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Travellers jailed for attacking Gardai

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    #392
    Frigga_92
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭Frigga_92


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Your suggestion was that all travellers fight, steal and scam. This clearly is not true.

    He actually said "certain members", not "all".


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    #393
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    You mean like David Joyce, Barrister or Shayne Ward, Singer or Padraig McLochlainn TD or John Joe Nevin, Boxer or Rosaleen McDonagh, Playright?

    And the 80% or so that are unemployed?


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    #394
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,024 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    And the 80% or so that are unemployed?

    What? Unemployed people contribute nothing to society?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #395
    demanufactured
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Your suggestion was that all travellers fight, steal and scam. This clearly is not true.

    Incorrect.


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    #396
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    What? Unemployed people contribute nothing to society?

    So pray tell, what exactly do the 80%+ of unemployed travellers contribute to society?


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    #397
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    So pray tell, what exactly do the 80%+ of unemployed travellers contribute to society?

    They are threads in the colourful tapestry of our multi-cultural society? :p


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    #398
    irishmover
    Registered Users Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭irishmover


    end of the road wrote: »
    you won't. you decided to run an establishment selling a mind aultering substance.

    Having seen first hand what a traveller group can do to a pub after a communion I can assure you that just because its a 'mind altering substance' they are selling does not mean they are open for total destruction, being outrun, family threatened and all regular customers booted out.

    Youre acting like people in modern society do this to pubs every weekend?

    If you owned a pub and you left your doors open for a congregation of travellers your tune would change very quickly.


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    #399
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    jimboblep wrote: »
    You said earlier in this thread that you would agree with the culling of people who dicriminate against travellers.
    i didn't

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #400
    jimboblep
    Registered Users Posts: 546 ✭✭✭jimboblep


    end of the road wrote: »
    i didn't

    I already put up the quote where you said you would agree with the sterilisation of people who discriminate against travellers.


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    #401
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    irishmover wrote: »
    Having seen first hand what a traveller group can do to a pub after a communion I can assure you that just because its a 'mind altering substance' they are selling does not mean they are open for total destruction, being outrun, family threatened and all regular customers booted out.

    Youre acting like people in modern society do this to pubs every weekend?

    If you owned a pub and you left your doors open for a congregation of travellers your tune would change very quickly.
    it wouldn't. the minute i'd open my door i'd be taking a risk the minute someone comes in. thats the nature of the game being a publican. don't like it get out of the game, otherwise serve whatever custom you get and stop crying poor mouth

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #402
    dd972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭dd972


    The phenomenon of Travellers as a constant recurring topic of conversation can get a bit much at times, I think it's a combination of the media and their role as folk devils in Irish society.

    I say this as someone who's constantly on the receiving end of hostile comments in public places because I'm deemed to have ''a Travellers face'', I'm of landed farming stock on both sides and have a surname that's nowhere to be found in the Traveller community and don't know any Travellers, but I because of this I can empathise with the ones who complain about not being served in pubs or shops when they've no malevolent intentions.


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    #403
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    end of the road wrote: »
    it wouldn't. the minute i'd open my door i'd be taking a risk the minute someone comes in. thats the nature of the game being a publican. don't like it get out of the game, otherwise serve whatever custom you get and stop crying poor mouth

    Places with bouncers turn away people all the time. They filter out people they think might cause trouble.


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    #404
    irishmover
    Registered Users Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭irishmover


    end of the road wrote: »
    it wouldn't. the minute i'd open my door i'd be taking a risk the minute someone comes in. thats the nature of the game being a publican. don't like it get out of the game, otherwise serve whatever custom you get and stop crying poor mouth

    You don't seem to grasp risk management.

    1. General public are a low risk to a pub. Keep doors open and an issue will happen in isolation, usually easy for gardai to deal with as there is only a small group involved.

    2. Travellers are a high risk to a pub. Keep doors closed during events which have a large congregation of travellers in the area. Risk eliminated unless they break and enter.


    Scenario one means that if something does happen and the bar is damaged costs will be recoverable.

    Scenario two means that the only instance something will happen is via breaking and entering. Insurance will cover it.

    Finally, keep the doors open all the time. Maybe the first couple of traveller groups will be OK. But with it being a much higher risk allowing these people in then eventually the pub will be totally over run like what happened in Balbriggan a few years back.

    Read up about risk management and where travellers would lie in comparison to regular customers at a pub. If you find that the risks are equal then good job. Highly suspect you won't though


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    #405
    blueman02
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7 ✭blueman02


    forget about it irish mover,

    end of the road is a troll who just persists in what ever argument will be most obnoxious in an attempt to annoy people


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    #406
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Places with bouncers turn away people all the time. They filter out people they think might cause trouble.
    yup, bann them from doing it i say

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #407
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    irishmover wrote: »
    You don't seem to grasp risk management.

    1. General public are a low risk to a pub. Keep doors open and an issue will happen in isolation, usually easy for gardai to deal with as there is only a small group involved.

    2. Travellers are a high risk to a pub. Keep doors closed during events which have a large congregation of travellers in the area. Risk eliminated unless they break and enter.


    Scenario one means that if something does happen and the bar is damaged costs will be recoverable.

    Scenario two means that the only instance something will happen is via breaking and entering. Insurance will cover it.

    Finally, keep the doors open all the time. Maybe the first couple of traveller groups will be OK. But with it being a much higher risk allowing these people in then eventually the pub will be totally over run like what happened in Balbriggan a few years back.

    Read up about risk management and where travellers would lie in comparison to regular customers at a pub. If you find that the risks are equal then good job. Highly suspect you won't though
    you don't get to use risk management, serve whatever custom you get pay your taxes lower your prices and stop playing the poor publican

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #408
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    blueman02 wrote: »
    forget about it irish mover,

    end of the road is a troll who just persists in what ever argument will be most obnoxious in an attempt to annoy people
    i'm not. what you get from me is my opinion. you can take it or leave it its up to you, but i'm no troll

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #409
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    end of the road wrote: »
    you don't get to use risk management, serve whatever custom you get pay your taxes lower your prices and stop playing the poor publican

    hahahaha....businesses don't get to use risk management?

    remind me to never vote for you


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    #410
    irishmover
    Registered Users Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭irishmover


    blueman02 wrote: »
    forget about it irish mover,

    end of the road is a troll who just persists in what ever argument will be most obnoxious in an attempt to annoy people

    The person hasn't annoyed me whatsoever, I really just thought I was doing the person a service in correcting their poor understanding of basic risk and it's application for a Publican in this situation.

    Last post by this person seems to have proven they're either unable to accept that they are wrong, or infact they are directing their posts in a way to eventually annoy people like you said. Either way, I've made my point clear and that's all I'm really concerned about.


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    #411
    blueman02
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7 ✭blueman02


    ya its a shame some people just arent nice isnt it


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    #412
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    end of the road wrote: »
    yup, bann them from doing it i say

    What do we do about all the other businesses? You may have seen signs in shops saying "Managers have to right to refuse admission"


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    #413
    kingchess
    Registered Users Posts: 795 ✭✭✭kingchess


    They have certain little quirks of their own that are rather endearing,Like having sulky races on main roads through rush hour traffic,Rearranging furniture in Pubs etc and a casual attitude to ownership of property(if not nailed down).Their dedication to the collection of scrap is laudable ,Their attempt to tarmac private driveways Cheaply is to be applauded,;To know them is to love them,


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    #414
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    end of the road wrote: »
    you don't get to use risk management, serve whatever custom you get pay your taxes lower your prices and stop playing the poor publican

    Are you actually for real?


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    #415
    blueman02
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7 ✭blueman02


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Are you actually for real?

    aw come on now ?? really ??


    im just surprised that he can get wifi uder neath that bridge


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    #416
    Generic Dreadhead
    Registered Users Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Surprised to come back after the weekend and see this thread hasn't been shut down.

    Is it still the same 4 people, providing a blinkered defense for the Travelling community by writing one liners, where they attempt to pin people to the wall, even though they themselves have no 1st hand experience of Travellers or evidence to back up what they are saying? :confused:

    Yeah it looks like it is :pac:

    Wonder what wonderful insights the next 10 pages of the thread will bring us on the wholesomeness and value of the Travelling community.

    :rolleyes:


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    #417
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Cormac... wrote: »
    Surprised to come back after the weekend and see this thread hasn't been shut down.

    Is it still the same 4 people, providing a blinkered defense for the Travelling community by writing one liners, where they attempt to pin people to the wall, even though they themselves have no 1st hand experience of Travellers or evidence to back up what they are saying? :confused:

    Yeah it looks like it is :pac:

    Wonder what wonderful insights the next 10 pages of the thread will bring us on the wholesomeness and value of the Travelling community.

    :rolleyes:
    Cormac rhymes with Tarmac....coincidence?


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    #418
    Generic Dreadhead
    Registered Users Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Cormac rhymes with Tarmac....coincidence?

    Actually it doesn't the way I say it..... which is incorrectly.... had to make sure to distance myself from my nomadic roots didn't I boss hai


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    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Cormac... wrote: »
    Surprised to come back after the weekend and see this thread hasn't been shut down.

    Is it still the same 4 people, providing a blinkered defense for the Travelling community by writing one liners, where they attempt to pin people to the wall, even though they themselves have no 1st hand experience of Travellers or evidence to back up what they are saying?

    Yeah it looks like it is

    Wonder what wonderful insights the next 10 pages of the thread will bring us on the wholesomeness and value of the Travelling community.
    they have evidence, they have major experience of travelers. their view isn't blinkered

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #420
    kstand
    Registered Users Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭kstand


    end of the road wrote: »
    they have evidence, they have major experience of travelers. their view isn't blinkered

    "major experience" - i.e. watched 2 episodes of My Big fat gypsy Wedding.


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    #421
    Generic Dreadhead
    Registered Users Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    end of the road wrote: »
    they have evidence, they have major experience of travelers

    Who does? Do you? If so, what is it?

    Can you help with the list? It's really struggling :(

    It needs an unbiased, informed opinion on the merits of Travellers
    Cormac... wrote: »
    Let's make a list, as an informed group of intelligent adults of good experiences you've had with Travellers.

    Who will be 1st?

    1)


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