The Angelus on RTE

Mint Aero · 06-03-2015 1:46pm

We've a lot of Polish community here and the travellers who are very catholic and I'd assume they'd like to keep it

PopePalpatine · 06-03-2015 1:48pm

catallus wrote: »

With the marvellous modern God-given miracles of portable music players one can delight in the Angelus anyplace in the whole of creation at the time of one's choosing.

Weren't you banned from AH for trolling?

PopePalpatine · 06-03-2015 1:52pm

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Why would any Catholic secure in their beliefs care? Why the tetchiness?

That seems to be a general trend amongst Boards' ultramontanist contingent.

arayess · 06-03-2015 2:03pm

The Golden Miller wrote: »

The Angelus is fine by me if it continues to annoy this crowd who spend most of their day looking for any excuse to bash the Catholic Church, and who look down their nose at an older generation, many of whom hold their faith dear to them, as if they are more enlightened or "see through the church". So keep it rolling at 18 hundred hours if it continues to p!ss these people off

100% agree I'm not even a catholic , was born an muslim. After 25years living here it's crazy how the enlightened people want to turn their backs on everything that built this country

shruikan2553 · 06-03-2015 2:05pm

arayess wrote: »

100% agree I'm not even a catholic , was born an muslim. After 25years living here it's crazy how the enlightened people want to turn their backs on everything that built this country

Ah yes, the golden age of Ireland where women were kept in their place and being gay was illegal.

The construction industry in UAE literally built the country but I doubt you'll see people being against the idea of paying people fairly and all that jazz.

arayess · 06-03-2015 2:15pm

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Ah yes, the golden age of Ireland where women were kept in their place and being gay was illegal.

of course , how could I forget because everything is measured against gay rights.

No achievement is ever justified if gay rights isn't promoted to the top of the queue.:rolleyes:

Times have moved on , it doesnt invalidate things because some things werent done correctly.

In my 25 years here Ireland has achieved a lot to be proud of. more than many other countries. But there are those (a lot on boards) who seem to think the past was something to be ashamed of. It wasn't. some stuff was shameful but a lot wasnt. a bit of perspective would be helpful

shruikan2553 · 06-03-2015 2:17pm

arayess wrote: »

of course , how could I forget because everything is measured against gay rights.

No achievement is ever justified if gay rights isn't promoted to the top of the queue.:rolleyes:

Times have moved on , it doesnt invalidate things because some things werent done correctly.

In my 25 years here Ireland has achieved a lot to be proud of. more than many other countries. But there are those (a lot on boards) who seem to think the past was something to be ashamed of. It wasn't. some stuff was shameful but a lot wasnt. a bit of perspective would be helpful

I dont think all women were gay. I may be wrong but I think most of the women sent to the laundries were straight. But hey, lets pretend that never happened.

Or you know the whole covering up child abuse.

On boards if you dare question anything shady in the past youre just a catholic basher anyway.

pmasterson95 · 06-03-2015 2:18pm

Considering some of the utter ****e thats on RTE the Angelus is probably one of the best programs it airs. Why axe a good programme when theres ghastly **** being kept?

arayess · 06-03-2015 2:22pm

shruikan2553 wrote: »

I dont think all women were gay. I may be wrong but I think most of the women sent to the laundries were straight. But hey, lets pretend that never happened.

Or you know the whole covering up child abuse.

you mis-read what I said and are projecting to what i said.

I never mentioned covering up abuse. I did state some shameful things happened. I was clear on that so I don't see your point.

MRnotlob606 · 06-03-2015 2:26pm

What's wrong with it ?. Militant atheists getting worked up over something trivial.

shruikan2553 · 06-03-2015 2:26pm

arayess wrote: »

I mis-read what I said and are projecting to what i said.

I never mentioned covering up abuse. I did state some shameful things happened. I was clear on that so I don't see your point.

Your claims of people turning their backs on what built the country.

People turn the backs on an organisation which abused it's power and negatively affected the lives of a lot of people and still to this day drags its heels at any attempt to progress or discover the details of what happened in the past.

pmasterson95 · 06-03-2015 2:34pm

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

What's wrong with it ?. Militant atheists getting worked up over something trivial.

Hipster generation. Trivial things are now integral.

Zen65 · 06-03-2015 2:56pm

arayess wrote: »

After 25years living here it's crazy how the enlightened people want to turn their backs on everything that built this country

America was built on slavery, but thankfully they've seen the light and abolished that idea, despite having the support of the (old testament) bible on their side. More recently Ireland agreed that married women had equal rights of employment to single women, single and married men. Soon we may even see equal pay between the genders, and equal rights to the protection afforded by state marriage.

We should always question our societal norms and seek to improve upon them. Whether those norms played a part in our past is irrelevant; the issue is whether they have a place in our future.

K4t · 06-03-2015 3:03pm

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

What's wrong with it ?. Militant atheists getting worked up over something trivial.

Lol..Militant atheists would be campaigning for a minute of screen time showing Stephen Fry reading God Is Not Great or The God Delusion before the news. You really have no clue about the idea of freedom of religion or secularism. But hey, the angelus does no harm and it's a tradition, so let's not discuss it ever, and instead accuse anyone who thinks it should be removed as being part of some anti-catholic brigade or militant atheists!

Rabid Merlot · 06-03-2015 3:04pm

Jamsiek wrote: »

Hadn't he

Leo let it slip that it's part of some legislation currently being drafted but wont be through the houses & enacted in time to take out this years ban on Good Friday drinking.
So this year is your last chance to get house party wasted on Good Friday, make it count.

06-03-2015 3:18pm

K4t wrote: »

Lol..Militant atheists would be campaigning for a minute of screen time showing Stephen Fry reading God Is Not Great or The God Delusion before the news. You really have no clue about the idea of freedom of religion or secularism. But hey, the angelus does no harm and it's a tradition, so let's not discuss it ever, and instead accuse anyone who thinks it should be removed as being part of some anti-catholic brigade or militant atheists!

It's not an accusation its a fact that people who want it removed are anti-Catholic. You only need to read posts on here to see that.

conorh91 · 06-03-2015 3:25pm

Rabid Merlot wrote: »

Leo let it slip that it's part of some legislation currently being drafted

A few weeks ago, the Minister for Justice said, in answer to a question from a journalist, that a change is something she will consider. Then another member of the Cabinet said he would oppose any such change.

Given that there has been no talk of a green paper, or any type of consultation, or a heads of bill, it's highly unlikely that any decision has been made, let alone any legislation being drafted.

bodice ripper · 06-03-2015 3:26pm

The State should not be promoting any religion. So make the catholic church pay for the advertising time. Tradition maintained, conflict of interest gone.

SpaceTime · 06-03-2015 3:34pm

arayess wrote: »

of course , how could I forget because everything is measured against gay rights.

No achievement is ever justified if gay rights isn't promoted to the top of the queue.:rolleyes:

Times have moved on , it doesnt invalidate things because some things werent done correctly.

In my 25 years here Ireland has achieved a lot to be proud of. more than many other countries. But there are those (a lot on boards) who seem to think the past was something to be ashamed of. It wasn't. some stuff was shameful but a lot wasnt. a bit of perspective would be helpful

A lot of that period was an embarrassment, particularly when you consider things like condoms being effectively banned until the late 1970s and then only available on prescription until the 90s when sale was finally normalised.

No divorce from the foundation of the state until 1997 (date of first divorce granted).

The Magdalene laundry scandals, the massive institutional child abuse scandals, symphsioyomy, use of mental institutions on an inexplicably large scale (we had a higher proportion of our population in institutions in the 1950 and 60s than any other country).

Little things like that are an absolute embarrassment.

I'm proud of how far we've come in the last three or four decadea and how quickly but, our recent past is an absolute social disaster zone.

How many aging, homeless or under achieving under-educated Irish people in Britian were denied a start in life by our nutjob of a system.

That whole generation were basically just treated like dirt by the establishment here.

kylith · 06-03-2015 3:34pm

Sebastian Famous Ram wrote: »

It's not an accusation its a fact that people who want it removed are anti-Catholic. You only need to read posts on here to see that.

Not anti-Catholic; pro-secularism.

K4t · 06-03-2015 3:39pm

Sebastian Famous Ram wrote: »

It's not an accusation its a fact that people who want it removed are anti-Catholic. You only need to read posts on here to see that.

You really are a precious soul; asking and advocating for separation of church and state does not mean one is anti-catholic or anti-religious. If anything, it means the opposite, it would mean freedom of all religions. But as you and so many of your friends who have posted on this thread have shown, you only believe in freedom of your own religion.

Vi Peterson · 06-03-2015 3:41pm

tbh Ireland is still havily regarded as a Catholic country, so it would be a shame to remove the Angelus, it's like a tradition. Yes, Ireland is multicultural, but so is Italy and they still keep the Vatican. Also, there are tons of people living here from Eastern Europe, part of Africa that are either Catholic or at least Christian. I don't think Ireland should remove it's identity just to pander to different religions who only make up a small percentage.

Rabid Merlot · 06-03-2015 3:41pm

conorh91 wrote: »

A few weeks ago, the Minister for Justice said, in answer to a question from a journalist, that a change is something she will consider. Then another member of the Cabinet said he would oppose any such change.

Given that there has been no talk of a green paper, or any type of consultation, or a heads of bill, it's highly unlikely that any decision has been made, let alone any legislation being drafted.

Shane Coleman on Newstalk said on the George Hook show (where Ireland's drinking culture was being discussed with Dr. Ciara Kelly) that Leo Varadkar has said that Francis Fitzgerald was about to bring legislation before the Dail regrading the abolition of the Good Friday prohibition but it wouldn't be ready for this year.

Maybe Leo was off on a solo run again.

BBJBIG · 06-03-2015 3:43pm

The Angelus on RTE ....

.......... Bong .......... Bong .......... Bong ..........

.... should be taken off. Pure fooooookin annoying.

But the land of "De Little Peeple" is run by a bunch of Clowns for a bunch of Clowns
and the mindset takes a very long time to change ....

conorh91 · 06-03-2015 3:44pm

Rabid Merlot wrote: »

Shane Coleman on Newstalk said on the George Hook show (where Ireland's drinking culture was being discussed with Dr. Ciara Kelly) that Leo Varadkar has said that Francis Fitzgerald was about to bring legislation before the Dail

So you say that Shane Coleman said that Leo Varadkar said that Frances FitzGerald said something.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Jamsiek · 06-03-2015 3:49pm

Vi Peterson wrote: »

Yes, Ireland is multicultural, but so is Italy and they still keep the Vatican.

The Vatican is not technically a part of Italy though

Lollipops23 · 06-03-2015 3:55pm

I thought they'd technically done away with calling it the Angelus, and it was now a "moment for reflection"? When I was a kid it was always accompanied with some holy picture, now it's random people pausing whatever they're doing and looking into the middle distance for a few seconds.

Equally weird, it certainly has no place in Ireland today. It's really no different to the Muslim call to prayer. For all our talk, Ireland has many vestiges of a nation ruled just as harshly as Sharia law.

Rabid Merlot · 06-03-2015 4:08pm

conorh91 wrote: »

So you say that Shane Coleman said that Leo Varadkar said that Frances FitzGerald said something.

I'll believe it when I see it.

You know the weeks before the summer recess would be the perfect time to enact this.
It's not anywhere near Good Friday for a start, the gay marriage referendum will have been done so it won't get dragged into the debate of undermining Christianity, it will be lost behind minimum pricing & restricted opening times, plus the politicians are then off for weeks so don't have to answer any tough questions.
I can almost see their plan hatching.

06-03-2015 4:15pm

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Equally weird, it certainly has no place in Ireland today.

Of course it has a place in Ireland today, Ireland being a country where the majority of the population are catholic.

mister gullible · 06-03-2015 4:27pm

Bong... people mowing the grass....bong....young ones colouring angels....bong..... baldy babies heads....bong....

I wish they'd give a rest. It would flippin drive you to religion :rolleyes:

K4t · 06-03-2015 4:28pm

Sebastian Famous Ram wrote: »

Of course it has a place in Ireland today, Ireland being a country where the majority of the population are catholic.

You really don't get it, do you? If 99.999% of the Irish population was classified as Catholic, it still would not be right for the state to broadcast the Angelus.

MRnotlob606 · 06-03-2015 4:33pm

K4t wrote: »

Lol..Militant atheists would be campaigning for a minute of screen time showing Stephen Fry reading God Is Not Great or The God Delusion before the news. You really have no clue about the idea of freedom of religion or secularism. But hey, the angelus does no harm and it's a tradition, so let's not discuss it ever, and instead accuse anyone who thinks it should be removed as being part of some anti-catholic brigade or militant atheists!

What difference will it make ? absolutely none. It's just being pedantic that is all. It makes no sense in removing it.

AlanS181824 · 06-03-2015 4:36pm

I remember being in my Nanny and Granddad's house when I was younger and hearing this come on and just remembering how silent ye had to be.

It's more of a tradition at this stage so I believe it should be kept.

Then again I don't really care either way to be quite honest.

K4t · 06-03-2015 4:38pm

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

What difference will it make ? absolutely none. It's just being pedantic that is all. It makes no sense in removing it.

Reasons for keeping it: It does no harm, it's tradition, Ireland is a catholic country.

Reasons for removing it: Freedom of religion, Secularism, Separation of Church and State.

Tell me again why it would be better to keep it when you consider the arguments for and against it?

Eutow · 06-03-2015 4:39pm

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

What's wrong with it ?. Militant atheists getting worked up over something trivial.

Trivial, until somebody decided to remove it?

I am sure that one of the posters that thanked your comment would not find it so trivial if it was removed.

06-03-2015 4:39pm

K4t wrote: »

You really don't get it, do you? If 99.999% of the Irish population was classified as Catholic, it still would not be right for the state to broadcast the Angelus.

I do get your opinion, I just totally disagree with it and think the state tv channel should broadcast the angelus in a country where the population is mostly catholic and are happy to have it. If you don't like it, tough.

K4t wrote: »

Tell me again why it would be better to keep it when you consider the arguments for and against it?

If you don't want separation of church and state and want the country to remain a catholic country.

Augmerson · 06-03-2015 4:41pm

What I like about the Angelus is it's non-denominational. It's a time to reflect or pray and you can be Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh or Buddhist.

K4t · 06-03-2015 4:53pm

Sebastian Famous Ram wrote: »

I do get your opinion, I just totally disagree with it and think the state tv channel should broadcast the angelus in a country where the population is mostly catholic and are happy to have it. If you don't like it, tough.

If you don't want separation of church and state and want the country to remain a catholic country.

Says it all really. You wouldn't mind Catholic doctrine dictating the laws of the country and public policy. Frightening.

Jamsiek · 06-03-2015 5:04pm

Sebastian Famous Ram wrote: »

If you don't want separation of church and state and want the country to remain a catholic country.

So you don't want separation of church and state, would you like religious laws to be imposed on the people? Just asking

shruikan2553 · 06-03-2015 5:07pm

K4t wrote: »

Says it all really. You wouldn't mind Catholic doctrine dictating the laws of the country and public policy. Frightening.

Jamsiek wrote: »

So you don't want separation of church and state, would you like religious laws to be imposed on the people? Just asking

Grab the popcorn. You are about to witness views that make sharia law blush.

conorh91 · 06-03-2015 5:13pm

Rabid Merlot wrote: »

You know the weeks before the summer recess would be the perfect time to enact this… I can almost see their plan hatching.

I'm not sure there's a bad time to enact it. But if you are familiar with the legislative process, it should be clear that the Government don't bring legislation to the Houses of Oireachtas without it having been inserted in the legislative agenda, without warning, or without a green paper, or without the heads of a bill, except for reasons of commercial sensitivity or grave national importance.

The claim that a bill is currently being drafted is not reliable or well-founded. I think you misheard Shane Coleman on George Hook's show reporting the words of Leo Varadkar reporting the words of of Frances FitzGerald.

FiztGerald said she said she would consider a change in the licencing laws when asked by the Vintners' Federation.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/tourism-minister-rejects-call-to-allow-pubs-to-open-on-good-friday-661831.html

Zen65 · 06-03-2015 5:14pm

Sebastian Famous Ram wrote: »

If you don't want separation of church and state and want the country to remain a catholic country.

As a matter of interest, do you not want separation of church and state?

Do you understand what that would mean in Ireland?

TwoShedsJackson · 06-03-2015 5:35pm

Zen65 wrote: »

As a matter of interest, do you not want separation of church and state?

Do you understand what that would mean in Ireland?

Ask him about his opinions on drink driving if you really want a laugh.

06-03-2015 5:54pm

Jamsiek wrote: »

So you don't want separation of church and state, would you like religious laws to be imposed on the people? Just asking

There can be a balance, I think things are fine as they are now.

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Ask him about his opinions on drink driving if you really want a laugh.

Let the bull sh*t bottom of the barrel comments begin!

Ghost Buster · 06-03-2015 5:58pm

Sebastian Famous Ram wrote: »

Of course it has a place in Ireland today, Ireland being a country where the majority of the population are catholic.

And yet engage in contraception, premarital sex and dont in many circumstances believe in central aspects of catholicism such as transubstantiation.
Wonderful catholics.

kylith · 06-03-2015 6:27pm

AlanS181824 wrote: »

I remember being in my Nanny and Granddad's house when I was younger and hearing this come on and just remembering how silent ye had to be.

It's more of a tradition at this stage so I believe it should be kept.

Then again I don't really care either way to be quite honest.

My Nanny always prayed during the Angelus. I think it was 'The angel of the lord appeared unto Mary and she conceived by the holy spirit'.

AlanS181824 · 06-03-2015 6:30pm

kylith wrote: »

My Nanny always prayed during the Angelus. I think it was 'The angel of the lord appeared unto Mary and she conceived by the holy spirit'.

I don't remember my grandparents praying during it but if I darenth say a word I'd be shushed as quick as anything.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 06-03-2015 6:46pm

The country is 84% catholic. The angelus brings great joy to many people. The only people who oppose it are generally angry militant atheists. The type of people who just enjoy being confrontational and awkward.

Ghost Buster · 06-03-2015 6:49pm

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

The country is 84% catholic. The angelus brings great joy to many people. The only people who oppose it are generally angry militant atheists. The type of people who just enjoy being confrontational and awkward.

101% of cranky generalisations have been shown to be generally full of ****.

Eutow · 06-03-2015 6:51pm

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

The country is 84% catholic. The angelus brings great joy to many people. The only people who oppose it are generally angry militant atheists. The type of people who just enjoy being confrontational and awkward.

What's a militant atheist?

Generally, the only people that oppose the abolishing of the angelus are generally angry, sex starved Catholics..........

The Angelus on RTE

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