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Shootings in Paris - Multiple fatalities.

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    #422
    bear1
    Registered Users Posts: 12,812 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Paul_Hacket wrote: »
    I'm not blaming "victims". The people who did this were murderous assholes, however what do you expect people who have been continuous victims of Western aggression to do?

    The magazine in question was a staunch supporter of Israel and its policies, policies which have been responsible for the death of thousands of innocent civlians in recent years, the majority women and children. The editor routinely referred to Palestinians as "uncivilized". Does that mean he deserves to be killed? Absolutely not, however it puts him on the side of murderers and if you're on the side of the people who are actuallly being murdered then what would you do?

    The pro-Israel lobby in the west has shut down any democratic route to a solution to this problem - look at their actions in the UN last week. So sorry, but we don't get to act all shocked and surprised when extremists do these things. Because we create these extremists by our own actions.

    Sorry for pointing out the fact that we can't expect to keep ****ting on the people of the Midddle East and not expet to get horrible blowback from time to time. Every single operational leader in the 9/11 attacks became radicalized because of US support for Israel's policies.

    Are you for real or is this a piss take?
    What side was that policeman on when he was shot dead?


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    #423
    whiskeyman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    the whole front page of every newspaper

    Yep.
    Heck, get everyone to wear t-shirts with it too.


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    #424
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    Every single media outlet in the Western World should publish / air the 'offending' material to show solidarity and make a point that these terrorists will not win.

    they would be too scared for that...that's how far the west has fallen...


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    #425
    jimboblep
    Registered Users Posts: 546 ✭✭✭jimboblep


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Nope, just pointing out that EVERY religion has a history.

    except thats history and this is the present
    so do we ignore this problem now and say sure didnt christians do it years ago
    or do we try to deal with it.


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    #426
    Amazingfun
    Registered Users Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭Amazingfun


    Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »
    I have never danced in the streets with happiness at the deaths of innocents. It is only the followers of Islam who partake in that pratice.

    In fairness-they are not the only ones ;)



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    #427
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    Every single media outlet in the Western World should publish / air the 'offending' material to show solidarity and make a point that these terrorists will not win.

    As long as the west keeps bombing the sh it out of the middle east there will be terrorists who will step forward. This will get worse before it get's better im afraid.


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    #428
    Gbear
    Registered Users Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »
    He is correct.

    Islam is the biggest threat to the safety of Europe.

    If it wasn't that it'd be something else.

    Islamic extremism will die when it's adherents aren't mostly illiterate peasants.

    The theocracies and extremism can't coexist with education, wealth, secularism and humanism.

    If Muslims can be properly assimilated they won't be any trouble, but that'll probably just equate to not being recognisably Muslim.


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    #429
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    VinLieger wrote: »
    This is it though they don't want to integrate, they want control and to be in charge and if we dont do something now our children or our childrens children will be living in a muslim controled europe. The average muslim family birthrate is something like 3 times higher than the average european families, they will outnumber us in our own countries a lot sooner than the PC brigade will ever acknowledge

    *sigh


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    #430
    Cyclingtourist
    Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Time to repeal Ireland's 2009 Blasphemy law.

    I lobbied against it at the time and afterwards for its repeal but got nowhere. Still incredible that the last government found legislative time for this embarrassing and anti-free speech piece crap and especially in the midst of a the worst financial crisis the country has ever seen.


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    #431
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    I said the defenders of islamic murderers would blame Israel I'm not disapointed.


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    #432
    Paul_Hacket
    Registered Users Posts: 359 ✭✭Paul_Hacket


    kstand wrote: »
    So Hizbollah and Hamas had nothing to do with Israeli policy, they just did things off a whim?

    Hizbollah and Hamas did not exist until Israeli Zionists ethnically cleansed the Palestinians from their homeland and then used the full might of US supplied battlefield weaponry to bomb them into submission.


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    #433
    The Bould Rabbit
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 423 ✭✭The Bould Rabbit


    ireland.man wrote: »
    Remember too that this event in paris will have to happen 50,000 times more to equal the lower estimates of the number of Muslims killed since 2001 by western countries. If we want to avoid sickening terrorist incidents like this, we need to examine what we're doing overseas. It's not happening in a vacuum.

    Recent history obviously not your strong point then.

    France (quite publically) declined to have anything to do with the US led invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Much to the chagrin on many in the USA who demanded that French Fries be renamed Freedom Fries and even suggesting that the Statue of Liberty be returned.


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    #434
    kstand
    Registered Users Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭kstand


    Gbear wrote: »
    If it wasn't that it'd be something else.

    Islamic extremism will die when it's adherents aren't mostly illiterate peasants.

    The theocracies and extremism can't coexist with education, wealth, secularism and humanism.

    If Muslims can be properly assimilated they won't be any trouble, but that'll probably just equate to not being recognisably Muslim.

    What a wonderfully Utopian view you have - completely unworkable unfortunately.


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    #435
    Calina
    Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    Amazingfun wrote: »
    Who said anyone "needed" it? It happened and the video was posted.

    Those of us that deal in reality could view it through that lens and not need therapy afterwards.

    Dude. If you read the post I quoted, you'll notice someone suggested it be made mandatory to watch it.

    Dealing in reality involves dealing with detail as well.


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    #436
    wretcheddomain
    Registered Users Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭wretcheddomain


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    As long as the west keeps bombing the sh it out of the middle east there will be terrorists who will step forward. This will get worse before it get's better im afraid.

    So foreign policy should be, in effect, determined by Muslims?


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    #437
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Nodin wrote: »
    *sigh

    Yeah can sigh all you want birthrate demographics don't lie


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    #438
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,838 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Paul_Hacket wrote: »
    I'm not blaming "victims". The people who did this were murderous assholes, however what do you expect people who have been continuous victims of Western aggression to do?

    The magazine in question was a staunch supporter of Israel and its policies, policies which have been responsible for the death of thousands of innocent civlians in recent years, the majority women and children. The editor routinely referred to Palestinians as "uncivilized". Does that mean he deserves to be killed? Absolutely not, however it puts him on the side of murderers and if you're on the side of the people who are actuallly being murdered then what would you do?

    The pro-Israel lobby in the west has shut down any democratic route to a solution to this problem - look at their actions in the UN last week. So sorry, but we don't get to act all shocked and surprised when extremists do these things. Because we create these extremists by our own actions.

    Sorry for pointing out the fact that we can't expect to keep ****ting on the people of the Midddle East and not expet to get horrible blowback from time to time. Every single operational leader in the 9/11 attacks became radicalized because of US support for Israel's policies.

    FOAD you bleeeep.


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    #439
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,730 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Hopefully the murderers are caught quickly and in a safe manner for the police/army or whoever is involved.

    There has been a rise in attacks and incidents in France and elsewhere in Europe.

    People should act in a manner that doesn't cause unneeded aggravation, there are enough extremists out thee to put one's life in severe danger.
    This is not censorship just common sense.

    What happened today is going to become more common as extremism is on the rise.


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    #440
    ireland.man
    Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    The Bould Rabbit wrote: »
    Recent history obviously not your strong point then.

    France (quite publically) declined to have anything to do with the US led invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Much to the chagrin on many in the USA who demanded that French Fries be renamed Freedom Fries and even suggesting that the Statue of Liberty be returned.

    So you think I'm wrong about having invaded a predominantly islamic region in the last few years?


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    #441
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    "Western" involvement is interference
    Muslims won't acknowledge there is a problem


    Stalemate


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    #442
    kstand
    Registered Users Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭kstand


    Paul_Hacket wrote: »
    Hizbollah and Hamas did not exist until Israeli Zionists ethnically cleansed the Palestinians from their homeland and then used the full might of US supplied battlefield weaponry to bomb them into submission.

    I'm not denying that - but in recent years there has been a softening of the Israeli stance but Hizbolah and Hamas will not deal with them in any way. I know the Zionists are as big as problem as anything else we face - but there is never any justification for the execution of innocent people.


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    #443
    Grand Moff Tarkin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Grand Moff Tarkin


    Nodin wrote: »
    A bad idea, as now we'll have to see evidence of your notion. 6 hours should be enough.

    It is in the hands of Allah now.


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    #444
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    This is actually a total disaster for normal French Muslims and minority groups in general in France.

    These psychopaths have now potentially catapulted Marie Le Pen into the Elysée Palace.
    There are already serious issues in France and this is just going to make matters much, much worse.


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    #445
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Gbear wrote: »
    If it wasn't that it'd be something else.

    Islamic extremism will die when it's adherents aren't mostly illiterate peasants.

    The theocracies and extremism can't coexist with education, wealth, secularism and humanism.

    If Muslims can be properly assimilated they won't be any trouble, but that'll probably just equate to not being recognisably Muslim.

    and yet most of the leaders of islamic terrorist groups are millionaires with excellent educations

    there are thousands of muslims from Europe fighting in syria and iraq with ISIS, none of these people are illiterate peasants


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    #446
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    And in mosques across europe preachers will spew hatred and vile and celebrate this Atrocity against western society and Western freedoms while demaning the west supports them with social welfare entitlement and housing while hiding behind the skirts of the do-gooders and the European court of human rights
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    #447
    Paul_Hacket
    Registered Users Posts: 359 ✭✭Paul_Hacket


    bear1 wrote: »
    Are you for real or is this a piss take?
    What side was that policeman on when he was shot dead?

    Looks like you rather massively missed the point. Do you really think we can follow policies which are responsible for the deaths of literally millions in the Middle East for absolutely no good reason and then not expect the occasional extremist to react in a horrific manner? Grow up.


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    #448
    Calina
    Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    ambro25 wrote: »
    Not seen that yet...Are Cabu and Wolinksi really amongst the dead? :(

    Yes, along with Charb, Tignous, apparently. Charb's last cartoon which you can find on twitter is sobering. Word is one of the police officers who died was detailed with protecting Charb.


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    #449
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Hande hoche! wrote: »
    Wasn't there a case recently involving an attack on a Jewish museum involving a Kalashnikov armed man, who then fled?

    Yes, there are similarities there all right - used Kalashnikov, covered his head with a baseball cap and didn't blow himself up.

    However, he was acting alone and fled on foot. The suspect is supposed to have been an ISIS volunteer in Syria (he is awaiting trial) - maybe these guys have that kind of background as well?


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    #450
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    I said the defenders of islamic murderers would blame Israel I'm not disapointed.

    I'm surprised its taken them this long.


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    #451
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Gatling wrote: »
    And in mosques across europe preachers will spew hatred and vile and celebrate this Atrocity against western society and Western freedoms while demaning the west supports them with social welfare entitlement and housing while hiding behind the skirts of the do-gooders and the European court of human rights
    And as you can see in this thread. People will blindly support them until they are on chopping block and realise maybe these people aren't very nice.


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