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Why is tipping not part of irish culture ?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Did anyone else see the thread title and think the OP was talkong about cow tipping?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    FunLover18 wrote: »
    Did anyone else see the thread title and think the OP was talkong about cow tipping?

    I never get tips for cows, but do sometimes for horses.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Flem31 wrote: »
    I don't see anything wrong with sharing the tips out to all members off staff who contributed to the whole process. The front of house staff didn't cook the food and weren't in a few hours before the restaurant opened to get the food prepped.

    Having seen it when Kitchen staff get annoyed with the non sharing of tips, the safest option is to make the whole process democratic.

    In my experience Kitchen porters receive a very small portion of the overall split.
    Where I used to work tips were shared but we front staff lost a load of tips because of the small food portions and high price, used to piss us off a lot that we had to share.

    Also as a barman, people who tipped would tend to get served before people who I knew wouldn't when things got busy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 720 ✭✭✭FrStone


    wnolan1992 wrote: »
    When I order food and they say "That'll be 40 minutes." but then food arrives in 20, I'll give a few quid extra as a thanks for the good service. I wouldn't tip if the food was just on time though, they're being paid to do a job.

    I used work as a delivery driver before, generally doing a 7 hour shift you got a flat rate of €50 and then €1 per delivery. Customers weren't charged for delivery. Basically the job only paid because of the the tips. About 80% of people tipped. I know others would add a euro or two onto the price if they knew the person wasn't going to tip. Those who didn't get tipped often would get their food delivered after others rather than as soon as possible.

    I don't agree with the US style at all. I'll tip in the restaurant if the service has been good. The binmen and the postman always get a tip at Christmas or a bottle of Whiskey, before the drink driving the postman would come in to each house for a drop of Whiskey on his last round before Christmas.

    If my car has to be owed or something like that, I'll tip the driver.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,281 ✭✭✭naughtysmurf


    20+ years ago, waitresses I worked with in a restaurant in Cape Cod would pull in $75 - $100 per shift if on the 4pm to 10pm dinner shift, less if doing the breakfast / lunch time, they would have to tip out 10 or 15% (cant recall) to the bus boys / girls at the end of the shift so I think $1000 in tips a week in 2015 is doable in a busy place that gets them in, feeds them & gets them out, needn't be too fancy or expensive either

    More often now also, especially in more tourist areas like NYC & Orlando, your bill will come with the suggested tip worked out for you showing a $ value for 15 / 18 & 20%, think this was to assist all the europeans who had to get their phones out to calculate it lol

    You tip on the pre tax amount on the bill too not the bill total,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Hollister11


    FrStone wrote: »
    I used work as a delivery driver before, generally doing a 7 hour shift you got a flat rate of €50 and then €1 per delivery. Customers weren't charged for delivery. Basically the job only paid because of the the tips. About 80% of people tipped. I know others would add a euro or two onto the price if they knew the person wasn't going to tip. Those who didn't get tipped often would get their food delivered after others rather than as soon as possible.

    I don't agree with the US style at all. I'll tip in the restaurant if the service has been good. The binmen and the postman always get a tip at Christmas or a bottle of Whiskey, before the drink driving the postman would come in to each house for a drop of Whiskey on his last round before Christmas.

    If my car has to be owed or something like that, I'll tip the driver.

    So you would deliver someone's food cold ?
    I don't tip delivery services as we pay a €2 delivery charge. But if my food was delivered cold I wouldn't order from there again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    Why do we not have a culture of tipping in Ireland ?
    In places like the states your expected to tip for everything like services in restaurants, cafes, hotels ect.

    My uncle was in New York recently and didn't leave a tip. So the manager followed him out and aggressively demanded to know why he didn't tip.

    I have a cousin who is a waiter in the states and earns $1000+ per week because of all the extra money he makes in tips.

    So why don't we tip like the states.

    My tip, this thread is way too soon after the last tipping thread and should be binned


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    You tip on the pre tax amount on the bill too not the bill total,

    Who decides these things?! :) There's so many conventions, expected societal norms of when and how much relating to it... I'm too old to learn it all at this stage, I'll never be able to integrate in the US :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale



    So why don't we tip like the states.

    Because here employers pay their staff's wages, and don't rely on the blackmail of customers to pay what they themselves morally owe. The tipping culture in the USA is a cynical, abusive exploitation of both the customer and the employee who in most cases is on a below subsistence wage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭ALiasEX


    Good service = I am likely to use the service again.
    Bad service = I am not likely to use the service again.

    No tips.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 720 ✭✭✭FrStone


    So you would deliver someone's food cold ?
    I don't tip delivery services as we pay a €2 delivery charge. But if my food was delivered cold I wouldn't order from there again.

    Well basically I'd be in no rush to deliver to you if you were renowned as someone who doesn't tip. If it comes cold, I wouldn't be too concerned. If it was ordered at a quiet time, you wouldn't notice it as it would come hot. If it was busy I'd push you back out a bit.

    I don't own the fast food place, I only deliver so I'd prefer not to deliver to those who don't tip. I gave it up in the end as it was more hassle than it was worth (even for a job while in college).


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,344 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    FrStone wrote: »
    Well basically I'd be in no rush to deliver to you if you were renowned as someone who doesn't tip. If it comes cold, I wouldn't be too concerned. If it was ordered at a quiet time, you wouldn't notice it as it would come hot. If it was busy I'd push you back out a bit.

    I don't own the fast food place, I only deliver so I'd prefer not to deliver to those who don't tip. I gave it up in the end as it was more hassle than it was worth (even for a job while in college).

    Why should someone be expected to tip if they're being hit with a delivery charge as well? One place near me charges €3.50 per delivery, which is taking the p*ss and I'm certainly not going to want to add a tip on top of that. If there's no delivery charge then obviously I'll tip, but I can't think of anywhere near me that doesn't have a delivery charge now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Hollister11


    FrStone wrote: »
    Well basically I'd be in no rush to deliver to you if you were renowned as someone who doesn't tip. If it comes cold, I wouldn't be too concerned. If it was ordered at a quiet time, you wouldn't notice it as it would come hot. If it was busy I'd push you back out a bit.

    I don't own the fast food place, I only deliver so I'd prefer not to deliver to those who don't tip. I gave it up in the end as it was more hassle than it was worth (even for a job while in college).

    But as an employee of the fast food restaurant, you should be concerned about the businesses reputation. If people stop ordering from the restraunt because of slow deliveries and cold food, the business will be less profitable and you will be out of a job.
    I tip if my bill would be say €29.70 i would give 30 just to make life easier, but if my bill was €26 i wouldn't be inclined to give a tip as i just payed €24 for food /= €2 delivery charge. Should i be expected to pay another 1/2 euro ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 944 ✭✭✭BetterThanThou


    Usually for me, if it's average service, I'll tell them to keep the change if there is any(or say, the change is €12, I'll just tell them to give me a 10. Good service would be a 2 or 3 euro tip whether it was change or not. Excellent service would be the same, but every now and then, if I frequent a place and always get great service, I'll throw them a large tip, I tipped a bartender 50 euro on a 5 euro pint a few weeks ago, though, it was in my favourite bar that has decent prices for the location and incredible service. Though, if service is bad, I'll make a point not to tell them to keep the change even if it's convenient to me, I once waited for a few minutes while a delivery driver who took about triple the time he was supposed to found 20 cent in his car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Flem31


    FrStone wrote: »
    Well basically I'd be in no rush to deliver to you if you were renowned as someone who doesn't tip. If it comes cold, I wouldn't be too concerned. If it was ordered at a quiet time, you wouldn't notice it as it would come hot. If it was busy I'd push you back out a bit.

    I don't own the fast food place, I only deliver so I'd prefer not to deliver to those who don't tip. I gave it up in the end as it was more hassle than it was worth (even for a job while in college).

    Don't know why we need middlemen who only deliver the food hot if bribed.
    I go to the outlet itself and collect....saves this hassle re delivery charge plus extra delivery charge if I want it edible


  • Registered Users Posts: 720 ✭✭✭FrStone


    Zaph wrote: »
    Why should someone be expected to tip if they're being hit with a delivery charge as well? One place near me charges €3.50 per delivery, which is taking the p*ss and I'm certainly not going to want to add a tip on top of that. If there's no delivery charge then obviously I'll tip, but I can't think of anywhere near me that doesn't have a delivery charge now.

    Well where I used work there is no delivery charge (once your order is over a tenner). Anywhere around me too delivery is free within 3 miles, maybe it's a rural thing to have free delivery.
    But as an employee of the fast food restaurant, you should be concerned about the businesses reputation. If people stop ordering from the restraunt because of slow deliveries and cold food, the business will be less profitable and you will be out of a job.

    Ara it's not as straight cut as that. 80% tip so I try my best for them. If you don't tip, I probably break even on my delivery to you (factor in petrol and wear and tear), therefore I don't want you as a customer so I'd prefer you go elsewhere. Also delivery drivers will never be out of a job, the jobs are ten a penny. They are constantly being advertised because no one wants to take them.

    I used have one customer who wass about 5 miles away up a very rural boreen that was quite difficult to find if you didn't know where it was exactly. However that person would always tip very generously so I would fly out to them to make sure they got their food as quick as possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭PLL


    As my boyfriend is a chef, you can't imagine how infuriating the waiting staff who expect a tip are. How badly trained and how poor the service they give compared to their UK/US counterparts. Meanwhile my boyfriend gets nothing for working 12 hour shifts preparing and cooking this food. But the waiting staff carrying it from the kitchen to the table is the real torture :rolleyes:

    Not very often is being a waiter/waitress a career choice. It is either an entry level job to make a bit of money or something students do. However there are a few that take it very seriously and do it very well, and they work with the chefs not against them and make the whole service a pleasure. They are noticeable straightaway and we give them a huge tip because we know they aren't just in it for the money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,448 ✭✭✭✭joes girls


    I always tip, if I get good service, if I don't then I dont!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    So you would deliver someone's food cold ?
    I don't tip delivery services as we pay a €2 delivery charge. But if my food was delivered cold I wouldn't order from there again.
    Assuming its busy who are you going to make sure gets the hottest food, the guy who will tip you or the guy who wont? I don't think it's a case of holding the food to ransom


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    I always give a tip.

    Just the tip.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,835 ✭✭✭✭cloud493


    I'm not tipping for bad service. They can sod off, frankly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Jester252


    Tipping in the USA is stupid. You're expected to tip, regardless of the services, for ever little thing. If you don't tip than they see you as the bad person.

    It's the same old excuse, they need tips to make a living wage. If Americans cared so much about their servers that why not demand that owners of food outlets/services outlets pay their staff a living wage?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    FrStone wrote: »
    Well basically I'd be in no rush to deliver to you if you were renowned as someone who doesn't tip. If it comes cold, I wouldn't be too concerned. If it was ordered at a quiet time, you wouldn't notice it as it would come hot. If it was busy I'd push you back out a bit.

    I don't own the fast food place, I only deliver so I'd prefer not to deliver to those who don't tip. I gave it up in the end as it was more hassle than it was worth (even for a job while in college).

    And this is why I dont want tipping like in America. Tipping becomes the standard and you have to do it to get standard service.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    You forced front of house staff to pool tips with kitchen staff? I hope you're lying.

    Not really uncommon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭djerk


    People waiting on customers have to do all the ass-kissing and then deal with the complaints and abuse if something is wrong, so to me they should be getting all the tips rather than people who don't deal with customers at all.

    Makes perfect sense really. Why do people go to a restaurant... to eat?? **** me not!! as a chef, i'll hand you a plate of ****e, see how many tips you'll get.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    I tipped a bartender 50 euro on a 5 euro pint a few weeks ago, though, it was in my favourite bar that has decent prices for the location and incredible service.

    :eek:

    I'd say the bar staff in your area love you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭Jhcx


    I find tipping an insult. Like sorry I'm not getting paid enough. Can you pay me my wages too.
    I dread when I go to America I'll be broke 5% on your purchase I'm not prepared to pay


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    IMO tipping has become quite common in Ireland for good service. In the USA, because waiting staff get paid so little in basic wages it is seen as essential to tip. Personally, I think tipping should be done for exceptional service, not basic service.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,512 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    In China they don't tip at all, ever unless you are in a tourist area with lots of Americans.

    True story:-
    I once left a tip in a restaurant in Guangzhou after a particularly tasty meal only for one of the staff to come running after me as I left the restaurant with a confused look on their face and handing me my tip back. My girlfriend at the time (Chinese) thought it was hilarious altogether.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭djerk


    Also I think a lot of people tip for the service from whoever looked after them so don't really realise it might go elsewhere which again is unfair if tips go to other people.

    You've obviously never worked in a restaurant:) you think its unfair for everyone to work 50hr weeks and still hold it together to give you a nice decent meal. If it wasn't for the kitchen porters you wouldn't have a clean plate...or fork or knife or glass etc. If it wasn't for the waitresses, you would not have been made to feel welcome. If it wasn't for the chefs.. you wouldnt have any food!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭irish_dave_83


    djerk wrote: »
    You've obviously never worked in a restaurant:) you think its unfair for everyone to work 50hr weeks and still hold it together to give you a nice decent meal. If it wasn't for the kitchen porters you wouldn't have a clean plate...or fork or knife or glass etc. If it wasn't for the waitresses, you would not have been made to feel welcome. If it wasn't for the chefs.. you wouldnt have any food!


    I've worked in a restaurant for years when i was younger. The Waiters gave 20% of there tips for the runners(people who assist in bringing food over). The runners were on minimum wage the waiters got paid slightly more. Kitchen porters got paid slightly more than the witers(50c an hour). And of course the chefs got paid a lot more. I wouldnt neccessarily be in favour of the tips going to a chef, but that said I can understand why it woudl be pooled for them in some places.

    Generally when I tip, I do it for the overall service/experience, as lot of that comes from the waiting staff I would hope that they get to keep teh majority of the Tip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭byrneg28




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    Got a limo from the airport to the hotel in Vegas last year. Gave him a 50% tip as there was about 7 of us there and he was complaining about it! knob.

    I wouldn't mind tipping in pubs if we had servers bring down pints. Much better than queueing for 10 minutes and getting skipped and pushing your way through a queue.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    djerk wrote: »
    You've obviously never worked in a restaurant:) you think its unfair for everyone to work 50hr weeks and still hold it together to give you a nice decent meal. If it wasn't for the kitchen porters you wouldn't have a clean plate...or fork or knife or glass etc. If it wasn't for the waitresses, you would not have been made to feel welcome. If it wasn't for the chefs.. you wouldnt have any food!

    I tip for excellent, friendly and prompt service that helps to add to the overall dining experience. Clean plates, cutlery and decent food is a given. I wouldn't enter the restaurant otherwise.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    I tip for excellent, friendly and prompt service that helps to add to the overall dining experience. Clean plates, cutlery and decent food is a given. I wouldn't enter the restaurant otherwise.

    I would also expect a decent level of service as well. I wouldn't enter the restaurant otherwise.

    I stopped going to one place because the first 2 times I went the service was really slow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    You forced front of house staff to pool tips with kitchen staff? I hope you're lying.
    I think front of house should have to pool with kitchen staff. After all the kitchen staff do the majority of the actual work, front of house generally just have to write stuff down correctly and not spill anything on guests.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    KungPao wrote: »
    I remember leaving a tip for a waiter in Brazil and the guy practically chased me out the door to give it back. He just didn't understand that it was a 'gift' for being really helpful and nice to deal with.
    Yeah, once tipped a girl in a small restaurant in a small town in Oz, and she promptly said "Are you sure? You could buy 2 beers with that!". She was the most exceptionally blunt waitress I ever met, to the point of outright rude and didn't have a notion about etiquette, but for pure comedy value she was worth her weight in gold! Food was fab though.
    kylith wrote: »
    I think front of house should have to pool with kitchen staff. After all the kitchen staff do the majority of the actual work, front of house generally just have to write stuff down correctly and not spill anything on guests.

    I agree with pooling it all between all the staff, but disagree about front of house staff doing less work. Was a waitress for years and it's some training into dealing with a*seholes. I've been grabbed by the wrist, shouted at (about the quality of the food!), goosed and regularly treated like the personal property of the lovely folk that you have to keep smiling at, regardless. Then, depending on the personality of the Chef, you get it in the neck in the kitchen too! Also, a busy station takes a whole lot of thinking ahead - not compared to the kitchen staff, true, but it's not a walk in the park.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    My uncle was in New York recently and didn't leave a tip. So the manager followed him out and aggressively demanded to know why he didn't tip.

    This isn't right. Your uncle should have asked the manager why he doesn't pay his staff a living wage.

    And tipping is very common in Ireland, in restaurants at least.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    MadsL wrote: »
    You've never been to hairdresser in Ireland then?

    I don't tip hairdressers. It's not something everyone does.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    Tipping is common in Ireland but it is nearly reserved for restaurants and car-washes.

    If tipping is mandatory, it is not tipping, is it?

    A person has to be bad at their job, or just not care, for me not to give some few bob as a tip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,321 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Definitely prefer Irelands tipping culture to USA's. In america it's just to hard to work out who to tip and how much. Leaving a car park in USA before, cost $10. Gave the attendant a $20 note and he gave me one $5 and five $1's. Are you supposed to tip car park attendants??
    Same with going to a hotel. You can carry a small back pack and someone will try and take it to your room. I always refuse cos it's completely unnessassary and I've no idea how much to tip.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Definitely prefer Irelands tipping culture to USA's. In america it's just to hard to work out who to tip and how much. Leaving a car park in USA before, cost $10. Gave the attendant a $20 note and he gave me one $5 and five $1's. Are you supposed to tip car park attendants??
    Same with going to a hotel. You can carry a small back pack and someone will try and take it to your room. I always refuse cos it's completely unnessassary and I've no idea how much to tip.

    Divide everything by 5. That's how much of a tip you should leave if service is good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭Duck Soup


    Why do we not have a culture of tipping in Ireland ?
    In places like the states your expected to tip for everything like services in restaurants, cafes, hotels ect.

    My uncle was in New York recently and didn't leave a tip. So the manager followed him out and aggressively demanded to know why he didn't tip.

    I have a cousin who is a waiter in the states and earns $1000+ per week because of all the extra money he makes in tips.

    So why don't we tip like the states.

    The minimum wage in ireland for an adult worker is €8.65 per hour.

    The minimum wage for a tipped employee in Delaware is $2.23 per hour.

    That is why Americans tip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    darced wrote: »
    Exactly,the fact the person I tipped may not actually get to keep the money makes me think twice about tipping at all.

    Where the employer advertises a price and then keeps the tip on top they are guilty of misrepresentation of the price. Talk to your lawyer, or to the relevant govt dept's inspector.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    FrStone wrote: »
    Well basically I'd be in no rush to deliver to you if you were renowned as someone who doesn't tip. If it comes cold, I wouldn't be too concerned. If it was ordered at a quiet time, you wouldn't notice it as it would come hot. If it was
    I wouldn't give someone with your attitude to tipping a job cleaning toilets.
    busy I'd push you back out a bit.

    I don't own the fast food place, I only deliver so I'd prefer not to deliver to those who don't tip. I gave it up in the end as it was more hassle than it was worth (even for a job while in college).
    People on the receiving end of tips need to understand that a tip is gratuitous, not a legal obligation. Be grateful for the tips you get, not resentful of those who don't tip. By all means go above and beyond the call of duty next time you serve the person who gave the generous tip. You have no right to penalise those who don't tip.
    In the interests of my business I wouldn't give someone with your attitude to tipping a job cleaning toilets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    feargale wrote: »
    People on the receiving end of tips need to understand that a tip is gratuitous, not a legal obligation. Be grateful for the tips you get, not resentful of those who don't tip. By all means go above and beyond the call of duty next time you serve the person who gave the generous tip. You have no right to penalise those who don't tip.
    In the interests of my business I wouldn't give someone with your attitude to tipping a job cleaning toilets.

    To be fair, when delivering food if you're going to go above and beyond for one, you're inadvertently going to penalise another.

    If a delivery driver puts a good tipper's order to front of the queue when they set out, the person who they've bumped down the list to help out the generous tipper is penalised. Chances are the person who doesn't tip won't notice any difference, but the tipper will get their food that bit quicker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    MadsL wrote: »
    It's kind of a win for customers too...

    How much is a pint these days? 4-5 Euro? Cheaper in the US, even when tipping a dollar per pint $3+1 to $4+1 would be average.

    Not in New York it isn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Triboro wrote: »
    Most American bars give a free drink after every 2-3 drinks so it kinda balances out with the tipping.
    I have lived there for 2 years on and off, have been on 2 road trips across the states east west, one north south, and have never seen that!
    Where were you drinking, I need to go there!

    Yep. It's called a "buy back", or at least it used to be.

    Happened more in the old days, than it does now.

    First time I was in the US, I was very surprised at how much free booze we got on nights out.


    *edit* I see this has already been explained. Dayum...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,748 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Can't understand this tipping culture at all.
    You pay the price you are charged and should pay nothing more unless you get exceptional service.
    You don't tip the postman for delivering your post or the milkman for delivering your milk so why tip someone for delivering your food?


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