question - If Shane Bennett was available would he start and for whom? Personally I would have him in instead of Jake Dillon but as has happened over the last 2 years he is the first name on the team sheet. 2 big games in the next 2 weeks its about time he shows why he's being afforded the luxury of being the teachers pet and earns his crust. Great to see Maurice back and hurling well,what a big bonus he can be for us if he hits form.
    So I am expecting us to win and to get back to Div 1a where we came from and give this panel of players the competitive games that go with this division so as to test ourselves against the best teams on a regular basis and see where we're at. I for one have had enough of watching Laois,Antrim and Offaly to do me a lifetime.
    Finally,for the manager to be bulls***Ing about the quarter final being the more important game of the 2,who does he think he's fooling? Stop with that rubbish and get us back to Div1a. He must think we're right clowns! Financially its not his worry,his only job is to make the team successful and that starts Sunday,anything else is a bonus. Yes I do know the financial constraints attached to the job but for him to be coming out trying to divert attention away from Sunday is poor stuff. Anyway when we get back to the top tier the gate receipts will more than look healthier when playing against the top teams.

    I think ur being very harsh on dillon the last 2 games you couldn't fault him or criticise his selection, his workrate has been on a par with the rest of the starting team. Also you seem to have a problem with Derek McGrath aswell. I honestly don't see what the problem is in trying to direct pressure away from the team. Roll on Wexico tomorrow what will be will be


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Hurling man


    Archie as always you are very harsh on jake I thought he was one of the better forwards against Offaly and antrim . Maybe if ur own club man would tog out for the senior hurling team you wouldn't have to be going on about jake all the time. I see he played with the u 21s tonight for maybe the second time so maybe he can make himself available now. I am sure when he does start playing you won't be as quick to criticise. As for Derek mc grath I have to agree with last poster that anything that takes away a bit of pressure from the team is a plus. Maybe you can do things differently when you get the job.


  • Registered Users Posts: 189 ✭✭Brad1234


    Archie as always you are very harsh on jake I thought he was one of the better forwards against Offaly and antrim . Maybe if ur own club man would tog out for the senior hurling team you wouldn't have to be going on about jake all the time. I see he played with the u 21s tonight for maybe the second time so maybe he can make himself available now. I am sure when he does start playing you won't be as quick to criticise. As for Derek mc grath I have to agree with last poster that anything that takes away a bit of pressure from the team is a plus. Maybe you can do things differently when you get the job.[/quote

    Stupid comment on curran the lad has been going non stop since he's been about 15 deserved his break had a pretty bad back problem all through the minor last year still motored on whilst looking really tired. No point having a pop at a kid who is the future of Waterford just to have a pop at a poster on here simply cause he's the same club. U21 and club for this year for him and I'm glad he's taken that step. More developed next year injury free and we'll have a gem on our hands


  • Registered Users Posts: 281 ✭✭archieknox


    Archie as always you are very harsh on jake I thought he was one of the better forwards against Offaly and antrim . Maybe if ur own club man would tog out for the senior hurling team you wouldn't have to be going on about jake all the time. I see he played with the u 21s tonight for maybe the second time so maybe he can make himself available now. I am sure when he does start playing you won't be as quick to criticise. As for Derek mc grath I have to agree with last poster that anything that takes away a bit of pressure from the team is a plus. Maybe you can do things differently when you get the job.

    2 off our squad from last year have taken this year out so as to broaden their horizons and add to that yesterday Colm Galvin from Clare. This is an AMATEUR sport,one that has increasingly become professional with very little rewards. Yet instead of complimenting the player in your last post for standing firm and thinking about his long term sporting future,aswell as his career,you slate him for not putting his county first. I have no problem seeing faults in my own clubmates,after all Jamie Nagle had one bad half against Cork last year and we haven't seen him since so its hard to analyse him,and Ryan Donnelly is injured so he's excluded also! Dillon has played well in the last 2 games? I would imagine a 3/4 strength Waterford u21 team would make tougher opposition than what we played in those games. How is McGrath deflecting attention away from the players and why? Realistically we're only trying to get back to where he brought us from in the first place!
    Just as a matter of interest and presuming you were at the u21 game last night did you see anyone else potentially making a break through for the senior panel? Seamus Keating from Ardmore,Brendan Phelan from Ballinameela showed up well in patches aswell as Cathal Curran at midfield but I'm expecting to get slaughtered for even mentioning my own clubman on here! Oh and don't forget Paddy,......pure class!!!!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Hurling man


    Brad1234 wrote: »
    Archie as always you are very harsh on jake I thought he was one of the better forwards against Offaly and antrim . Maybe if ur own club man would tog out for the senior hurling team you wouldn't have to be going on about jake all the time. I see he played with the u 21s tonight for maybe the second time so maybe he can make himself available now. I am sure when he does start playing you won't be as quick to criticise. As for Derek mc grath I have to agree with last poster that anything that takes away a bit of pressure from the team is a plus. Maybe you can do things differently when you get the job.[/quote

    Stupid comment on curran the lad has been going non stop since he's been about 15 deserved his break had a pretty bad back problem all through the minor last year still motored on whilst looking really tired. No point having a pop at a kid who is the future of Waterford just to have a pop at a poster on here simply cause he's the same club. U21 and club for this year for him and I'm glad he's taken that step. More developed next year injury free and we'll have a gem on our hands


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